From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #448 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, August 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 448 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: UKFest in full swing njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Unreleased Joni [Pbart123@aol.com] NJC the Ani thread ["James Phillips" ] Re: k.d.'s pants, Invicinble Summer & joyful Joni (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] Re: A Light-Hearted Moment [BMGKotler@aol.com] Re: Ellington, NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Unreleased Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Tribute album news from Reprise ["Bill Pearson" ] UK fest - wow :-) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni [catman ] Re: UK Jonifest pics [FMYFL@aol.com] Hard Times Come Again No More (NJC) ["Paul Pennington" ] Joni Audio pioneer [Jerry Notaro ] RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni ["Eric Wilcox" ] What Is Context? Was: "Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni, NJC" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] UK JoniFest at JMDL [Les Irvin ] Re: Thanks for the many welcomes ! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: UK JoniFest at JMDL ["Chris Marshall" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:19:46 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni Mark- Its not the happiness that I'm opposed to-- though I do admit I do seem to enjoy the dark and gloomy sides of many artists. I guess its because I never really saw k.d. lang as a pop star. She's got a voice that can belt out a great country song. And more recently, she's shown the ability to sing great jazz. You're right in that there are fun/happy songs on any darker release-- but to devote an entire album to happy and flings and doing things on a whim-- that, *to me* seems a bit-- empty. I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then you should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. How screwed up is that? Eric - realizing that its August and still has had no "summerfling" ;) - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:17 PM To: Eric Wilcox; JMDL Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wilcox" To: "JMDL" ; "Mark or Travis" Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: RE: k d's pants njc > So on a more serious note... what did you all think of k.d.'s new album? I > hear it definitely is.... er... happy. I thought that "drag" was great-- so > dark. I think k.d.'s voice is perfect for that sort of brooding jazz/pop -- > so what happened? And more importantly-- does it work? Is it good? > > eric k.d. can also belt out a country song or (in her early days) rock out with the best of them. I don't think she's going to be willing to conform to any one category (just like someone else we know). 'Drag' also has a couple of lighter moments - The Air That I Breathe, The Joker - k.d. can express joy along with the best of them. Does music or art *have* to be dark & gloomy to be good? Invincible Summer is all about the stage of romance that Joni sings about in the first two songs of BSN. At last my love has come along, you're my thrill and life is all sunshine. I've never been really impressed with much of k.d.'s original songs except for 'Absolute Torch &Twang' which had some great material on it. But I think 'Invincible Summer' has some really nice songs on it. So far this is my favorite: Simple (Pitch/lang) Flawless light in a darkening air Alone and shining there Love will not elude you Love is simple I worship this tenacity And the beautiful struggle we're in Love will not elude us Love is simple Be sure to know that All in love is ours And love, as a philosophy is simple I am calm in oblivion Calm, as I ever have been Love will not elude me Love is simple Be sure to know that All in love is ours...is ours... That all in love is ours And love, as a philosophy is simple... And ours The production of the record is similar to that of Drag - it has kind of a retro feeling to it but since I don't keep up with trends in popular music, I will leave it to others to describe it better. Enough of that since this is not the k.d. lang list. I recommend this record, however. Don't be afraid of letting some joy into your lives & record collections, people. And isn't The Only Joy in Town also on Night Ride Home? And how about that title track? How dare Joni include an empty little ditty about lusting after a lady killer on the Spanish Steps and a pretty little tune about a drive on the beach on a pretty night on the same record with Slouching and Cherokee Louise? With crickets, no less! What was she thinking??? Mark in Seattle meaning no offense, just getting in a little affectionate teasing (everybody has a right to their own opinion even if it is the wrong opinion! ;-) ) np: Etta James 'Don't Cry Baby' from the Millennium Collection - Joni was right - there is God in some of the notes this woman sings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:29:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: FW: Tenth World's lyrics i posted the tenth world lyrics as NJC, but as pat suggests they may qualify as joni content, so i'm posting them again for the whole gang. wallyk a while ago i wrote: > thanks to incredibly generous patricia o'connor -- who, with the > perseverance of a genuine taurus, can apparently find ANYTHING -- i have > recovered my transcription and translation of the tenth world!!!!!!!!! i'm > pasting below the original post. > so bailala y goza PATRICIA!!!! > wallyK > > > Here's what I hear and its English translation. I think somebody from the > northern sections of South America or even the Caribbean could do a better > job than I because the variety of Spanish that I use is extremely different > form the