From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #474 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 474 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Guess who's coming to dinner? (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] Hejira [Michael Paz ] Re: 8 dinner guests [Slac ] Re: 8 dinner guests [Slac ] 8 dinner guests [Joseph Palis ] Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Your Record Thread Poll NJC [Gerald McNamara ] Re: Hejira ["Kakki" ] Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests ["Kakki" ] Dream Dinner [Leslie Mixon ] RE: Dream Dinner ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:37:21 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Guess who's coming to dinner? (SJC) As threads go, I'm really enjoying this one. I won't include those who have passed on from this world, as the choice would just be too mind-boggling! Lennon, Marley and MLK would probably feature, but I'm not a past-tense kind of person. So, the invites would go out to the following : Joni Mitchell - seated by an open window Paul McCartney Jodie Foster Alan Davies (UK stand-up comedian/actor) Tom Hanks Alyson Hannigan (Willow, from Buffy The Vampire Slayer) Graeme Le Saux (Chelsea footballer) Lindsay Davenport Those who just missed the cut - Steven Spielberg, Liam Neeson, Seal, Jenna Elfman (I don't want to faint or be overcome with lust!) and Neil Tennant - in case he turns up in one of those pointy hats or, worse, one of those fright-wigs :-) I can picture many JMDL-ers going a deeper shade of pale at this most bizarre collection! It would be *different*, to say the least :-) Now all I have to do is find the free time in my oh-so-hectic schedule... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:52:19 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Lunar lyrics by Simpletons(NJC) "Standing on the moon, Where talk is cheap and vision true. Standing on the moon, But I'd rather be with you. Somewhere in San Francisco, On a back porch in July, Just looking up at heaven, And that crescent in the sky." Robert Hunter "Baby I can tell you there's no easy way out, Lost inside of dreams that guide you on. Baby I can tell you there's no easy way out, Soon the guiding moonlight will be gone" David Sylvian "I never felt magic as crazy as this, I never saw moons knew the meaning of the sea. I never held emotion in the palm of my hand, Or felt sweet breezes in the top of a tree." Nick Drake "But I'm still in love with you, I want to see you dance again. I'm still in love with you, On this harvest moon." Neil Young "I'd like to be a lonesome traveller, Sleep beneath the harvest moon. Watch her dancing on the water, Perfect stars every where." Victor Johnson "One by one, by the stardogged Moon, Too quick for groan or sigh. Each turned his face with a ghastly pang, And cursed me with his eye." Samuel Taylor Coleridge "Isn't it strange, the moon would smile at me, Wouldn't want her to change, She looks different every night you see, The moon and me." Victor Johnson "I saw it written and I saw it say, Pink moon is on its way. And none of you stand so tall, Pink moon is gonna get ye all, And it's, yes it's a pink moon, Pink, pink, pink, pink Pink, pink, pink moon" Nick Drake "Rock and roll is only howling at the moon." Kansas "I've seen the bad moon arising, I see trouble on the way" Credence Clearwater Revival "Well the sun is slowly sinking down, The moon is surely rising. This old world must still be spinning round, And I still love you." James Taylor "When the evening hides the sun, The water shines deep the moon. Birds sing sweet sonatas, While your heart strings play." Victor Johnson "All the night's magic seems to whisper and hush, All the soft moonlight seems to shine in your blush." Van Morrison "Casting away all your memories, The moon is the queen of the sea. Sail on your ship, As you sleep with the stars, And try to forget about me." Victor Johnson "Passion flower, sweet surrender, Falling further into dreams, I walk beneath the silver moon." Victor Johnson "They say that the moon Is in love with the sea, She watches him from so far away. But the wave of love, That washes over me, Brings me closer to you every day." Victor Johnson "There is no moon above, When love is far away too, Till it comes true, That you love me as I love you." Nancy Hamilton "The moon she is kind, The waves reflect her smile. She watches over you I know." Victor Johnson "Your voice it wakes me from my sleep, Like gentle wind, You bring me the sun and moon." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:17:02 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests (md) El Greco Anne Bradstreet John Brown Rodin Joni Mitchell Plato William Shakespeare Quincey Jones Food would be thought... - -Julius As if... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:40:09 CDT From: "Stormy Mance" Subject: Dinner and record polls First record I owned: Band on the Run Bought: Prince's Purple Rain Parents played: Carol King's Tapestry Cover Art: Ladies of the Canyon Played over and over: Michael Jackson's Thriller (with one glove on my hand and zippers all over my jacket) 8 Dinner Guests: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Hunter Thompson 3. Madonna 4. The Dahli Llama 5. Jerry Garcia 6. Steve Bushemi 7. The Artist formerly known as Prince (i'd force that guy to eat so he can get some meat on his bones) 8. my friend Jemila Menu: Homemade perogies, dumplings, grilled portibello mushrooms, sausage and kraut, french onion soup, and for desert tirimisu Stormy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:05:49 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hejira Hello All- I find that I don't often contribute to the threads about Joni regarding what her music is about yet, I HAVE been following the thread about Hejira with great interest especially since Kakki is IN on the discussion. I have made it well known that For the Roses and Hejira are my top two Joni albums of all time and I feel Hejira is in the "second to none" category for me at this particular time. While both of these albums show a remarkable talent for lyric, melody and rhythm, I still am SO drawn to Hejira in so many ways I think (In my humble ass opinion) that For the Roses has alot of content that looks a life and love from a musicians standpoint (especially from the ever popular "Tortured Artist" aspect) {Hi Patrick and Todd). Hejira comes from a place that is more centralized to mass appeal. The word itself is about travelling which is something we can ALL relate to (I for instance am travelling in several vehicles this weekend to get away from my other life and be with people I love and sing and play music and drink and and and ....), whereas not all of us have taped our "regrets to the microphone stand". There is something about Hejira as opposed to FTR that draws more from the whole wide world, whereas For the Roses draws MORE from her position as a musician in the biz etc. I know if we sit here and nitpick it to death we can find the musician aspect in Hejira and the worldwide appeal in FTR, which means they are still both number one and I never half to pick between them again. Lets face it these two albums are brilliant, as is MOST of her work. What strikes me so often is her use of the tunings and shapes. To me this is the single most amazing thing that she has left behind for us to learn and grow with. The way she melded herself into that vary thing and then couple that with a brilliant heartfelt lyric sung in a high soprano or dark husky smoke stained voice. That kinda shit will drive me through the roof. The reason we all are here. *Please note that I am not representing that "I" know where MS. Mitchell is coming from or her spoken or unspoken intent here. I am merely giving you my view on why alot of us are drawn to Hejira for what it is. It's worldwide babe, global, know what I sayin'? Rambling on, Michael P.S. I can't wait for the Cameron Crowe (MD) of the jmdl to do his reviews of FTR and Hejira. Should prove to be captivating stuff! NP-NOTHING! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:36 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Paul I wrote: > Are there some of you out there who rotate? Sure if you're a payin' customer ;~) > spinning on your own axis? Sure feels that way sometimes - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:24 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests My eight guests would be: Ellen Laura Nyro Dusty Springfield Joni Mitchell Julie Larson Wally Breese Simon Jody and Scott Ferron kidlang Willie Nelson My late father Bob Dylan Melissa Etheridge Jackson Browne James Taylor Paul McCartney Georgia O'keeffe Don MacLean Don Henley Don Rowe Paninni Cat Stevens Princess Anne Camilla Parker Bowles Princes Di The Dali Lama Madonna Chrissie Hynde Elton John Crosby Nash Stills Young That Russian on Prozac ;~) and my agency Can't we just invite the world? On these rare occasions who can count?...so spank me ;~D Don Rowe wrote about his dinner party: > And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm feeling a sudden > urge to throw plastic covers over ... everything! ;-) Everything?! I know it's risky but some things are just better uncovered darlin' ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:39:29 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: 8 dinner guests 1. Woody Allen 2. Philip Glass 3. Vanessa Redgrave 4. Hortense Calisher 5. Kazuo Ishiguro 6. Pablo Neruda 7. Jeff Bridges 8. Joan Cusack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:18:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests In a message dated 8/29/00 