From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #475 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 475 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dinner Guests (NJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Dinner Guests (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Hejira ["Kate Bennett" ] Moon ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Moon ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Moon........NJC, ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Dream Dinner (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Dream Dinner (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] nick drake/dinner guest NJC [BarBearUh ] Re: Dinner and record polls [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: 8 dinner guests [Siresorrow@aol.com] Dinner party NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Covers [Jerry Notaro ] record poll NJC and new threads JC [Louis Lynch ] Eight Dinner Guests [Michael E Hawthorne ] Re: Covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Dream Dinner ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests [PFallo@aol.com] Re: record poll and new threads JC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hejira (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni & Rolling Stone [Steve Dulson ] Joni & Rolling Stone [Steve Dulson ] Re: record poll and new threads JC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: record poll and new threads NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise ["Peg Eves" ] hitler and jesus ["Wally Kairuz" ] Sometimes change comes at you. . . (NJC) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Lunar lyrics by Simpletons(NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric / ANYONE?exercise ["Peg Eves" ] Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) [Kenny Grant ] Re: Hejira [Scott Price ] For Ashara's collection of miracles [MDESTE1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:13:13 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Dinner Guests (NJC) I think it was just a joke based upon a lyric from Ms Mitchell's canon. Calm down. Willy the Shake is a good guy. Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:18:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests In a message dated 8/29/00 12:22:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: << Jesus Hitler Howard Hughes _____________________________ Joni l The Table l Willy the Shake __________is laden high_________ Charlie Chaplin Bergman Martha >> How could anyone want to invite that murderous liar Adolf Hitler to a civilized dinner party? What kind of a person are you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:56:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dinner Guests (NJC) Les Ross wrote: > I think it was just a joke based upon a lyric from Ms >Mitchell's canon. Calm down. Willy the Shake is a good guy. > << Jesus Hitler Howard Hughes _____________________________ Joni l The Table | Willy the Shake __________is laden high_________ Charlie Chaplin Bergman Martha This is an interesting seating arrangement. I see Willy is in the co-pilot seat with Joni. And I can't remember who Martha is? Martha Mitchell from the Nixon days? How about updating it to Martha Stewart? You get an impeccable dinner and table display with rare antique crystal and silver ashtrays for Joni, plus she might whip up a special dish for Adolph. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:22:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Hejira Kakki wrote, "On the other hand, Hejira leaves me with the feeling that she has rejected the flame, doused or abandoned it completely and prefers the coolness of the ice now. But that wasn't really her, not completely, not forever, as evidenced in much later albums." I see Heijira as a place she has to go for awhile--solitary & deep & into the shadow, to learn, to come to terms with her self & her life as the line in Amelia reveals: "Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitudes" ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:22:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Moon "And I suppose the logical question is...why is the moon such a significant and repeated lyric? Does it represent something we can see yet not grasp, like love itself? Yes this is a very astute statement, imo--as a lover of & writer about the Moon, I think it is the symbol of our emotions & maybe something touching on the mystical & magical. I agree with the statement that the moon is common in poetry & songs (as is love or heart or soul). I disagree with the statement that the word by itself is trite. It merely depends how you use the word. Read all of those lyrics from Joni. None are trite, all are quite unique, many profound. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:21:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Moon BTW JMDLers, Our own Kate's title track is "Over The Moon" . Hear a sample at http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html Locking up the sharp objects and handguns in anticipation of a long weekend, Lama - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: "Joni@Smoe. Org" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:22 AM Subject: Moon > I agree with the statement that the moon is common in poetry & songs (as is > love or heart or soul). I disagree with the statement that the word by > itself is trite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:23:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Moon........NJC, PS- Kate's dog is Luna! Sorry for the 'me too' content. Next time maybe I'll just go on and on about nothing, just to fill the space...... NOT! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:42:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Dream Dinner (NJC) In a message dated 8/30/00 3:09:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << franco nero ed harris patrick stewart alfred stieglitz [alive and in his 40's] ronald colman [alive and in his 40's] gerald mcraney ben kingsley warren mitchell [in his 50's] >> Wally, I think the thread was dream dinner, not dream orgy :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:53:43 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Dream Dinner (NJC) In a message dated 8/30/00 3:51:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Wally, I think the thread was dream dinner, not dream orgy :~) >> I was thinking that a snippet of conversation could go like this: "That's no fish stick! That's my libido!" MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:03:30 -0400 From: BarBearUh Subject: nick drake/dinner guest NJC delurking for some quick news... i know a lot of you are nick drake fans, and i just learned about this... NICK DRAKE DOCUMENTARY TO PREMIERE NEXT MONTH A forty-eight-minute film about the late songwriter NICK DRAKE is set to premiere at Amsterdam's Paradiso Club on Sept. 11, the twenty-sixth anniversary of Drake's death. Titled "A Skin Too Few: The Days of Nick Drake," the Jeroen Berkvens-directed film includes rare footage of Drake as well as interviews with his family and friends, including his sister Gabrielle and Joe Boyd, who produced all of Drake's albums. BETH ORTON will perform at the film's opening. ...and here are my dinner guests of the moment... john irving abraham lincoln vincent van gogh john cassavetes louis armstrong meryl streep albert einstein & a good friend to share the experience - -barbara np: russell mills, pearl + umbra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:15:27 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Dinner and record polls In a message dated 8/29/00 11:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stormydawnm@hotmail.com writes: << Menu: Homemade perogies, dumplings, grilled portibello mushrooms, sausage and kraut, french onion soup, and for desert tirimisu Stormy >> jesus! i don't know you stormy, but i like you. first, i loved that you took two threads and made them into one post. that's optimal. then, this dinner. i want to come and play guitar for you. i'll do 'stormy monday'. all i want in return are some home made perogies, a few dumplings, lots of portibellos, and sausage. and wine. i'll bring the friggin wine. and then we can throw darts at a picture of atkins! pat np. clapton. pretending. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:23:51 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests susan l.a. wrote...my eight guests would be.....then lists a shitload. i'm lol. there are no rules nor any box big enough to contain the thoughts of the ondulees. and i would personally love to see the lady princess di tear off a piece of camilla's ass. patrick np. clapton. she's waiting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:49:45 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Dinner party NJC Paul, I can't believe it, but I'm agreeing with you and enjoying your posts lately! I agree with you about Hitler. Why would he be invited when there are SO MANY positive people to learn from in the world? Also, there was a "Martha" at the table. If this is Martha Stewart, she wouldn't stand for Jesus and Hitler invited to the same party. Social error! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:53:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Covers > Kakki wrote: > , Bryan Thomas' Black Crow knocks me out. > A great performance of one of Joni's best songs. Most of you have enjoyed listening to Bryan and his band on recordings, but they are all a delight and even better live. > > > NP-Amelia-Barbara Gaskin/Dave Stewart (HI BoB!) A real treasure on the new covers cd. (Hi Bob!) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:53:43 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: record poll NJC and new threads JC I'll play! First record: 1. You owned: Shari Lewis, Swinging on a Star (yellow 78 rpm) 2. You bought: Iron Butterfly, In a Gadda Da Vida 3. Remembered that parents played: Louis Prima & Keely Smith, Jumping at Woodside 4. Cover art that struck me: Captain Beyond, Captain Beyond (holographic thing) 5. Played over & over: Beatles, Eleanor Rigby Eleanor Rigby Eleanor Rigby Eleanor Rigby YUCK DEPARTMENT: Last night a friend invited me over to pick through a big pile of vinyl records she inherited. One of them was Oliver's Good Morning Starshine. He covers Both Sides Now, so I had to listen. Without any hesitation, it went right into the yard sale pile. I vote it the worst cover of a Joni Mitchell song ever! NEW THREAD SUGGESTIONS: Have these been a thread yet? Worst cover of a Joni Mitchell song by another artist? Or worst (best?) cover graphic on a Joni Mitchell release? Or worst (best?) cover of another artist by Joni Mitchell? Worst cover of a Joni Mitchell song -- Oliver, Both Sides Now Worst cover graphic on a Joni album -- Song to a Seagull Best cover graphic on a Joni album -- Turbulent Indigo Worst cover of another artist's song by Joni -- 2-way tie: Cool Water (with Willie Nelson) and Trouble Man Best cover of another artist's song by Joni -- 3-way tie: Korinna Korinna, Why Do Fools Fall in Love, Comes Love Regards, Harper Lou PS: The PA Renaissance Faire is now in full swing, so sorry I haven't written for about 500 years. HL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:54:40 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: dream dinner WallyK wrote: >franco nero >ed harris >patrick stewart >alfred stieglitz [alive and in his 40's] >ronald colman [alive and in his 40's] >ben kingsley >warren mitchell [in his 50's] >i lay the table. >wallyk Well Wally, If Ed Harris was at a dinner like that, I'd have to flip you off into the leftover tupperware! (grin) ;-) (Evil Steve) Hugs... