From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #435 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, August 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 435 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC [jan gyn ] Hall & Oates (NJC) ["Van Metre, Gordon" ] professions (NJC) ["Takats, Angela" ] pipe dreams NJC [zaide912@webtv.net] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC [Don Rowe ] RE: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Bleeker Street Song NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Bleeker Street Song NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: S & G Box set NJC ["Kakki" ] Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) ["Kakki" ] RE: Better Education needed? (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 [SMEBD@aol.com] Saskatoon for Labor Day [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Professions NJC [diana ] Re: RE:Zappa/ NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC > And not since Bill C. said "I did not have sex with > that woman" has a bigger fib been told as that > above! > Shame on you Bob! It wasn't a fib -- it was a "sincerely ambitious and unusual statement"! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC > Well, I certainly don't agree with that, but > really I was wondering what > "Mozart overturned 'The Well-Tempered Clavier'" > means. J. S. Bach wrote "The > Well-Tempered Clavier." Did Mozart do something else > important to it? > Melodically, and more importantly, harmonically, Mozart willfully and beautifully broke the forms and strictures derived from Bach's work -- which had pretty much become a kind of musical Cannon Law -- though that was never Bach's original intention. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:17:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC <> Or was it "ambitiously and unusally insincere" ? ;~D Bob, with head hanging in shame (constantly) NP: EmmyLou Harris, "Where Will I Be" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:32:25 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC At 03:51 PM 8/4/00 -0400, you wrote: >Don Rowe wrote: ><Well-Tempered Clavier" has any musical ground been >broken in Western civilization.>> Hey, how about when Ozzy bit off the head of that bat? Or Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? I'd say those're groundbreakers. - -jan P.S. Isabella Rossellini has a well tempered clavicle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:38:53 -0500 From: "Van Metre, Gordon" Subject: Hall & Oates (NJC) I must concur on Hall & Oates being great blue-eyed soul musicians. One of the pop radio stations around here changed format about a year ago to a R&B/Motown format (nothing newer than early 80's) and they played Black performers exclusively (I was listening) EXCEPT for "She's Gone" by H & O (a long time fave of mine!). I don't know why I noticed this, but I did. They have recently expanded their playlist and are not quite as limited to Black performers. And as for my previous statement about only women singing from the soul blah blah blah, I take it back. I think I prefaced it by saying "maybe it was corollary" to my notion that there are those that sing from the soul and those that sing from the ego. Gordon in Kent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:43:15 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: professions (NJC) Hey Listers I'm a bit late on this thread...but I'm a producer/reporter for Channel Nine News in Sydney. Ange ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: pipe dreams NJC Wally, How could I forget the carriage incident! I suppose the night got the best of me it was grand wasn't it! So glad our repertoire doesn't overlap that much would hate to have a nasty diva incident, i'm not known for that unlike some of our peers. Peace, Kevin PS: Wish I could come to the fest!!! NP: Bruce Springsteen "Mansion On The Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < "sincerely ambitious and unusual statement"! ;-D>> > > Or was it "ambitiously and unusally insincere" ? ;~D > > Bob, with head hanging in shame (constantly) > Fruity actually, with a slight piquance in the lower notes, but never once precocious. God, I'm silly today ... pay me no mind! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:45:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC > > P.S. Isabella Rossellini a very attractive woman to my eys and very like her mother > has a well tempered clavicle. