From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #471 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, August 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 471 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Firsts [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: NJC Robbie Robertson, now RLJ ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: (now Hejira) ["Kakki" ] RLJ at her volcano (NJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: NJC Robbie Robertson, now RLJ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re :The First (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Record Poll NJC ["kerry" ] Funky newspaper headlines NJC ["kerry" ] RLJ does standards (NJC big time) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Record Thread Poll [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: hejira's cover sjc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Record Thread Poll NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Carole King Poster (NJC) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] RLJ Volcano Rarity NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Album thread...sjc ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Record thread (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Jonis influence ["P. Henry" ] Re: Record thread (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Attention Labor Day Festers This Just In!! ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Firsts [dsk ] Re: Record thread (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Record (now radio) thread (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: not getting through [Alison ] Re: Firsts [RandyRemote ] Re: Firsts [RandyRemote ] Re:ribbons [Gertus@aol.com] the first record NJC [zaide912@webtv.net] RLJ (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: firsts (njc) [Alison Einerson ] Crocuses to bring to school tomorrow... [JRMCo1@aol.com] 100 Firsts NJC [Vince Lavieri ] My 8 Dinner Party Guests - vljc [Les Irvin ] Joni song in Rolling Stone movie [JRMCo1@aol.com] first record thread [Andy Stancliffe ] Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - NJC really [michael w yarbrough ] Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: ribbons (Talk to Me) [MGVal@aol.com] Lyric Thread ["kerry" ] Re: (now Hejira) [Scott Price ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:53:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Firsts Name the first record, 1. You owned. As a youngster I picked out the Chipmunks Christmas Album as a Hanukkah present, later the Smothers Brothers, but the first one I received as an adolescent was The Monkees. The girls who came to my 12th birthday party chipped in for that one. 2. You bought. Bookends and then Blue in fairly close succession the summer I turned 17 and graduated high school. 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Frank Sinatra, Count Basie, Tony Bennett, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Ella Fitzgerald and a lot of Broadway show tunes, such as Guys and Dolls, West Side Story, Camelot, Fiddler, Carousel, Finian's Rainbow. My older sister was and is a singer, so when she was in high school she was lead or second lead in several high school and JCC productions of those musicals. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Revolver, Santana, Clouds, "If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears" (Mamas and Papas in the bathtub) 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) My sister's Peter, Paul & Mary album till I could sing along with not only Puff the Magic Dragon but every song on Side 1. Also, that Monkees album. "Taste of Honey" by Herb Alpert. Dionne Warwick singing Bacharach. Ladies of the Canyon . And on the January 1972 night of my first LSD trip the 8-track played Quicksilver Messenger Service "Happy Trails" about 20 times. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:12:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Robbie Robertson, now RLJ joseph, now you can get the cd version!!!! i bought a japanese import at amazon.com. folks, it is imperative that you listen to girl at her volcano. when it comes to re-inventing a standard, paradoxically as that statement may sound, no one can touch rickie lee jones. she is GOD. wallyk > Joseph > (who owns a tape of the album but never the CD version) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:49:38 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: hejira's cover sjc wallyk wrote: well, it's never sunny in buenos aires. in this city we all have an obsession with beaches and beach life. although summer is nightmarishly hot and humid, our beaches are cold and we have probably one solid month of sunshine in january to go to the beach and really enjoy it despite the ice cold water. all this to say THAT I TOOK CAROLE KING'S POSTER because it had palm trees and sand and i relinquished joni's!!!!!!! i'll have to live with this all my life. please forgive me brothers and sisters, and especially you, mom. Oh Wally, of course you're forgiven! I have a copy of Thoroughbred, and you're right, the cover photo is great - Carole bareback on a horse on a beach in the sun, cf. Joni on freezing cold ice! I absolutely love the cover etc. of Hejira, more so now I'm older and can appreciate the "art" of it, but when I was fifteen I would have gone for sun and sea as well - despite living in a sunny, (sometimes) warm climate! Hell - not feeling so warm tonight, and absolutely dreading having to start packing up my house tomorrow. How can one person accumulate so much crap in only two years (since the last shift, that is)!? _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:36:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (now Hejira) Mark wrote: > And I would also say that a diminished pallate can produce >stunning results and with Hejira it certainly, unarguably, >unquestionably did. But I have never been comfortable with >saying it is Joni's greatest achievement. She's grown so >much since then and I just think it's a discredit to her to say >that everything she has done since that record is not as >good or better. What I'm still trying to understand is why so many think it is her supreme crowning achievement. But everyone's input on all the discussions about Hejira has been really helpful to me. There are only two Joni albums that I didn't "get" when they came out - Hejira and DJRD. With the brilliantly chaotic DJRD I could listen to it 100s of times to try to get it and finally did (although it took several years) but as I noted before, there was something in Hejira too sad for me to listen to it repeatedly. I could only take it in small doses. I really have to thank the list for helping me to "get" it on so many more levels than before - I appreciate it 1,000 times more now. It's not that there is anything wrong with the lyrics or the music or the concept, but for some reason I enjoy others covers of the songs more than hearing Joni's performance on the album. Like Lahm's and Catgirl's Coyote sounds happy and wonderful to me, Paz's Song For Sharon and Hejira is just pure sweet beauty, Bryan Thomas' Black Crow knocks me out. But I'm getting there - Joni's orchestrated Hejira on the last tour was like a new song to me and sounded like something out of the movie Fantasia. Maybe the subdued, pared-down musical palette doesn't reach me as much as a more colorful one. Although I agree that she brilliantly captured the mood of the car wheels endlessly turning along the road. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:59:28 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RLJ at her volcano (NJC) Agreeing with Joseph here, big time he said "RLJ also released GIRL AT HER VOLCANO which is mostly old standards, like SOMETHING COOL, MY FUNNY VALENTINE, UNDER THE BOARDWALK, etc. This is her rarest of rare albums and I urge everyone to purchase one if you see a copy. Its like seeing an item you may not see again in your lifetime, or at least, that's how I look at that album and the performances in it." This changed my view of RLJ a lot after hearing it. Up to that point I only thought she was great. After hearing her take on the those classic songs with her own special phrasing I was moved and acquired a whole different respect. I urge any who like RLJ, and haven't heard it, to search out this CD and give it a listen. There were also other outtakes from the 'Pirates' sessions on it. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:24:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Robbie Robertson, now RLJ In a message dated 8/27/00 11:46:17 PM US Central Standard Time, pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: << RLJ also released GIRL AT HER VOLCANO which is mostly old standards, like SOMETHING COOL, MY FUNNY VALENTINE, UNDER THE BOARDWALK, etc. This is her rarest of rare albums and I urge everyone to purchase one if you see a copy. Its like seeing an item you may not see again in your lifetime, or at least, that's how I look at that album and the performances in it. >> I've got the album, it's an EP actually...Something Cool wasn't on the vinyl release, only on the tape...lil' bit o' RLJ trivia that you probably already knew.... Bob NP: Joni, "Chinese Cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:50:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re :The First (NJC) 1. you owned Beatles 45 "Please Please Me" 2. you bought The Beatles: "Rubber Soul" 3. parents playing Frank Sinatra "My Way" 4. cover art - "Abbey Road" 5. played over and over "The Doors" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:41:36 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Record Poll NJC Name the first record, 1. You owned. Either " Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies (cut out from the back of a cereal box!) or the red Partridge Family album. 2. You bought. The Carpenters (the beige one that looked like a big envelope) 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Either Barbra Streisand or Judy Collins records 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Any of Joni's, probably "Song to a Seagull" 5. You played over and over. "Sugar, Sugar" (much to my mother's dismay) and later, "Searchin' So Long" by Chicago (volume cranked up when my parents were gone) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:42:28 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Funky newspaper headlines NJC I thought this was kinda fun. BEST NEWSPAPER HEADLINES OF 1999 > > 1. Include Your Children When Baking Cookies > 2. Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Experts Say > 3. Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers > 4. Drunks Get Nine Months in Violin Case > 5. Iraqi Head Seeks Arms > 6. Prostitutes Appeal to Pope > 7. Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over > 8. British Left Waffles on Falkland Islands > 9. Teacher Strikes Idle Kids > 10. Clinton Wins Budget; More Lies Ahead > 11. Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told > 12. Miners Refuse to Work After Death > 13. Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant > 14. Stolen Painting Found by Tree > 15. Two Sisters Reunited after 18 Years in Checkout Counter > 16. War Dims Hope for Peace > 17. If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last a While > 18. Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide > 19. Man Struck by Lightning Faces Battery Charge > 20. New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group > 21. Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Space > 22. Kids Make Nutritious Snacks > 23. Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half > 24. Typhoon Rips through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead > 25. Viagra Thief Gets Stiff Sentence ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:48:21 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RLJ does standards (NJC big time) At the risk of making this the RLJ Discussion List, I want to say that I am a big fan of this gifted songwriter/singer. The first performance I ever got to hear of her was THE MOON IS MADE OF GOLD which she sang in a Duets album (Rob Wasserman is it?). It was emotionally raw and sounds like the singer was in pain while singing it (I think one of her parents died). To quote alto saxophonist David Sanborn, from whose Jazz radio program I heard RLJ's song: "its a one of a kind performance from a one of a kind performer". The first album I bought was FLYING COWBOYS. I agree with Bob and Wally and Les that RLJ's version of standards not only redefines the song but also deconstruct it. Her version alone of "My Funny Valentine" is so heartrending that I dare anyone to listen to it (RLJ fan or not) and not have goosebumps, especially that part where she wails..."stay little Valentine, staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy" (no vibrato there and she sustained the note longer than anyone I heard). It is similar to a heartbreaking upstairs cry in the night that breaks the silence. That emotive. In her NAKED SONGS album, she also did a good job of AUTUMN LEAVES. Well worth hearing. In POP POP, the general feel of an album is that of being so homey that I could almost smell things I associate in a cozy place and of a kitchen full of licorice. Her version of "The Second Time Around" is the one that puts me to a restful sleep everytime (and yes, even when I can't sleep because of the stalking business, I play it over and over. It never fails to soothe me and calm me and ultimately put me to sleep). I consider RLJ, together with Holly Cole and Cassandra Wilson as singers who can make a popular song melodically unrecognizable and make the listener look (hear) at the song with fresh new eyes (ears). Wally, thanks for that tip. Didn't know GIRL AT HER VOLCANO is already available in CD format. Les, I also like RLJ's "Pirates" album, and although I have yet to like "The Magazine", there are songs there that take my breath away. Joseph (looking forward to RLJ's next covers album just like his anticipation for Carly's foray in the standards genre) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:39:06 -0400 From: Matthew Snyder Subject: first records >Name the first record, >1. You owned. -- Sgt. Pepper >2. You bought. --Magical Mystery Tour >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. -- Beethoven, Mozart, Strauss, operattas & opera, My Fair Lady, Bobby Short, Mel Torme, Simon & Garfunkel >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Sgt. Pepper >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours)--Sgt. Pepper (at age 6) What can I say? I listened to the Beatles almost exclusively from age 6 to 13, after which it was Rush and The Police all through high school. Joni had to wait until college. Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:40:07 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll Name the first record, 1. You owned. The Purple People Eater 2. You bought. a 45 called 'Bimbo' - bimbo bimbo, where you gonna go-e-oo....going down the street to see a little girl-e-oo 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. I have never heard my parents playing music and they did not have a stereo. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Aqualung - J. Tull. because of the cool guy on the front and the cool Genesis story on the back. 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) The Outlaws - Green Grass and High Tides - it was my anthem. patrick np. dire straights - private investigations - a very cool song ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:47:58 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: hejira's cover sjc In a message dated 8/27/00 9:27:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << i have been trying to postpone this confession but guilt is eating me alive. joni's ''hejira'' and carole king's ''thoroughbred'' came out more or less simultaneaously .... ....all this to say THAT I TOOK CAROLE KING'S POSTER because it had palm trees and sand and i relinquished joni's!!!!!!! i'll have to live with this all my life. please forgive me brothers and sisters, and especially you, mom. wallyK >> now bless you my son...i can certainly understand your desire to have a picture of palm trees and sand on your bedroom walls. but it was an impure desire at that and you acted upon that desire and hung that picture on your wall. but our god is a good god and forgives you today with a small pennance. you must play the new BSN album three times in succession and say to yourself during each play..i love this album and especially the string arrangements. and please, try to contain your impure thoughts....you may go blind or grow hair on your palms. patrick np. d.s. romeo and julliett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:02:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll NJC <> a GREAT Rocker with an irresistable riff! Nice choice for an anthem! <> From their vastly underrated 'Love Over Gold', which has one of my favorite lines, from "Industrial Disease": "Two men saying they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong" :~) Bob NP: Sarah M, "Witness" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:46:07 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Carole King Poster (NJC) Wally K. wrote "...THAT I TOOK CAROLE KING'S POSTER because it had palm trees and sand and i relinquished joni's!!!!!!!" Still got it? I'll reward you generously for it, in whatever condition!