From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #436 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, August 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 436 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni on the JMDL [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) [catman ] Re: Professions (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Jonatha and the evil "N" (NJC) [pat holden ] Re: Professions NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Better Education needed? (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Subject: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC ["kerry" ] Re: 'Ruth' MacLean & Joni ["Anna Ruth MacLean" <9905346M@student.gla.ac.u] Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Tenth World's lyrics [Les Irvin ] Peter Erskine Photos [jamiezoob@freeuk.com] Re: Tenth World's lyrics [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Tenth World's lyrics ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Peter Erskine Photos [RandyRemote ] Re: Peter Erskine Photos ["Kakki" ] Re: Peter Erskine & Chuck ["Kakki" ] Re: Peter Erskine Photos [AsharaJM@aol.com] Beatles NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Peter Erskine Photos [jamiezoob@freeuk.com] RE: Tenth World's lyrics NJC [Les Irvin ] RE: Tenth World's lyrics NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Ferron njc [Slac ] Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) [Slac ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:43:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni on the JMDL In a message dated 8/4/00 3:45:30 PM, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: << Do you think Joni, her actual self, ever tunes in to the JMDL?>> In a word, no. But I suspect she hears about the JMDL from others, like Larry "The Lurker" Klein, perhaps. For all we know, Joni may be dusting off the ol' dulcimer right now, writing a song about pipi gonads. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:16:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) Artifical insemination is when the farmer does it to the cow instead of the bull." They go this one wrong. The farmer usually does it to a sheep. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 05:09:06 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles NJC whatsoever RandyRemote wrote: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> B Merrill wrote: >> >> "All you need is love" >> with the 7/8 time >> >> Minor quibble ... I think you're referring to the superimposition of >> Greensleeves over the All You Need Is love vamp, and if so, it's in 6/8 >time. > >All You Need Is Love is in 7/4 Actually, what B Merrill wrote was: >>Maybe "All you need is love" would qualify, since the way >>they combine the um-pah sing-along with the 7/8 time is a striking >>accomplishment...? Yes, the verse is in 7/4, and the chorus ("All you need is love") is in 4/4 with an extra 2/4 bar at the end of it. But I assumed (probably mistakenly) that B Merrill was referring to the long vamp at the end, in which they superimpose a lush string orchestra playing Greensleeves in 6/8 on top of a Bach-like accordion filigree with an oom-pah, polka flavor. And frankly, I think this Charles Ives-ian, "double exposure," layering of completely different musics, unrelated to any common pulse, is much more striking accomplishment than the 7/4 verse-4/4 chorus, which, while not common in pop, was not totally unheard of either (Zappa, Led Zeppelin, Cream, King Crimson). - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:25:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 Stephen wrote: > It seems Bob has done it again. Three more smashing >volumes of C&C--who knows what lurks in the record >binds?!!!! Yes he has, I can't help but gush over every installment! I'm just getting the chance late tonight (or, early this morning) to listen to them and WOW. I do think Vol. 8 should be retitled "The Weird and the Wonderful", though. Some of the weirdest music I've ever heard, period - Courtney Love has nothin' on Sara Craig (This Flight Tonight) and Sisterboy (A Strange Boy) whoa, strange indeed! Runner ups would be Lou Barlow (Blonde in the Bleachers) and Pinhead Gunpowder (Big Yellow Taxi). But the wonderful shines bright - Anne Haigis (Harry's House/Centerpiece), Trish Colter/Paul Read (Case of You) and it's great to hear Sergio Mendes Chelsea Morning again (I misplaced it a few years ago!). And is Gary Zack (Winter Lady) our own Gary Protea Man here on the list? VERY nice rendition of one of my oldest Joni faves. > One of the real finds for me was Carla Helmbrecht's cover of >STAS- -Carla is a real find. She is a true jazz vocalist >and is worthy of following. Her CD is great. And what she >does to STAS is fab--she understands the jazz in Joni's >music. Dig this - our own Steve Dulson, Leslie Mixon and Jon Johanson were planning to see her last (Friday) night at the Top of the Mark in San Fran based on our gushing here! Another friend who travels