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:09:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael E Hawthorne Subject: Eight Dinner Guests 1 Joni 2 Toni Morrison 3 Jim Steranko 4 Joyce Carol Oates 5 Leonard Cohen 6 Margaret Atwood 7 Gerald deVillers 8 Maria Saputzakis (my colleague on campus-the spirit of Marie Curie lives on) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:29:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers <> That "Amelia" is indeed a gem - it was shared for the collection by Cassy, so thanks to her! Volume 9 is done, and I need 1 more song to finish off Volume 10. I was hoping to get that one done prior to Jonifest, but it looks like that's not gonna happen...so, after Jonifest, I'll have enough stuff to finish it off, then I'll be glad to make copies of 9 & 10 for everyone that's keeping the pace! If you'd like to see what's on Volumes 9 & 10 (thus far), check out the "Joni Undercover" section at JMDL.com...I'm trying to keep it up to date! Bob NP: Moby Grape, "Captain Nemo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:34:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Dream Dinner > franco nero > ed harris > patrick stewart > alfred stieglitz [alive and in his 40's] > ronald colman [alive and in his 40's] > gerald mcraney > ben kingsley > warren mitchell [in his 50's] > > i lay the table. All 8 of them??? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:35:21 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests << > How could anyone want to invite that murderous liar Adolf >Hitler to a civilized dinner party? What kind of a person are >you? >> he IS sitting next to jesus after all. i'd love to be a fly on the wall and listen in on THAT conversation. no, no adolf for me (even though he was a vegetarian), my list is as follows: pat metheny kenny g jesus christ joni mitchell jerry garcia woody allen miles davis charlie parker i figure with that crowd, except for miles (and hopefully bird would keep him busy), i'd have a pretty good shot of spending some quality time with joni. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:46:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: record poll and new threads JC Harper the "Renaissance" Man started: <> Leonard Nimoy and Jim Nabors do a FAR worse job than Oliver...at least he does it in his own style, they just do it with NO style whatsoever... But my vote for WORST Joni cover goes to Roger McGuinn for his take on Dreamland. Firstly, except for "Chestnut Mare", I despise his nasally whine - just drives me up a wall! Although he gets some points for tackling a Joni song that nobody else covers, he changes the lyric to "Errol Flynn Sarong"!! Excuse me? What film did Errol Flynn wear a sarong in? One of his lost "Drag Queen Pirate Epics" or something, I suppose...now Errol was into some pretty kinky stuff so he probably had a sarong fetish, who knows...but the song bites the big one anyway with McGuinn's whine. <> I like all of her covers, so I don't put one in this category... <> Hejira gets my vote, again because of the dreamlike quality of the artwork, it just complements the interior so well... <> "Answer Me My Love", simply because anybody who takes on a song already sung to perfection by Sam Cooke, Nat King Cole, Otis Redding, and/or Ray Charles is asking for trouble. btw, I love the two versions you call the worst! <> And I cast a ballot for "My Best To You", I think she injects a warmth and sincerity not heard in the Sons of the Pioneers version... Thanks for asking, Harper Lou! NP: Moby Grape, "Hoochie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:49:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira (md) In a message dated 8/29/00 10:04:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << But it seems that to call it her greatest somehow freezes her in time at that point. >> I couldnt agree more with this comment. Im not sure any Joni album is her "greatest" just as no Van Gough painting is really his "greatest". Someone is surely entitled to say that because it may be that way for them but is more than likely isnt for everyone. Personally I think several of her albums are all equal yet different and thats because they are related to the evolution of her art skills. Joni Mitchels art has been a work in progress and evolution for her entire career which is what has made her different and why I love her. <<>> This was in my very humble opinion just another life phase that Joni was going through. I have stated that I believe (dont have any way of knowing) the title refers to some crossroads she had encountered in her life and her art. The imagery of many of the songs is soaked in this probability. I hasten to add that I also believe strongly that part of what made the songs on this album what they are is the fact that she had made a musical transition to different "tools" in the form of instruments and effects. In the past I have tried out a new pedal or effect of some sort and it takes my basic song and forms it into something completely unexpected. Its one of the thrills of songwriting. I dont think Amelia sounds the same or conveys the same feeling on certain instruments as it does with the ones she used on the album. While the thought of a great sax player doing the song solo gives me chills up my spine it wouldnt sound the same. It wouldnt feel the "same".When Jason Marsalis did Shades of Scarlet Conquering in New Orleans for instance it blew my mind but it was very different than on its album track. here was a whole new way that the song could actually affect me. <<,On the other hand, Hejira leaves me with the feeling that she has rejected the flame, doused or abandoned it completely and prefers the coolness of the ice now.