one spoken by the people on DJRD. > > THE TENTH WORLD > > Baila mi rumba > Bátela, goza y mira mamá > Baila, mira mamá > Bátela, goza, mira eh > Rumbando bello es que yo voy > Bailala bailala bailala > Bailala baila baila > Eh eh mamá > [??????] > Baila baila my rumbo[?] > Ele eh ele eh > Bailala bailala baila > Din din baragadín dan dan [ this is onomatopoeia] > Baila baila baila baila > Venezolano en Nueva York > En California y en todos lados > Te la traigo > Para que vos...para que gozes gozes cosa buena > Gozes con todo el mundo > El africano y todo el mundo > Bailala 5 x's. > Gringos! > Izquierdo! Izquierdo! Vamos, oye! > [onomatopoeic sounds, interjections, sighs, whistling, bits of dialogue > among the musicians that sound like instructions or encouragement to keep on > playing and dancing] > Me voy 8x's > [ More chanting and onomatopoeia] > > > TRANSLATION: > Dance to my rumba > Beat it [ maybe a drum?], enjoy, look mama [ maybe meaning "look at me and > learn the steps."] > Dance, look mama > Beat it, enjoy, look > Dancing the rumba beautifully. That's how I go. > Hey hey mama > Dance to it, dance [ repeated] > Dance > Dance this way [ This a tentative translation, the expression I hear is > actually unidiomatic] > Dance to it, dance > A Venezuelan in New York [ maybe referring to himself] > In California and everywhere > I bring it to you [ the rumba] > So that you will enjoy a good thing > Enjoy it with the rest of the world > With the African and the rest of the world > Dance to it > Gringos! [ This is funny. "Gringo" is a pejorative way that some South > Americans have to refer to Anglo-Saxons. It's clear that some Americans are > actually dancing to the music in the studio and receiving instructions from > the singer, including this veiled semi-insult. Was Joni there too?] > Left! Left! [ maybe meaning use your left foot now ] > I say, Come on! > I'm going now! [ Or it could also be I'm "coming"!] > > Hope this helps > WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:39:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni Joni has accused her own fans of this before too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wilcox" > I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then you > should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. How screwed up is > that? Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:46:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: UK Jonifest pics colin, we DO look alike!!!! isn't that funny? and is mr. les ross the bearded guy in the white t-shirt???? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... capital ''m''! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:50:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: RE: UKFest in full swing njc Wow, Thanks Sue, Chris for the PICS. Tell Colin Rose says hello. Glad you guys are having a "bloody good time." I wish we could all be there with you. Keep the PICS coming. What kind of wine is that that you're drinking? LOL I'm bringing a digital camera to the Boston Fest, so we'll try to do the same for you guys as it's happening. Can we do that Les, Ashara? Cheers, Rose in NJ still watching the river swell in her backyard. Please make the rain STOP! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:00:55 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC During the thread about the latest edition of Hinton's book, he (correctly) quoted a JMDL thread (referred to as "the Internet community") saying that his book was 'better than nothing.' Bob (Cover Project) Muller moaned that obviously this proved that Hinton was lurking. Bleech! While I agree with Bob's sentiment, I must channel for Simon here (as a stickler for details) and point out that Mr. Hinton could be merely using Les' archives. If so..... Mr. Hinton- If you are lurking or scanning the archives, please know that it's not you personally that I deplore. It's the factual errors in your book, like the conjecture that James Taylor was into cross-dressing. If you want us, the JMDL, to give you better reviews, just post a request for corrections. We are actually nice people. Very nice, actually. So why don't you post a request? If you do, you'll receive these benefits, free: 1. You will sell copies in the rush to list errors / corrections. Know this- you will get a very big list of CORRECTIONS along with the list of errors - free. You won't even have to do any research!!!! Then, in the next revision, you'll have 2. a better reaction from the Internet community to list on the dust sleeve. Finally, you'll 3. sell even more during the next revision. In short, it's in your best interest to use us to write a better book. It will improve your reputation. Plus, Joni deserves better. I for one like the idea of a Joni book but have not bought yours so far. Give me a reason to buy it. Respectfully, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: "The Best Of Duke Ellington" on Capitol Jesus, Capitol did a sh*tty job of mastering this. You can hear something (the lathe?) wavering up to speed in the opening seconds of "Warm Valley". How disgustingly unprofessional and un-respectful! Bleech! Sure, it's better than nothing, but that's such an insulting standard when one should be exalting a great artist. (Do I sense a parallel here?