to San Fran constantly is going to try to catch her there next week, too. Wish I could go! ;-) Just goes to prove we the benefit of this project resulting in the promotion and increased exposure of little known artists. I'm almost through listening to Volume 7 and so far it is ALL very wonderful. I'd say Claire Martin (Be Cool) is right up there with Carla. Also am very surprised at Three Dog Night's "Night in the City" - it's really good! Bob tells me that much of the contributions for these two volumes came from Wally Breese's personal collection, thanks to Leslie Mixon. Thanks so much to them and all the other contributors for sharing more gems. Kakki NP: Michael Feinstein - Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:43:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions -oops When I get too excited writing about great music I make my most typos - I wrote "Jon Johanson" I meant Jim Johanson - sorry Jim! By the way, I think Bobby Kimball's "Woodstock" on Vol. 8 would qualify as ambitious, sincere, soulful AND combining the best of full strength male ego ;-D Kakki NP Ian Campbell - Dr. Junk the Dentist Man (if I didn't know better I would have thought this was a lost cut from the Beatles White Album!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:13:04 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Professions (NJC) Just an update on my status. I graduated today with a Graduate Diploma of Computing. So I'll have to upgrade my status to: Grade B+ Loony Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 07:10:57 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Jonatha and the evil "N" (NJC) Brian Gross wrote: > < > Merchant and a 7 piece band perform in a really great auditorium at the > Washington Twp Center for the Arts. What a great show she put on, especially > coming out for 2 encores. Thanks for 'making' me go, Mags!>> Brian, jumping into the loop on this one few days later...its been quite a week. I am so glad you enjoyed Nat, shes amazing. And I hear shes 'pretty in pink'. ;) Mags. np: snow falling on cedars > > > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:07:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Professions NJC << I think this list of occupations will be interesting when more of the list contribute.>> OK...I'm a buyer of Kayak & Canoe accessories...so much for that. <> Congratulations, Diana...my wife did the same thing, went back to school and got certified to teach high school math, and she's become very successful. Funny, she can't add and subtract very well, but she's hell with an algorithm - - go figga! :~) Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Janie Runaway" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:06:42 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Better Education needed? (NJC) > > >DON'T READ THESE unless it's OK to laugh out loud! 4. "To collect fumes of sulphur, hold a deacon over a flame in a > test tube." > > > 11. "Artifical insemination is when the farmer does it to the cow > instead of the bull." > > > 23. "Magnet: Something you find crawling all over a dead cat." > > > 27. "Vacuum: A large, empty space where the pope lives." > > > > > > 32. "For head cold: use an agonizer to spray the nose untill it >> Until it what?????!!!! These are great! My father-in-law was a deacon and a chemist! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:37:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 Thanks Stephen & Kakki! Firstly, you are correct...much of this material (most of it VERY rare and unobtainable) was from Wally's personal collection, generously shared by Jim with Leslie's assistance...again, I find myself unable to properly express my thanks, the spirit of this group just overwhelms me sometimes. Secondly, the BIG BIG news is the addition of "Joni Undercover" to Les' JMDL site!!!!! This is an awesome database of covers, you can check out what's on each volume, as well as find out which covers we DON'T have yet. (Last night I found a cover of Barangrill & Furry Sings The Blues and am psyched to hear them!) When you get a minute, check out what Les has done - he TOTALLY ROCKS!! It'll make things easier for all of us, especially you hunters & gatherers. Remember, if you snag me a cover, you get a complimentary copy of the volume (WallyK, Raffi & Philip, yours are coming...it ain't my fault you live so dang far away! :~D) Without a big to-do, I'm happy to announce that these new volumes are available to any JMDL'er who wants them. You can contact me off list for any details OR simply do the following... 1. Send me (3) blank CD's (make sure they say "Music" or "Audio") 2. Please include a note simply stating you'd like Covers 6/7/8. Otherwise I will be clueless as to what you want (I'm not very bright). 3. No need to send me a separate padded envelope...I can re-use the one you send in. Send to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 4. If you want to play "Covers Catch Up", I'm happy to go back and make any or all of them for you. Also Kakki, good catch on the "Winter Lady"...Gary Zack is our very own, and this is from his CD "Little Gems". Gary gave me full permission to use it, so it wasn't like I pulled it off Napster or anything. ;~) Happy Weekend everybody!! Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More" PS: Any comments on the "hidden" track on Volume 8? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:02:05 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) "The purpose of the skeleton is something to hitch meat to" "The tides are a fight between the earth and the moon" Yes, these demonstrate a lack of ------ that is appalling, but in another context (sorry, it's early and the cliche-monster's got me) aren't they beautifully lyrical and inventive? I think this is the kind of language songs and poems are made of. IMO, there are many "songwriters" out there selling millions of units who've probably never written anything as evocative as "the tides are a fight between the earth and the moon." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:05:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 Bob wrote: << the BIG BIG news is the addition of "Joni Undercover" to Les' JMDL site!!!!! This is an awesome database of covers, you can check out what's on each volume, as well as find out which covers we DON'T have yet >> That's a GREAT addition to the JMDL site. Thank you Les AND Bob! My Dad had every Benny Goodman album/CD, so I'll stop by my Mother's house and look for yet one more rendition of "BSN". Jimmy ( I can't wait til my covers arrive) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:14:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 << My Dad had every Benny Goodman album/CD, so I'll stop by my Mother's house and look for yet one more rendition of "BSN". >> That would be AWESOME, Jimmy! I've searched High & Low (and in Greenville that's NOT a long search) and no luck. As you know, I'm a Big Band fan (like Michael Y said, I like it all!), matter of fact, I remember the first post you ever sent me was about the Woody Herman does Steely Dan LP that I had (and wish I still did!) Bob NP: SD, "Cousin Dupree" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:03:37 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Subject: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC Catherine, I loved your list! My sister just went to her thirtieth class reunion and the booklet they received was horribly written, starting with the word "thirtieth" being spelled wrong on the cover!!! The biographies were the best. They said my sister wanted to "do art" when she retires. (Who's Art?) And another woman's hobbies were "gardening, playing with her children and using." Too funny. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:07:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC << They said my sister wanted to "do art" when she retires. (Who's Art?) >> When I was a kid I had a friend named Art Scott, who thought "How Great Thou Art" was written about HIM! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:26:06 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Catch the Wave!! (now NJC) In a message dated 8/4/00 6:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << While I'm sure it's gonna be fantastic, and I really wish I could be there, don't you think maybe we should wait at least a few hundred years before declaring New England Labor Day Jonifest the "HAPPENING OF THE MILLENIUM"? >> Nope!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:43:03 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: S & G Box set NJC Kakki wote: << Count me in here, too. I fell right over to the Garfunkel side immediately and never looked back. His early solo work, though mostly not written by him, was gorgeous and more my cup of tea. >> I haven't had a "Me too" post for a long time, so.....ME TOO! I have the box set of S & G, and love it, and definitely fell more into Garfunkel's solo work, although have come to appreciate Graceland in my old age. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:37:54 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Men with Passion (NJC) Just taking my liberty to disagree, I went to see Yes and Kansas the previous weekend and I must say it definately makes the top five best shows I have ever seen. While Kansas struggled a little vocally, and acted like they were an opening band no one had ever heard of, Yes put on an excellent, superb performance in every aspect. Their set design was truly beautiful, colored lights shown through various shapes of stretched canvas, and from the opening notes of Close to the Edge, I was taken back 25 years. It really didn't seem like it was the year 2000. They were so tight and so on if anything, they played even better than they ever had. You really wouldn't have known whether they were in their 50's or their 20's. Jon Anderson's voice in particular sounded so beautiful. It sounded just as clear and strong as ever ( as opposed to Kansas lead vocals where you can see how all