>> I more or less chalked the photo up to something that was done based on circumstance not necessarily a case of Joni thinking that the picture for this album must be a certain landscape. I still dont get the ice skater as relating to any words in the album for instance. I know Yoko could clue me in to the deep meaning but.... <>> Is Hejira better than NRH or TI or STAS?? Personally I dont think so. They all have their allure. I also think that confirmation of what I said above is evident in NRH. She returned to her basic instrument ensemble and created one of the best albums she has ever done. I also see a song like Havana off off TTT as being more or less the culmination of her prior six albums experiences in both instruments and writing. She needed all of her musical experiences to be able to write that song. marcel deste np. "I wish I was in Toppsfield" by the Sweedish Rhythm Kings. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:08:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni & Rolling Stone I've now been through a bunch of Rolling Stones, from early '69 to late '74 (see list) without finding the infamous, legendary or perhaps imaginary chart of Joni's lovers. Any hints on other dates to look at? A couple of observations. I'd forgotten how "out there" early RS was - or perhaps in sync with the times? - in the frequent male and female nudity - even in the ads! I know we've slagged RS for some of its less-than-complementary references, but Joni's record company was not helping by running ads with nudge-nudge, wink-wink headlines like "Joni Mitchell Takes Forever" and "Joni Mitchell Finally Comes Across." Joni shows up in Random Notes (aka the gossip column) in, I would guess, one out of every three or four issues. Many interesting references to parties she was at...including Lennon and Nicholson connections. I suppose when I'm too old to do anyhing else useful I should go through and compile all these... OK, here's the issues I've been through: 29, 38, 42, 51, 73-76, 96-99, 108-113, 115-126, 129, 130, 132-134, 136-138, 141, 142, 144-151, 153-176. I'll try to fill in the gaps. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:08:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni & Rolling Stone I've now been through a bunch of Rolling Stones, from early '69 to late '74 (see list) without finding the infamous, legendary or perhaps imaginary chart of Joni's lovers. Any hints on other dates to look at? A couple of observations. I'd forgotten how "out there" early RS was - or perhaps in sync with the times? - in the frequent male and female nudity - even in the ads! I know we've slagged RS for some of its less-than-complementary references, but Joni's record company was not helping by running ads with nudge-nudge, wink-wink headlines like "Joni Mitchell Takes Forever" and "Joni Mitchell Finally Comes Across." Joni shows up in Random Notes (aka the gossip column) in, I would guess, one out of every three or four issues. Many interesting references to parties she was at...including Lennon and Nicholson connections. I suppose when I'm too old to do anyhing else useful I should go through and compile all these... OK, here's the issues I've been through: 29, 38, 42, 51, 73-76, 96-99, 108-113, 115-126, 129, 130, 132-134, 136-138, 141, 142, 144-151, 153-176. I'll try to fill in the gaps. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:30:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: record poll and new threads JC Bob writes: << But my vote for WORST Joni cover goes to Roger McGuinn for his take on Dreamland. Firstly, except for "Chestnut Mare", I despise his nasally whine - just drives me up a wall! Although he gets some points for tackling a Joni song that nobody else covers, he changes the lyric to "Errol Flynn Sarong"!! Excuse me? What film did Errol Flynn wear a sarong in? >> I'd have to go with Jim Nabors as the worse cover, but McGuinn's version of "Dreamland" is pretty bad. As for the lyric "Errol Flynn Sarong", Errol was in a movie called "The Adventures of Don Juan" and he may have worn a sarong in that. Jimmy np: Michael Paz "Song for Sharon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:50:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: record poll and new threads NJC <> Playing the part of Don Juan's Reckless Sarong-wearing Daughter", no doubt...;~D Bob NP:Toshi Reagon, "Trouble Child" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:43:11 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > > From: Michael Bird , August > To: Peg Eves > Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > > > Every picture has its broodmare's tale and a dishwasher and a > coffee percolator, and the sky goes on forever without Dinos and > Pooh bears. > > "The way I see it," he says, "wind in the wings," he says, > "everybody's in it for their own gain, all romantics meet the > same fate" - naked in the garden, trembling like a washing on a > line, reading Rolling Stone, caught up in House & Garden. > > I said, "Take me to the dance" > "Do you want to dance?" > "I love to dance" > And I told him, ... I wish I had a river I could