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:43:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC my favourite: this free (health) care crap is exactly that, crap, with a capital P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:54:56 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: One Audiophile picks Joni albums, SJC I just received the last edition of an underground LP (vinyl) lovers' newsletter called "Primyl Vinyl". Author David Green compiled a list of recommended popular albums. Earlier, they published their Jazz list, and a Classical list. Anyway, the Popular list includes lots of Joni: Blue Clouds Court and Spark The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Mingus No, Hejira is not on the list, but curiously Boston's "Third Stage" is a recommended disc! Other recommended artists that have been discussed here are: Tori Amos, Shawn Colvin, Cowboy Junkies, Clash, Patsy Cline, Elvis Costello, Dylan (although not as many as you'd expect- not "Desire", not "Blood On The Tracks"), Thomas Dolby (?), Donald Fagan, old & new Fleetwood Mac (though not "Rumours"), early Genesis, PJ Harvey, Janis Ian (4 recommended albums!), Alanis, Yoko (!), 11 Presley albums, Pretenders, Otis Redding, Sade, Springsteen, only 3 Steely Dan, 5 from Linda and/or Richard Thompson, Suzanne Vega, Stevie Wonder, Yes, and ten Neil Young albums- more than Dylan or Joni! Yeah, the Beatles, David Bowie, and the Stones were on there. Not making this guy's list: Jonatha Brooks and James Taylor. :( All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:17:44 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Catch the Wave!! AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >>The list is getting longer, and the excitement is building for the >>3rd {Annual??} New England Labor Day Jonifest! Is your name on here? >>No???? How could you **possibly** miss the HAPPENING OF THE >>MILLENIUM???!!!!!!???? While I'm sure it's gonna be fantastic, and I really wish I could be there, don't you think maybe we should wait at least a few hundred years before declaring New England Labor Day Jonifest the "HAPPENING OF THE MILLENIUM"? (insert emoticon here) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:24:15 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniEgo (but, ironically, NJC) B Merrill wrote: >>But wasn't the genesis of "Yesterday" that Paul composed the soulful >>melody altogether without sincere content? What was the notorious >>word that preceded "Yesterday," with the same rhythm? Something like >> "Bubble-Gum, now I need a place to guzzle rum, etc." Actually, it was "Scrambled eggs ... " But the sincere content was already plentiful in the music, and the rough draft words were just temporary place-holders for the notes of the soulful melody. That doesn't mean it had no sincere content. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:19:01 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: Professions(JC) Hi Alan! you wrote: > I used to teach high school English and I credit Joni to some degree for instilling in me a love of words and stories> English was my favorite subject in high school. I used to love reading and interpreting stories and poems;I guess that's why when I first heard Joni I was so moved and mesmerized by her beautiful stories and incredible poetry.I was able to memorize all the words to her songs after just a few listens;it was like the words just seeped into me like osmosis; a form of emotional nourishment,I suppose! Every since then I have been a voracious reader,have written some poetry and journal write.When I was in my 30's(a while back,Ha! Ha!) I went back to college as an English major(while I was working as a nurse),just because I loved studying stories so much(and I missed it!)I never got an English degree(I went for 3 yrs part time and then got burnt out(from working full time and going to school) and was only going to take a break for a year ,but never went back. I really didn't go back to school to get a degree,I just went back to study literature,because I enjoyed it! Anyway,I believe that Joni had a great deal to do with instilling in me a love of words and stories too! Take Care...Lisa N.P. Woman of Heart and Mind ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:04:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC cath, you evil witch!!!!!!!!!!!!! keep' em coming. malapropisms can always brighten my day -- except when i have to correct papers!!! wallyk > > In honour of this auspicious occasion, I thought I'd > send you a sampling of some of the weird stuff we get > in the mail here where I work. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:12:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: pipe dreams NJC well, why don't you kevin?!?!?!?! jonifests are THE ULTIMATE. folks are coming from austria, the netherlands, argentina [me!!!!]. it's a long weekend, you wouldn't miss any work, and you would get to play liu to my turandot!!!! instant fame for both of us! and i know for a fact that liu is in your repertoire. make that plane reservation now, baby! wallyk, VERY friday-nightish > PS: Wish I could come to the fest!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:36:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Bleeker Street Song NJC > > For the record though, I was never as crazy about Paul's solo stuff as > I was about S&G together. > > Pearl Hi Pearl! Glad to read that somebody else feels this way. And the box set is wonderful. Simon's early stuff ranks up there with Joni as far as I'm concerned. Beautiful melodies, wonderfully poetic lyrics and the gorgeous blend of those two voices. Haunting, powerful, exquisite. Wouldn't some of Simon's songs fit Bruce's criteria? I'm thinking of The Boxer and Poem on the Underground Wall or America or El Condor Pasa. Ambitious, sincere and exquisitely rendered. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:43:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bleeker Street Song NJC In a message dated 8/4/00 6:36:31 PM US Central Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Wouldn't some of Simon's songs fit Bruce's criteria? I'm thinking of The Boxer and Poem on the Underground Wall or America or El Condor Pasa. Ambitious, sincere and exquisitely rendered. >> And "I Am A Rock"....I had forgotten about this song until recently when I picked up an early Red House Painters disc with their cover of it, and it reminded me of Mrs. Duncan's 8th grade class when we analyzed that song. Certainly very ambitious writing I think... Bob NP: Joni, "Don't Worry 'Bout Me", Concord '00 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:46:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: S & G Box set NJC Pearl, that Simon and Garfunkel box set sounds wonderful. Although I don't mention them here often, I also had to have everything I could get of them in the old days. So many of my all time favorite songs - geez, they were always exquisite. > > For the record though, I was never as crazy about Paul's >solo stuff as I was about S&G together. Count me in here, too. I fell right over to the Garfunkel side immediately and never looked back. His early solo work, though mostly not written by him, was gorgeous and more my cup of tea. Kakki NP: Steely Dan live at the Gorge 6/3/00 - Holy, holy moly!!! THANKS Bob! I tell you the Dan fans have got to be the most groovingest audience of any - they really add to the energy level. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:09:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Better Education needed? (NJC) While busy howling over Catherine's malapropisms, I received this one from a friend. Since it seems to be joke week, I can't resist sending it. I especially like no. 6 ;-) Kakki np: Steely Dan - Jack of Speed >Subject: Test Papers >DON'T READ THESE unless it's OK to laugh out loud! These >comments come from test papers and essays submitted to science and health teachers by elementary, junior high, high school, and college students and compiled at the NEA Life Sciences Symposium, Kansas City,Kansas. > > > > As the originator noted, "It is truly astonishing what weird science our young scholars can create under the pressures of time and grades." > > > > Please note that the original spelling has been left intact. > > > > 1. "The body consists of three parts - the branium, the borax, and the abominable cavity. The branium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the abominable cavity contains the bowels, of which there are five - a, e, i, o, and u." > > > > 2. "Nitrogen is not found in Ireland because it is not found in a free state." > > > > 3. "H2O is hot water, and CO2 is cold water." > > > > 4. "To collect fumes of sulphur, hold a deacon over a flame in a test tube." > > > > 5. "When you smell an oderless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide." > > > > 6. "Water is composed of two gins, Oxygin and Hydrogin. Oxygin is pure gin. Hydrogin is gin and water." > > > > 7. "Three kinds of blood vessels are arteries, vanes and caterpillars." > > > > 8. "Blood flows down one leg and up the other." > > > > 9. "Respiration is composed of two acts, first inspiration, and then expectoration." > > > > 10. "The moon is a planet just like the earth, only it is even deader." > > > > 11. "Artifical insemination is when the farmer does it to the cow instead of the bull." > > > > 12. "Dew is formed on leaves when the sun shines down on them and makes them perspire." > > > > 13. "A super saturated solution is one that holds more than it can hold." > > > > 14. "Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look like umbrellas." > > > > 15. "The pistol of a flower is its only protections agenst insects." > > > > 16. "The skeleton is what is left after the insides have been taken out and the outsides have been taken off. The purpose of the skeleton is something to hitch meat to." > > > > 17. "A permanent set of teeth consists of eight canines, eight cuspids, two molars, and eight cuspidors." > > > > 18. "The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight." > > > > 19. "A fossil is an extinct animal. The older it is, the more extinct it is." > > > > 20. "Equator: A managerie lion running around the Earth through Africa." > > > > 21. "Germinate: To become a naturalized German." > > > > 22. "Liter: A nest of young puppies. > > > > 23. "Magnet: Something you find crawling all over a dead cat." > > > > 24. "Momentum: What you give a person when they are going away." > > > > 25. "Planet: A body of Earth surrounded by sky." > > > > 26. "Rhubarb: A kind of celery gone bloodshot. > > > > 27. "Vacuum: A large, empty space where the pope lives." > > > > 28. "Before giving a blood transfusion, find out if the blood is affirmative or negative." > > > > 29. "To remove dust from the eye, pull the eye down over the nose." > > > > 30. "For a nosebleed: Put the nose much lower then the body until the heart stops." > > > > 31. "For dog bite: put the dog away for several days. If he has not recovered,then kill it." > > > > 32. "For head cold: use an agonizer to spray the nose untill it >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:38:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Better Education needed? (NJC) kakki, what a great post!!!! colin, catherine and you are going to be the death