From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, August 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 469 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [evian ] Re: Cd's of the BSN tour??? [byron bentley ] Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [evian ] Re: (now Hejira) [byron bentley ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #467 [quiff@earthling.co.uk] RE: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Record Thread Poll [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: RE Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [Heather ] Re: NJC lions and dolphins [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Firsts [B Merrill ] Re: (now Hejira) [B Merrill ] Re: RE Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #345 [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] The First [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [Slac ] Tell us how you REALLY feel! [Michael Paz ] BSN copies (NJC) [Michael Paz ] sorry, but does this work? [alex crispin ] Room for Rent (NJC) [Slac ] Re: (now Hejira) ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC ["star sailor" ] harry's house [alex crispin ] Re: (now Hejira) [B Merrill ] Jonis influence ["Kate Bennett" ] Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] The first record you... [Liz Kemp ] FIRSTS [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: Record Thread Poll ["cassy" ] Re:Album thread ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: harry's house [B Merrill ] Re: Record Thread Poll ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Old Lady of the Year [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] hejira's cover sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Lyrical Thingy-ma-bobber-shingding-Record-mind throw NJC [FredNow@aol] Re: Firsts NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Say WHA'??? NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Say WHA'??? NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Record Thread Poll ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Firsts NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:19:02 -0600 From: evian Subject: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) Name the first record, 1. You owned. Hmmm, probably this K-tel one called "Right On" with this groovy lady on the cover, and I can't think of the artists for most of the songs, but I can still sing them in my head, I played it so much -- my favorite was something about the best disco in town, and another one about boogying with your baby in the back row of the movie show. I still have it somewhere. 2. You bought. This shitty April Wine record I bought in grade one because Elton was sold out. 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Carpenter's Greatest Hits, and whoever sang Blue Spanish Eyes. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Fleetwood Mac's Mystery to Me. Also, Leo Sayer's freaky hair on Endless Flight or whatever it was called made me stare. 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, Sat. Night Fever Soundtrack, Boston, Rafferty's City to City -- all in grade 3. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:25:38 -0700 From: byron bentley Subject: Re: Cd's of the BSN tour??? Herbie Hancock was also at the San Francisco show, and I think Mark Isham as well. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hi Blair, > > I've got the following BSN '00 shows on CD: > > LA 05/12 > San Francisco 05/13 > NY 05/22 > Washington 05/25 > Hartford 05/27 > Boston 05/28 > Chicago 05/28 > Philly 06/02 > > Which one's the best? A REALLY tough call! Soundwise, they are all on equal > footing. The setlist is identical for all of them. As usual, there are > "moments" in different shows that are standouts. NY & LA shows feature Mark > Isham & Herbie Hancock, but Wallace Roney on trumpet is the musical star on > them IMO and he's on all the shows. > > So, just go : > > "Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe > Bob, send me the ???? show"! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Lucinda, "Come To Me, Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:37:41 -0600 From: evian Subject: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) Jason Maloney wrote: > First owned: aside from kids or disney stuff, it would be What Is Love? > by Howard Jones, 12" single (1983). First album would be Thompson Twins, > Into The Gap (1984). > Oh God Jason, you always make me walk down memory lane!! I keep forgetting what a big deal it was to buy a 12" single -- was a lot of cash for me when I was 13 and 14! I can still remember begging my mother for the 10 bucks to buy Madonna's "Angel/Into the Groove" 12", and Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam with Full Force's "I Wonder if I Take You Home." And Howard Jones.... I can still remember buying Human's Lib and saying "This guy is so fucking cool!" back in grade 8... LOL! And I think I wore out "Into the Gap" too! I love these threads! Gonna dust off the Howard Jones tomorrow! Rob np: Tony Carey "Some Tough City" - anyone else remember this one? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:44:22 -0700 From: byron bentley Subject: Re: (now Hejira) Since the cover of Hejira is being discussed, I'll add that I remember an album reviewer describing the cover and suggesting that she was holding her cigarette like a dagger. I do not remember who wrote that or where I read it, and I don't know why it stuck with me; I guess it seemed dramatic at the time. Mark or Travis wrote: > > My impression of her on the cover, this is from memory, was how she > was > > looking so spectral & sexless (witchy?) in the dry western > landscape, in a > > way that very deliberately concealed & removed herself from her > doting > > audience-- quite the opposite of the moist Hissing bikini shot. > > Interesting. I never viewed her photo on the Hejira cover that way. > I always thought of it as a glamour shot. It has an almost > air-brushed look to it. Certainly not sexless with those luminous > eyes, marvelous cheek-bones & full lips. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:53:56 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: quiff@earthling.co.uk Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #467 - --15098758.967366436178.JavaMail.nobody@www-a29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Name the first record, >1. You owned. All kinds of stuff - Disney songs, cheap re-recordings of crappy 70's pop, The Wizard of Oz soundtrack, popular TV themes... >2. You bought. Texas: White On Blonde >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. My Dad played me Rubber Soul. A lot. >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Sgt. Pepper - so much to see! >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) The Smiths: Strangeways Here We Come But I had a big musical head-revolution last year when I started listening to music from my local library. I was stuck on Gladys Knight and Pet Shop Boys for most of my life till then. Now I like all kinds of music that nobody (my parents, my friends, my boyfriend) has ever heard of! - -Nick Feeling a little smug Your email address says a lot about you. Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=393 - --15098758.967366436178.JavaMail.nobody@www-a29-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:05:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) oh mark!!!! how VERY salacious! by the way, i still can't get over the fact that you won't be at ashara's. i would have loved to meet you again this year. oh do change your mind!!! wallyK > > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. > The one that sparked my interest the most, I have to admit, was the > Rolling Stones 'Sticky Fingers'. (even though I never did & still > don't like the Stones) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:27:54 +0800 From: "Australian Seashells" Subject: Re: Your record tread poll - NJC Name the first record, 1. You owned - My brother only ever owned 3 pop records and lost interest in them quickly, hence they simultaneously became mine: Living In The Past by Jethro Tull Selling England By The Pound by Genesis and a compilation album, incl. T. Rex and a song called: "It never Rains In Southern California" - the rest is drowned in oblivion... 2. You bought - Abba: Arrival (I was 11.) 3. You remember parents or guardians playing: The Christmas Oratorio, by Bach. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you: Pink Floyd's album with the purple cow on the cover, derisingly labelled "milk-pail music" by my dad. Loved it. 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours): See 1 - I had no money to buy anything different... How awful! How could I escape my fate with beginnings like these? In retrospect I find that I'm still a sucker for Ian Anderson, still can't help a fondness for British "art rock (?)" and grow misty eyed when somebody puts "Dancing Queen" on (frequently: I live in Australia). To my eternal shame I can't even remember who sang that song about California, although that surely must have opened a little side gate for the likes of The Eagles and American "westcoast sound"... If I ever do produce offspring, he/she will get LOTS of pocket money and a sound musical education, this I promise - let's hope it'll help. "The generals offered no apologies. What does that mean? Good friends you and me. Willy the Shake" - - Doesn't that refer to that incident on Okinawa when GI's from a US base raped a local schoolgirl? Cheers, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:25:46 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: quiff@earthling.co.uk Subject: Re: (now Hejira) - --9834212.967368346871.JavaMail.nobody@www-a29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> My impression of her on the cover, this is from memory, was how she >was >> looking so spectral & sexless (witchy?) in the dry western >landscape, in a >> way that very deliberately concealed & removed herself from her >doting >> audience-- quite the opposite of the moist Hissing bikini shot. > >Interesting. I never viewed her photo on the Hejira cover that way. >I always thought of it as a glamour shot. It has an almost >air-brushed look to it. Certainly not sexless with those luminous >eyes, marvelous cheek-bones & full lips. > Well, keeping with the feel of the album, I was had this feeling (with her pose) of her turning to say something confidentially to the listener. All wrapped up in furs against the cold (and with a picture on top of that) she looks like she's hiding from the outside. I had this suggestion that she'd run away from everything (as in Black Crow) and that 'we' have just caught up with her. She looks beautiful, true, but it's a sad beauty (look at how the paleness of her face resonates with the icy backdrop) and consequntly she seems more of "a store-front mannequin" (sorry, couldn't resist it) than before. - - Nick "I'm stalking a fan, he's gone to the record store He's bought a CD by some other girl not me He's taken her home and taking her out of her box He's putting her on and dancing around in his socks" - - Treachery, Kirsty MacColl Your email address says a lot about you. Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=393 - --9834212.967368346871.JavaMail.nobody@www-a29-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:43:16 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) CC wrote: >Name the first record, >1. You owned. >2. You bought. >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) It's a little hard to remember to be honest, but I'll give it a try, since it's such a great thread! >1. You owned. Probably Abba - Arrival - I was NUTS about Abba when I was about 7 or 8. I remember riding my tricycle around the back yard singing "Knowing Me, Knowing You". But I also had a Sesame Street album, and another called something like "Songs for Children". >2. You bought. I think it was either Carole King - Rhymes and Reasons (after getting Tapestry for my 11th birthday) or possibly Shona Laing - Shooting Stars Are Only Seen At Night, which I also bought around the same time. >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. This is a hard one, because they played so much, but Dad was a big Gilbert and Sullivan fan, and also played Tom Lehrer a lot. With Mum it would have been something classical, but I have no idea what! I also remember hearing Fiddler On The Roof a lot. Dad also played Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth which amazed me and my brother (it was far too "modern" for a parent to like)! >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Abba - Arrival. Those gleaming white jumpsuits in the cockpit of the helicopter! >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Carole King - Tapestry, Abba - Arrival and Peter and the Wolf (the wolf part always scared me, though). Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:21:31 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) Rob writes: (and I can say that 2 times fast...) >>Oh God Jason, you always make me walk down memory lane!! I keep forgetting what a big deal it was to buy a 12" single -- was a lot ofcash for me when I was 13 and 14! I can still remember begging mymother for the 10 bucks to buy Madonna's "Angel/Into the Groove" 12", Walk down memory lane? Sheesh! Some of these memories are making me feel as though I should shuffle down memory lane with a cane! By the time of "Into the Groove," I already had one kid, was working two part time jobs and going to college full time. Where is that energy now??? This is a great thread! MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:05:39 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll Name the first record, 1. You owned. Paul Revere and the Raiders 2. You bought. Same 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Peter Paul and Mary's first album. I was 6 or 7 years old, and they had just gotten back from a weekend in New York. They put on a brand new record of this unknown trio they had just seen at the Gaslight in Greenwich Village. As soon as I heard those incredibly beautiful harmonies, I started BAWLING!!!!!! My soul was just so filled with the beauty of that sound, it just spilled over, and the floodgates were open. To this day, that memory is so clear, and when I went to a PP&M concert several months ago, I cried through the whole thing. (God, what a mush!) 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Definitely Joni's first album. (I don't DARE try to say the name!) There was so much to look at in it! 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) This one is also a very vivid memory. It was Strawberry Fields Forever. I had just gotten one of those record players that was like a "box" and this record, and I played that 45 over and over and over again. I swear, I must have played it (real loud) about 50 times!!!!! Finally, my dad knocked on my door, and said, "Do you think you might be able to listen to a different record now?" LOL!!! He must have been a saint to have waited that long!! Thanks so much for the trip down Memory Lane! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:03:30 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: RE Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) Ok .... I'm in on this ..... >Name the first record, > >1. You owned. >Tchaikowsky's The Nutcracker, Op. 71 - the complete ballet. My parents >gave it to me for my 4th birthday. I still have it. >2. You bought. One of the first records by the Monkees. I don't have those records anymore. Plus I acquired a bunch of 45's. Suzie Q - CCR Classical Gas - (can't remember right now who did this) Incense and Peppermint - Strawberry Alarm Clock Aquarius - 5th Dimension Reach Out - 4 Tops The Happening - Supremes Southern Nights - Glen Campbell Walk Away Renee - Left Banke >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Nat King Cole, Patsy Cline, and sometimes whatever was on the radio. Also Strauss waltzes. My father had a beautiful, rich tenor voice. He used to sing 'Unforgetable' to me all the time. >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Sticky Fingers - Rolling Stones. Brain Salad Surgery - ELP >5. You played over and over. For the Roses - Joni Mitchell Christmas & the Beads of Sweat - Laura Nyro Chicago Transit Authority Electric Ladyland - Jimi Hendrix Lead Zepplin's 1st LP Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:05:31 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC lions and dolphins Pat, What an incredibly beautiful story, and helps me to remember in my franctic getting ready for Jonifest, to not be in such a hurry. It will all get done......or it won't. In the long run, it is so much more important to stop and smell the roses. Thanks so much for that birthday gift. I loved your story, and it meant a lot to me. Thank you also to everyone who sent me such beautiful birthday greetings. Feeling much loved this Sunny Sunday, Hugs, Ashara Patrick wrote: << a few years ago Ashara, who probably doesn't remember this,sent me a message about her love of dolphins. >> earlier this summer i was out in the early morning running. i went out to the dock which floats on top of a tidal stream that is near the ocean an therefore brackish. the tide was high and i stopped for a minute out there and just look at things. i sat down on the dock and it was still dark, maybe around 5:30 am. a big boat was coming really fast down the stream. big like....50 feet big. i was so impressed with it that i just sat there and watched. then i realized, that big fucking boat was not going to slow down. and there i was on a dock that is about 7 feet wide and about 100 feet long and floats with telephone poles piercing it every 20 feet. i was half way out on the dock and there was no way to get off with out jumping in and i didn't want to do that