skate away on. I wish I had a river so long - a long, long , way from Canada . . . > > RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > > > > > From: Michael Bird [mailto:mbirdny@earthlink.net] > > > > To: Peg Eves > > Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > > > > > > Every picture has its broodmare's tale and a dishwasher and a > > coffee percolator, and the sky goes on forever without Dinos and > > Pooh bears. "The way I see it," he says, "wind in the wings," he > > says, "everybody's in it for their own gain, all romantics meet the same > fate" - naked in the garden. ... > > > > > > From: "Peg Eves" > > To: Michael Bird < > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:05:47 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: The cover of Hejira (SJC) Steve Polifka, computer graphics genius extraordinaire, wrote: > Hi all! > 'All this talk of Hejira now...' > You know the cover shots of that lp were taken on lake Mendota > in Madison, WI, the day after (or before?) her concert there > on Feb 29th, 1976. (Now if they's only get time travel up and running...) Me now: Is this true, Steve? Coo-ool! I posted to the list some time ago, and probably several times, that I had heard that the cover was shot on Lake Mendota behind the Edgewater Hotel. I heard this from a DJ on WMMM (Triple M, Madison/Verona) in May of '98, who presented it as Gospel truth. Steve, how did you happen to find out the exact dates? I am quite familiar with the landscape behind the Edgewater, and wrote at the time that, if the cover wasn't shot there, it very well *could* have been. My guess now is that Joni was staying at the Edgewater when she was in town for the concert, and seized the opportunity to take (or have someone else take) those beautiful photographs. When did Hejira come out--fall of '76? Steve also wrote: "Hey Eric- If you got your wish, then all the Madison and Milwaukee JMDLer's would have a great reason to get together! (Such a not-so-subtle hint for Mary, Kerry and the rest...) Steve, Who'd invite Joni Mitchell over for dinner 10 times..." OK, Steve, I'll bite! How about a get-together for JMDLers in Madison, Milwaukee, everyone in between, and all interested parties on February 28 (sorry, can't duplicate the date exactly) 2001 in the lounge of the Edgewater Hotel? "We were drinking for diversion, we were thinking for ourselves. . ." ;-) In the alternative, how about a fall JMDL get-together in, say, October or November of 2000 for Wisconsin and Illinois JMDLers, plus any interested others? Any takers? Please e-mail me. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:14:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: hitler and jesus oh but kerrry and paul! it's the lyrics of TALK TO ME by JONI MITCHELL? can you be so NOT into joni mitchell????????????? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:28:16 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Sometimes change comes at you. . . (NJC) To my JMDL friends: All of this talk about get-togethers made me realize how much this list has meant to me in the nearly four years (gads!!!) that I've been a member, and that I really should mention that there will be an important change in my life soon. Many of the Saskatoon JMDLers met my partner, Jack, who joined me toward the end of the trip. However, Jack and I will be separating at the end of next month after six years together, and I will be moving into a place of my own. This had been a long time in coming, but, as I'm learning, such endings are never easy, no matter how prepared you think you are. There are certainly many reasons on both sides for us to take this final step, but there were also many, many good times. All this to say: as a practical matter, I will be quite busy until at least the first week of October, and probably will read the digests only sporadically, at best. So if you want to reach me about a Midwest JMDL gathering or anything else, it would be best to e-mail me directly. Those I'll read! And as a not-so-practical matter: it's times like this that makes me grateful for friends, wherever they may be, and however we might communicate. Thank you for all you have given me over the years. It helps so much to know that all of you are out there. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:24:28 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Dinner is served ! For those of you that know me well, when I have dinner parties I always gravitate to the music room for a little jamming. With that in mind my dinner guests would be: Joni Mitchell Wayne Shorter Herbie Hancock Larry Klein Eric Johnson Brian Blade Lyle Mays Pat Metheny Of course I would serve some of my famous Sour-Orange/Black Pepper Shrimp, Fresh Asparagus and Hearts of Palm Salad, Lobster and Tofu Fonduu, Grilled Lobster, my famous Broussel Sprout Casserole, and I would whip up some Bananas Foster for dessert. Yum! Strum! Paz NP-Jungle Line-Thomas Dolby (Hi Bob!