-Chris. NP:Sting's boring new album - a gift. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:51:46 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: RLJ Volcano Rarity NJC Joseph wrote "RLJ also released GIRL AT HER VOLCANO which is mostly old standards, like SOMETHING COOL, MY FUNNY VALENTINE, UNDER THE BOARDWALK, etc. This is her rarest of rare albums and I urge everyone to purchase one if you see a copy. Its like seeing an item you may not see again in your lifetime, or at least, that's how I look at that album and the performances in it. Joseph (who owns a tape of the album but never the CD version)" Just for the record, GAHV was orgonally a 10" record (it's adorable!!!! I'm a lucky owner), and IS available on CD if you look hard enough. It's Japanese only, runs about $25, and can be most easily locayted in Goldmine magazine. -Chris. NP: "Consequences of Falling" - KD Lang. Thank God the Sting CD is over! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:44:22 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Album thread...sjc 1."Tapestry" - Carole King 2. "Let Me Be There" 45 -Olivia Newton-John; I can't remember for sure. It may have been Carpenters "Singles 69-73" or Bette Midler "Divine Miss M.". In any event, they were all purchased around the same time. 3. My parents listened to the pop music of the time, the end of the 60's and beginning of the 70's. Trini Lopez, Herb Alpert, The Lettermen, Bobbie Gentry, Righteous Bros., Friends of Distinction, Jackson 5. More credibly, James Taylor, Carole King, Santana, CSN. As we moved into the 70's, Neil Sedaka, Helen Reddy, Manilow, Barry White, Olivia. Mom had "Blue", and her copy was slightly warped. I remember the way the warped vinyl wiggled on the turntable scared the shit out of me as a little kid - - I thought it was alive or something. She used to play her Manilow 45 of "Mandy" over and over; God that tune depresses me! The she bought "Court & Spark", but seemed to enjoy playing "Help Me" and "FMIP" in succession over and over rather than going for the full LP. 4.It's A Beautiful Day's first LP cover holds a special magic for me. I found the painting intriguing as a kid, and now sometimes use it as wallpaper on my PC, tiled out of course. ;~>. Cream's "Disreali Gears" also. 5. Again, CK's "Tapestry". I couldn't get enough. My pursuit of popular music began when my mom's sister went to Peace Corps. in Africa, 1973 (I was 3 yrs old). She left all the records she gotten through college ('68-'72) stored at our home, and I was all over it. By the following summer of '74, I had my own turntable and a small collection of records that belonged to me (A few Joni in there!). I remember when I saw a TV ad announcing the release of Carole King's "Wrap Around Joy", I cried until my Dad took me to Caldor and bought it for me (same day service, if I recall). All of this said, I've been getting Joni's new releases hot off the press since I was 6, with "Hejira", which I didn't like at the time. Whatever the comfort value a child can adore in the sound of her voice seemed to be missing. Obviously, her art has continued to unfold itself to me in new ways over the years. Each phase of life passes, and Joni's there with a whole new way of seeing things each time. That's a sure sign of good art. Can't say Carole's remained as compelling, but I still collect her and listen often, at least to the Ode catalogue. Hope I didn't bore anyone. -Chris. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:12:58 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Record thread (NJC) 1. You owned. "Love Me Tender" - By Richard Chamberlain (!) 2. You bought. The Victory At Sea soundtrack. 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. My mother played piano a lot. My favorite (bloodthirsty little me) was The Dambuster's March. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. That's tough. I always scrutinized Beatles covers. I *wished* that I could get the English version of Hendrix's "Electric Ladyland"... :) 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Didn't really do that as a teenager....played "Let It Bleed" to death when it came out...the first two albums to be in continuos rotation at home AND in the car were "My Aim Is True" and "This Year's Model", which I bought at the same time in ...'79? I was really pissed off at that time, and Elvis was the perfect soundtrack. Everything means less than zero... Question not asked - what song had a big influence on you when you heard it on the radio? Tom Dooley, by whoever had the hit. That might have prompted a childhood nightmare I had about being hanged that STILL gives me goose bumps. (Shudder!) - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:24:42 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Jonis influence Kate wrote: >pat said, "someone I know could become what she has... a true original who's influence is so broad and deep that much of the musical landscape we have today in many ways is built on her music and without her, wouldn't be there at all!" Amen. When I signed up to sell my CD at CDBaby (very cool company btw) they ask you do choose a genre category. Under folk, one of the sub-genres is "Like Joni"!!!