cause i had on running shoes and a walkman, so i jumped up and grabbed onto a telephone pole with both arms and just held on. the wake was huge and the dock was rocking so hard i almost fell in. the thing must have raised the dock a good five feet. finally it settled down again and i yelled at the guy but he was long gone. i think i called him a big boat jerkoff...you know, from holding on to the pole like that. it was so distressing of an experience that i just stood there for a minute. then all of a sudden, i heard this ...woosshhh. and i looked to the water and there was a dolphin. then there was another one and even another one. three of them swimming almost 5 miles inland from the ocean in a tidal stream in water that was about 30 feet deep at high tide. they came right up to the edge of the dock and i knelt down and could have touched them if they would have kept still long enough. i walked them all the way down to the end of the dock and watched them swim off. then i thought that if i had not gone out early that morning to run, and i had not gone on the dock, and i had not stopped to look around, and i had not admired that big boat too long, and i had not held on to the pole, and i had not stood there for an extra minute, i would never have seen the three dolphins. and then all that made me think of this canticle in the 3rd chapter of Daniel.... you dolphins and water creatures, bless the lord. and then that made me think of ashara. happy birthday ashara, amelia, kakki, and every other leo out there on this list. patrick np. dire straits love over gold >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:29:07 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Firsts > Name the first record, >1. You owned. When you're little, and have older siblings, ownership is a loose conception. But I think that "Run, Redfox, Run" would qualify. Kids songs on old colored plastic 78's. >2. You bought. A 45 by the Coasters. Probably Yakkety Yak or Charlie Brown. >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Folk songs from eastern Europe. And then also their listening to opera (over the radio) on weekends. >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Cool hyper-blue cover of the first 1964 Moody Blues US album, where they're standing beneath the windmill. This is the original, pre-mellotron Moodies, the ones that were lead by Denny Laine, and had their one hit wonder with "Go Now." A remarkable eclectic under-appreciated group. >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) I only did this late in life, while obsessed with love for a certain woman. It was a 45. Say no more, Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:06:19 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: (now Hejira) Bru: >> My impression of her on the cover, this is from memory, was how she >was >> looking so spectral & sexless (witchy?) in the dry western >landscape, in a >> way that very deliberately concealed & removed herself from her >doting >> audience-- quite the opposite of the moist Hissing bikini shot. Mark: >Interesting. I never viewed her photo on the Hejira cover that way. >I always thought of it as a glamour shot. It has an almost >air-brushed look to it. Certainly not sexless with those luminous >eyes, marvelous cheek-bones & full lips. My mistake, Mark. Thanks for reminding me. As I said, this is from memory, and my memory was focused upon the medium shot, on the inside or the back... where she looks bat-like & spectral, with her clothes swirling around. At the time, that struck me as a more interesting, more unusual and more revealing presentation of herself than then predictable cover glam shot. While Hejira is intense, after Hissing, it also involves a contraction of subject matter, to focus on Joni essentially, and a contraction of her musical palate, her colors. This is why Jaco is so important, because the blooming of his amazing lyrical bass counters the diminishing of color: both the reduced palette of the music & the B&W photography. Bruce PS Re "talk to me," >This has always been my take on this song too. The whole thing is >light-hearted and Joni pokes fun at herself as well as Mr. Mystery. I >never detected anger in this song. But surely there's a note of exasperation, at least, one that includes both her needy yakking self and the taciturn Mr. Mystery. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:32:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) << Classical Gas - (can't remember right now who did this) >> Mason Williams...he was also a writer for The Smothers Brothers show, and they used to play this record on their show with a rapid-fire photo montage...I thought it was way cool, of course that show was ahead of its time anyway... Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" (Demo) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:55:48 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #345 RE: First 1. you owned - Meet the Beatles 2. you bought - 45rpm, I Want to Hold Your Hand 3. parents playing - The Platters - Smoke Gets in Your Eyes, Patsy Cline - Crazy, and Connie Francis ( Dad was in love with her) 4. cover art - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club 5. played over and over - Beach Boys - Pet Sounds JOE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:36:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: The First > > > 1. you owned 45 rpm Shoop Shoop Song by Betty Everett. > > 2. you bought Big Girls Don't Cry > > 3. parents playing Frank Sinatra - Here's That Rainy Day > > 4. cover art - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club > > 5. played over and over Funny Girl Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:36:58 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) Okay CC let's regress ;~) > Name the first record, > 1. You owned. Don MacLean AMERICAN PIE > 2. You bought. Joni Mitchell COURT AND SPARK and BLUE > 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Nil