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:49:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC << Bob (Cover Project) Muller moaned that obviously this proved that Hinton was lurking. >> Just for the record, it was pat that made this statement, not moi... << np: "The Best Of Duke Ellington" on Capitol Jesus, Capitol did a sh*tty job of mastering this. >> That's the price you pay for having all that audiophile stuff! ;~) And I bet Jesus has a great copy of it! Seeing as how he could bring the dead back to life and all, he probably just changed some water to wine and is kicked back and grooving on it! :~D Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "waltz #1" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:07:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Open Letter To Author Hinton., NJC You said: > Just for the record, it was pat that made this statement, not moi... Ooops! Sorry Bob! You said, > That's the price you pay for having all that audiophile stuff! ;~) Not at all! You can hear pitch problems with average stuff too. In fact, I'm one of those annoying champagne-taste-on-a-beer-budget types! I don't have the ultra expensive stuff but I can talk the talk! One time at work, one of my peers was listening to something that was recorded live at the Gran' Ole Opry. It was coming out of computer speakers (cheap ones at that- Like I said, it was at work.) Anyway, I commented that it was a shame to play such a beautiful rendition on an UPRIGHT piano. Both of my peers were in awe: "You can TELL it's an upright??" Sheesh. It's not like I TRY to pick stuff apart. I don't. It's just that my ear is too easily offended. It's a prissy curse and I hate it. But it's me. (Imagine David Lahm playing jazz at the Howlin' Wolf on an UPRIGHT. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Lamadoo (who might be at Ashara's after all)... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:03:46 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: UK Joni Fest - I was there! Hi listers My first Fest and delighted to have been present. My thanks to all there. It was a pleasure to put faces to names and better still to sing the songs with you all. Apologies for fluffing the Amelia chords but thanks too for bearing with me. Special thanks to Chris Marshall for making it all happen and I hope that we can get together again when I re-learn more of the Joni catalogue. I'll be better prepared next time - let's hope it is soon. It's a shame Jamie Zoob couldn't stay longer. He treated us all to a top rendition of Edith and the Kingpin. Shimmered like the original. Good luck for the New England gig. I wish I could be there. Les Ross (London) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:03:39 EDT From: Pbart123@aol.com Subject: Unreleased Joni Is the unreleased Joni being compiled being treed? I have been out of town and was not able to catch up on my digests, but would be interested if this is treed. Thanks Pam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:11:12 GMT From: "James Phillips" Subject: NJC the Ani thread Hey, I was noticing this thread about another favourite of mine, Ani DiFranco, and just had to jump in on it. I like Ani because of her willingness to put her music out herself, as opposed to recording for a major label and having to change her music around to meet major label tastes. I also like her lyrics. They tell stories, like Joni's and Rickie Lee Jones'. You could read an Ani lyric and have yourself a short story. If you never got any Ani, the best place to start would be her live album, Living In Clip, then jump to the studio albums. I also recommend the two albums she did with Utah Phillips. They were spoken word albums to which Ani put instrumental parts to. Really cool stuff I think. Need to run, but I will say this: I have a black Ani tshirt from the Dilate album that I wear, especially when I play live. James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:26:59 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: k.d.'s pants, Invicinble Summer & joyful Joni (NJC) I have to agree. k.d.'s new album is her best since "All You Can Eat". It is visceral and happy, and as she says, spiritual. It's all about love. I made it to one of her concerts last week, (she's the opening act for Sting's first 8 concerts and then goes off on her own tour). She was barefoot. The whole band wore surfer shirts, and the 3 backup singer women wore surfer-like outfits too. (Invicible Summer....). k.d. had on orange pants and a surfer/hawaian shirt. She danced and with arms outstretched 'flew' all over the stage in mock surf-mode, a lot. She laughed and had fun with those of us close-up. She clearly has a ball performing, and hearing the new songs live was incredible. She's very comfortable onstage and talks and laughs and acts spontaneously. (I'd never seen her perform before so I was out of my skin!). The audience, who mostly came to see Sting, was hardly even in their seats when she went on, so lots of emply seats, although the lawn picnicers were jampacked. We grooved and danced in the aisle with her and she loved that. She did a few of her old songs too: Miss Chatterlain, and of course Constant Craving. And when it was time to introduce Sting, she sang her new song "Extraordinary Thing" and changed the lyric to "Extraordinary Sting". Cute. I love her. Her webpage (www.kdlang.com) has samples and also some cool interview stuff. She didn't sing "Help Me", but . . . oh well. I know this is not the k.d. list, but I had to respond. Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net N.P. Sting - Someone To Watch Over Me ========== >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:17:05 -0700 >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Wilcox" >To: "JMDL" ; "Mark or Travis" >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:10 AM >Subject: RE: k d's pants njc > > >> So on a more serious note... what did you all think of k.d.'s new >album? I >> hear it definitely is.... er... happy. I thought that "drag" was >great-- so >> dark. I think k.d.'s voice is perfect for that sort of brooding >jazz/pop -- >> so what happened? And more importantly-- does it work? Is it good? >> >> eric > >k.d. can also belt out a country song or (in her early days) rock out >with the best of them. I don't think she's going to be willing to >conform to any one category (just like someone else we know). 