From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #450 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, August 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 450 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: UK Jonifest ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: UK Jonifest [catman ] david crosby bio (jc?) [Deb Messling ] Re: ukfest [pat holden ] Re: david crosby bio (jc?) [pat holden ] NZ Artist - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: david crosby bio (jc?) [catman ] Re: david crosby bio (jc?) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Shorter & Brecker [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NZ Artist - NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Rocking Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni [catman ] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni [Susan McNamara ] Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Historic Backing on Unreleased Material [Julian51469@aol.com] forwarding address [Leslie Shapiro ] Open Letter To Author Hinton [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] kd's pants NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Own a Joni Guitar [susan+rick ] an introduction of sorts [Cristen ] Fwd: an introduction of sorts [Susan McNamara ] Re: an introduction of sorts [Don Rowe ] test message njc [Alison ] Re: test message njc [Don Rowe ] Re: david crosby bio (jc?) ["Kakki" ] Re: an introduction of sorts [catman ] More on A&E Crosby bio (Joni content) ["Kakki" ] Re: an introduction of sorts [RandyRemote ] Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni [RandyRemote ] NJC, Joan Baez radio appearance ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni tribute to Quincy? ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Joni tribute to Quincy? [michael w yarbrough ] Crosby on A&E - njc [Les Irvin ] Re: Crosby on A&E - njc ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:26:39 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: UK Jonifest Great to see so many of the UK listers getting together and having a great time. ps: How much booze did you guys drink ??? Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:09:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: UK Jonifest > > > ps: How much booze did you guys drink ??? me? None. The others? well... I wonder if they have heard of rehab?:-) > > > Alan - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:23:11 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: david crosby bio (jc?) David Crosby is slated to be profiled on A&E Biography tonight. Can we expect Joni content? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:27:40 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: ukfest catman wrote: > << with people where wwe all shared something wonderful. It made me feel > all gooey. When i got this pc I had no idea where it would lead. It has > certainly opened up the world to me. It was such a nice feeling, one I > have never had before. that cosy, beloinging with friends feeling. I > will not forget that. Ever.>>> Colin, you took the words right out of my mouth...i tried to express this recently and you've done it so eloquently. This list does provide us with a place where we feel we belong. Feels so good to be back to the garden. (I cant wait for Asharas!!!) Ive received so much support here I hardly know how to begin to express my heartfelt gratitude. What started out as a visit to the joni web site has turned into more than even my imagination could have created. Yea Colin what you said sums it up nicely... , 'makes me feel all gooey' :)) np: nothing, the stereo is gone. Mags > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:32:51 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: david crosby bio (jc?) Deb Messling wrote: > David Crosby is slated to be profiled on A&E Biography tonight. Can we > expect Joni content? > Deb, I cant imagine a David Crosby programme without Joni content. They share history together. So yea, I would expect it. Wish I could see it but my cable's been cut off. Mags. > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:32:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: NZ Artist - NJC This is very NJC, but I thought those of you with an artistic "bent" might like to view some work from a NZ artist, Graham Sydney. His work is spectacular (I think) and he's really captured the landscapes of the Central Otago region (bottom of the South Island). The link is: http://www.grahamesydney.com/ Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:14:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: david crosby bio (jc?) According to ITV Teletext, Crosy is 59 today. Deb Messling wrote: > David Crosby is slated to be profiled on A&E Biography tonight. Can we > expect Joni content? > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:11:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: david crosby bio (jc?) In a message dated 8/14/00 6:28:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << David Crosby is slated to be profiled on A&E Biography tonight. Can we expect Joni content? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ >> Probably very little, if any. A&E devoted two hours to Dylan's "Biography" last night with NJC. I would expect only the briefest of mentions of her, considering they must allow time for Byrds, CSN and a LOT of time to his addiction, conviction and reconstitution. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:22:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Shorter & Brecker I was listening to lots of Joni this weekend, making some copies of stuff plus just some for my own pleasure, and I was amazed once again at just how AWESOME Michael Brecker sounds on those '79 shows, Shadows & Light tour. When the band is jamming at the end of "Dry Cleaner" and particularly at the end of "Hejira", when Brecker's soaring soprano solos soar just Joni herself, I am speechless from the pure beauty of it. The shows feature Pat's Solo, Don's Solo, & Jaco's solo, but not "Michael's Solo", probably because it's as if he's soloing throughout the whole show! I know Joni calls Wayne Shorter a genius, and indeed he is incredible creative and the work he did for her records is excellent, but for pure wailing, Brecker's the man who makes my ears perk up. Maybe my ears are just not properly trained...;~) Bob NP: Billy Joel, "New York State of Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:57:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NZ Artist - NJC Helen, Any person who says, "I am the long stare, not the quick glimpse." has my 'vote' any day!! Bob, Yah, I agree about Brecker on the SL version of Dry Cleaner From Des Moines!!! This is Joni smoking- she burns hottest with a jazz tune, not those 'attempts' at rocking like 'Lead Balloon'. Ducking for cover, Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:21:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Rocking Joni <> Lead Balloon is certainly NOT where I would point someone if they wanted to hear Joni rocking out...check out her rocking 83 band's take on "Wild Things Run Fast" from that tour...at the end of the song they get into a semi-extended jam that rocks the house pretty good! And "Raised On Robbery" in the studio & live is a great rocker as well! The truth is Joni can burn white-hot in any genre! Bob NP: Elton John, "Where To Now St. Peter" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:28:31 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni Eric wrote: > I stick to that statement. The whle idea of a summer fling. Doing > something on a whim. No consequences. No depth. No emotion. Just go with I question your characterization of this as being without emotion. I would argue that the summer fling carries with it quite unique emotions absent from more sustained involvement, but blissful and interesting nonetheless. Art should plumb the breadth of emotions available, and just because the emotion examined is deemed less "substantial" doesn't mean the work itself is. As for intellect, I'm not sure that intellect per se is a good thing for art. We have many other ways of accessing intellectual ways of thinking, but not many for accessing the emotions. I like a lot of art that is thoughtful and smart, but strictly intellectual art often comes across to me as didactic and cold. I say this not having heard the new k.d. album, so I don't know if I even like it or not. I have ENORMOUS respect for her as a performer and writer, however, and look forward to getting to the record when I can. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:32:07 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Rocking Joni Joni's arrangement of "Black Crow" during the '98 tour blew me away. That rocked white-hot. >Lead Balloon is certainly NOT where I would point someone if they >wanted to hear Joni rocking out...check out her rocking 83 band's >take on "Wild Things Run Fast" from that tour...at the end of the >song they get into a semi-extended jam that rocks the house pretty >good! > >And "Raised On Robbery" in the studio & live is a great rocker as well! > >The truth is Joni can burn white-hot in any genre! > >Bob > >NP: Elton John, "Where To Now St. Peter" Whoa! cool song bob, haven't heard that one in a long time. sue (back from a too-long hiatus from the list.) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:50:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni Amazing. I was thinking of you only this morning, wondering how you were and here is a post from you. glad to see you back even if you do love Ray's Dad's Cadillac! Susan McNamara wrote: > Joni's arrangement of "Black Crow" during the '98 tour blew me away. > That rocked white-hot. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:52:43 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni >Amazing. I was thinking of you only this morning, wondering how you were and > >here is a post from you. >glad to see you back even if you do love Ray's Dad's Cadillac! > oh colin! you are pulling my leg or your memory is faulty--I HATE Ray's Dad's Cadillac!! ^ ... ^ ... ^ ... ^ ... ^ ... ^ ... ^... ^ ... ^ ...^ ... ^ ...^ ... ^ ...^ ƒ ƒ raysdadscadillacraysdadscadillac ƒ ƒ ra ysda dsca dill ac ra + ys dads cadi llac ra ƒ ysda * ds cadil rays dadsc cad illac raysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacrays dadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdads cadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadi llacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillacraysdadscadillac raysdadscadi llacraysdad scadillacr raysdadsc adilla craysda ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:46:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Rocking Joni <> Boy, you ain't kidding on that one! Greg Liesz' pedal steel solo really added SO much, and Brian Blade was just amazing on that whole tour. The 1998 versions of DJRD & Slouching also rocked pretty great! Brian's style is like a good waiter; he's always there doing his job but doesn't take over the proceedings, he's amazingly subtle and light-handed as opposed to being John Bonham-ish...