> way cool kate! folk is really a tricky concept and much broader than most people think of it in an antropological sense... blues, for example is a *type* of American music, though not the only one, and is most definitely folk in the truest sense as is appalachian bluegrass, motown and grunge just to name a few... I think it good that cdbaby gives artists a chance to identify with Joni directly and right off as it will certainly promote good things in the world at large, but I mean to say that Joni, in a class utterly and completely by herself, again, a TRUE original, has become such a huge influence at the very base of it all so as to be compared with the tide rather than the currents or the waves... Joni is not only 'in a class by herself' but her brushstrokes are influencing literally all of music at this point and the dividing lines and categories are all melting away... we are all evolving toward her! pat NP: phish on VH1 ps - so how has knowing Joni in my teens affected my musical tastes, you ask? well, I turned 51 friday and I'm falling hard for phish's jams... http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Record thread (NJC) On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Steve Dulson wrote: > Question not asked - what song had a big influence on you > when you heard it on the radio? Tom Dooley, by whoever had That would be The Kingston Trio. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:50:26 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Firsts First owned first bought - one and the same, 45s - Tears of a Clown, Band of Gold (same day) LP - Electric Warrior Parents - Green Island, Green Green Grass of Home, mother liked Rod Stewart during the Maggie May phase - I thought she was so-o-o cool. She still is. Album cover(s) - Fragile, Close to the Edge (I adored Roger Dean's work till Joni sorted me out with THOSL). Repetition - Mud Slide Slim, Blood on the Tracks, Court & Spark, but then again I used to play all my records till there was no groove. I always felt so passionate about everything I bought. T.Rex, early Queen, Sparks for God sake!, Yes, (now they were my fab 5 for a while). I thought I was so arty being into "Close to the Edge" and pretending to be Jon Anderson singing "And You and I" which before long became "... you and I, you and I, you and I, ooooh you and I ... ... eagles in the sky, you and I" Willy the Shake NP - Mountains (Prince, the artist formely known as The Artist) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:52:32 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Attention Labor Day Festers This Just In!! ******************************THIS JUST IN****************************** Hello Labor Day Party Animals- May just called me from Plum Island and tells me the City Council, the Chief of Police, her Abutters (neighbours who are esentially right up her butt so to speak) have all given their blessing for the continuation of the Third Annual New England Labor Day Post Party at Atty May's on beautiful Plum Island. She sounds very excited and could possibly come up on Saturday to Ashara's. Just wanted to let you all know asap. Sorry I had to use the main list cause I am not subscribed to the party list at work. I also did not mark this njc cause I did not want to miss anyone. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:39:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Record thread (NJC) <> Which would be different than a childhood dream of being HUNG, I guess...(rimshot!) Bob NP: Mellencamp, "Emotional Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:59:31 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll njc 1. You owned: Crazy Elephant "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin" 2. You bought.: Monkees "Headquarters" 3. You remember parents or guardians playing: Robert DeCormier Singers "The Folk Album" 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you: The Beatles white album (no joke!) 5. You played over and over (not necessarily yours): Robert DeCormier Singers "The Folk Album" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:43:11 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Firsts > Name the first record, > 1. You owned. Peter and the Wolf, a gift when I was 4. Tried to like and understand it (it was for kids, right?) but it was too harsh sounding for me so I listened to it with great attention several times, but felt like it hurt my ears. I much preferred what was coming out of my little transistor radio. > 2. You bought. Meet the Beatles. Actually, my mom bought it because I so obnoxiously demanded (just had to have it!) that she go to the store and buy it for me the first day it was available since I was way too young to get to the store by myself. I remember the incredible joy I had when she picked me up from school and I held the album and looked at the cover for the first time. My very own, to play anytime, no longer relying on the radio. Aahhh. Don't think she understood. :-) > 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. No records at all. Usually the TV was on and sometimes radio, easy listening stuff and news and weather reports. They told me about watching Perry Como on TV and me singing along so for years they considered me a Perry Como fan. Took a very long time to lose that reputation. One day I found a small stash of records that included the Ink Spots and other dance type records, old 45s, and was amazed that apparently one of them (or both) enjoyed music enough to buy some before I knew them. I always wondered what happened to that pre-children, pre-marriage(?) life of music. > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Revolver is the first one I stared at for a long time trying to make sense of it all and not miss anything. It was so complicated and stark looking at the same time, it intrigued me, and I loved that combination of simple line drawing and photos. > 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) A 45 of the Sounds of Silence, dozens of times the first day I had it, starting early in the morning. The lyrics seemed so profound. And Beatle albums too, laying on the floor with my head next to the little brown record player with feet up on the wall, tapping to the beat (well, only once for that tapping on the wall action since it reverberated throughout the house and made other family members nuts after a few hours). I spent hours, days even, at a time completely entranced by their music. It's interesting remembering those times when music literally swept me away into very enjoyable places. All those sounds made me hopeful and hungry for the bigger world, and thinking about it now, I have to dramatically say that being temporarily transported by the music truly saved my spirit. Powerful stuff. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:09:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Record thread (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: << Question not asked - what song had a big influence on you when you heard it on the radio? >> Tyrone Davis "Turn Back the Hands of Time" Some of the neighbor hood kids and I made up a line dance to that song (Temptations-style), and I got hooked on dancing which gradually led to my short career as a Carol Burnett Show dancer :~) Yes I'm kidding, except the loving to dance part. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Record (now radio) thread (NJC) "Missing You" ... at the time it was a big hit, my best friend's girlfriend died of cancer at 22. He found out from her parents after the fact. She never told him herself. To this day, I can barely get through that song dry-eyed. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:31:02 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: not getting through sorry, folks, this is a test. > From: Les Irvin > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:19:55 -0600 > To: Alison > Subject: Re: not getting through > > At 01:01 PM 8/28/2000, you wrote: >>>> my emails don't seem to be getting through. is there are a problem i don't >>>> know about? > > Hmmm.... try a test post, with a copy to my address, and I'll watch for a > bounce. > Thanks, > Les > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:43:24 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Firsts > > Name the first record, > > > 1. You owned. Disney's "The Lady and the Tramp" on 78rpm with book-turn the page when you hear Lady bark- > > > 2. You bought. Beatles-"Help!" movie soundtrack-a whopping $4.98 because it was stereo ($1 more than mono) AND a soundtrack (add another $1) > > > > 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Dean Martin-Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime, > > > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Nancy Sinatra in bikini on "Sugar" LP > > > 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Beatles "Rubber Soul" RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:51:51 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Firsts "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) > > Todd Rundgren - Hermit of Mink Hollow - Fade Away > > I listened to it all the time at the public library and then at home when they > changed their checkout policy for music. The public library also led to the > discovery of Joni, Jackson Browne and Dave Brubeck. > Yes- thank goddess there was somebody hip buying the records at my local public library. I certainly couldn't afford to buy more than a couple a year. Through the library I was introduced to albums by Joni, Bob Dylan, Charles Mingus, Billie Holiday, David Amram, Tom Paxton, Memphis Slim, The Beatles, The Stones, Simon and Garfunkel, Miles Davis, and lots more I can't think of right now. The first Joni LP I heard all the way through was from the library- LOTC....I bought Blue when it came out, and every one ever since. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:56:45 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:ribbons Opinions on the meaning of the line "Are you gagged by your ribbons?" basically divide into 3. Two people have suggested typewriter ribbons, something I would never have though of, although I am old enough to remember them. :) Another thought they might be parcel ribbons, wrapping the gift of silence, which is a nice idea. Two people mentioned medal ribbons from the many accolades heaped upon this person, possibly forcing him into an embarrassed silence. I think I like the latter best, but who knows? All 3 explanations can be made to fit. I love the song "Talk to me", I think the feel is so neurotic. My take on the person the lines are directed at is that he's someone Joni's just met and wants to get to know. She badly wants to chat and express herself and probably impress him but he's just not responding so she can't make him out. Anger probably is too strong a word but I think she's pretty annoyed by his refusal to play to the game. It's a brilliant song, whatever. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:10:25 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: the first record NJC OWNED: Cinderella (movie soundtrack) BOUGHT: Top 50 Special (begged mom t to order it off TV-Top 40 stuff) PARENTS PLAYING: Dad=anything by Herb Albert & The Tiajuana Brass. MOM= Creedence Clearwater Revival "Bayou Country" COVER ART: The Best of Joni James: I was obsessed with the way they colored her lips in red on the album cover!!! PLAYED OVER AND OVER: Saturday Night Fever Side 1 Peace & Love, Kevin NP: The Moody Blues "Isn't Life Strange" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:01:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RLJ (NJC) I have that album on tape too. Is it available on CD? My favorite song on that album is one of the most stunning songs I have ever heard her do -- Rainbow Sleeves. Joseph wrote: RLJ also released GIRL AT HER VOLCANO which is mostly old standards, like SOMETHING COOL, MY FUNNY VALENTINE, UNDER THE BOARDWALK, etc. This is her rarest of rare albums and I urge everyone to purchase one if you see a copy. Its like seeing an item you may not see again in your lifetime, or at least, that's how I look at that album and the performances in it. Joseph (who owns a tape of the album but never the CD version) ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:03:23 -0600 From: Alison Einerson Subject: Re: firsts (njc) Had to respond to this one, because my own answers (as well as all of yours!) made me giggle... 