'Drag' >also has a couple of lighter moments - The Air That I Breathe, The >Joker - k.d. can express joy along with the best of them. Does music >or art *have* to be dark & gloomy to be good? > >Invincible Summer is all about the stage of romance that Joni sings >about in the first two songs of BSN. At last my love has come along, >you're my thrill and life is all sunshine. I've never been really >impressed with much of k.d.'s original songs except for 'Absolute >Torch &Twang' which had some great material on it. But I think >'Invincible Summer' has some really nice songs on it. So far this is >my favorite: > >Simple >(Pitch/lang) > >Flawless light in a darkening air >Alone and shining there >Love will not elude you >Love is simple >I worship this tenacity >And the beautiful struggle we're in >Love will not elude us >Love is simple >Be sure to know that >All in love is ours >And love, as a philosophy is simple >I am calm in oblivion >Calm, as I ever have been >Love will not elude me >Love is simple >Be sure to know that >All in love is ours...is ours... >That all in love is ours >And love, as a philosophy is simple... >And ours > > The production of the record is similar to that of Drag - it has kind >of a retro feeling to it but since I don't keep up with trends in >popular music, I will leave it to others to describe it better. > >Enough of that since this is not the k.d. lang list. I recommend this >record, however. Don't be afraid of letting some joy into your lives >& record collections, people. And isn't The Only Joy in Town also on >Night Ride Home? And how about that title track? How dare Joni >include an empty little ditty about lusting after a lady killer on the >Spanish Steps and a pretty little tune about a drive on the beach on a >pretty night on the same record with Slouching and Cherokee Louise? >With crickets, no less! What was she thinking??? > >Mark in Seattle >meaning no offense, just getting in a little affectionate teasing >(everybody has a right to their own opinion even if it is the wrong ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:19:58 EDT From: BMGKotler@aol.com Subject: Re: A Light-Hearted Moment My three-year-old daughter and I listen to tapes in the car when we're driving back and forth from work/preschool. Sometimes we listen to "Mommy music" (Joni, of course) and sometimes we listen to her music (Raffi, Sesame Street, etc.) . A few days ago she asked, "Mommy, let's listen to the song where the lady sings with the elephant." I could not figure out what she was talking about. I put on Raffi, and all sorts of kids tapes, but could not please her. She settled for something else and I forgot about it. A few days after that we were listening to Joni and "Nathan LaFraneer" came on. My daughter shouted, "Mommy, this is the song where the lady sings with the elephant." Silly me, she thought the banshee was an elephant and I didn't have the heart to tell her that it wasn't! Some NJC: On impulse on Friday I picked up a new CD -- "Appalachian Journey" - -- Yo-Yo Ma, Edgar Meyer and Mark O'Connor with special guest James Taylor! JT sings a beautiful Stephen Foster tune called 'Hard Times Come Again No More." The whole CD is gorgeous, but the JT track is a real treat! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:39:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Ellington, NJC > > np: "The Best Of Duke Ellington" on Capitol > Jesus, Capitol did a sh*tty job of mastering this. You can hear something > (the lathe?) wavering up to speed in the opening seconds of "Warm Valley". > How disgustingly unprofessional and un-respectful! Bleech! Sure, it's > better than nothing, but that's such an insulting standard when one should > be exalting a great artist. (Do I sense a parallel here?) > Speaking of Ellington, I got the 'Money Jungle' cd based on recommendations from people on this list. It's wonderful and I just wanted to thank all the people who mentioned it. It's amazing what exquisite music can be made with just piano (Duke), bass (Mingus) and drums (Roach). Mark in Seattle PS: just wanted to tell David Lahm that I also bought George Russell's 'New York, New York' a while ago & really enjoy that too. Thanks, David! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:41:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Unreleased Joni << Is the unreleased Joni being compiled being treed? >> Nothing definite announced as yet, Pam...a lot of the known existing stuff IS available through previous tape/CD tree offers, so contact me if you're interested in getting it... Bob NP: The Band, "The Weight" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:53:24 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: Tribute album news from Reprise Last i heard was this, Janet Jackson: "The Beat Of Black Wings." k.d. lang: "Help Me." Sarah McLachlan: "Blue." Elvis Costello: "Edith And The Kingpin." Etta James: "Amelia." Chaka Kahn: "Hejira." Bjork: "Jericho" or "The Boho Dance." have already been put to tape. (3-5 additional songs have been recorded since last March by other artists. More info soon...) but that was back in january ! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:09:24 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: UK fest - wow :-) Hey all, Well, what can I say? I've just come to the end of what ended up as three days and three nights of Joni-related entertainment. It's been a bit of a blur, but I think it went like this... Thursday night was when it kicked off with the slightly unexpected arrival of Sue Cameron. I'd been expecting her a night later, but a, er, wrinkle, in the travel plans saw her turn up here as opposed to Colin's place. We ended up with a bit of a floating population for the evening, but Sue, Colin, John and I were there the entire time and had fun putting the world to rights and, as I recall, talking about sex... I hate to be vague, but I think Sue and I put away a certain amount of wine. Friday saw Colin, Sue and I at lunch at a quite wonderful restaurant in March, just down the road from Colin's house. Great food, good service and reasonable prices. Steve Mitchell, a newish lister who lives 10 minutes walk from me, joined us in the evening and we kicked off the 'fest proper with a bufet and a whole bunch of music. Much of it wasn't Joni, and some of it was cheesy 70's disco (Over to Colin... :->) Saturday was when the real action began. Phil Klein arrived ust before midday, along with Sue Cameron again. Jamie Zubairi also arrived then, so them, syself and Steve trundled into Cambridge for lunch somewhere italian. We're lucky to have a (chain) italian restaurant by the river next to Magdelene College. Wonderful view, good food, even if we did have to sit inside. In the afternoon, Les Ross turned up (my late invitation having given him an excuse to avoid boring software work), along with Martin Giles and Azeem. My singer friend Sarah arrived on her little motorbike soon after, and Colin and John arrived late afternoon. We BBQd until it was dark, finishing that off with a sing- song in the garden, accompanied variously by Les, Phil and (I think) Martin on the guitar. With the evening drawing on, we retired inside to carry on with the music. Martin, myself and Sarah had a go at Coyote, Black Crow and Hejira, and Steve provided pronunciation guidelines for the latter song title. Sarah and Martin then treated us to a Tracy Chapman song - the title to which I've forgotten. That's not important, but Sarah's voice is - she's FANTASTIC :-) We gotta get that girl recorded :-) Phil, Les, Azeem then played various songs accompanied by all on voice. I don't know what time we finished... All I know is that by the time we'd all watched the TNT tribute (Diana Krall wow! Richard Thompson similarly so. Elton John giving a commsumately professional performance) it was heading for 4am, and the evening drew to a close. Sometime between TNT and bed, a shrinkwrapped Mendel catalogue was opened to the accompaniment of a popping champagne cork... Sunday saw most people depart, leaving Martin, Azeem, Phil and myself to return to Cambridge and sit by the river once again for lunch. Same restaurant, but outside this time. Pictures when I manage to upload them! So there we are! As usual, my impressions of Joni listers, both those I already know and the new people I met, are overwhelmingly positive. Thanks all - you made it all happen as much as anyone. I didn't quite manage to hug everyone - sorry Ashara - I failed. However, Azeem managed to get just about everyone! So, I've had a great weekend, and I'm just winding down now, and trying to figure out what to do with the fridge full of leftover food. OK, the laptop battery is about to die, so I'd better hit the send button right away. But let's do it all again sometime soon! Regards, - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:35:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > > > I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then you > should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. So far this is > my favorite: > You are kidding, right? Creativity, doing great things, giving, helping ,caring-if there is no joy there is no life and that makes it negative. Life with no fun is not a life but an empty meaningless waste of time and energy. The main purpose of life is to experience joy. No life is without pain, of course, but that is not it's purpose. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:23:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: ukfest The UK was far from uk! Sue's chauffeur took her to Chris' place, thinking he was me. So i drove down there to pick her up. But with talking and food etc it didn't work out that way. Instead, she stayed the night with Chris and I left about 1.30am. I was pretty knackered as we have had the central heating men in all weekstarting really early every day and finsihing late. So no afternoon naps for me! Sue brought me a lovely 'Michigan' sweatshirt and a T shirt with a map of Michigan on it. The following day, Chris, Sue and I went to lunch at the Plate and Porter. A lovely restaurant onwed by a super lady named Lisa. Food is excellent and prices good. $70 for the three of us. That evening Sue, John(my partner) and I went back to Chris'. Joined by steven Mitchell who is easy to get on with, a good sense of humour and a good singing voice. We had a laugh. Forgot to mention Thursday night Chris cooked a great Thai curry. He did one especially for me without the stuff I can't eat! I was VERY impressed. it tasted great. I was expecting him to just take the chicken out of the curry and give that to me and no rice. But no. He cooked it differently, still chillied(love those) and vegeis done just as I like them. His only fault being he didn't know what mineral water was and I had to make do with tap!!!! I didn't go to the lunch the following day because we didn't feel we could leave the dogs all day. We arrived in the evening. There was this girl there called Strings(sarah) who was dream. Very young, a med student. A wonderful Dr she is going to make. i have never seen a person so full of herself. Not in an arrogant way at all. Just so full of life and her attitude to others was tremendous. No self consciouness at all. warm and loving and free. The light just shone out of her.