(not to take anything away from Bonham either). Always good to see you here, Sue!! And your Etch-A Sketch too! :~D Bob NP: Elton, "Tiny Dancer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:04:16 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Historic Backing on Unreleased Material Hello folks, Pat was wonderful in letting me know of his personal experiences on this "unreleased matter". C'mon archivers...you're holding on to a new form of gold and yer not sharing the wealth. What can we the "desirous ones" do to make it worth your while to spin off a copy of these missing tunes? We would all be so grateful and richer in spirit for knowing these hidden treasures. Please let me know what it is that I have to do to hunt these gems down....and without "further-adoo" here is Pat's wonderful e-mail... hi julian, how ya doin'? wow, it's really quite a list when you write it all out isn't it. I think you pretty much said it all on point #5... please definitely include me in 'everybody else'. ;o) there are two anomalies I sometimes ponder: 1) why is it that brian moss, michael heath and myself are the only acknowledged people onlist who knew Joni from the coffeehouse days *and we are all from the same exact coffeehouse which was in a relatively small city in MI!* 2) with the only exception that I know of, that being the club47 set, all the rarities we have are from the second fret. in both cases, the same weird thing... if bri, cul and I got online, did our first websearch for Joni like everyone else and ended up on jmdl, it makes sense there would be others from among all the other coffeehouses she played on the circuit back then... where are they? likewise, here we have all these recordings from the same 2 places, the great majority from the 2nd fret, and it just makes sense that there have to be more... but where are they?! whether it's because by the time I met her in mid '66, she'd already ceased playing them publicly or just because my memory of 32yrs ago is so faulty, I can't say but for the record I never heard her do most of the songs on the wanted list... ever. the ones I *can* recall or at least *think* (pretty sure) she was playing back then are a follows: Poor Sad Baby What Will You Give Me Who Has Seen the Wind Day After Day Here Today Gone Tomorrow The Wizard of Is Little David Moon in the Mirror of these the last three are the ones I can recall most clearly: - -The Wizard of Is, as I've commented before, was a song she wrote to the exact tune and chords of Leonard Cohen's 'Suzanne'. I learned this guitar part from her but only so I could play Suzanne... been kicking myself for years that I didn't bother to learn the lyrics when they were right there in my grasp. - -Little David was actually 'Play, Little David' and was an upbeat praising of a favorite folk guitarist she knew from the circuit and who jammed with everybody named David Rey or Ray... - -Moon in the Mirror... ah, this is assuredly our greatest loss. this song was one of her most popular, I would say her third most requested song, in the class just under TCG and UFG, along with NITC, MMT, CIK, and JLM. finding a recording of this one would most definitely be the most valuable of all of them. I am surprised that it isn't among the sets we have. this was one that Joni played every night without fail. please let me know if you find anymore, ok? tanx, :~) pat NP: Dark End Of The Street - Ry Cooder http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ >Hello Everyone! I'm just about halfway done with the first "Ureleased Joni Compilation" tape and have really started to work out what songs I'm missing or have but need another copy. So far the lineup goes: Brandy Eyes Mr. Blue Eastern Rain Born to Take the Highway Carnival in Kenora Winterlady Blue on Blue Come to the Sunshine London Bridge Ballerina Vallerie Go Tell the Drummer Man Dr. Junk the Dentist Man Hunter Looking Out for Love Wilderland The songs that I have but seem to be needing a fix-up or better copies are: 1) The complete version of "Just Like Me" that is on the WMMR Archives Vol. # 1, second side....for some reason my copy is all warped and wobbly sounding and the other versions that I have have the beginning cut off. 2)My "Club 47" tape is on loan to a friend who is transfering it to a CDR...I like my tape much better than the CDR that I have of it due to the fact that my tape seems to be at a normal speed and has much less hiss. On this tape is: "The Way It Is" and "The Gift of the Magi"...so with this one I shall be playing the waiting game. 3)There is a song that I have that I've been calling "I Don't Know Where I Stand"...I don't see it listed anywhere...Is this the real title? Forgive my ignorance, but is this on some official release that I've completely blanked out on? It is such a great song! Somebody set me strait on this one. 4) Does anyone out there have a complete version of "Melody in Your Name"? The versions that I have are cut off before Joni can finnish the second of three verses. This too is a gorgeous tune. and finally.... 