1. You owned. Harry Nilsson, "The Point" 2. You bought. The Judds, "Why not me?" 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. ALL kinds of Joni, John/Yoko Double Fantasy, Rolling Stones, more Nilsson, Carole King, my dad was really into Santana and the Allman Bros. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. This is undoubtedly "Love Gun" by Kiss. it was so nasty! i was really scarred by it. 5. You played over and over. I had some very diverse tastes at a young age, thanks to a metalhead sister, a cowboy brother and my rock-folkie parents. in heavy rotation at an early age: depeche mode, catching up with... abba (which we taped off the tv on a beta!) motley crue and a whole lot of new wave radio. no wonder i'm such a freak! alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:54:33 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Crocuses to bring to school tomorrow... Hi Gang: I have a funny story about my goddaughter Heather's 10th birthday party yesterday. She's was thrilled with the 2 dozen balloons I had brought her, along with two books: _The Island of the Blue Dolphins_ and _Walk Two Moons_. She was also pretty excited about school starting tomorrow, which is now today. But she was most excited about these 8 baby "tree frogs" she had caught inside a jar. She named them all: Fred, Spotty, Hoppy, and 4 other names I don't recall. But she made it quite clear that one of them was her hands-down favorite, a cutey she calls "Little Green". I was in a bit of shock there for a second or two, looking into her totally innocent baby blues. She had no clue about the song's existence. Next time I go over, I'm going to play it for her. She's a great little musician, playing violin and piano. Who knows, this might be the start of something. Thanks for letting me tell my little anecdote. Now back to your regularly scheduled program... - -Julius NP: "Little Green ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:31:25 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: 100 Firsts NJC With all the answers to the first record played over and over again, I remember this all too well: one summer (when the song was new so it was either 64 or 65) I pondered what it would be like to hear a song played over and over for 100 times, so I borrowed my neighbor's 45 of Wooly Bully by Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and we played it 100 times, in our backyard tent. To prove that there is a divine karma in the world that gets back at you, in 1994 when Tag Team's "Whoomp, there it is" was new, the neighbor kids decided to play that over and over 100 times... they were somewhere in the 60s when I finally went over and yanked it out of their cd player. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:37:27 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - vljc Joniphiles - At the risk of overkill on the "list" threads... over on the Rickie Lee Jones list they have a "If you could invite 8 people to dinner, who would they be?" thread going. Someone (obviously with great taste) posted this list: >1. Caravaggio >2. Da Vinci >3. Michaelangelo >4. Rickie >5. John Kennedy >6. Marilyn Monroe >7. Che Guevera, (Not sure I spelled that right) >8. Joni Mitchell Les NP: John Martyn "The Church With One Bell" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:47:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni song in Rolling Stone movie FYI...from today's Atlanta Constitution: <> - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:58:19 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: first record thread I've been lurking for at least 6 months, but I've been reading the digests today and just love this thread. > Name the first record, > 1. You owned. A yellow plastic Disney 45 (or maybe a 78!) of the Atchison Topeka and the Santa Fe. Don't know who the singers were, but it was definitely a child's record. > 2. You bought. A 45 of 'Windy' by the Association > 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Definitely the Broadway cast album of My Fair Lady. I thought this would show up on more lists. I figured everyone's parents played My Fair Lady over and over and over. My Dad still whistles "I Could Have Danced All Night," probably without realizing it, while he's driving. > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Sergeant Peppers. I remember the day my neighbor bought it, and he had some friends sleep over, and we spent hours looking at that cover. It was the first time I remember seeing the lyrics printed on an album, and I just loved reading the lyrics too. > 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Although I played some old 45s over and over (Windy, The Letter by the Box Tops, some Beatles and Monkees songs), the first record I played over and over compulsively, uncontrollably, because I kept hearing something different every time, was Blue. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:01:39 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - NJC really I'm picking this one up. At my party, seated around a circular table in the order listed: Mary J. Blige Patricia Field John Guare Edward Said Toni Morrison Emile Durkheim Joni Tom Friedland Now--what to serve? - --Michael NP: Memories of Prince Night at a local club last night... - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world." - --Dolly Parton, "Tennessee Homesick Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:09:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - NJC 1. MG 2. Lori fye 3. Pat(siresorrow) 4. Wally K 5. Mark in seattle 6. Sue Cameron 7. Ashara 8. Les(list master) I would like to know these people better. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:01:29 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: entranced by covers All these delightful spins down memory lane, and esp. recalled the "It's a Beautiful Day" cover have made me realize how the matter of: >> 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. is kinda "gone with the wind." It being so much harder to be entranced by the cover of a CD. (How many CD covers does it take to fill up a vinyl cover?) Does anything like this happen now?: >Revolver is the first one I stared at for a long time trying to make sense of it >all and not miss anything. It was so complicated and stark looking at the same >time, it intrigued me, and I loved that combination of simple line drawing and >photos. Or tripping out with that Disraeli Gears cover beneath a strobe light? Working your way through that intense detailed painting on the Santana cover? I think not! Bruce M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:21:33 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests - NJC Holy smokes! Frankly gang, I am truly touched and very honored. What a wonderful thing to find at the end of a hectic day. MG In a message dated 8/28/00 4:17:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << 1. MG 2. Lori fye 3. Pat(siresorrow) 4. Wally K 5. Mark in seattle 6. Sue Cameron 7. Ashara 8. Les(list master) I would like to know these people better. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:39:21 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: ribbons (Talk to Me) In a message dated 8/28/00 1:15:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: << love the song "Talk to me", I think the feel is so neurotic. My take on the person the lines are directed at is that he's someone Joni's just met and wants to get to know. She badly wants to chat and express herself and probably impress him but he's just not responding so she can't make him out. >> You know, I used to agree with the "neurotic" feel to this song. These past 6 or 7 months, I've been developing a different take on it which goes a little something like this: Perhaps the person is not neurotic at all. Perhaps Joni is the one with the "problem" per se. In the song, she even says: "anyway the best of my mind all goes down on the strings and the page." So with all of her talking, what is she really saying that is intimate? Sometimes, intimacy and getting to know someone better comes from just being still and allowing hearts to connect without words. Maybe he is responding but her hollow chatter drowns it all out. Best, MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:02:32 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Lyric Thread Marilyn wrote: <> This is interesting because a couple months ago, I decided to just read Joni's "Complete Poems and Lyrics," straight through. I was struck by how many times she refers to the moon. Right now, I don't have the time to reference all the lyrics, but if you search, there are lots of lines with "moon" in them! Can't wait to see what others come up with. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:23:16 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: (now Hejira) At 01:36 AM 8/28/00 -0700, Kakki wrote: >What I'm still trying to understand is why so many think it is her supreme >crowning achievement. Hi Kakki, Speaking for myself, part of this recognition of Hejira as her crown jewel is because the question, or the concept posed, is to narrow it down to *one* album as the best. I love C&S, FTR, Blue, HOSL, DJRD, et al. But to name just one...yep...Hejira. For me it was the album that allowed me to get into...deeply into...lyrics. Having always been a "music person" before a "lyrics person" it was a revelation for me to be forced to listen intently to the lyrics because the musical arrangements were so sparse and had a sameness. There are moments of incredible melodic beauty as Jaco's bass soars to the lead and Joni's guitar playing perfectly complements the rhythms and the overall feel, but the lack of extensive layering, especially with background and harmony vocals, made me concentrate on what she was saying. I remember reading a review when the album came out where the writer criticized Joni for "chanting rather than singing." I could see what they meant. There were far less vocal gymnastics than she had given us on previous albums. While I have always been aware of the lyrics I was hearing with my music, it took a masterwork like Hejira to show me that song lyrics could be more than just stories or accompaniments. They could conjure up images so vivid that I thought I was there in the places she describes. I was transported, and found the whole album transcendent. And finally, I think much of our enjoyment of particular albums has to do with timing. When did we first hear it and what were we doing? Did it fit in well, feel "right?" Were these happy times or not? Could we use the music to help us feel better, or to embellish already good feelings? This album came out just as I was falling in love and I will always associate it with unbounded feelings of hope. OK, so maybe I was looking for something at the time, and latched on to this album, Hejira, having already been a Joni "convert," but here it is decades later and it's still the one I turn to. I can't imagine that any subsequent album, by any artist, could capture my spirit quite like that one did. Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #471 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?