From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #457 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, August 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 457 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Choosing Your Next Joni [Slac ] Re: Coyote - why a defector? [Slac ] facelift ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Comfort in melancholy ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Studio albums - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Studio albums - NJC ["Kakki" ] they're here! [catman ] Re: Stills (was Studio albums) - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie [Deb Messling ] David CrosbyNJC [catman ] Re: Hinton etc [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: facelift ["Victor Johnson" ] Wolf That Lives in Lindsey (NJC) [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: Studio albums - NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Susan McNamara ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Alison ] which song [catman ] Re: Studio albums - NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: which song ["Reuben Bell" ] RE: Comfort in melancholy + sets of waves ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: facelift [susan+rick ] Re: which song [susan+rick ] Re: Studio albums - NJC [RandyRemote ] Stephen Stills njc [Les Irvin ] Re: Studio albums - NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: facelift [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Studio albums - NJC [Alison ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Don Rowe ] Re: Studio albums - NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: Stephen Stills njc [Scott Price ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [dsk ] Re: Stephen Stills njc [dsk ] Bread and Roses, 9/4/78 [Mark Domyancich ] absolutely njc - Wanna Be Bill's Friend?? [Brian Gross ] Joni Lyric Game ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Laura Nyro (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] (no subject) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Azeem's back! [AzeemAK@aol.com] Richard Harvey - NJC + apologies for the incomplete mail I just sent [Aze] Sure, that seems appropriate........ ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Richard Harvey - NJC + apologies for the incomplete mail I just sent [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:13:26 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Choosing Your Next Joni Jim the man wrote, > By the way (BTW), I'd recommend the Shadows and Light video but not the > Painting With Words and Music video. It's for completists. IMHO. Whaddaya mean? Extrapulate please ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:16:26 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Coyote - why a defector? Good Question Mark!!! :~) I see her as defecting from being "...broken in churches and schools and molded to middle class circumstance..." She's defecting to escorting ;~) One might as well make a living at something one enjoys > To me the word > defector implies leaving one side to join the other Exactly! Joni, say you forgive me: I just couldn't resist - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:01:05 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: facelift I was listening to Facelift the other day (and yesterday, and today...) and what leaves me a bit puzzled about the lyrics is the idea of "middle-aged" Joni confronting her mother with such words about flirting with "middle-aged" Donald. To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a teenager... And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:09:09 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Bob wrote: >I gotta cast a vote for: > >"In our possessive coupling >So much could not be expressed >So now I am returning to myself >These things that you & I suppressed" > >Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... And my 50c worth (it's Joni so it's worth much more than 2c): We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone and from ROTR: In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all The word genius just doesn't seem adequate enough, does it! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:20:25 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC I wrote: >>Lindsay Buckingham and the producer work their way through each >>track, playing each instrument alone, then slowly bringing up the >>volume on the rest of the track, so you can hear how they all blend >>together. Which incidentally shows LB's brilliance when you hear 4 >>different lead guitar tracks on one song! And Matt replied: >I don't know if I'd call it brilliance; all it means is he had 4 passes at >the track and picked the one he liked best (or mixed in the parts from each >pass that he liked). A more interesting example of this kind of thing was >when they featured Steely Dan's Aja and you hear Becker and Fagen playing >the 6 or 7 different solos on "Peg." They each sounded really good. (They >make nasty remarks about some of the rejected attempts, too.) For the record, Lindsay Buckingham did play four distinct separate parts on at least one song on Rumours (Second Hand News I think) - this wasn't a case of "picking the best one of four" . He played four entirely different pieces, which are all laid over each other on the song. He then played the track back for the documentary and played each track separately to distinguish them, then played them together so you could hear how they blended. And I still think he's a genius! I'd also add Stephen Stills to the "genius" category, especially when you hear Nash's song "Pre-Road Downs" from CSN's first album. The lead guitar always sounded kind of strange - a bit whiney. Then I found out that Stills had played the entire track (in one take) then reversed it, and added it to the rest of the mix. So the entire thing was actually played backwards. I don't know about anyone else, but I find that pretty amazing! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:29:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC Helen wrote: > I'd also add Stephen Stills to the "genius" category, >especially when you hear Nash's song "Pre-Road Downs" >from CSN's first album. The lead guitar always sounded kind >of strange - a bit whiney. Then I found out that Stills > had played the entire track (in one take) then reversed it, >and added it to the rest of the mix. So the entire thing was >actually played backwards. I don't know about anyone else, >but I find that pretty amazing! I was just reading about this the other day in the updated CSN bio and also found it amazing and was intrigued about how that would work. When I was young and callow I took their great music for granted but now it blows me away, particularly Stills. In the bio I also found all the stories leading up to that first recording equally amazing like Stills spending weeks and months on end jamming with Hendrix 24 hours a day. No wonder. Long may he run. Kakki NP: Byrds live - 8/8/00 (ah, yes ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:51:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: they're here! The Mendel Book and the poster arrived this morning! Haven't had a chance to look yet as too busy bathing Brad. The cover is wonderful though. I l,.ove Joni's TI painting. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:25:51 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Stills (was Studio albums) - NJC Kakki wrote: >I was just reading about this the other day in the updated CSN bio and also >found it amazing and was intrigued about how that would work. When I was >young and callow I took their great music for granted but now it blows me >away, particularly Stills. In the bio I also found all the stories leading >up to that first recording equally amazing like Stills spending weeks and >months on end jamming with Hendrix 24 hours a day. No wonder. Long may he >run. Yes! I love the Stills comments in the box-set about the song "Old Times Good Time" from his first album, where Hendrix was on guitar. He says something about a cop coming to investigate the noise, then once he discovered who it was, he asked if he could park his car outside and field calls from there! I've always been a huge advocate of Stills' guitar work, particularly on his solo albums - the guy is amazing. It's a pity his voice isn't what it once was, but I guess his hearing loss might be partially responsible for that. Hell NPIMH: The opening riff from Pre Road Downs - I'm going to have to go and play it now! _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie I have always assumed she was referring to "Celebration at Big Sur," which used to re-run frequently on the NY syndication channels. It's a concert film featuring a couple of songs from Joni. One of the songs she sings is "Get Together," which certainly represents "old ideals." I could imagine Joni breaking down and crying while watching her younger self howl that song. At 01:08 PM 8/17/00 -0400, you wrote: ><< "Last night the ghost of > my old ideals reran on Channel 5." >> Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:05:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: David CrosbyNJC Crosby was just on a show called Leeza with his son James Raymond. James had been given up for adoption so David didn't know him till he was adult. James turned out to be a fine musician without knowing who is father was. No mention was made of Melissa and her babies. I didn't know Joni and David had so much in common. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:22:41 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: Hinton etc Hi. I'd cede that point, especially as I haven't read the book and don't know the exact content. I do know there are too few music books around which do a good job of representing their subject matter - I'm sorry if the Hinton book falls into that category. Sometimes , though, even "bad" books can stimulate interest in someone who comes new to the artist or subject - I guess that that was my main point, though it's not a justification for poor research or inaccuracy. David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:34:33 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: facelift To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a > teenager... you're only as young as you feel... And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? > Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of something. It doesn't have to make any sense. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:54:13 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Wolf That Lives in Lindsey (NJC) Hello All - If anyone is willing to burn me a cd of a *live* performance of _Wolf That Lives in Lindsey_, please send me a message. Thanks... Bern ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:45:37 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC Actually the technique of playing things backwards was quite common once george martin and the Beatles created the technique. Much of studio recording in those days was simply the entire ensemblage sitting around jamming with the tape running. After a couple hours the musicians or they and the producer would sit and listen to what was created and then pick and choose what they would use trying many things backwards and forwards. Theres a great book called The Record Producers which goes into alot of this stuff and documents how many of the best old records were made. For instance The Everly brothers producer once lined up 12 guitar players each a different distance from one mic and tuned each guitar slightly differently so as to produce harmonic resonances and delay. Phil Spector was a legend for his time. So even though I am the ultimate Stills fan and he has always been my guitar hero and affected my playing more than almost any other guitar player I dont recall any grounbreaking techniques on CSN or Y albums compared to many of the other creators like Glynn Johns, George Martin, and the John and Paul themselves. Its a fascinating subject and that kind of creativity is alot less prevalent in the business today. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:57:39 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy >Bob wrote: > > >I gotta cast a vote for: > > > >"In our possessive coupling > >So much could not be expressed > >So now I am returning to myself > >These things that you & I suppressed" > > > >Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... > >And my 50c worth (it's Joni so it's worth much more than 2c): > >We all come and go unknown >Each so deep and superficial >Between the forceps and the stone > we're only particles of change I know I know orbiting around the sun But how can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon in the mirror of a modern bank from the window of my motel room and another one from STS (same masterpiece album Hejira) And the power of reason And the flowers of deep feeling Seem to serve me Only to deceive me Maybe she was reading the cloud of unknowing when she wrote this stuff. beautifully agonizing. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy <> Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an apex that may never again be equalled. It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a song full of them... Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:31:45 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy In a message dated 8/17/00 11:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... >> I have to agree with you here Bob. Hejira is Joni at her most poetic. The raw emotion in this song has always hit a raw nerve in me--I feel as if Joni had a window into my soul and wrote about it. But who among us hasn't felt this sometime with one of her songs? Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:41:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/00 11:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > > << Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... >> > > I have to agree with you here Bob. Hejira is Joni at her most poetic. The > raw emotion in this song has always hit a raw nerve in me--I feel as if Joni > had a window into my soul and wrote about it. I had the same feeling, but it was with For the Roses. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:50:44 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" everytime i hear it it conjures up images of new york and businessmen in buttondowns, and the rest; there are so many stories just within that one song. and i love to put in this one, and sing it VERY loudly: what a strange strange boy i gave him clothes and jewlery i gave him my warm body i gave him power over me... i'll leave that last one without comment, thank you very much. ;-) alison e. in slc > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy > > < waving truce against the moon > in the mirror of a modern bank > from the window of my motel room>> > > Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an > apex that may never again be equalled. > > It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to > be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a > song full of them... > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:25:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:19:36 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC In a message dated 8/18/00 9:51:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << So even though I am the ultimate Stills fan and he has always been my guitar hero and affected my playing more than almost any other guitar player >> well marcel, in one of the c.f. martin co. news letters, there was some dude who bought a martin 45 series guitar and had an image of the thing and the name of Steven Stills tatooed on his leg. that's pretty competitive md, .....so.....i know he's affected your playing..but what about your body? any Stills tatoos on your body parts? pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:22:36 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: which song "You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail, while the sun is ascending, and I'll just be getting home with my reel-to-reel, there's no comprehending..." Coyote, Catman! (Nice to see you again!) Reuben >>> catman 08/18/00 12:25PM >>> I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:24:26 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Comfort in melancholy + sets of waves I love the drangonfly line. Its always stuck out for me in the song. I also agree that "A Strange Boy" has some great lyrics. I've always liked this part: "He asked me to be patient... Well I failed. 'Grow Up!' I cried. And as the smoke was clearing, he said 'Give me one good reason why.'" but that's all just building up to the next wonderful pair of lines: "What a strange, strange boy... He sees the cars as sets of waves." Sequences of mass and space. He sees the damage in my face." I just love it. Why, oh why, did she not ever perform this song live? Its such a masterpiece. eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Alison Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:51 AM To: jmdl Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" everytime i hear it it conjures up images of new york and businessmen in buttondowns, and the rest; there are so many stories just within that one song. and i love to put in this one, and sing it VERY loudly: what a strange strange boy i gave him clothes and jewlery i gave him my warm body i gave him power over me... i'll leave that last one without comment, thank you very much. ;-) alison e. in slc > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy > > < waving truce against the moon > in the mirror of a modern bank > from the window of my motel room>> > > Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an > apex that may never again be equalled. > > It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to > be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a > song full of them... > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: which song The line is from one of my very favorite Joni songs... Coyote. - --- catman wrote: > I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail > and these words came > to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or > 'hanging on a brood > mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but > cannot for the life > of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni > song!!!) > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all > stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:24 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: facelift Victor Johnson posted: >> To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a >> teenager... > > you're only as young as you feel... >> And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? >> Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... > > Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of > something. It doesn't have to make any sense. > > Victor For an insight into Joni's relationship with her mother, consider this: Joni originally had planned to exhibit the painting of her and Donald French-kissing (or whatever they were doing), at the Mendel in Saskatoon. Her mother however said that she didn't think it was a good idea to display that painting in Saskatoon. Joni very dutifully decided to exhibit the innocuous "Red Mountain" instead, a painting that an elderly mother would approve of. Myrtle may have originally introduced Joni to Donald but, if anything, I'm sure she was hoping for *Wedding Bells*, not a long-distance sex-out-of-wedlock relationship. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:06:24 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: which song catman posted: > I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came > to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood > mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life > of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) Synchronicity again, Colin. That lyric is from Coyote which is on what Bob just yesterday called >the finest album ever. No Regrets Coyote We just come from such different sets of circumstance. I'm up all night in the studios And you're up early on your ranch. You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail While the sun is ascending And I'll just be getting home with my reel-to-reel... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:34:51 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC Once John Lennon was playing a tape at home on his reel to reel and he got the tape on backwards, and in his (presumably altered) state of mind, he tripped on the strange sound. He brought the idea into the studio, and at the end of the song "Rain", the vocal track was reversed. They used the technique on Revolver ("I'm Only Sleeping"). This was in '66, 2 or 3 years before the first CSN album came out. I always liked the effect in "Pre Road Downs". RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:16:17 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Stephen Stills njc At 03:29 AM 8/18/2000, Kakki wrote: >When I was >young and callow I took their great music for granted but now it blows me >away, particularly Stills. All this Stills talk! I must say that I think "Manassas" (the double album) still stands as one of the most brilliant albums ever put together and one that I still play regularly after almost 30 years. And.... was that Stills I saw in the audience last night during Gore's speech? Did anyone else catch a glimpse of him? Les NP: Alan Lomax collection "Southern Journey Volume 9" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC Anybody ever heard the backtrcak on "Purple Rain" -- it's either at the end of, or just before 'Darling Nikki' ... since I only had the CD, I never knew what it was until I recorded it on my PC, and then reversed it in SoundForge ... it's a gospel choir singing: "Hello. How are you? I'm fine. Because I know the Lord is coming soon." So much for Satanic messages. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:30:00 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: facelift In a message dated 8/18/00 1:06:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << > And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? >> Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... > > Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of > something. It doesn't have to make any sense. >> I thought it was because Donald isn't "white." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:44:32 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC okay, don. i am as big a Prince fan as anybody, but... > From: Don Rowe > it's either at the end of, or just before 'Darling > Nikki' ... since I only had the CD, I never knew what > it was until I recorded it on my PC, and then reversed > it in SoundForge ... how much spare time do you have? ;-) > "Hello. How are you? I'm fine. Because I know the > Lord is coming soon." because if you think about it, that album came out a long time ago. just how much time do you think we have left? alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Though it's so hard to pick a "lyric bite" out of such a great song, from 'Hejira', but a different song -- here's the bit of Joni poetry that always gets me -- part writing but mostly phrasing -- from FSTB: "Blue and silver sparkling drums Cheap guitars, eye shades and guns Aimed at the hot blood of being no one Down and out in Memphis Tennessee" Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Studio albums - NJC Why Alison ... spare time's much like any other kind ... it's not the quantity ... it's the QUALITY that counts! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:53:35 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Stephen Stills njc At 12:16 PM 8/18/00 -0600, Les Irvin wrote: >And.... was that Stills I saw in the audience last night during Gore's >speech? Did anyone else catch a glimpse of him? Les, Yes indeed it was Mr. Stills with a broad smile...seemed to be enjoying himself. Having grown up with CSN and CSNY as constant companions, I had always loved the work of Stephen Stills. But it wasn't until recently when a Joni list member pointed me toward the CSN box set that I *really* began to appreciate Stills' genius. There are many alternate and "never heard before" versions of the songs I had memorized years ago. It was like a re-awakening listening to these tracks; they were full of little surprises. And it quickly became apparent to me that Stills' contributions to the group(s) are enormous. One hell of a musician. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:10:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Alison wrote: > for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... > and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: > > "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof > like a dragonfly on a tomb" Almost every time I look down Park Avenue and see that building I think of these lines. They're so perfect. The building does look just like a huge tombstone, a broad grey vertical rectangle that straddles the avenue (the only building in NY that does that). And sizewise, a helicopter would look exactly like a fluttering winged bug next to it. And to take Joni's bug and deadening work metaphor a little futher, the building is over Grand Central Station where thousands of commuters zip around wildly during rush hour. Gotta get to the office on time; gotta get the train to go home. It's like a hive during those times. Plus, to go even further (because I just can't stop now :-), the PanAm building did become a tomb of sorts when there was an accident there years ago and several people were killed. It's not been used as a landing pad since then. That was after Joni had written her song but, who knows, maybe her in-tune-with-the-universe subconscious self could see it coming. The building's been sold and renamed a couple of times but somehow the current name MetLife has never taken hold. It will always be the PanAm building, no matter what the huge letters say. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:17:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Stephen Stills njc Les Irvin wrote: > And.... was that Stills I saw in the audience last night during Gore's > speech? Did anyone else catch a glimpse of him? Oh yeah, that's who that was. I knew he looked familiar but couldn't place him, and the shot from almost under his chin didn't help much. Interesting angle though. And it was obvious he was having a very good time. ds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:38:45 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Bread and Roses, 9/4/78 Not all at once, now! I'm still waiting for a reply about the HOSL singles and b-sides... At 2:37 PM -0500 8/18/00, I wrote: >Hey everyone- > >Does anyone have source info for the Bread and Roses concert from >1978 that was treed? I had always thought it was an audience >recording but listening to it on a new CD player it sounds like a >soundboard. Gracias for any info. > >NP-Joni 9/4/78-The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey > - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: absolutely njc - Wanna Be Bill's Friend?? > HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BILL CLINTON'S FRIEND ?? > > James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an > apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key > witness in Ken Starr's investigation. > > Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a > Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she > was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. > > Vince Foster - Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary > Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to > thehead, ruled a suicide. > > Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to > have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the > investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull > resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being > investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with > prosecutors. > > C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the > Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July > 1992. dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by > Clinton as a " Dear friend and trusted advisor". > > Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the > woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed > Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill > Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was > involved in several Clinton fund raising events. > > Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little > Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little > Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He > allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files > were mysteriously removed from his house. > > James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a > "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who > visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas. > > James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging > suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. > > Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found > dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was > ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if > she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with > Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible > corroborating witness for Paula Jones. > > Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. > Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in > June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of > his fiancee. > > Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping > out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a > convicted drug distributor. > > Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related > to he Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three > gunshot wounds. > > Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was > Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the > head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death. > > Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until > her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. > Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and > Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent > suicide in the middle of his investigation. > > Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with > Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June > 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet > Reno 3 weeks before his death. > > Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. > Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony > August 15, 1993 He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal. > > Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron > Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. > Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department > of Commerce. > > Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang > special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane > crash. > > Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care > Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane > crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council > personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother. > > Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no > accident. > > Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton > in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after > his car had hit a utility pole. > > Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a > purported suicide and his report was never released. > > Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 > when his plane exploded. > Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports > say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug > operation. > > A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling > asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain > before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before > their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. > > THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE: > > Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, > July, 1988 > > Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 > > Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989. > > Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in > April 1989. > > James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death > was due to natural causes. > > Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his > pickup truck in June 1990. > > Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in > a set-up robbery July 1989 > > THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: > Major William S. Barkley Jr. > Captain Scott J. Reynolds > Sgt. Brian Hanley > Sgt. Tim Sabel > Major General William Robertson > Col. William Densberger > Col. Robert Kelly > Spec. Gary Rhodes > Steve Willis > Robert Williams > Conway LeBleu > Todd McKeehan > > Pass it on to everyone you know. Help open the eyes of the public to > what happens to "Friends of the Clinton's!! ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:17:18 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! I'm only in my 3rd week and already enjoying every Digest. It's interesting too when people put their wee addendum, NP (Now Playing). To let us see what they are currently grooving to. Shame on you NPers I've yet to see anyone listening to Joni, surely you've not all burned out on her. NP Joni and SHE'S HISSING!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:02:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Lyric Game Here's a Joni Lyric Game. Some of them are about figuring out whether she's singing about sex or not. All of these topics have been discussed on JMDL. This is the entire list. You decide: Too Hot To Handle or Safe As Mother's Milk? - ---------------- This may be a fun game to play. "Is the following quote a sexual innuendo?" With luck, even the ones that aren't sexual will be funny. Here goes, Sexy or not? "I found a thrill to press my cheek to." Definitely sexual Sexy or not? "The sun streamed in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses." Not sexual Sexy or not? "Please have this- little bit of instant bliss." Consensus on JMDL was it's about a cigarette. Sexy or not? "The box cars are bangin' in the yard." Sexual Sexy or not? "Pour your simple sorrow to the sound hole and your knee." Not sexual Here's the last one (yea!): Sexy or not? "Hanging on your boom-boom pachyderm." Joni says "no", JMDL says "YES!" - ---- Here's a Joni riddle- Warning- It's a pun. If your father dumped his luxury car in a lake, what would you do? A: "Raise" Dad's Cadillac. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Laura Nyro (NJC) Whoever wanted Nested, Season of Lights and Mother's Spiritual - if you're desperate, I have them on vinyl and could tape them for you. Whattawoman! Have you seen the review of New York Tendaberry in this month's Uncut magazine? TTFN Azeem Still playing: Helicopter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:57 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: (no subject) The founders of the band, Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland, were students of early music at the Royal College of Music and both played a variety of ‘unusual’ instruments including the wonderful crumhorn, an instrument that could have IMO provided some interesting musical perspectives in some of Joni’s songs (“Down To You” included). If you are not familiar with Gryphon I can certainly recommend a listen! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Azeem's back! Hi Folks! Love and blessings to you all, gee but it's great to be back home (oops, wrong songwriter). I can't remember how long I've been away, but it seems like ages. I've missed you lot, and have kept in touch with my fellow UK listers and some further afield (Hi Ashara, Catgirl, Bob and the other AOLers!). The UK Jonifest was a delight, and I hope you've all checked out Chris's fabulous photos. One thing that I'm slightly embarrassed about is that so many of them feature me playing guitar, when I can state without any false modesty that I was easily the least accomplished player there! Still, from the write-ups you'll know who the stars are. And the Joni tribute video was fascinating - I agree with whomever it was that said Diana Krall was the standout: I've seen her live once, and while she was good, I was staggered by just how well she got inside the skin of the song. I thought Richard Thompson was great (but then those who know me will know that I was bound to say that!), Shawn Colvin was wonderful - although I'd have preferred her on her own - and Cyndi Lauper was bizarre. As for me, I've followed through my attention to switch to part-time working, and I'm actually leaving my job altogether at the end of September. The counselling training is going very well, and I should start with a second client in September. Anyway, it's great to be back - although I don't like this digest business, and might have to bite the bullet and go for the full monty list and accept that there will be times when I delete 150 emails without reading them. Incidentally, just after I unsubscribed I bought the collectors' edition of BSN, and I love it very much - and it played without scratching! More soon, Much Joni, Azeem in London NP: Helicopter Girl - How To Steal the World [has anyone else heard this? It's brilliant] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:06:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Richard Harvey - NJC + apologies for the incomplete mail I just sent John Low wrote: The founders of the band, Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland, were students of early music at the Royal College of Music and both played a variety of ‘unusual’ instruments including the wonderful crumhorn, an instrument that could have IMO provided some interesting musical perspectives in some of Joni’s songs (“Down To You” included). If you are not familiar with Gryphon I can certainly recommend a listen! Is that the same Richard Harvey who is now a modern composer? Answer: yes! I've just checked the sleeve of a recording of John Williams (the Australian guitarist) playing Harvey's Concerto Antico, one of my favourite modern classical pieces. Talented chap! Azeem NP: Chris Chavez, Sweet Mother Nature's Child ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:13:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sure, that seems appropriate........ This is a song I dearly wanted to sing to my best friends this summer. It's a very beautiful song about separation and loss. It seems doubly appropriate now. Here it is, for Ashara...... It was created by the second-best, living, songwriter who uses English to communicate. IF YOU SEE HER, SAY HELLO - ----------------------------------------- If you see her, say hello, she might be in Tangier She left here last early spring, is livin' there, I hear Say for me that I'm all right though things get kind of slow She might think that I've forgotten her, don't tell her it isn't so. We had a falling-out, like lovers often will And to think of how she left that night, it still brings me a chill And though our separation, it pierced me to the heart She still lives inside of me, we've never been apart. If you get close to her, kiss her for the kid I always have respected her for doin' what she did Oh, whatever makes her happy, I won't stand in her way Though the bitter taste still lingers on from the night I tried to make her stay. I see a lot of people as I make the rounds And I hear her name here and there as I go from town to town And I've never gotten used to it, I've just learned to turn it off Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft. Sundown, yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast If she's passin' back this way, I'm not that hard to find Tell her she can look me up if she's got the time. Copyright 1974 Ram's Horn Music http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/sayhello.html All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:18:22 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Stills (was Studio albums) - NJC Were they talking about the L.A. Police Dept.? > Yes! I love the Stills comments in the box-set about the song "Old Times > Good Time" from his first album, where Hendrix was on guitar. He says > something about a cop coming to investigate the noise, then once he > discovered who it was, he asked if he could park his car outside and field > calls from there! > > Hell > > NPIMH: The opening riff from Pre Road Downs - I'm going to have to go and > play it now! > _____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:44:47 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Richard Harvey - NJC + apologies for the incomplete mail I just sent (“Down To You? what are these strange symbols? I have seen them on other mail too. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:53:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song Thanks to all who replied. Knew I could rely on you lot! If there was a first prize to win for the first correct answer it would go to Reuben as he was first in my box. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #457 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?