12:22:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: << Jesus Hitler Howard Hughes _____________________________ Joni l The Table l Willy the Shake __________is laden high_________ Charlie Chaplin Bergman Martha >> How could anyone want to invite that murderous liar Adolf Hitler to a civilized dinner party? What kind of a person are you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 4:30:41 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: Re: Your Record Thread Poll NJC John wrote: > >1. You owned: a single by Australian group "The Delltones". I won it >in a competition. I bet even my Australian 'music slut' friend Gerald >doesn't remember them!!:-) > Hey John, of course I remember The Delltones. Their first release was in the 50's and they're still going today. Which record was it ? "Get A Little Dirt On Your Hands", perhaps ?? Wasn't that their biggest hit ? Here's a music trivia question for you and any other 'music sluts': Can you link The Delltones with the British super-group Cream ? (hint... think "Disraeli Gears" or "Wheels Of Fire") -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:36:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hejira Mr. Paz opined: >While both of these albums show a remarkable talent >for lyric, melody and rhythm, I still am SO drawn to Hejira in >so many ways I think (In my humble ass opinion) that For >the Roses has alot of content that looks a life and love from >a musicians standpoint (especially from the ever popular >"Tortured Artist" aspect) Hejira comes from a place that is >more centralized to mass appeal. O.K. I see that is it somewhat more accessible than her other albums in overall tone. We've all had and can identify with Hejiras in our life - my first one, where I was starting to feel a little too world-weary, happened in my late 20s (and did not result in such fine poetry as Joni's ;-) But it seems that to call it her greatest somehow freezes her in time at that point. After my "hejira" and transcendence or making peace with certain phases in my life, I did not stay some calm, wise, existentialistic, able-to-transcend everything sophisticate. Rather, I later entered my second adolescence of seeing life in a fresh and new way again. (I'm in my fourth adolescence now). And isn't that what Joni did to some extent? Next stop - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and then make an immediate left to Mingus? I've gone back over the past week and re-read the lyrics in Hejira. Joni's lyrics have always branded themself right into me. Maybe I take the lyrics too seriously, but read them and then tell me that almost every song doesn't end on a sort of down, sad or somewhat futile note. In FTR she expresses strong extremes of emotion, cynicism and despair, also, yet there is an underlying passion in the lyrics and music throughout that album where you feel that even though she has been through the fire, she still has a burning flame going. On the other hand, Hejira leaves me with the feeling that she has rejected the flame, doused or abandoned it completely and prefers the coolness of the ice now. But that wasn't really her, not completely, not forever, as evidenced in much later albums. The old flame became doused, but the smolders relit again a bit in DJRD. She then began to thaw out next to others' flames (Mingus, Larry Klein). Then, as Marcel indicated, after a long thaw, one day we saw the old flame start to flicker again in NRH, and become a full-blown forest fire in TI ;-) Kakki NP - and wallowing in deliriously ;-) - The Byrds box set ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:42:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests Paul, > How could anyone want to invite that murderous liar Adolf >Hitler to a civilized dinner party? What kind of a person are >you? He wants the characters Joni names in "Talk To Me". Don't worry - he's sitting between Jesus and Howard Hughes - they'll make short work of him. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:05:54 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Dream Dinner If Steve and I were hosting a dinner and I could pick eight guests they would be: Laura Nyro Joni Mitchell Katharine Hepburn Oprah Winfrey Woody Guthrie Alfred Hitchcock John Steinbeck Berry Gordy I'm sure that Steve would want to include Lauren Bacall and Bill Monroe on his guest list, but I shouldn't speak for him... Leslie M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:53:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dream Dinner franco nero ed harris patrick stewart alfred stieglitz [alive and in his 40's] ronald colman [alive and in his 40's] gerald mcraney ben kingsley warren mitchell [in his 50's] i lay the table. wallyk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #474 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?