the drinking and smoking, etc... have caught up.) My favorite singers have always been those who have a unique sounding voice, different from the norm (Geddy Lee, Jon Anderson, Ian Anderson, Neil Young, Davie Bowie, Joni Mitchell, Nick Drake, etc...) Interestingly, people are usually quite passionate about them one way or another. They really like them or really don't like them. And this is as it should be. Victor NP: Nick Drake Time of No Reply ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:53:48 +0100 From: "Anna Ruth MacLean" <9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Re: 'Ruth' MacLean & Joni Dear Willy, That is such a coincidence but I am not the person you knew. I never use 'Ruth'. I have just finished my 1st year at Glasgow University... I'm just out of school. Another coincidence is that my favourite teacher refers to herself as *Mrs. M.* Willy saidCourier New >> ArialAnyway, one day in our art department, a fellow "Highers" mentioned that Joni was her favourite... this fellow "Highers" name was Ruth MacLean! I cannot say I ever knew her as being Anna. It's a lo-o-o-ong shot but I must ask you if you are the one who studied with Mrs M. and Jack? >> Thank you to everyone who replied to me with Scottish connections etc.. I'm still wondering what to do with the amount of mail I'm receiving from the JMDL !! Anna. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:19:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 > One of the real finds for me was Carla Helmbrecht's cover of STAS--Kakki > began the search and I was able to locate this one. My hat is off to > Kakki--Carla is a real find. She is a true jazz vocalist and is worthy of > following. Her CD is great. And what she does to STAS is fab--she > understands the jazz in Joni's music. Gotta do a 'me too' on this one. I really felt like Carla was able to put a beautiful & successful jazz spin on STAS. She made the song sound as if it was meant to be sung that way. The rest of her album is great too! Thank you, Kakki! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:26:17 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 At 8/5/2000 05:37 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Secondly, the BIG BIG news is the addition of "Joni Undercover" to Les' JMDL >site!!!!! This is an awesome database of covers, you can check out what's on >each volume, as well as find out which covers we DON'T have yet. .... >When you get a minute, check out what Les has done - he TOTALLY ROCKS!! Actually, I am just the messenger on this one. His Bobness, as you all know, is the one who has fearlessly and tirelessly collected every shred of information on the covers. The "Joni Undercover" section will henceforth be maintained and updated solely by Bob. I think it is a great addition to the JMDL site, be sure you check it out. Thanks Bob... Les http://www.jmdl.com/covers NP: Lucinda Williams "Abandoned" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:31:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC > > > ><< if you can direct me to instance of progressive rock > > which are complicated and original and COMBINE these virtues with being > > lyrical, melodic, well-vocalized, sincere, from the heart... please do > > so! >> This thread is pretty much dead but I had a thought this morning (surprising, isn't it?) and had to add one more name. REM's Automatic For the People, imo, fits this category. Ambitious, unusual and Michael Stipe's vocals are impassioned & honest. 'Everybody Hurts', 'Try Not To Breathe', 'Sweetness Follows', 'Nightswimming' - all gorgeous and unusual songs. A lot of Green fits the description as well. I defy anyone to listen to 'The Wrong Child' and not be moved by it. 'You Are The Everything', 'World Leader Pretend', 'Get Up' - all great songs. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:35:36 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni Undercover Wowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Les I can't believe the work that you have done on the JMDL homepage--it is really amazing. I thought that the old page was great, but the redesigned one has to be one of the best I have ever seen. Thank you for all the time and effort that you put into this. I know I'm going to have a field day playing around on this one. I love the Joni Undercover--what a great complement to Bob's cover project. Hunting and gathering will be so much easier. Now there really is no excuse not to find that hidden gem out there! If anyone hasn't taken a look, check it out. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:55:29 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Pigeon-postings Re Catherine (in Toronto)'s pigeon-post emails on the Line; yes I've been wondering about that too. Sometimes I thought I just wasn't paying enough attention. Hard day at the chalkface and all that. Curiouser and curiouser. We might be 12 hours ahead here but at times it feels like 12 years behind. Willy the Shake NP - Greenbank Drive (The Christians) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:05:33 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Tenth World's lyrics Joniphiles - So I'm sitting here listening to The Tenth World from DJRD and I'm thinking... wait a minute! This song has words! Certainly they weren't "written" by Joni and are largely improvised - but words nonetheless. Is there anyone out there that knows the dialect and can translate? Les NP: Paprika Plains ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:35:44 z (BST) From: jamiezoob@freeuk.com Subject: Peter Erskine Photos Hello All While I was checking out some site I stumbled upon Peter's site and his new photos that he has of the recent tour. Some great backstage ones of Joni and Larry et al.. Much Joni Jamie Zoob (hoping no one has posted this before) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:13:49 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Tenth World's lyrics I remember Wallyburger posting them a while ago but I've forgotten them. I kind of remember "Dance my rumba..." Wally, let's have 'em... At 12:05 PM -0600 8/5/00, Les Irvin wrote: >Joniphiles - >So I'm sitting here listening to The Tenth World from DJRD and I'm >thinking... wait a minute! This song has words! Certainly they >weren't "written" by Joni and are largely improvised - but words >nonetheless. Is there anyone out there that knows the dialect and >can translate? >Les > >NP: Paprika Plains - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:46:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Tenth World's lyrics les, i transcribed the song and posted those words to you and the whole list a couple of years ago!!! shall i do it again? wallyk > Joniphiles - > So I'm sitting here listening to The Tenth World from DJRD and I'm > thinking... wait a minute! This song has words! Certainly they weren't > "written" by Joni and are largely improvised - but words nonetheless. Is > there anyone out there that knows the dialect and can translate? > Les > > NP: Paprika Plains > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:36:23 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Peter Erskine Photos so give us the url, already !!! ; ) jamiezoob@freeuk.com wrote: > Hello All > > While I was checking out some site I stumbled upon Peter's site and his new photos that he has of the recent tour. Some great backstage ones of Joni and Larry et al.. > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > (hoping no one has posted this before) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:47:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Peter Erskine Photos Thanks Jamie! It's so cute to see Joni with all her sweet boys ;-) The url is http://www.petererskine.com/gallery3/index/html But who is the "Chuck" in the pics? Is that the first violinist Coyote Rick met in Saskatoon? Kakki NP: CNN chatter, chatter, chatter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:06:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Peter Erskine & Chuck I wrote: > But who is the "Chuck" in the pics? Is that the first violinist >Coyote Rick met in Saskatoon? Well, duh, it's Chuck Berghofer, the bass player! Ralph Morrison is the concertmaster (violin) By the way, many of you remember Mariana who used to be on the JMDL as one of our youngest members. Mariana went to a high school filled with "Showbiz Kids" (Mark Hamill, Jane Seymour, Farrah Fawcett). She got togther with us for the Joni L.A. show and when Peter Erskine's name came up she commented with a blase nod "oh yah, I know him, I'm friends with his kids". Maybe she can get us some back stage passes next time, eh? ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:21:23 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Peter Erskine Photos Kakki wrote: << But who is the "Chuck" in the pics? Is that the first violinist Coyote Rick met in Saskatoon? >> The first violinist's name is "Ralph." There is a picture of him on the top row, third from left, entitled "3/13: Chuck and Ralph on Bus." Chuck Berghofer was the bass player on the BSN tour. Hope that helps, Kakki. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:20:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Beatles NJC Actually, it was "Scrambled eggs ... " But the sincere content was already plentiful in the music, and the rough draft words were just temporary place-holders for the notes of the soulful melody. I've heard it was Ham & eggs, but no matter. What Fred says is happens often in the process of songwriting, so called "dummy" lines emerge before the final ones take shape & make sense. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:45:59 z (BST) From: jamiezoob@freeuk.com Subject: Peter Erskine Photos Well, I'm glad somebody found the url! I should have made it a little clearer thatit was Peter Erskine that I was talking about! Oooops! Then I had to go and eat my dinner so I went offline with just a teaser for you. Glad you like the photos. She looks on top form in them dontcha think? Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:31:31 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Tenth World's lyrics NJC At 8/5/2000 01:46 PM, Wally Kairuz wrote: >les, i transcribed the song and posted those words to you and the whole list >a couple of years ago!!! shall i do it again? Please do! I obviously am getting up there in years and my memory is completely gone! Thanks Wally... Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:30:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Tenth World's lyrics NJC you'll have it pronto!!! best, wallyK > > Please do! I obviously am getting up there in years and my memory is > completely gone! > Thanks Wally... > Les > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:32:40 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC > This thread is pretty much dead but I had a thought this morning > (surprising, isn't it?) and had to add one more name. REM's Automatic > For the People, imo, fits this category. Synchronicity!!... I heard REM's "This One Goes Out to the One I Love", on the radio this afternoon in the car (it would be morning on the west coast) and thought it fit the bill for this sexist, silly thread. Or maybe I don't get it? Is "lyrical, melodic, well-vocalized, sincere" and ambitious the definition of ART for the singer-songwriter? As has been said Paul Simon fits the bill. "Rhythm of the Saints" was music to cook to tonight...it's ART. One person mentioned Springsteen as fitting these criteria, and to that I add a big "ME TOO", especially in concert, I was lucky enough to attend two Springsteen concerts in NYC last month and I'm here to tell you, he's only gettin' better. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:06:15 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Joni Message Board at RS . . . have fun For ONLY those that are interested . . . Check out the Joni message board at: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/boards/text/default.asp?afl=&comingfrom=artist&aid=360 Add your own special Joni moment. Read post 78 like a fine wine. It is a stunning Joni encounter which turned into a friendship. Ignore the pipsqueak with post 83 .. . . who is DROWNING and frustrated with the positive Joni posts. Cheers, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:09:37 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Boycotts was Ferron njc philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > Maybe they should update the > statutes to make it unlawful to be a boy band, a Joni clone, or > Jackson Browne. :) I'll be sure to pass that on philip :~D Why not just outlaw genuine junk food for juveniles? ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:10:00 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Ferron njc Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm no expert on this but I believe it was the Tudors > who outlawed bards and balladeers in Ireland, because > these bards would sing the stories and praises of > great Irish heroes and stir up Irish patriotism at a > time when the English wanted to suppress Ireland and > anything Gaelic by whatever means it took. Yes!!! And it is recorded in Kilkenny on marble stone as black as ink: that the statutes of Kilkenny Castle-the seat of the Butler family- outlawed bards and balladeers from performing there for precisely the reasons you describe above. Clearly the Butlers were in league with the Tudors. All I'm saying is: The times they are a changin' ;~) The Anglo-Irish are more Irish than Anglo these days...at least I hope they are! Saying it's a start and if I say it enough it'll come true :~) Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:10:33 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) P. Henry wrote: > the problem with > categories and pigeonholes is not the category > itself, but the inherant exclusion from other > areas... I'll say! :~D Just when people thought they had me pigeon-holed as a dowdy dyke I got out my mascara, put on my tan and my string bikini and went slutting around with the boys ;~D Now they don't know what to do with me: it's all too much for them :~D > I would > never limit myself so. just try labeling me and > you will find your label lying by the side of the > road for I shan't accept it! Me either! I opened my hood and dumped a whole buncha labels on the road to Lake Cowichan :~D > susan, you're right in looking to our Joni as a > good example. Thanks Pat! I wish my mother had felt the same when I was in my teens :~D > in fact, I can think of no one who > has so successfully escaped categories in a field > where most make their mark mainly by strongly > identifying with one or the other. I wonder how Joni has pulled it off? She must run into alot of oppostion...People are always trying to stuff me into holes I don't fit...And I'm sure they probably still try to do it to her. I have my coping mechanisms which shall remain mum ;~) I wonder how she handles it? Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #436 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?