From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #455 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, August 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 455 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "no tongue and the bell" [Relayer211@aol.com] updated cover section and Joni publicity photo [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Congrats Stevie (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: "no tongue and the bell" [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Free email (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Picking Joni Albums [Michael Paz ] Hejira Live [Michael Paz ] Go Forth [Michael Paz ] Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie [Gellerray@aol.com] That Card again (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: That Card again (NJC), Long Rebuttal ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Congrats Stevie (NJC) Leslie wrote: "Mr. Mixon received a job offer today that he simply could not refuse - so I guess we're staying in Northern California. Congratulations Stevie!" Hey Stevie- Congrats on the new job! Hope thy are paying you a bundle, you are worth it. Can't wait to see you guys in Boston and hear about the new job. Are you guys on for Atty May's if we get the licence? and a "three hour tour"( depending on how much sleep we do or don't get on SUnday not to mention saturday and friday) on Monday?? Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:30:16 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: "no tongue and the bell" In a message dated 8/16/00 11:53:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << what does this phrase from "JOTMATS" mean? The line is: " No tongue IN the bell And the fishwives yell but they might as well be mute" A bell without a tongue does not ring, it is silent. Beethoven is deaf. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:33:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Free email (NJC) Cristen wrote: "Anyways... I thought I'd also put the offer out there... my hosting company for starwhores.org gives me unlimited e-mail addresses and you can read your mail on the web or pop/smtp style. So if anyone wants a free, permanent address there, feel free to go register at http://mail.starwhores.org." Bob Hey Bob! Yea you the slut in South Carolina- Heads up dude! here's an offer I think you and possibly Jimmy Stewart should not pass up. Respectfully, Michael NP-Days of Wonder-Conspiracy(featuring Chris Squire and Billy Sherwood) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:46:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Picking Joni Albums Cristen wrote in response to Don Rowe: "I would have to agree with the entire theme/variations concept. There are a lot of bands and artists I've seen who's studio persona and live persona are very different. Dave Matthews Band and Counting Crows to name two. DMB takes their studio material and turns it into a piece to jam on and expand upon, taking 5 minute songs into sometimes half-hour long jams. Counting Crows darks back and forth from the acoustic and electric fronts and the lead man, Adam Duritz often plays with and changes the lyrics to songs in concerts. So yes, there are a lot of variations going on there. In the long run I would agree with Don. That if you have an understanding of the origins of a piece of music, you can understand why it's preformed that way, where it's emerged from, etc. I think you also get to see how an artist grows in different forums." This is an interesting thread. I think alot of it depends on where you come from and where you are at at the time you discover the music. I am a die hard Beatle fan and grew up buying each album in order and wore them out one after the other and have never tired of going back to each one and discovering something new and fresh. Then when the Swinging Pig Bootlegs surfaced (pre Anthology days) I loved hearing the songs in their infancy stages and alternate versions of the tunes, and live versions. As far as Joni stuff is concerned I came into her stuff right around STAS and grew with her although I had some dim periods where I only went to her to weep and heal. There are some tunes I really hated then but love now (like Boho Dance for instance). Recently I love just about everything she does (except No Apologies, which I will probaby like alot when I grow up. As I have said before she could sing the LA white Pages and I would love it. Enjoy your journey of discovery. BTW I really love the DMB and have some very cool live stuff only available FOR FREE for friends and trades. Peace Michael P.S. You gotta keep you eye on that guy Don Rowe! He thinks he's Larry Klein (Joni's ex-husband the Russian on Prozac) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:50:25 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hejira Live DonLarryDonLarry wrote: "That would really make an interesting study, now that I think of it. A CD sampler of Hejira songs in concert -- in chronological order -- starting with the album cut, backed by all available "live" versions from studio-released concerts and the tape trees ..." Don Brilliant idea! I love this idea. Let me know if you need any material you don't have. Love to help out on this one. Michael NP-No Rhyme-Conspiracy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:00:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Go Forth Cristen- Welcome to the list! Go forth to "For the Roses" and then forward some more. Take your time and go forth some more till you get to the current release, then go back to the beginning. Don't stop till you get enough. Then of course you will have to make new friends here and get some of the contraband "For Free" stuff that is available out there (well ok maybe get Ladies of the Canyon at the same time as For the Roses). Gosh I envy you. So much music for you to discover and it's so wonderful. Don't forget to post as you go so we can relive the music with you. Enjoy the music, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:02:58 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie In a message dated 8/16/00 1:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: << I read in one of the JMDL articles about "The Story of Three Loves" (circa 1953), one of Joni's favorite movies. She was humming the entire melody of it in the interview. Got me curious about the movie. I see from eonline.com that it is not available on video, but occasionally comes on TV. So folks, does anyone have this on videotape from one of their TV viewings? >> no I don't have this videotaped but I did come home one night in the last six-seven months and there it was on t.v, on AMC or TCM. I was very tired and couldn't even stay up to watch the whole thing but I remember that there was a ballerina in it dancing around while the male played the piano piece--the Rachmaninoff or whatever it is, and I remembered Joni describing her and her friends "childhood play" being very much like that (where her classical pianist friend would play classical music while she danced around like a ballerina). I guess she got inspired in all sorts of ways by that movie. that's all--my once a month post... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:28:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: That Card again (NJC) Jim wrote: >America has successfully and dramatically improved the quality of our goods >the shipyards where one project after another has gone to the Japanese. >Roger Waters wrote, rather indelicately, >"If it wasn't > for the Nips > Being so good at > building ships, >the Yards would still be open > On the Clyde.") >In the US our goal, in nearly every endeavor (including selling fast food), >is to do better _continuously_. Our goal is not 99% satisfaction. The only >goal spoken out loud is 100% satisfaction. Literally. Here's that card again!! ;-} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:33:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: That Card again (NJC), Long Rebuttal Michael, This is the second time this month I've been deliberately quoted out of context. You misquoted. I said, in part, ((America has successfully and dramatically improved the quality of our goods in the past 3 decades. (Britain have seen similar competitive forces. ie, the shipyards where one project after another has gone to the Japanese.)) The point of the quote was to give an example of business pressure that the us and the UK feel IN COMMON. This was NOT a quote to DIVIDE people. The point of my post was that I suspect that the US puts different expectations on it's people than Britain does. Besides, how can I be raising the racial card when I'm talking about social differences between predominantly white amerika and predominantly white Britain? Or are you saying that I'm "raising the racial card" by saying that Japanese manufacturers have out-performed the US manufacturers? Pray tell, how this is a racially motivated observation? Ahhh! (Light goes on!) You are just trying to tweak me, you bastard! Again! I spend all this time rebutting you and you are messing with me! THAT's why you quoted me out of context- so you could tweak me! Not fair. Sheesh. 2nd best songwriter in the English speaking world, once sang, "Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm getting soft." Why did you send this drivel to the big List? I'm gonna say this again- saying that someone is "raising the racial flag" is _not_ a phrase to throw around lightly in middle America. Shame on you. We have a terrible track record where race is concerned and it's not the least bit funny. Bad Paz. Bad. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" > Jim wrote: > >America has successfully and dramatically improved the quality of our goods > >the shipyards where one project after another has gone to the Japanese. > >Roger Waters wrote, rather indelicately, ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #455 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?