for my father: when he wasn't singing I FOUND MY THRILL ON BLUEBERRY HILL he played the radio... Mother: Soundtrack to SOUND OF MUSIC > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. The Moody Blues LONG DISTANCE VOYAGER > 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Micheal Jackson's single BEN. - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:31:33 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Tell us how you REALLY feel! John NOT rich wrote: " Well, I was half way into lala land, full and comfy from playing katsup with the digest... and a bit woosy from a long drawing session. Then Rube's woke me up BIG TIME with the following: "I've always thought that 'Hejira' was less musically adventurous than Hissing or Don Juan or even Court and Spark and therefore less interesting. it is more sophisticated than the records that came before Hissing but aside from Jaco, I could never see what was particularly new or innovative about it. Rubes baby! Yer breakin' my heart man. Besides it's grandness as the finest poetry ever to grace popular song, there is a wealth of innovation in her music here. This album was composition AT ITS BEST and then some. First, Joni is at the apex of finding weird chords to express and color her emotion. Those two opening chords to Hejira alone make this recording phenominal beyond belief. How, who could be more innovative, creative or expressive than what the opening rift of Hejira brings to the table. I remember the first time I heard those notes, I inhaled deeply, knowing something rare and special was about to pour out of my speakers. It's one thing to take a guitar, fiddle with the strings and invent a new open tuning. But to take that tuning and hear something strikingly original with it, fiddle, fuss and arrange with different fingerings to come up with that brilliant, haunting, beautiful piece of music... Wow. Can one call perfection innovation? Secondly, Joni's playing has come to it's ultimate maturity with this album. Rhythmically, she spaces the chordal play in a way that gives great breath to the poetry in the song. One review at the time refered to it as her 'free' chords and I couldn't agree more. This is where her connection to jazz inflections really comes into play. She is no longer anchored to the rock beat in her music. It's far more fluid and senuous playing. Although lacking the complex picking of her early work, her play here is far more complex and sophisticated. Even though much of it is a 'wash' and strum approach . This spareness of playing was certainly 'new' to my ears the first time I heard this baby. The rhythms of this disk is amazingly effective and innovative. Coyote is a class unto itself. It is 'uptempo' rock, but the rhythms stack in a way you would never hear anywhere else from anyone else. This song was an anthem for me for years. The musician as artist/poet, stepping out of the 'bounds' of popular song to create something fresh and very, very innovative. Even 'without' jaco, and jaco brings much to the table, this song stands far away and above typical pop rock. Ok, Joni has not stepped deeply into Jazz at this point, and there are a number of turns she will take now that she has moved in with more 'masterful' players who will extend her musical journey. And on those accounts one might see 'growth or change that is on the surface 'innovative.' But to my ears, everything Joni's sound will come to be and represent is fully arrived at here for the first time. She goes on to create a lot of beautiful music afterwards. She even manages to make one sit up and go... ????? But there is nadda in Joni arc as a composer that is more innovative, moving, or more successful than what came together to make this album. All that and a GORGEOUS package too!!! No wonder I love this woman." John- Good to hear from you. But really John tell us how you really feel about this masterpiece. I couldn't agree more or in laymans terms, ME TOO!!!! I am trying to come to terms with the fact that this has always been the best record for me (along with FTR) and I can play MOST of the songs on Hejira now, thanks to Bob, who is the pushing force behind me learning Blue Motel Room and Furry Sings the Blues BEFORE JoniFest. How is your guitar Joni guitar playing coming? How do you like my patches? How do you like your Parker? How about bringing your Parker up to Topsfield so I can play it next weekend? Best, Michael NP-Chaos and Disorder-Prince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:35:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: BSN copies (NJC) Blair wrote: " Does anyone have any copies of any of the shows from the Both sides Now tour that they wouldnt mind burning me a copy? I would compensate for the postage, etc. I am just interested. I would like to have one as a keepsake. If not, that is awesome too. I would just wait for a new tree to sprout." Hi Blair- I have a few of these shows and would be happy to burn for ya. Which show in particular are you interested in? IT IS TIME FOR A NEW TREE ISN'T IT?? Come on ROOTS lets get one going!! Michael NP-I Like It There-Prince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:17 +0100 From: alex crispin Subject: sorry, but does this work? i seem not to be getting my mails back to me, they should right? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:51:36 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Room for Rent (NJC) Vancouver Island Canada, approx 1 hr 15 minutes to Victoria and 45 minutes to Nanaimo. 1 bdrm in creekside two bdrm cottage close to beach, park, shops...fenced back yard, laundry facilites, gas fireplace. Smoker okay, Pet negotiable. Harley parking in house possible if you build your own ramp to get her in...