5)There are a bunch of other tunes that I would (and so would everyone else) LOVE to get me hands on. Is there a person or place that I can go to that may be able to direct me to the show with these missing "grail" songs? Looking at the copyrights to some of the songs I've noticed that most of her unreleased songs are from 1966 to 1969....What tapes am I missing that are from this era that might have these songs: Ballad in Blue Cara's Castle Daisy Summer Piper Day After Day Endless Summer Free Darling Gemini Twin Here Today Gone Tomorrow I Won't Cry Jeremy Julie's Mom Kelly Lazy Summer Little David Midnight Cowbow Song Moon in the Mirror Poor Sad Baby Song to a Daydreamer Straw-Flower Man What Will You Give Me Who Has Seen the Wind and The Wizard of Is. As you can see...I am about a quarter of the way through with this project. As soon as I get a full tapes worth...or 74 minutes worth. I'll send it out to be "treed up". I must say that it is already a beautiful thing to play this for friends and it's like it is a whole new early Joni album being released for the first time....There is a strong undercurrent of psychedelic, wide-eyed mysticism to the whole sound and message of the tape. Any thoughts or suggestions or donations would be much appreciated. Thank you all so much for helping me get this far. Take care, Julian> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:22:25 -0400 From: Leslie Shapiro Subject: forwarding address on 8/14/00 3:00 AM, JMDL Digest at les@jmdl.com wrote: > JMDL Digest Monday, August 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 449 > > > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > --- > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > --- > Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations > going directly towards the upkeep of the website. > Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US > to help Jim continue. > > If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks > payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: > > Ashara Stansfield > P.O. Box 215 > Topsfield, MA. 01983 > USA > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: Tribute album news from Reprise ["Nikki Johnson" Re: What Is Context? Was: "Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni, > NJC" [catman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Folks, I will be away from this email address after this week for 2 weeks. Can I have the list forwarded to my home email: lshajmel@aol.com? Also, there are 2 questions I have, being a relatively new lister. 1) What the heck does LOL stand for? 2) In looking up the previously posted items and archives, it is clear that Wally Breese accomplished what he had set out to do at the end of his life. I am grateful for the vision he had and the energy he was able to (most difficultly) commit to this project. However, it is a mystery to me who has actually taken over and continuing this incredible labor of love (is that what LOL is?). Is it Jim? Just curious and wanting to say thanks, and keep up the good work! Leslie > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:27:01 -0400 > From: "Nikki Johnson" > Subject: RE: Tribute album news from Reprise > > Yes I do believe that the person I got the mp3 from said it was from the > tribute album! > Can't wait to hear the rest! > Nikki > > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >> RandyRemote >> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:53 PM >> To: jonilist >> Subject: Re: Tribute album news from Reprise >> >> >> Interesting...so can we assume that the recently discovered >> "Big Yellow Taxi" MP3 by Lindsay Buckingham is from this >> project? >> >> Raffaele Malanga wrote: >> >>> In the News section of Reprise Records web site I found this: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> 7/25/2000 - sonicnet >>> >>> Joni Mitchell Tribute Album >>> >>> Elton John, k.d. lang and Janet Jackson will all contribute to A Case of >>> Joni, a tribute album to Joni Mitchell expected this winter, >> according to >>> Reprise Records. Also contributing to the album will be P.M. >> Dawn, Lindsey >>> Buckingham, Duncan Sheik, Annie Lennox, Elvis Costello, Chaka >> Khan, Björk, >>> Sarah McLachlan, Etta James and Stevie Wonder, who performs a cover of >>> Mitchell's "Woodstock." >>> >>>>>>> >>> Something to look for in the cold winter days :-) >>> >>> Raffaele (London) >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:21:44 +0100 > From: catman > Subject: Re: What Is Context? Was: "Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & > joyful Joni, NJC" > >> > >> It's sort of inappropriate to respond to something he didn't say. >> :) Do you see my point? >> > > I'll take that on board as it is from someone who definately knows what he is > talking abiut. > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2000 #449 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list at > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:31:35 +0100 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: Open Letter To Author Hinton In his open letter Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Mr. Hinton- If you are lurking or scanning the archives,.. I've just remembered something else I read in the new edition of the Hinton book which makes me think he was (or still is) a lurker. Hinton mentions that some early live Joni material had recently 'come to light' and it seems pretty clear that he is referring to the Second Fret recordings. So maybe he has been using the the Tape Trees too. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:00:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: kd's pants NJC (...laughing as I start to write this) I can't believe I am seeing the heading of kd's pants as a topic again & it seems, quite a prolific one glancing at the list of digest topics. (still laughing)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:09:07 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Own a Joni Guitar Westwood Music's site has an Artist's Collection page where musicians sell their unwanted instruments. Shown as "Coming Soon" is a 6 instrument collection (acoustic and electric guitars) from Joni Mitchell. Westwood Music: http://www.westwoodmusic.com Time to wrap pennies again. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:19:52 -0400 From: Cristen Subject: an introduction of sorts Well, in the past few weeks I've been on and off this list once or twice and I finally decided to come back on and give it the full haul. I guess I've been kind of worried/embarrassed since I'm a 22 year old who's just "discovering" the wonder that is Joni Mitchell. My first encounter with Joni's music was in 1998 when an co-worker used to play Blue on office system all the time. I didn't know much about her, and being "obsessed" with the Dave Matthews Band at the time I guess didn't really care either. I did love that song "where she sings about Canada" though. I think it was something in the pureness and almost ache in Joni's voice that made the song strike a chord with me. I'm glad to know the title now. My next experience with Joni and the catalyst for me becoming an active listener of her music came over New Years. My boyfriend and I stayed home that week and at various points found ourselves watching the MTV Top 100 of the century countdown. Over that week I saw Janet Jackson's "Got Till It's Gone" video over and over. I loved the sample they were using of Joni's music. The beauty and lyricism of her voice hooked me. I went on Napster and searched for Joni songs. Oddly the first one I downloaded was "Big Yellow Taxi" where the sample was from. I downloaded a few more Joni songs, namely "Blue" and "A Case of You." I listened to those mp3's for months and months till finally about two months ago I actually managed to pick up "Blue." I still don't know why I waited... I just did. Blue blew me out of the water, no pun intended. mp3's do not due the depth and general grabbing onto your soul and won't let go feeling of Joni's music. Listening to that album, I feel like she reaches something inside me with her music and brings out both an ache and a purity in me. Hearing "A Case of You", by far my favorite song, I find tears rising to the surface every now and then. I can't explain it... I suppose all of you will understand. Since then I've not bought another of Joni's albums, but could definitely use advice on which one to get next. Anyone? Joni's music has also inspired me to teach myself guitar because I've been looking for a creative outlet and it seems apropos. So I suppose that's it from me. I'll go into hiding now. ;) Cristen - ------------------------------------------- Cristen Curley cristen@starwhores.org dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing "Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." - - Lewin A.R.W. Edwards "Smelling of October and rust, smelling of October and rust... Churches purple burning and dust. She goes in, she goes in. I wanna be where she goes in." Lame, "Brynn" ____________________________ Free Email/SMTP/POP, http://www.bn3.com, Hosting yourname@yoursite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:39:54 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: an introduction of sorts Cristen said: >Since then I've not bought another of Joni's albums, but could >definitely use advice on which one to get next. Anyone? Joni's music >has also inspired me to teach myself guitar because I've been >looking for a creative outlet and it seems apropos. > Whoa. Listening to Blue for the first time. I'm envious. That album changed my life. The question is, do you want to grow with Joni incrementally? Then I would get For The Roses, Court & Spark and Hissing of Summer Lawns. Or do you want to see how she got to Blue? Then get Song to A Seagull, Clouds and Ladies of the Canyon. Or do you just have enough money to get the masterpiece: HEJIRA. All I can say is, if you are like us, you will not be able to stop till you have all 22 albums, all the tape trees, and all the videos. Oh, and then you mentioned guitar. Take a deep breath and go to this site: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Then you'll find out you need to buy a lot of strings. Is it legal to incite people like this? Enjoy your journey, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: an introduction of sorts Hello Cristen, and welcome to the JMDL. Your request of "what next?" in the Joni Mitchell catalog is one of our most enduring and favorite games to play! So here go my recommendations for those who came in on "Blue": You should next go out and buy: Song to A Seagull Clouds Ladies of the Canyon For The Roses That will bring you roughly back to where you started - -- and a little further in the case of "For The Roses". From there ... hmmm -- I'd personally take a trip through, what I call "The Big Three": The Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Having gotten familiar some of Joni's musical journey, which you'll soon find, covers a LOT of ground, try the #1 bestseller: Court and Spark Having digested those, you might want to skip forward in time to the 90s, and get to know: Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo From there, I think you'll probably be ready for the 80s catalog, which is wonderful in it's own way, despite wbatever you hear from others in our little group: Wild Things Run Fast Dog Eat Dog Chalkmark In A Rainstorm From there, you can finish up the studio albums with: Taming The Tiger Both Sides Now (her most recent "big band" album, which includes the finest version of "A Case Of You" ever recorded -- IMHO!) Mingus (her foray into free jazz from the late 70s) Hits and Misses (if you're still so inclined) Then get into the concert albums, to flesh out your collection: Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light Then ... you'll be ready for our own special collections of archived rarities, demos and other bootlegs ... known collectively as THE TAPE TREES. Welcome again, and as I always say -- you have no idea what a magical, wonderful journey awaits you -- I'm genuinely envious! Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:31:56 -0600 From: Alison Subject: test message njc so sorry to do this, new computer and email accounts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: test message njc - --- Alison wrote: > so sorry to do this, new computer and email accounts > At least your new computer came equipped with that cool new "JoniScan 2.0" plug-in to detect and automatically label your posts accordingly ... looks like it's working quite well! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:03:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: david crosby bio (jc?) Paul wrote: > Probably very little, if any. A&E devoted two hours to >Dylan's "Biography" last night with NJC. But other than being an inspiration to her, Dylan did not have nearly the involvement in her life that Crosby had. >I would expect only the briefest of mentions of her, > considering they must allow time for Byrds, CSN and a LOT >of time to his addiction, conviction and reconstitution. Well, I expect that A&E is a little more comprehensive than the usual TV profiles that favor the sensational and negative. He's been off all drugs for almost fifteen years and there have certainly been many other noteworthy topics to cover since then - his recovery, his reunion with his son James and their group CPR (which some feel is better than CSNY), the dedicated social activism of himself and his wife Jan, his sheer survival, with all his talent intact, in the face of all odds, etc. There may not be much, if any, Joni content, but there is sure to be a bit of related Joni content in there (Nash, Laurel Canyon days, Joni opening for a number of CSN shows, etc.) Kakki, who is probably more interested in the Byrds content these days ;-) NP: Live - The Democratic Convention - unending police car cavalcades with sirens blaring - they must be escorting some of the big guys ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:45:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: an introduction of sorts No need to feel worried or embarrassed. Out of many hundreds of memebrs only one or two bite! Lucky for you that you are just discovering her now. Lots of pleasure to come. welcome bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:45:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on A&E Crosby bio (Joni content) Since I may be out gallivanting on the streets tonight I checked out the A&E website to see if the Croz bio will air later and the times are 8 p.m. and Midnight. Amazingly, the blurb almost read like my last post, but I swear I didn't read it before writing! They also have a profile of Croz with definitely important Joni content as follows: From A&E.com 8/14/00 "Crosby spent a short time in Florida, where he befriended aspiring musician Joni Mitchell. As Crosby helped Mitchell record her first album, Mitchell returned the favor by introducing him to Neil Young and Stephen Stills of Buffalo Springfield (a band that was on the verge of breaking-up). Stills contemplated going out on his own, but instead began a professional partnership with Crosby. The addition of former Hollies member Graham Nash turned the duo into the trio of Crosby, Stills and Nash. The release of their first, self-titled album in 1969 proved to be a success, earning the band a Grammy Award for Best New Artist." Kakki NP: Nothing - heading to the pool with a Cuba Libre in this 100 degree heat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:01:17 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: an introduction of sorts Hi Cristen, and welcome to the list. Nice to hear about your discovery of Ms. Mitchell. And so much more to explore. What next? If you want to hear more of her confessional and simply arranged stuff similar to Blue, the albums before and after it are both great, "Ladies of the Canyon", and particularly "For the Roses". "Court and Spark" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns" mostly feature a full band, and mark her first explorations into pop/jazz styles. They are both great. "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" is hard to describe, more sparse arrangements, experimentation. I love this album. It features a long piece with orchestra and piano and lots of Jaco Pastorius, the late virtuoso fretless bass player. "Hejira" goes back to personal type songs, longer ones, and certainly shows her at the height of her poetic genius. It's a definite favorite of many listers. Jaco and other great jazz musicians contribute to the stark, ethereal arrangements. "Mingus" is her collaboration with jazz legend Charles Mingus, and is her most straight ahead jazz album. This ranks lower on the list of favorite albums for most. "Wild Things Run Fast" more rockin' happier songs mostly(she met and married bassist Larry Klien around this time). I will no doubt catch some flack for saying this, but I think this album was her last really great one. It came out in '82 I think. Okay, time for me to duck. RR Cristen wrote: > Well, in the past few weeks I've been on and off this list