From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #438 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 438 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Carla Helmbrecht ["Kakki" ] Re: Luftig book on Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Miles Davis, LJC [B Merrill ] Re: Miles Davis, LJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] What happened to Nick Drake? [Erin Stoy ] Nick Drake (NJC) [Michael Bird ] Music's Jane Austen? [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC ["Peg Eves" ] RE: JMDL Artists NJC ["Bryan Thomas" ] RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC ["P. Henry" ] NJC Mid-life career changes [diana ] Re: JMDL Artists NJC [Scott Price ] RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC ["Peg Eves" ] Open Letters (NJC) ["Van Metre, Gordon" ] RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC ["Peg Eves" ] RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC ["Peg Eves" ] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [Erin Stoy ] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [Mark Domyancich ] Re:A Cat Story etc.! NJC [john low ] Beatles LIVE (njc) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re:BeaTles (nJc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: BeaTles (nJc) ["Eric Wilcox" ] re: Beatles NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Beatles NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: BeaTles (nJc) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Beatles NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Miles Davis (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] NJC, Steely Dan In UK and the Continentent ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] My Job (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:18:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht Leslie wrote: >Carla hung out with us quite a bit between songs and > three of us bought her CD. Carla told us that she is >currently working on a new CD, but alas, no Joni content on >the next one. > Carla was very touched that we came out specifically to >hear her and she treated us to a live version of "Song To A >Seagull." This is so fantastic! It sounds like you all made each other's night. I would love to hear her STAS live. Maybe she will be inspired to interpret another Joni song on the album after next. To think only a couple months ago she was a mere glint in Stephen and my eyes and now she is hanging out with jmdlers ;-) Wonderful that you met her and thanks for the report! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:21:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Luftig book on Joni << How familiar is anyone here with a book called _The Joni Mitchell Companion : Four Decades of Commentary_, by Stacey Luftig? >> Hi Dave, I'll also chip in and say that this book is great. Stacey was actually on the list before the book was published, and puts in a little thank you note to the JMDL in her acknowledgements. Hi to you if you're still out there, Stacey! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:27:34 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Miles Davis, LJC Hi David, Thanks for your extended consideration. >When Miles Davis first attracted attention (ironic, no?) for turning his back >on the audience, he was at the height of his stature as a pure jazz musician. And when did he begin to do this? This whole question of sincerity, as opposed to the professionalism, or the generosity of trying to connect with your audience by emoting & projecting towards them (which Miles did not do...) is still complicated for me, and I haven't sorted it out. I.e. Is it better before Joni to be sincerely pissed off in Scotland, or (insincerely?) professional, and projecting warmth to her audience, despite her resentment...? As someone whose been on stage and in the audience, I respect the professionalism of the "trooper," someone who makes the effort to project no matter what frame of mind they happen to be in. Another angle on this is that many blamed Davis for *pandering* to his audience, wanting to be wealthy and au courant, and so moving into E-Z Lite jazz or tedious funk jazz... selling out, in brief. At the same time that he turned his back to them! As to how Miles felt about his audience, at different stages of his career, that may come out in his autobiography, & various biographies. >Miles Davis, at his peak, was a supreme musician and communicator. His manner >was perceivably aloof, yes; I have no reliable clue about his "true" feelings >regarding his audience. But your comment that he spared himself the work of >connecting emotionally with listeners is, to say the least, surprising and >I'd have to say, most inaccurate. Maybe we're not talking about the same thing? I wasn't saying that he'd stopped bothering to make real music-- tho something like that has been said about his later "On the Corner" etc period!-- but he certainly was not putting any effort into connecting, as another human up on stage, to his audience. As Gillespie or Armstrong, say, would consistently aspire to: Smiling for & talking to the folks who've come to see you. I'd prefer good music combined with a friendly demeanor, myself. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:08:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Davis, LJC <> There's nothing wrong with Joni being pissed off, as long as she pours that emotion into the performance. On the '98 tour, there are several examples where she had to deal with some heckler, and responds with an emotionally charged song. (In Atlanta, it was an electrified 'Magdalene Laundries). I don't think she needs to project insincere warmth. All of us have probably been to shows where the performers were patronizing and phony. I don't think any of would like to see Joni in that light. By the same token, with tickets running $50 and higher, I have no tolerance for a performer who's not interested in working hard and trying to give the audience their best. The best performers (and I include Joni in this group) not only rise above that mentality, but have the ability to channel the negative energy into their art and make the best of it... Bob NP: Juliana Hatfield, "Congratulations" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: What happened to Nick Drake? Unfortunately, Nick Drake died at age 26 (in 1974) from an overdose of antidepressants. He had been suicidal in the past, and the coroner labeled it a suicide, but his family maintains that the overdose was accidental. Has anyone else noticed that artists in the folk genre seem to die early, unnatural deaths? Like Sandy Denny, who fell down the stairs and died? Phil Ochs, who hung himself? Tim Hardin, Harry Chapin, Tim Buckley (whose son Jeff, although not a 'folkie', also died young... in a mysterious drowning)? Erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: Nick Drake (NJC) Hi Pat. Nick Drake is one of my favorites. Someone else may already have answered your question, but if not ... Nick Drake died in November 1974, in his twenties. His death may or may not have been a suicide -- the cause of death was an overdose of pills, however some ambiguity remains as to whether or not it was an accident. He was certainly suffering from acute depression, possibly made worse by his fear of coming out as a gay man. A lot of this is conjecture put together from those who knew him, which is why it all sounds so vague. He only released three discs in his lifetime. A fourth disc was released posthumously, and there's a fifth (I think bootleg-only) disc floating around of "home recordings." All highly recommended for those who don't know him -- the "Fruit Tree" box set is a gem, with great sound, terrific photos and liner notes. Nickel Chief - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:25:52 EDT From: "Pat Post" Subject: men with soul Someone on the list mentioned Nick Drake, on the 'number two'thread, he is very soulful. I am curious if that person has info on what happened to Nick Drake, is he still around? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:20:10 +0100 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: Music's Jane Austen? This might be of interest, it appeared in Saturday's UK Times. It's part of a series highlighting key moments in "contemporary culture". Mike LADIES OF THE CANYON (1970) THE ROLE of women in rock music at the end of the Sixties was largely based on a mirage of emancipation. Despite all the rhetoric of revolution, women remained in subservient roles in the hippy hierarchy and frequently suffered a chauvinism far worse than that experienced by their mothers. The observant Joni Mitchell was one of the few female voices in popular music to expose such double standards. Living on Lookout Mountain in the idyllic Topanga Canyon, she was surrounded by wealthy rock stars playing out rustic fantasies. This, her third solo album, was rather like watching a modern-day Jane Austen confronting the social mores of the hip aristocracy. The title track portrayed three canyon ladies - artist, musician and earth mother - effectively a composite of Mitchell herself. There was a light- hearted essay in ecology (Big Yellow Taxi) and a reverent tribute to the recent Woodstock festival, which she had been unable to attend. What impressed most was her acute reflections on men in her orbit. Conversation nailed male vanities and insecurities with needle-sharp precision. In Willy, her recent paramour Graham Nash was portrayed as emotionally immature. Neil Young was the subject of the Circle Game and he, too, was addressed like a lost little boy. Small wonder that Mitchell spawned a generation of grateful imitators. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:49:25 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC and colin added: > >possibly because she is a lesbian.> > > duh! ya think? LoL!!! Pat, Colin, That's a joke right? You're fascitiously labeling me. Otherwise I've failed in explaining my thoughts - You don't really think the reason I am agitated that Ferron's career is jeopardized is because we're both lesbians. Right? Peg > --- > > > > http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:53:23 -0400 From: "Bryan Thomas" Subject: RE: JMDL Artists NJC <> It's my bad. I still haven't gotten my pix and stuff together for the great one, Mr. Irvin. Hopefully by the end of this week. The big excuse - I'm in wedding mode. 7 weeks and counting! (First dance: Joni's version of "At Last.") My fingers are crossed that I'll see y'all at Chez Ashara. Still not sure. Peace y'all, B. - --- http://www.bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:11:25 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC peg whoa! hold on there girlfriend! where did you read that in that short msg??? I'm pretty sure colin was responding, very plainly, to my original question... neither of us said anything about you. you read that one *way* wrong. no such inference was made. hope that's clear enough. :o) pat - -- On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:49:25 Peg Eves wrote: > and colin added: >> >possibly because she is a lesbian.