(of course she might have been high or manic!) There was Phil who played the guitar, and Martin who did the same(I've met him before), Azeem (also met him before)on bongos, James(met him at a Dra concert) also on guitar and who can sing boy soprano! Steve as mentioned before who also sang and could sing high. Chris played what I later found out was bass when i asked what that rumbling sound was! And Les also played the guitar and strangely sang higher than I expected. Strange becasue his speaking voice is to die for. DEEP. Really deep and with this gentle Scottish accent. Like with my John whose voice is also deep, I found it hard to hear everything he said so i just listened to the voice and fantazied about what he was saying.... Sarah , Sue and I sang along when we could. Sarah tho can really sing! We had a bar-b. I was in charge of that and burned all the ribs! F***ing bar-b's I hate them! Always too hot. Black on the outside and pink in the middle! Chris solved it by giving me foil trays with holes in to cook on. I think then all the fish, chicken, sausages burgers etc were alright. phew! John and I left at 11.30pm. I am afraid I just couldn't take anymore! I was knackered and still am. This was a beautiful experience for me. I felt like I belonged and was with people where wwe all shared something wonderful. It made me feel all gooey. When i got this pc I had no idea where it would lead. It has certainly opened up the world to me. It was such a nice feeling, one I have never had before. that cosy, beloinging with friends feeling. I will not forget that. Ever. (I have checked and re chekced this and am so afraid I have forgotten someone) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:53:12 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Jonifest pics Chris, thanks for sharing the UK Jonifest pics with the rest of us. (that was fast). The photos were great and it sure looks like the UK group (and Sue) know how to party and Joni-jam with the best of them. I did take note of the gorgeous weather. Before I brought the pics up, I kept thinking I would see these jmdlers sitting in rain coats playing guitar in some thick fog. LOL I guess I need to make it over to the UK to get rid of the sterotype weather impressions I've always had :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:11:42 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Hard Times Come Again No More (NJC) BMGKotler@aol.com wrote: > Some NJC: On impulse on Friday I picked up a new CD -- "Appalachian Journey" > -- Yo-Yo Ma, Edgar Meyer and Mark O'Connor with special guest James Taylor! > JT sings a beautiful Stephen Foster tune called 'Hard Times Come Again No > More." The whole CD is gorgeous, but the JT track is a real treat! Thanks for the tip -- I'll look for that CD. It's a good song: Nanci Griffith did it on her 1998 CD, "Other Voices, Too". My favorite version is pretty obscure -- a North Carolina bluegrass band called Dry Branch Fire Squad. It's on their 1996 CD "Live at Last", Rounder CD 0339. NP: HTCANM by DBFS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:53:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: UK Jonifest pics > . Before I brought the pics up, I > kept thinking I would see these jmdlers sitting in rain coats playing guitar > in some thick fog. LOL If this had been a couple of weeks ago, that is what you'd have got! This has been the worst summer for years-cold, wet, cloudy and foogy! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:26:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni Audio pioneer The new DVD Audio technology is finally coming to the common folk. Offered with the new player from Panasonic is a sampler disc of the mew 6 channel sound. Full page ad in the paper today prominently displays BSN Joni as one of the tracks. Jerry np: Kate Bush: The Whole Story ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:13:28 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni Well, that statement was meant to be sarcastic. My reaction to the new album there has been digust simply because of the fact that its happy and fun. No one, of course, should expect to devote every minute to high art, I suppose. Its not that the album is happy that gets me-- it seems a bit shallow. Skin deep. Unimportant. That's clearly the message she's trying to get across-- and I jsut don't know if I'm looking for that in music. any thoughts? eric - who's quite sure its time to break down and give "Invincible Summer" a try. - -----Original Message----- From: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:36 PM To: Eric Wilcox; joni Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > > > I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then you > should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. So far this is > my favorite: > You are kidding, right? Creativity, doing great things, giving, helping ,caring-if there is no joy there is no life and that makes it negative. Life with no fun is not a life but an empty meaningless waste of time and energy. The main purpose of life is to experience joy. No life is without pain, of course, but that is not it's purpose. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:43:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > . My reaction to the new > album there has been digust simply because of the fact that its happy and > fun. But why? What is wrong with happy and fun? > No one, of course, should expect to devote every minute to high art, I > suppose. Why can't 'high art' be happy and fun? Maybe you were being sarcy and I am misunderstanding but you seem to be saying that the only worthwhile art is that produced by pain. I must be misunderstanding you. Surely you can't mean that? > > > Its not that the album is happy that gets me-- it seems a bit shallow. Skin > deep. Unimportant. That's clearly the message she's trying to get across-- > and I jsut don't know if I'm looking for that in music. Again why does happy and fun mean shallow? Joy is every bit as deep feeling as sorrow. Is happiness and fun unimportant? bw colin > > > any thoughts? > > eric - who's quite sure its time to break down and give "Invincible Summer" > a try. > > -----Original