once or twice > and I finally decided to come back on and give it the full haul. I guess > I've been kind of worried/embarrassed since I'm a 22 year old who's just > "discovering" the wonder that is Joni Mitchell. > > My first encounter with Joni's music was in 1998 when an co-worker used to > play Blue on office system all the time. I didn't know much about her, and > being "obsessed" with the Dave Matthews Band at the time I guess didn't > really care either. I did love that song "where she sings about Canada" > though. I think it was something in the pureness and almost ache in Joni's > voice that made the song strike a chord with me. I'm glad to know the title > now. > > My next experience with Joni and the catalyst for me becoming an active > listener of her music came over New Years. My boyfriend and I stayed home > that week and at various points found ourselves watching the MTV Top 100 of > the century countdown. Over that week I saw Janet Jackson's "Got Till It's > Gone" video over and over. I loved the sample they were using of Joni's > music. The beauty and lyricism of her voice hooked me. I went on Napster > and searched for Joni songs. Oddly the first one I downloaded was "Big > Yellow Taxi" where the sample was from. I downloaded a few more Joni songs, > namely "Blue" and "A Case of You." > > I listened to those mp3's for months and months till finally about two > months ago I actually managed to pick up "Blue." I still don't know why I > waited... I just did. Blue blew me out of the water, no pun intended. mp3's > do not due the depth and general grabbing onto your soul and won't let go > feeling of Joni's music. Listening to that album, I feel like she reaches > something inside me with her music and brings out both an ache and a purity > in me. Hearing "A Case of You", by far my favorite song, I find tears > rising to the surface every now and then. I can't explain it... I suppose > all of you will understand. > > Since then I've not bought another of Joni's albums, but could definitely > use advice on which one to get next. Anyone? Joni's music has also inspired > me to teach myself guitar because I've been looking for a creative outlet > and it seems apropos. > > So I suppose that's it from me. I'll go into hiding now. ;) > > Cristen > ------------------------------------------- > Cristen Curley > cristen@starwhores.org > dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing > "Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." > - Lewin A.R.W. Edwards > "Smelling of October and rust, smelling of October and rust... Churches > purple burning and dust. She goes in, she goes in. I wanna be where she > goes in." Lame, "Brynn" > > ____________________________ > Free Email/SMTP/POP, http://www.bn3.com, Hosting yourname@yoursite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:06:58 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni Eric Wilcox wrote: > Its not that the album is happy that gets me-- it seems a bit shallow. Skin > deep. Unimportant. That's clearly the message she's trying to get across-- > and I jsut don't know if I'm looking for that in music. > any thoughts? My reaction to the album, based on the first listen, is that it has a slick, produced sound, to it's detriment. One of the reasons I liked Ingenue so much was that it sounded kind of relaxed, like it was recorded at home-which it was. With Invincible Summer, not a hair is out of place, so it sounds more packaged. Maybe that is what she was going for, in keeping with the pop style that inspired it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:28:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Newborn: a forty-something white man Okay, I'm going to JoniFest New England, 2000!! I caved in to peer pressure! I'm weak! I want to encourage all of you (Especially Kakki, Mark, and Bry&Cindy) to be equally weak! Bryan- I want to hear some of the new songs (PLURAL!) that you mention on your web page!!! Quit teasing! Bring it on!!! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati It's not the caffeine. It's not. My enthusiasm comes from the idea of spending a weekend with my "tribal brothers and sisters" as Kakki said at the beginning of the Summer. np: Linus and Lucy by the Vince Guaraldi Trio I'm trying to cover the jazz base while David's on vacation, but I'm steering clear of the Giants/Masters as they are supposed to be "good for you". :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:28:42 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: kd's pants NJC I have to say - the subject of kd's pants (or trousers, as they're more correcly named :-) did come up at the UK Jonifest. They truly are well travelled and much admired, er, pants. I have no fixed opinion about her new album.* - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 * I haven't heard it, that's why. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:12:47 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC, Joan Baez radio appearance Some ex-folkie named Joan Baez brought most of her touring band and her 6 string to the World Cafe radio programme today. I like her voice much more now than in the last century. David Dye suggested to her that another Spanish language album would be timely as there's a new popularity of all things Latino. Joan (not OUR Joan) was not excited. She said that making a new album is a lot of work, and she's not sure how many albums she's going to squeak out before she just "pots plants". (!) I tell you it is FRIGHTENING when one's heroes begin to talk about 'slowing down'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then she made it worse. Host David encouraged her to write more, saying "Some of your best work has been stuff that you've written." She said that she writes poetry all the time but she doesn't easily get the structure in there. "And as time goes by, I think I'll be doing less and less of the things that I don't do easily." The more I hear Dwye, the more I see how smart he is about interviewing. He could have said, "Paint another album of Dylan songs, man. Paint another album of Woody Guthrie protest songs, man." In fact he later described her (with an earlier band of uhh... much younger musicians) as the 'sane camp counselor of the group'. He didn't say 'mother' or 'wise aunt', he said "camp counselor". Smooooth. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:45:20 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Joni tribute to Quincy? I am looking for the title of the CD Joni contributed to that is a tribute to (I think) Quincy Jones. I'm fairly certain it came out early last year. Does anyone know the title? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:13:15 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Joni tribute to Quincy? Might you be thinking of Herbie Hancock's tribute to Gershwin, entitled _Gershwin's World_? There are two Joni contributions on that disc, "Summertime" and "The Man I Love." Both are divine, as is much of the rest of the disc. - --Michael NP: Erasure, "Oh L'Amour" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world." - --Dolly Parton, "Tennessee Homesick Blues" On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Diane Evans wrote: > I am looking for the title of the CD Joni contributed to that is a tribute > to (I think) Quincy Jones. I'm fairly certain it came out early last year. > Does anyone know the title? > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:24:38 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: an introduction of sorts > Then get into the concert albums, to flesh out your > collection: > > Miles of Aisles Well personally, Miles of Aisles would be my recommendation for your next Joni album, particularly since you like 'Blue' so much. It gives a nice overview of the first part of Joni's career from 'Song To A Seagull' to 'Court and Spark' and is a nice sampler of this period. Since you already love 'Blue' I can guarantee you will love the live versions of 'A Case of You' and 'Blue' (skip that silly jazzed up version of 'Carey'). There are several songs from 'Ladies of the Canyon', beautifully rendered and exquisite performances of 'Woman of Heart and Mind' and 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire' from 'For the Roses'. That will give you an idea of which albums from her early catalogue you might want to hear more of. Welcome to the list and by all means, let us hear from you! We'll all be dying to know what you decide to get next! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:39:40 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Crosby on A&E - njc Joniphiles - Being a stickler for unimportant details, I noticed a reference on the A&E Crosby special saying that "CSN and Y rushed to the studio to record 'Ohio'". My CSNY trivia bank seems to recall that it was only Crosby and Young on that record, as Stills and Nash were not available. Anybody know for sure? Les NP: UK JoniFest 2000 "Down in the Cellar in the Boho Zone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:00:28 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Crosby on A&E - njc Les wrote: >Being a stickler for unimportant details, I noticed a reference on the A&E >Crosby special saying that "CSN and Y rushed to the studio to record >'Ohio'". My CSNY trivia bank seems to recall that it was only Crosby and >Young on that record, as Stills and Nash were not available. Anybody know >for sure? Had to rush in and respond to this one! From the box-set: David Crosby: The way I recall it, I was with Neil at a friend's house and handed him Life magazine with the Kent State photos. He was silent for a long time, then picked up his guitar and twenty minutes later had this song. I called Stephen and Graham, and we immediately booked a studio. We gave the master to Ahmet Ertegun who flew it to New York the next day and it was released within the week. "Teach Your Children" was heading straight for Number One, and we knocked it right off the charts with our own song, and Nash never said one word about it, to his great credit. He knew how important it was that this song be out there. For me "Ohio" was a high point of the band, a major point of validity. There we were, reacting to reality, dealing with it on the highest level we could - relevant, immediate. It named names and pointed the finger. It said "Nixon". I was so moved by it that I completely lost it at the end of the song, in the recording studio, screaming "...Four...Why?...How many more?..." The credits for the song are: Vocals: Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young Guitars: Neil Young, Stephen Stills, David Crosby Bass: Calvin Samuels Drums: Johnny Barbata Recorded at Record Plant Studio 3, LA, May 21, 1970 Engineer: Bill Halverson Produced by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young Originally released as a CSN&Y single, June 4, 1970 So the time between recording and the release was only 13 days - pretty quick! But the answer to your original question was "They were all there" (which would have taken much less time to type)! 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