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:12:14 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Lunar lyrics by Simpletons(NJC) Victor wrote: "Standing on the moon, Where talk is cheap and vision true. Standing on the moon, But I'd rather be with you. Somewhere in San Francisco, On a back porch in July, Just looking up at heaven, And that crescent in the sky." Robert Hunter "Baby I can tell you there's no easy way out, Lost inside of dreams that guide you on. Baby I can tell you there's no easy way out, Soon the guiding moonlight will be gone" David Sylvian "I never felt magic as crazy as this, I never saw moons knew the meaning of the sea. I never held emotion in the palm of my hand, Or felt sweet breezes in the top of a tree." Nick Drake "But I'm still in love with you, I want to see you dance again. I'm still in love with you, On this harvest moon." Neil Young "I'd like to be a lonesome traveller, Sleep beneath the harvest moon. Watch her dancing on the water, Perfect stars every where." Victor Johnson "One by one, by the stardogged Moon, Too quick for groan or sigh. Each turned his face with a ghastly pang, And cursed me with his eye." Samuel Taylor Coleridge "Isn't it strange, the moon would smile at me, Wouldn't want her to change, She looks different every night you see, The moon and me." Victor Johnson "I saw it written and I saw it say, Pink moon is on its way. And none of you stand so tall, Pink moon is gonna get ye all, And it's, yes it's a pink moon, Pink, pink, pink, pink Pink, pink, pink moon" Nick Drake "Rock and roll is only howling at the moon." Kansas "I've seen the bad moon arising, I see trouble on the way" Credence Clearwater Revival "Well the sun is slowly sinking down, The moon is surely rising. This old world must still be spinning round, And I still love you." James Taylor "When the evening hides the sun, The water shines deep the moon. Birds sing sweet sonatas, While your heart strings play." Victor Johnson "All the night's magic seems to whisper and hush, All the soft moonlight seems to shine in your blush." Van Morrison "Casting away all your memories, The moon is the queen of the sea. Sail on your ship, As you sleep with the stars, And try to forget about me." Victor Johnson "Passion flower, sweet surrender, Falling further into dreams, I walk beneath the silver moon." Victor Johnson "They say that the moon Is in love with the sea, She watches him from so far away. But the wave of love, That washes over me, Brings me closer to you every day." Victor Johnson "There is no moon above, When love is far away too, Till it comes true, That you love me as I love you." Nancy Hamilton "The moon she is kind, The waves reflect her smile. She watches over you I know." Victor Johnson "Your voice it wakes me from my sleep, Like gentle wind, You bring me the sun and moon." Victor Johnson Hey Paul, I think you've been mooned! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:01:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dinner is served ! Michael Paz wrote: > > Of course I would serve some of my famous Sour-Orange/Black Pepper > Shrimp, Fresh Asparagus and Hearts of Palm Salad, Lobster and Tofu Fonduu, > Grilled Lobster, my famous Broussel Sprout Casserole, and I would whip up > some Bananas Foster for dessert. Yum! Strum! Well, you can hold the Brussel Sprout Casserole, but the rest seems worthy a return trip! Jerry (no mushrooms!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:41:27 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric / ANYONE?exercise > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bird [mailto:mbirdny@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:45 PM > To: Peg Eves > Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > > > Every picture has its broodmare's tale and a dishwasher and a > coffee percolator, and the sky goes on forever without Dinos and > Pooh bears. > > "The way I see it," he says, "wind in the wings," he says, > "everybody's in it for their own gain, all romantics meet the > same fate" - naked in the garden, trembling like a washing on a > line, reading Rolling Stone, caught up in House & Garden. > > I said, "Take me to the dance" > "Do you want to dance?" > "I love to dance" > And I told him, "I wish I had a river I could skate away on. I > wish I had a river so long - a long, long, way from Canada ... > Oh, Canada. I long for our next embrace, but in France they kiss > up and down old Beale Street." > > Nathan grumbled at the grey. "Buy the carphone, call the broker, > every mean-streets kick-ass, all these jack-offs at the office, > they're leaning on their spades , eating sour grapes and smokin' fat cigars. How am I ever gonna know my home with this dark cloud above me? > > Hey, Peg, this is fun, but where does it end??!! :) Would you > like to add the finishing touches and send it off to the list? Oh, oh. Of course! I thought it was on the list ! It doesn't need to end, it can go on if someone gets the notion (to be needed . . .)Anyone can just throw on t a line or three and shoot it back including say, the previous paragraph or so. Any one? Peg > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:01:59 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: The cover of Hejira (SJC) At 11:05 AM 8/30/00 -0500, Pitassi, Mary wrote: >Steve Polifka, computer graphics genius extraordinaire, wrote: > >> Hi all! >> 'All this talk of Hejira now...' >> You know the cover shots of that lp were taken on lake Mendota >> in Madison, WI, the day after (or before?) her concert there >> on Feb 29th, 1976. (Now if they's only get time travel up and running...) > >Me now: Is this true, Steve? Coo-ool! > >I posted to the list some time ago, and probably several times, that I had >heard that the cover was shot on Lake Mendota behind the Edgewater Hotel. I >heard this from a DJ on WMMM (Triple M, Madison/Verona) in May of '98, who >presented it as Gospel truth. Steve, how did you happen to find out the >exact dates? > >I am quite familiar with the landscape behind the Edgewater, and wrote at >the time that, if the cover wasn't shot there, it very well *could* have >been. My guess now is that Joni was staying at the Edgewater when she was >in town for the concert, and seized the opportunity to take (or have someone >else take) those beautiful photographs. > >When did Hejira come out--fall of '76? > >Steve also wrote: > >"Hey Eric- > If you got your wish, then all the Madison and Milwaukee JMDLer's would >have a great reason to get together! >(Such a not-so-subtle hint for Mary, Kerry and the rest...) >Steve, >Who'd invite Joni Mitchell over for dinner 10 times..." > >OK, Steve, I'll bite! How about a get-together for JMDLers in Madison, >Milwaukee, everyone in between, and all interested parties on February 28 >(sorry, can't duplicate the date exactly) 2001 in the lounge of the >Edgewater Hotel? "We were drinking for diversion, we were thinking for >ourselves. . ." ;-) > >In the alternative, how about a fall JMDL get-together in, say, October or >November of 2000 for Wisconsin and Illinois JMDLers, plus any interested >others? > >Any takers? Please e-mail me. > >Mary P. > Hey Mary!!! Since you live in Madison, there was an article in the Madison paper In March (Feb?) 1976 about her photo shoot on the lake. I know for sure that the concert was Feb 29th, and it was the last date of that tour. I have the review of that concert. However, I am not sure of the exact date(s) of the photo shoot other than someone told me about it afterwords and told me of the Madison article. They are the ones who gave me the possible dates I mentioned. Maybe you could research it? As for a get together- how about September? My life has alot of variables right now! (Nice ones...) Hejira came out Nov '76. Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:20:37 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: My 8 In no particular order... 1. Ceasar Chavez 2. Will Sasso 3. Jerry Garcia 4. Julia Butterfly Hill (whoever said her, good choice!) 5. Bill Maher 6. Colleen Haskell 7. Steve Jobs and 8. Martha Stewart, so she could complain about the food, the tablecloth, the decor and my choice of dinner guests NP-The Slip, 10/18/96 - Magazine - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:29:58 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) My biggest problem with the album Hejira is simply that for some reason the word itself conjures up too many images in my mind which distract me from the actual meaning of the word itself. To demonstrate this phenomena I submit a few examples: HEJIRA (hedge-eye-rah) 1) Nurse: Oh my God Doctor what are those awful blotches? Doctor: Im afraid its Hejira, he has one of the worst cases I've ever seen. 2) Blanche: Dearie you look great. You look so different Mildred: I just went to a plastic surgeon and had a Hejira. or : My hairdresser gave my scalp a hejira. 3) Newscaster: The candidate is rocketing up in the polls. His organization credits his recent surge to in the polls to a totally new Hejira in his campaigning. 4) What do you get when you dont fix the wedgie in time: a hejira. 5) His back strained under the weight of the hejira.... 6) Reporter at the NASA briefing: Sir, what was the primary cause of the shuttle explosion. NASA press liason: We believe that something malfunctioned in the ship's Hejira. 7) Newscaster: Tens of thousands are now homeless as the massive storm ripped through the tiny island of Hejira located off the coast of Zanzibar. 8) Newscaster: In spite of outrage at the United Nations and all the western nations the tiny country of Hejira was invaded today..... 9) Telephone Operator: Hello...hello...I cant understand you. Im sorry sir but no one here speaks Hejira. 10) Newscaster: The spectators at the World Chess Championship were stunned as Vladimir Zipynski was able to win in one move by executing the rarest of all strategic maneuvers, the devastating Hikurks Hejira. 11) World Wrestling federation: Oh my god Harry and holy moly, hes bending the mans arm completely backwards. Sidekick announcer: Yeah Frank he has him in a full hejira. or 12) Olympics announcer: In a recap today Sylvia Kling won the womens freestyle with a perfect execution of a triple hejira. 13) What are those little insects that cause itching behind your Cats ear : Hejira. 14) The single biggest cause of fatigue among elderly men is a buildup of Hejira in the bloodstream. 15) Newscaster: The crowd went completely hejira...... 16) Science Professor to his class: The Pleeflontal Complex is located just behind the eye next to the Hejira. 17) Newscaster: Astronomers today viewing through Mount Palomars 400 inch telescope were in awe of the suns once every century Hejira. 18) Newscaster: Entymologists have determined that it is the only remaining Hejira in existence. President Clinton has vowed to convince Congress to invest over a billion dollars in preserving its dwindling habitat. 19) Question: What do you call the pension plan that both buys and sells against underlying securities. Answer: Hejira. 20) Culinary Expert: Waiter, this Pate is divine what does the chef do to achieve this? Waiter: I think he just adds a little Hejira. 21) Question: What is the one thing you are not allowed to expose on television. Answer: The hejira. Anybody's hejira. Not even a dog's hejira. No can do. 21) Michael Paz lecture: To get the most out of your new VG-8 you first need to control the hejira of the MP3 interface. and last but not least: 22) The secret to Kakki's laid back L.A. Martini Mix is, of course, a pinch of ... Allow me to say to those I may have offended with this post. Stick it in your Hejira. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:06:26 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: My problem with Hejira (NJC but LOHC)(md) Marcel, Thanks for these 22 graphical examples of word and its negative connotations. It was really fun to read! It always conjured up something adventurous for me, even before I knew its actual meaning, so I couln't really relate, but I got a kick out of it anyway! Best, -Kenny MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > My biggest problem with the album Hejira is simply that for some reason the > word itself conjures up too many images in my mind which distract me from the > actual meaning of the word itself. To demonstrate this phenomena I submit a > few examples: > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Jude Cole New Release (NJC) I know that a couple of folks have mentioned they were Jude Cole fans -- he's been absent since 1995's "Don't Know Why I Act This Way." Well he's back, and the writing and playing is strong as ever. To order your copy of "Falling Home", point your browsers at: http://www.judecole.com Sorry for the shameless plug, but good music's getting hard to come by these days. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:17:38 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Hejira At 09:36 PM 8/29/00 -0700, Kakki wrote: >But it seems that to call it her greatest somehow >freezes her in time at that point. Hi Kakki, Thanks for this...in the future I will try to label Hejira as "my favorite" rather than "her greatest." I think she exhibited greater production skills, sharper vocal technique, more melodic songwriting, and more accomplished guitar playing on certain albums other than Hejira. Still, I keep coming back to the whole package and the way she presented it to us. If pressed I would probably say that the birth of my first child was my "greatest" moment. But hopefully I haven't been stagnant since then. I know that Joni has continued to expand her artistic horizons, right to this very day, and of course that is what so many of us admire. >I've gone back over the past week and re-read the lyrics in Hejira. Joni's >lyrics have always branded themself right into me. Maybe I take the lyrics >too seriously, but read them and then tell me that almost every song doesn't >end on a sort of down, sad or somewhat futile note. But there's comfort in melancholy... :-) OK Kakki, my pat answer is "duality." You know, when discussing Joni, it's always safe to say "she's portraying some duality." :-) Agreed, many of the songs bring up unpleasant, difficult soul-searching decisions. She's attracted to Coyote, but realizes their paths are too dissimilar for anything long-term. She pleads with the ghost of Amelia, wondering if they'll *all* be false alarms. Meeting Furry brought her a swift dose of stark reality. The Strange Boy was intriguing and insightful, but they couldn't make it work. She reflects on the greener pastures of Sharon's chosen lifestyle. And she flat out tells us she's "got the blues inside and outside my head." So she sets us up with these dark situations before turning it all around and giving us hope. On the original vinyl, the song "Hejira" ended side 1. I don't think this is by accident. The song is so incredibly powerful! The awesome lyrics...the whole song is a masterpiece. But cutting to the final verse: "A defector from the petty wars, until love sucks me back that way." I feel that Joni has admitted that she's been trying to escape all the crap...the petty wars...but knows that love WILL come back again. She's faced up to all the trials and leaves us with the final thought that love will never leave her. That's the feeling I always had when that first side ended...recognizing there will be dark times but always looking for the light. >On the other hand, Hejira leaves me with the feeling that she >has rejected the flame, doused or abandoned it completely and >prefers the coolness of the ice now. Perhaps Joni did begin to look differently at life's situations about this time. Previously she poured out her being with the nakedly transparent "Blue" and the oft-wrenching "For The Roses." Maybe by the time she released Hejira she had become a little more jaded and it shows. A more mature outlook? Still, her flame burns. It's not out by a long shot. Rather than a forest fire (FTR) I see it more like a Bunsen burner where one can control the intensity. ;-) In concluding the album she gives us the stunningly beautiful melodies and soaring musical arrangements on "Refuge of the Roads." To me this song says "I'm Joni Mitchell...I've been through some rough spots...I'm now recalling all the things I experienced on my cross-country hejira...and I've come away intact...I can face anything." I sense an epiphany when she pulled off into the forest and heard her fate turn turn turn. She's humbled now. "Couldn't see me here least of all." Resigned, perhaps. Ready for anything? You bet. Kakki, would it be fair to say there was a loss of innocence at this point? Regrettable maybe but inevitable. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:27:16 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: For Ashara's collection of miracles Reuters Monday August 28 1:32 PM ET Dolphin Saves Boy From Drowning MANFREDONIA, Italy (Reuters) - A dolphin saved a 14-year-old boy from drowning in the Adriatic sea on Monday, pushing him to the surface and helping him to a nearby boat. The boy, who could not swim, told Italian news agency ANSA he fell from the boat as he was sailing with his father in the gulf of Manfredonia, off the southern Italian coast. As he was slipping under the water, something pushed him up. ``When I realized it was Filippo, I hung on to him,'' the boy said, referring to the dolphin. The mammal carried the boy to the boat and swam away. The dolphin has lived in the gulf's waters for years, locals say, and has been dubbed Filippo. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #475 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?