$300 a month. - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:56:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (now Hejira) > My mistake, Mark. Thanks for reminding me. As I said, this is from memory, > and my memory was focused upon the medium shot, on the inside or the > back... where she looks bat-like & spectral, with her clothes swirling > around. Are you thinking of the photo on the sleeve? I love that one! I always figured she was dressed as the black crow. There is also a sense that she is up there 'in clouds at icy altitudes' and lost in that loftiness. I also imagine that she is just about to look 'down on everthing' and crash 'into his arms'. I can see how you get the feeling you ascribe to it. But again that face is so amazing to me, this time framed by that close-fitting cap of black feathers that it is marvelously beautiful. Or maybe you're thinking of the one on the inside of the jacket where she's dressed in the same outfit but this time she's on the ice, skating after 'golden Reggie' who is off in the distance. > While Hejira is intense, after Hissing, it also involves a contraction of > subject matter, to focus on Joni essentially, and a contraction of her > musical palate, her colors. This is why Jaco is so important, because the > blooming of his amazing lyrical bass counters the diminishing of color: > both the reduced palette of the music & the B&W photography. > I would certainly agree with this assessment. And I would also say that a diminished pallate can produce stunning results and with Hejira it certainly, unarguably, unquestionably did. But I have never been comfortable with saying it is Joni's greatest achievement. She's grown so much since then and I just think it's a discredit to her to say that everything she has done since that record is not as good or better. > Bruce > > PS Re "talk to me," > >This has always been my take on this song too. The whole thing is > >light-hearted and Joni pokes fun at herself as well as Mr. Mystery. I > >never detected anger in this song. > > But surely there's a note of exasperation, at least, one that includes both > her needy yakking self and the taciturn Mr. Mystery. But anger? I don't hear that. But then again, I always thought Mr. Mystery was somebody she had just met. She's curious and a little drunk and is trying to cajole this guy out of his defensive silence. The song ends with her making fun of herself 'shut me up and talk to me/I'm always talkin'/chicken squawkin'' She seems to be taking some of the blame on herself for the one-sided nature of the conversation. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:36:00 EDT From: "star sailor" Subject: NJC i would like to thank everyone who replied to me about american indian music. so helpful! i cought joni on the webcast of woodstock a few years back. even on a small computer screen she still looked and sounded great. i saw that burlap like dress in sears a week later and nearly bought it...unfortunatly for me - she carries herself better and has more class than i... other than that, i only listen to my old joni albums. she lost me i guess somewhere in the late 70s when i got married. i havent even listened to new joni stuff i'm sorry to admit. anything that could bring me back to the early days??? i read your reviews about bsn on that box set and drool tho...i now regret missing her last '99 gig. anyway evolution is good. its just me i guess. thanks again everyone!!! love, M _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:52:19 +0100 From: alex crispin Subject: harry's house Hello, does anyone know or think they know about the meaning of Harry's House (THOSM), I feel it might be along the lines of, an executive harry?, wanting what he cant have, or somebody wanting what harry already has? Any ideas? Alex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:43:42 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: (now Hejira) >> and my memory was focused upon the medium shot, on the inside or the >> back... where she looks bat-like & spectral, with her clothes >swirling around. >Or maybe you're thinking of the one on the inside of the jacket where >she's dressed in the same outfit but this time she's on the ice, >skating after 'golden Reggie' who is off in the distance. I'm pretty sure that's the one, like a tense witch on skates is how I recall it. And I forgot all about 'golden reggie." Sorry, reggie! >> While Hejira is intense, after Hissing, it also involves a >contraction of >> subject matter, to focus on Joni essentially, and a contraction of >her >> musical palate, her colors. This is why Jaco is so important, >because the >> blooming of his amazing lyrical bass counters the diminishing of >color: >> both the reduced palette of the music & the B&W photography. >I would certainly agree with this assessment. And I would also say >that a diminished pallate can produce stunning results and with Hejira >it certainly, unarguably, unquestionably did. But I have never been >comfortable with saying it is Joni's greatest achievement. She's >grown so much since then and I just think it's a discredit to her to >say that everything she has done since that record is not as good or >better. One of Joni's great appeals lies in the way so many of her albums hold together, in style, instrumentation, atmosphere, and content. Even Hissing! Therefore her audience can seize upon them as distinct works. "I'm in my Don Juan's Reckless Daughter period!"-- they might say. Just as Joni went through an intense DJRD period when she was making it-- altho active, not receptive, as we fans are. So the albums are neither so eclectic as to defy being grasped as consistent, nor are they just a cranking out of the same old Joni, whereby they might all run together. Every child is different. Yes? PS Re "talk to me," >> >This has always been my take on this song too. The whole thing is >> >light-hearted and Joni pokes fun at herself as well as Mr. Mystery. >I never detected anger in this song. >> But surely there's a note of exasperation, at least, one that >includes both >> her needy yakking self and the taciturn Mr. Mystery. >But anger? I don't hear that. But then again, I always thought Mr. >Mystery was somebody she had just met. She's curious and a little >drunk and is trying to cajole this guy out of his defensive silence. >The song ends with her making fun of herself 'shut me up and talk to >me/I'm always talkin'/chicken squawkin'' She seems to be taking some >of the blame on herself for the one-sided nature of the conversation. Yes, and do you think that during the frustration and the humor of that moment she was thinking, planning: I'm going to turn this into a song. (?) If you're as clever as Joni, then you can turn the dross of an evanescent drunken yak session with some lout who didn't give back in return into a wonderful song! Let's all start doing the same, tomorrow. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:47:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jonis influence pat said, "someone I know could become what she has... a true original who's influence is so broad and deep that much of the musical landscape we have today in many ways is built on her music and without her, wouldn't be there at all!" Amen. When I signed up to sell my CD at CDBaby (very cool company btw) they ask you do choose a genre category. Under folk, one of the sub-genres is "Like Joni" !!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:47:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) >Name the first record, >1. You owned. My first album was the first one from The Beach Boys--a present from my Dad. >2. You bought. Probably Meet the Beatles >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Broadway stuff like Oliver, Sound of Music, Madame Butterfly >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. The Moody Blues- the one with the mandala thingy on it. I stared at it hoping to enter a meditative state & reach enlightenment! Also The Doors first album- I bought it never having heard of them but based on the cover & name of the band. >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Dr. John The Night Tripper- opened up a whole new world for me! ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Kemp Subject: The first record you... >Name the first record, >1. You owned. --Beatles 45- 'I want to Hold Your Hand' >2. You bought. --Bonnie Raitt 'Give it Up' >3. You remember parents or guardians playing. --Stan Kenton 'Live' >4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you.Joni 'Miles Of Aisles ' >5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours)--The Woodstock Concert LP Liz _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:09:49 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: FIRSTS First I bought: Surrealistic Pillow 1969 Woolworth's. First owned: I took over my brother's Moby Grape & Disraeli Gears when he went to Viet Nam. I was 14. 1967 I think What my parents listened to: Mario Lanza , Caruso Cover art that blew me away: Brain Salad Surgery - ELP!! . Also those Yes & Uriah Heap covers - by Roger Dean I think was his name. I also adored the King Crimson cover with the huge drawing of a big face and wide open mouth. What I listened to over & over : Blonde on Blonde, Cheap Thrills Peg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:47:22 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll 1. You owned. Chris Montez - Let's Dance 2. You bought. Same 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. We didn't own a Television until I was 12 or 13 yrs old, we listened to the radio for family entertainment, Sunday afternoon with Jimmy Clitheroe was a treat! The records my mum and dad listened to were by artists like - Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, Andy Williams, Elvis Presley, Peggy Lee, and Matt Monroe among a multitude of others. 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. That zipper on "Sticky Fingers" was a point of interest for a long time :) along with the lion's face on "Santana" which were actually people's faces. There was also a pretty awesome cover for a band called Caravan in the 70's the album was "In the land of the Grey and Pink," and I liked the art on the cover of Fleetwood Mac's "Then Play On." 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Blue, For the Roses, the Beatles "White Album" and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:01:14 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re:Album thread Name the first record, 1. You owned. The Supremes 2. You bought. Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells a Story 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Bacharach/Warwick, Herb Alpert & the Tijuanna Brass, Showtunes (most cheesy of which was Flower Drum Song) 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. The Beatles - Revolver 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) Joni Mitchell - my sister's copy of Blue that started it all for me Sue Cameron NP: crickets minus night ride home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:07:34 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: harry's house >does anyone know or think they know about the meaning of Harry's House >(THOSM), I feel it might be along the lines of, an executive harry?, wanting >what he cant have, or somebody wanting what harry already has? >Any ideas? Harry has what he wants, he's got the job, the money, the house, and he's "reeled" in that sexy dripping shining beauty emerging from the pool. RATHER, she is now the one who doesn't have what she wants: "Nothing's Any good!" she wails. (Nothing??) But what does she want? For starters, she wants to dispose of Harry's take home pay. In the long run, I suspect she doesn't know. - --wail on whaler, Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:22:08 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll Name the first record, 1. You owned. Worst Of Jefferson Airplane 2. You bought. Same 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Dean Martin, Connie Francis, Lawrence Welk 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Revolver (Beatles) 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) "they're coming to take me away" ha ha ho ho he he Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:12:19 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Old Lady of the Year Thanks for the research Steve. How quaint that hippie speak seems now. Not many girlfriends answer to "old lady" anymore. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:13:39 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Your Record Thread Poll (NJC) 1. The Monkees - Daydream Believer 2 The Herd - From The Underworld 3. Aker Bilk - Stranger On the Shore (Mum) Dad never played records. When he wanted to hear something he just sang it himself or played it on the piano. 4. Electric Ladyland 5. Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower Philip NP Badly Drawn Boy - Once Around The Block ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:23:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: hejira's cover sjc i have been trying to postpone this confession but guilt is eating me alive. joni's ''hejira'' and carole king's ''thoroughbred'' came out more or less simultaneaously in buenos aires [ck's album was one year late, for some reason.] in those years, when a record came out, the ''disquerías'' [record stores] received a large poster reproducing the cover of the album. so the guy at the record store had these two gorgeous posters: carole riding a horse on a beach at sunset and, well, hejira's, for god's sake. that summer, i was turning 15 so i was ''re-decorating '' my room . i was taking down all the covers of the carpenters' singles and putting up ''cool'' posters. i had posters with the covers of ''close to the edge'', ''relayer'' and ''brain salad surgery'' that i had bought from a mail catalogue [you weren't in argentina in the 70's. you couldn't know how enterprising of me it was to send for those posters and brave the police!!!] anyway i asked the guy at the record store if i could have hejira's and carole's posters when he was done with them. he said that he had to send them back to the local distributors but that he could pretend that one of them had been damaged and he'd thrown it away. he could let me have it, but i could choose only ONE. well, it's never sunny in buenos aires. in this city we all have an obsession with beaches and beach life. although summer is nightmarishly hot and humid, our beaches are cold and we have probably one solid month of sunshine in january to go to the beach and really enjoy it despite the ice cold water. all this to say THAT I TOOK CAROLE KING'S POSTER because it had palm trees and sand and i relinquished joni's!!!!!!! i'll have to live with this all my life. please forgive me brothers and sisters, and especially you, mom. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:42:03 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: RE: Lyrical Thingy-ma-bobber-shingding-Record-mind throw NJC "Blair Fraipont" wrote: >>realizing how bad the beatles >>really were Say WHA'??? - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:59:44 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Firsts NJC "Kakki" wrote: >>NP: Fred Simon - Blackbird Wow ... ultra cool! I've never seen myself as an "NP" before. Love it. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:14:39 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Say WHA'??? NJC Fred, did someone say that? I must have missed that. May God have mercy on their soul! I didn't count, but it sure seemed the "Meet the Beatles" was the most often cited first record owned/bought. That speaks to (1) how old we all are and (2) what great taste we have. But I am stunned that anyone would say what you quote. Tell me it is out of context! (the Rev) Vince FredNow@aol.com wrote: > "Blair Fraipont" wrote: > > >>realizing how bad the beatles > > >>really were > > Say WHA'??? > > -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:08:02 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Say WHA'??? NJC In a message dated 8/27/00 9:00:03 PM, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: >But I am stunned that anyone would say what you quote. Tell me it is >out of context! Not really ... here's the whole message: >>First Owned: The Beach Boys "LIVE" -(a cheap old cassete of some >>1965 live album with only half the songs on it from the original LP" >>First Bought: 10,000 Maniacs unplugged (i didnt get Into music or >>buy it until i was 13) >>What parents played: NOthing. My parents only listened to the radio. >>So, all my nostaglia harks back to music like Phil Collins, The >> thompson twins, other 80's music ..while swimming in our pool as a >>kid >>Album Cover:The Mothers of Invention "were only in it for the money" >>I bought this when i was 16 and couldnt get over the cover..and the >> satirization of the Sgt. Peppers cover..and realizing how bad the >>beatles really were...esp. compared to the MOthers" >>over and Over: Never had one as a kid.. :) I cant think I mean, I dig Zappa and The Mothers, but, like I said ... wow - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:06:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Record Thread Poll > 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. > > That zipper on "Sticky Fingers" was a point of interest for a long time :) I'm *so* glad I wasn't the only one! LOL! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:18:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Firsts NJC << Wow ... ultra cool! I've never seen myself as an "NP" before. Love it. >> I didn't list it because I wasn't online, but I thoroughly enjoyed "SOMY" while I was reclining on the sofa this afternoon...just the thing for some daydreaming! Even my wife, who doesn't notice music much, asked me who I was listening to, and said that it was very nice... Bob NP: Ben Folds Five, "Video Killed The Radio Star" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #469 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?