Message----- > From: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:36 PM > To: Eric Wilcox; joni > Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > > > > > > > I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then > you > > should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. So far this is > > my favorite: > > > > You are kidding, right? > Creativity, doing great things, giving, helping ,caring-if there is no joy > there > is no life and that makes it negative. > Life with no fun is not a life but an empty meaningless waste of time and > energy. The main purpose of life is to experience joy. No life is without > pain, > of course, but that is not it's purpose. > bw > colin - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:38:50 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni I originally said "Its not that the album is happy that gets me-- it seems a bit shallow. Skin deep. Unimportant. That's clearly the message she's trying to get across-- and I jsut don't know if I'm looking for that in music." I stick to that statement. The whle idea of a summer fling. Doing something on a whim. No consequences. No depth. No emotion. Just go with a feeling. Make yourself happy because nothing else matters. The music seems to reflect these themes-- and for me-- that just seems a bit-- shallow. There are many happy songs that are quite deep/artistic. But this latest work seems to be quite lacking in intellect. eric - -----Original Message----- From: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 4:44 PM To: Eric Wilcox Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > . My reaction to the new > album there has been digust simply because of the fact that its happy and > fun. But why? What is wrong with happy and fun? > No one, of course, should expect to devote every minute to high art, I > suppose. Why can't 'high art' be happy and fun? Maybe you were being sarcy and I am misunderstanding but you seem to be saying that the only worthwhile art is that produced by pain. I must be misunderstanding you. Surely you can't mean that? > > > Its not that the album is happy that gets me-- it seems a bit shallow. Skin > deep. Unimportant. That's clearly the message she's trying to get across-- > and I jsut don't know if I'm looking for that in music. Again why does happy and fun mean shallow? Joy is every bit as deep feeling as sorrow. Is happiness and fun unimportant? bw colin > > > any thoughts? > > eric - who's quite sure its time to break down and give "Invincible Summer" > a try. > > -----Original Message----- > From: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:36 PM > To: Eric Wilcox; joni > Subject: Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni > > > > > > > I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then > you > > should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. So far this is > > my favorite: > > > > You are kidding, right? > Creativity, doing great things, giving, helping ,caring-if there is no joy > there > is no life and that makes it negative. > Life with no fun is not a life but an empty meaningless waste of time and > energy. The main purpose of life is to experience joy. No life is without > pain, > of course, but that is not it's purpose. > bw > colin - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:12:54 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Thanks for the many welcomes ! Hi Folks, Many thanks to all who wrote to welcome me to the list. Made me feel quite at home. I wrote back to all, but one or two bounced. Could have been me though. Just thought the list would like to know how the "Welcoming Committee!" are making new folks feel right at home. I'll have to lurk a bit more to pick up a few threads before pitching in. Don't know what's been said about the Brian Hinton book but I thouroughly enjoyed it ( am I alone in this ). Prior to Brian's book I never saw a book solely on Joni for sale in the UK. Pretty scandalous really, so I think Brian deserves credit for redresssing that balance. Also the new edition is worth the price just for the fabulous photo of Joni on the new cover. The good news too is that the first edition must have sold out, proving that Joni does have a market in the UK. If only she could get a record company to promote her work properly. Wouldn't "Answer Me" have made a brilliant single.....? Best wishes to all.........STEVE...the impossible dreamer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:21:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What Is Context? Was: "Re: k d's pants, Invincible Summer & joyful Joni, NJC" Hi Colin, There's a big gap between what Eric wrote and what you responded to. Maybe I can help out here. In brief, Eric was not talking about a "Life with no fun". And yes, he's kidding. It was a tongue-in-cheek statement. Let's examine together what Eric actually wrote: Eric Wilcox wrote: (((( Mark- Its not the happiness that I'm opposed to-- though I do admit I do seem to enjoy the dark and gloomy sides of many artists. I guess its because I never really saw k.d. lang as a pop star. She's got a voice that can belt out a great country song. And more recently, she's shown the ability to sing great jazz. You're right in that there are fun/happy songs on any darker release-- but to devote an entire album to happy and flings and doing things on a whim-- that, *to me* seems a bit-- empty. )))))) Now Jim speaks: In the first sentence Eric is doing something important- he's setting the context for his post. "Context" is where a writer gives an environment, a surrounding, to his thought. It's up to the reader to enter the writer's environment, his context, so that the Writer's meaning will be useful and clear. To ignore context is to disrespect the writer. In those first 8 words, Eric states his context. In those 8 