> >> >> duh! ya think? LoL!!! > >Pat, Colin, > >That's a joke right? You're fascitiously labeling me. Otherwise I've failed in explaining my thoughts - You don't really think the reason I am agitated that Ferron's career is jeopardized is because we're both lesbians. Right? >Peg >> >http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:26:55 -0500 From: diana Subject: NJC Mid-life career changes I just want to say thank you to all of you that sent me congratulations on finishing school. Seems like there are quite a few people experiencing mid life career changes. Congrats to you, Marilyn and Pat, for pursuing your goals. Bob, I know your wife is a math teacher by your description, I can't add or subtract either but give me those trig identities to manipulate and I'm a wiz! Alan, I don't know whether to congratulate you or not. Graduate diploma is great but being called a B+ Loony isn't. I just want to encourage anyone who dreams of a new career to go for it. You're never to old and there are lots of agencies and caring people who will help you attain your goals. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:37:39 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: JMDL Artists NJC At 09:55 PM 8/6/00 EDT, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Linda (Worster)! Where are you? Stand Up and be counted! :~) Bob, Linda is out on the road for an extended gig and will be away from her computer for a few more weeks. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:20:03 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC Hi Colin, Thanks for the clarification!! I often have trouble translating the choppy phrases and all. That's why I was able to translate so poorly. Well, no of course being thought of as a lesbian is'nt an insult. Thanks for your consideration of my misreading. Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: catman [mailto:colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk] > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:41:13 -0500 From: "Van Metre, Gordon" Subject: Open Letters (NJC) For anyone who's interested in a bit of e-voyeurism, there is a site which I discovered through the "This American Life" site (which is at www.thislife.org and relates to the radio program of the same name which I can't praise enough). The site is at www.openletters.net . It is exactly what it says it is: open letters, letters composed to be read by the addressee and a wider audience as well. I love it love it and read it every day if I can. Thought some of you out there might enjoy it. And This American Live as well if you don't already know it. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:22:52 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC Thank you ,thank you!! For straightening me out . In Earnest, Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of P. > Henry > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:11 PM > To: Peg Eves > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC > > > peg > whoa! hold on there girlfriend! where did you read that in that > short msg??? I'm pretty sure colin was responding, very plainly, > to my original question... neither of us said anything about you. > you read that one *way* wrong. no such inference was made. hope > that's clear enough. :o) > > pat > > -- > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:49:25 Peg Eves wrote: > > and colin added: > >> >possibly because she is a lesbian.> > >> > >> duh! ya think? LoL!!! > > > >Pat, Colin, > > > >That's a joke right? You're fascitiously labeling me. Otherwise > I've failed in explaining my thoughts - You don't really think > the reason I am agitated that Ferron's career is jeopardized is > because we're both lesbians. Right? > >Peg > > > > >> > >http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:25:54 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC Thanks Bro. You DIDN'T misunderstand. I'm relieved. In Earnest, Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Henry [mailto:badwolff@angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:11 PM > To: Peg Eves > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Ferron Ambushed NJC > > > peg > whoa! hold on there girlfriend! where did you read that in that > short msg??? I'm pretty sure colin was responding, very plainly, > to my original question... neither of us said anything about you. > you read that one *way* wrong. no such inference was made. hope > that's clear enough. :o) > > pat > > -- > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:49:25 Peg Eves wrote: > > and colin added: > >> >possibly because she is a lesbian.> > >> > >> duh! ya think? LoL!!! > > > >Pat, Colin, > > > >That's a joke right? You're fascitiously labeling me. Otherwise > I've failed in explaining my thoughts - You don't really think > the reason I am agitated that Ferron's career is jeopardized is > because we're both lesbians. Right? > >Peg > > > > >> > >http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:29:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? In a message dated 8/7/00 9:53:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, erinstoy77@yahoo.com writes: << Has anyone else noticed that artists in the folk genre seem to die early, unnatural deaths? Like Sandy Denny, who fell down the stairs and died? Phil Ochs, who hung himself? Tim Hardin, Harry Chapin, Tim Buckley (whose son Jeff, although not a 'folkie', also died young... in a mysterious drowning)? Erin >> I don't think it's only the folk genre that is hazardous to one's health. Being a drummer for a rock band is even worse, almost as deadly as being keyboard player for the Grateful Dead. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I don't think it's only the folk genre that is > hazardous to one's health. > Being a drummer for a rock band is even worse, > almost as deadly as being > keyboard player for the Grateful Dead. > > Paul I ALTHOUGH NOT NEARLY AS DEADLY AS BEING A DRUMMER FOR SPINAL TAP!! HA! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:14:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? Or how about being the drummer for Def Leopard? Losing an arm would be grounds for suicide, if you ask me. At 12:31 PM -0700 8/7/00, Erin Stoy wrote: >ALTHOUGH NOT NEARLY AS DEADLY AS BEING A DRUMMER FOR >SPINAL TAP!! HA! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:44:15 +1000 From: john low Subject: Re:A Cat Story etc.! NJC Thanks for the congratulations re the footy, Hell. Another last minute victory and this time you are the one experiencing the slippery slide of emotions that I felt a couple of weeks ago. I don’t think the rest of the JMDL realise how intense these Tans-Tasman sporting duels are. And, I agree with you – I think a third match is essential to decide a series. I hope the officials will come to their senses and realise this soon too! Also, I’m glad you enjoyed hearing about Trim. When he disappeared on Mauritius (probably eaten by some hungry slave) Flinders was distraught at the loss of this “most affectionate of friends”. “My sorrow”, he said, “may be better conceived than described … Never will his like be seen again!” You know, though nearly two centuries separate them, I can easily imagine Matthew Flinders identifying very strongly with the sentiments expressed by JM in “Man From Mars”. It’s a wonderful and mysterious thing, isn’t it, this depth of feeling that can exist between a human and an animal! Cheers, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:00:27 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Beatles LIVE (njc) I saw the Beatles live 4 times. I missed the 1964 show, but got tickets to San Diego and then two nights at the Hollywood Bowl in 1965. I remember that the Watts riots werre going on at the same time as the Beatles shows. Then, in 1966, I saw them again at Dodger Stadium; my pictures show a tiny stageand four ant-sized Beatles. Bless parents who drove us to LA and picked us up after the shows. My parents also took 4 of us to Monterey Pop and back to LA to see the Yardbirds in a nightclub. That night, we had great seats and a lot of attetnion; we were probably the youngest girls there; and got a visit from Paul Samwll-Smith( one of the Yardbirds) and Giorgio Gomelsky (legendary manager of the Stones, Yardbirds,etc) My mother finally came in about 2:00am to drag us out. The Beatles show were absolute pandemomium. And although I still appreciate seeing them live, even then I was more pleased with the smaller shows where you could hear the music. But even those shows had SHORT sets, 20-30 minutes. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:31:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re:BeaTles (nJc) Well, I knew I was out of the luck the day the music died. Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL I'm just glad that I got to see two of them perform solo. The most memorable for me was to see Ringo play with his All Star Band at a little park in New Jersey. There where only about 100 or so people there. The company that my husband used to work for bestowed the tickets on us. I felt truly blessed that evening despite the threat of rain. It almost felt as though he was performing there live, just for me. It was simply amazing to think there in front of me amidst this small gathering of people was RINGO STARR!!! He was a natural on that stage. Artistic genius! "Photograph" and "Yellow Submarine" were awesome! For a moment though there was this certain sadness that came over me. Then concert ended "With a Little Help From My Friends" I felt better then and headed towards the tables where they were selling T-shirts. Rose (in NJ) who hopes that George, her favorite BEATLE is on the mend. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:42:17 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: BeaTles (nJc) That sounds like a great show. When I saw Ringo and the All-Star band perform, it included some great people. Joe Walsh of the Eagles and the James Gang, Tod Rundgren, one of the members of the Guess Who (whose name escapes me right now)-- amongst others. It was a lot of fun-- and I'm glad I got to see it. :) Has anyone seen Paul McCartney live? I've missed him every time he's come around to my area. I'll bet that's a great show to see. eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of RoseMJoy@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:32 PM To: Joni@smoe.org; [Michael Paz ] Subject: Re:BeaTles (nJc) Well, I knew I was out of the luck the day the music died. Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL I'm just glad that I got to see two of them perform solo. The most memorable for me was to see Ringo play with his All Star Band at a little park in New Jersey. There where only about 100 or so people there. The company that my husband used to work for bestowed the tickets on us. I felt truly blessed that evening despite the threat of rain. It almost felt as though he was performing there live, just for me. It was simply amazing to think there in front of me amidst this small gathering of people was RINGO STARR!!! He was a natural on that stage. Artistic genius! "Photograph" and "Yellow Submarine" were awesome! For a moment though there was this certain sadness that came over me. Then concert ended "With a Little Help From My Friends" I felt better then and headed towards the tables where they were selling T-shirts. Rose (in NJ) who hopes that George, her favorite BEATLE is on the mend. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:09:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: re: Beatles NJC Well, I knew I was out of the luck the day the music died. Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL I'm just glad that I got to see two of them perform solo. The most memorable for me was to see Ringo play with his All Star Band at a little park in New Jersey. There where only about 100 or so people there. The company that my husband used to work for bestowed the tickets on us. I felt truly blessed that evening despite the threat of rain. It almost felt as though he was performing there live, just for me. It was simply amazing to think there in front of me amidst this small gathering of people was RINGO STARR!!! He was a natural on that stage. Artistic genius! "Photograph" and "Yellow Submarine" were awesome! For a moment though there was this certain sadness that came over me. Then concert ended "With a Little Help From My Friends" I felt better then and headed towards the tables where they were selling T-shirts. Rose (in NJ) who hopes that George, her favorite BEATLE is on the mend. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:25:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles NJC Well, I knew I was out of the luck the day the music died. Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL I'm just glad that I got to see two of them perform solo. The most memorable for me was to see Ringo play with his All Star Band at a little park in New Jersey. There where only about 100 or so people there. The company that my husband used to work for bestowed the tickets on us. I felt truly blessed that evening despite the threat of rain. It almost felt as though he was performing there live, just for me. It was simply amazing to think there in front of me amidst this small gathering of people was RINGO STARR!!! He was a natural on that stage. Artistic genius! "Photograph" and "Yellow Submarine" were awesome! For a moment though there was this certain sadness that came over me. Then concert ended "With a Little Help From My Friends" I felt better then and headed towards the tables where they were selling T-shirts. Rose (in NJ) who hopes that George, her favorite BEATLE is on the mend. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:35:58 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: BeaTles (nJc) In a message dated 8/7/00 4:51:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, edwilcox@students.wisc.edu writes: << Has anyone seen Paul McCartney live? I've missed him every time he's come around to my area. I'll bet that's a great show to see. >> Although I never saw the Beatles I did see Paul's band Wings twice. I will never ever forget hearing Paul McCartneys voice especially the first time. Hes one of the all time greatest musicians ever and has one of the most unique voices I have ever heard. His personality was amazing. His band's other players were average but he made everyone else seem great. Took his sometimes dreary am hits and made them incredible. I have never seen anything quite like seeing him and it made me realize how incredible the Beatles must have been. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:38:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles NJC Michael, I tried to send this 3x and it was returned because of you e-mail address. I can't for the life of me figure out what was wrong with it, so forgive me for not cc you. I apologize to the list too if you got this post more than once. AOHell, ya know? Well, I knew I was out of the luck the day the music died. Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL I'm just glad that I got to see two of them perform solo. The most memorable for me was to see Ringo play with his All Star Band at a little park in New Jersey. There where only about 100 or so people there. The company that my husband used to work for bestowed the tickets on us. I felt truly blessed that evening despite the threat of rain. It almost felt as though he was performing there live, just for me. It was simply amazing to think there in front of me amidst this small gathering of people was RINGO STARR!!! He was a natural on that stage. Artistic genius! "Photograph" and "Yellow Submarine" were awesome! For a moment though there was this certain sadness that came over me. Then concert ended "With a Little Help From My Friends" I felt better then and headed towards the tables where they were selling T-shirts. Rose (in NJ) who hopes that George, her favorite BEATLE is on the mend. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:45:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Davis (NJC) B Merrill wrote: >>As opposed to Miles Davis, say, who established a pattern of almost >>completely ignoring his audience. He was aware of them... in that he >>turned away from them. Which makes for less work for the performer, >>since he/she doesn't have to emote and project. David Lahm addresses this issue very well in a recent post, and I wanted to elaborate/corroborate a little more. It is very dangerous to make assumptions about the behavior of anyone, much less an enigma like Miles Davis, when you don't know whole story. There are two main reasons for Miles' infamous stance with his back to the audience, and neither of them have anything to do with not wanting to emote and project, in fact, quite the opposite. One reason is that music was not entertainment to Miles, it was art, and he was very suspicious of the idea of artist as emcee, likening it to "Uncle Tomming." He was trying to create a concert-like vibe in a club setting, with the conviction that he was there on stage for only one reason: to play music with all his heart, mind and soul. From Miles' autobiography (written with Quincy Troupe), page 180: "I even stopped announcing tunes around this time [1954], because I felt that it wasn't the *name* of the tune that was important, but the music we played ... I stopped talking to the audience because they weren't coming to hear me speak but to hear the music I was playing." Turning his back helped him to focus on the music, shutting out distractions so that he could emote and project more strongly. An even more important reason for standing with his back on the audience was that he was giving subtle cues to the musicians; facing them enabled him to hear and see them better. From the autobiography, page 356: "I could communicate with the band just by giving them a certain look. That look told them to play something different from what they had been playing, and after awhile the music really started coming together. I listened to what everybody was playing in my band. I listen constantly and if anything is just a little off, I hear it right away and try to correct it on the spot while the music is happening. That's what I'm doing when I have my back turned to the audience -- I can't be concerned with talking and bullshitting with the audience while I'm playing because the music is talking to them when everything's right." And Miles' bands, especially from the early 60s on, were moving further toward long, non-stop, nearly free improvisations, with only occasional statements of theme, using tunes as bare sketches for complex spontaneous flights, so they were becoming increasingly reliant on his cues. There are other more peripheral reasons for his seemingly aloof behavior, mostly stemming from health problems, primarily arthritis and sickle-cell anemia, which also explains his frequent exits offstage while other musicians were soloing. He wanted to hide his ailments from view, and worked hard at not showing his pain and stiffness. As one can clearly see, all of this was in service of the music, and the powerful desire to emote and project *more,* certainly not less. To imply that he was looking for a way to make less "work" for himself, to make it easier, is just plain wrong, even insulting. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:55:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC, Steely Dan In UK and the Continentent If you EVER cared about Steely Dan, don't miss them in concert. The crowds in America were the most enthusiastic crowds I have ever been in! Here's a capsule itinerary, based on Claudia's hometown and locations of other cool folks in JMDL land...... Sept 6 - Glasgow, Scotland: Clyde Auditorium [* new venue] Sept 8 - Birmingham, England: NEC Sept 9 - London, England: Wembley Arena Sept 10 - London, England: Hammersmith [* new venue Sept 15 - Rotterdam, Netherlands: Ahoy Hall Sept 19 - Dusseldorf, Germany: Philipshalle complete list is at www.steelydan.com naturally. I wuv JMDL. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:21:39 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Men with Passion (NJC) Victor Johnson wrote: > Just taking my liberty to disagree, I went to see Yes and Kansas the > previous weekend and I must say it definately makes the top five best shows > I have ever seen. While Kansas struggled a little vocally, and acted like > they were an opening band no one had ever heard of, Yes put on an excellent, > superb performance in every aspect. > You're more than welcome to disagree... I've only met two people (well I haven't 'met' Catherine) who agree with my feelings. I just guess it's a matter of taste. I really dislike Anderson's vocals. > Jon Anderson's voice in particular sounded so beautiful. It sounded just as > clear and strong as ever Mmm... still would sound like naughty cats doing naughty acts to me! I'm sorry... I just can't agree. > My favorite > singers have always been those who have a unique sounding voice, different > from the norm (Geddy Lee, Jon Anderson, Ian Anderson, Neil Young, Davie > Bowie, Joni Mitchell, Nick Drake, etc...) I also love interesting vocalists... Kate Bush and Tom Waits, (the above mentioned artists except Geddy). I adore Bjork and her style. > Interestingly, people are usually > quite passionate about them one way or another. They really like them or > really don't like them. And this is as it should be. > That's fine... as long as I don't have to listen to them I can bear it. Unfortunately, Evan's collecting all the remastered Rush C.D.'s so this is going to be a battle. I'll just have to play lots of Abba to counteract the negative feelings these bands produce! > > Victor > NP: Nick Drake Time of No Reply Ness N.P. Play School... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:38:09 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: My Job (NJC) A Mum and the "Sock and Jock Fairy". Apparently the socks and jocks mysteriously appear in Evan's draw washed and folded. He therefore concluded that there had to be a Sock and Jock Fairy from Washing Machine Land that did his laundry and then put them neatly away in his draw! The man's 26...! Being a Mum and wife can be so trying sometimes :-) Vanessa N.P. cartoons ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #438 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?