words, he did not promote "Life with no fun". He is not discussing how one leads one's life at all. That's not the context (environment, surrounding) of his thought. In fact he states just the opposite; he states that he's not against happiness. Eric is saying that he prefers the gloomy side of many artists. He's saying that if one appreciates the depth of the serious / dark songs, then the happy songs seem superficial or empty or hollow. Eric is saying that a whole album of happy songs seem hollow. Now the rest of Eric's post: (((( I guess I feel like if you've got the ability to do great things-- then you should never have a moment to yourself just to have fun. How screwed up is that? Eric - realizing that its August and still has had no "summerfling" ))))))) Now Jim speaks again: In the context, (the meaning that its surrounding brings), Eric is saying that he ironically seems to feel something incredible and unhealthy. It is this "incredible" statement that you ceased upon. But your interpretation took this one sentence out of context (surrounding, environment). I realize that if you take it out of context (its surrounding), Eric seems to be promoting something unhealthy. But his context (his surrounding) specifies that he's not talking about philosophy (Uhhh... the way to live one's life). He's talking about his preferences in choice of material for singers. Right after the line that you quoted, Eric pokes fun at himself. By poking fun at himself, he's saying that he feels funny, uncomfortable, ambivilant about the statement. Uhh... he feels two ways about the statement. In effect, he is leaving a clue about context again. By poking fun at his own incredible and unhealthy statement, he's winking at the reader. He's going out of his way to point out (without an emoticon) again that he's not advocating a cheerless life. He's just saying that he prefers cheerless, but thoughtful, _songs_. Eric's context is right there in the post. He explained his context early and often. He closed by hinting again at his context and the irony of his single "incredible" statement. My take is that it is not good to ignore context. It's sort of inappropriate to respond to something he didn't say. :) Do you see my point? In summary: Context is surrounding or environment. Context is important to understanding a writer's meaning. Responding out of context is bad. All the best, Jim np: It's Christmas, Charlie Brown. PS- Sorry Paul, no links this time! :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" > You are kidding, right? > Creativity, doing great things, giving, helping ,caring-if there is no joy there > is no life and that makes it negative. > Life with no fun is not a life but an empty meaningless waste of time and > energy. The main purpose of life is to experience joy. No life is without pain, > of course, but that is not it's purpose. > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:29:07 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: ukfest, NJC Colin, What a great post! I felt like I was there. I'm glad you got to experience that JoniFest spirit! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" > This was a beautiful experience for me. I felt like I belonged and was > with people where wwe all shared something wonderful. It made me feel > all gooey. When i got this pc I had no idea where it would lead. It has > certainly opened up the world to me. It was such a nice feeling, one I > have never had before. that cosy, beloinging with friends feeling. I > will not forget that. Ever. > > (I have checked and re chekced this and am so afraid I have forgotten > someone) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:56:40 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: UK JoniFest at JMDL Joniphiles - The UK Jonifest event has been put on-line at JMDL: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/jf0008uk.cfm My apologies in advance to Chris for using his photos without first getting his approval. Am I in trouble, Chris?? :-) Les NP: Mark O'Connor "Midnight on the Water" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:58:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Thanks for the many welcomes ! << Don't know what's been said about the Brian Hinton book but I thouroughly enjoyed it ( am I alone in this ).>> Not at all, Steve...I enjoyed it immensely, Hinton's snide asides notwithstanding. And he had a nice Bootleg/Covers Discography in the back that I found very interesting as well... << If only she could get a record company to promote her work properly. Wouldn't "Answer Me" have made a brilliant single.....? >> I don't think anything on BSN would have made much of a splash in the singles charts...I couldn't hear "Answer Me, My Love" without thinking of Nat King Cole's version which is a ton better imo...I guess I would have picked "I Wish I Were In Love Again" as it was a little more upbeat. Although it would have been the most successful to release "ACOY" or "BSN" as there would have been some familiarity for the fans who just want to hear Joni's older material... Bob NP: Ani, "Amazing Grace" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:35:43 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: UK JoniFest at JMDL > My apologies in advance to Chris for using his photos without > first getting his approval. Am I in trouble, Chris?? :-) Not at all! I love what you've done with it. There's one more picture of Sunday lunch for you to snarf, in the same place as the others. I think Martin Giles has a few pics also - Martin? Ouch. It's gone 2am again! (That's 2am, 2am, 4am, 2am... I'm getting too old for this!) Night night, - --Chris (all partied out, just having returned from a BBQ in Cambridge... in the rain!!!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #448 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?