of me. your post confirms what i've always suspected: students are the same all over the world!!!! wallyk, laughter shaking his abominable cavity ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: joni poster on ebay Hey Friends, I just won the record store poster for BSN supposedly in mint condition for $7 and was so happy I had to tell somebody about it....only you guys would care as my friends just roll their eyes when I start talking Joni!!! Peace to all, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:47:19 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Beatles NJC whatsoever Some Beatle comments: FredNow@aol.com wrote: > B Merrill wrote: > > "All you need is love" > with the 7/8 time > > Minor quibble ... I think you're referring to the superimposition of > Greensleeves over the All You Need Is love vamp, and if so, it's in 6/8 time. All You Need Is Love is in 7/4 > > But I think someone's suggestion of Strawberry Fields Forever > I might have this wrong, but I was under the > impression that Lennon grew up near an orphanage named Strawberry Fields, You are right, it was a quiet place he used escape to. Later with Paul to sneak ciggies. Touring the US: The Beatles toured the US in 64, 65, and 66. Their final concert as a touring band was in San Francisco in Aug of '66. A friend of mine was there. I cringe to think I was only 20 minutes away, the same length as their concerts, BTW. Julia, Dear Prudence. John's mother was named Julia. He has said the song was about her, with Yoko mixed in (Yoko means 'ocean child' in Japanese). Dear Prudence was indeed written for Mia Farrow's sister at the Trancendental Yoga retreat in India. Apparently she was having some head trips and wouldn't come out of her hut. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:17:37 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 It seems Bob has done it again. Three more smashing volumes of C&C--who knows what lurks in the record binds?!!!! Volume 6 begins with a "surprise bonus" of Joni singing "I Heard It Thru The Grapevine"--this is not to be missed. And if you still have a taste for cheese, check out Vol. 7 for Goldie Hawn singing "Carey". Or even better (?), nibble on Nana Mouskori's cover of BSN (in French)--quelle fromage! :-D One of the real finds for me was Carla Helmbrecht's cover of STAS--Kakki began the search and I was able to locate this one. My hat is off to Kakki--Carla is a real find. She is a true jazz vocalist and is worthy of following. Her CD is great. And what she does to STAS is fab--she understands the jazz in Joni's music. On Volume 8 is Holly Cole's live cover of "River"--I was supposed to hear her in Saskatoon but missed her and Saskatoon (Oh how I hate Air Canada), but thanks to Bob (and a fellow hunter--or gatherer-- of covers) I get to hear her sing Joni. Tower Records is glad I finally got to hear Holly, as I'm sure to make a pilgrimage--er, I mean, purchase-- this weekend. All in all, I'd say there is some great listening for JMDLers--contact SCJoniguy@aol.com for details on getting copies. And I'd like to offer my thanks to Bob for all the work and effort that he has put into this project. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:36:11 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Saskatoon for Labor Day Rusty and I are going to try one more time to get to Saskatoon. We will [hopefully] be there over Labor Day weekend and were wondering if anyone else from the list might be going the same time. If so, perhaps we could meet up at some point. Email me privately if you will be there and would like to get together. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:40 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC > ><< if you can direct me to instance of progressive rock > which are complicated and original and COMBINE these virtues with being > lyrical, melodic, well-vocalized, sincere, from the heart... please do > so! >> "And the men who hold high places, Must be the ones who start. To mold a new reality, Closer to the heart." Closer to the Heart "Can't we raise our eyes and make a start, Can't we find the minds to lead us closer to the heart." A Farewell to Kings "We can walk our roads together, If our goals are all the same. We can run alone and free, If we pursue a different aim. Let the truth of love be lighted, Let the love of truth shine clear. Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty, With the HEART and MIND united, In a single, perfect sphere." Hemispheres "Some are born to move the world, To live their fantasies. But most of us just dream about, The things we'd like to be. Sadder still to watch it die, Than never to have known it. For you the blind who once could see, The bell tolls for thee, The bell tolls for thee." Losing It lyrics by Peart. Music by Lee and Lifeson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:24:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: RE:Zappa/ NJC Does anybody have a recording of the Frank Zappa Beatles medley where he sings spoofs of Lucy in the sky with Diamonds(Lousiana Hooker with Herpes), Strawberry Fields(texas motel), and Norwegian Wood( Jim once had a girl...) making fun of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart. It is the funniest thing I have ever heard. I used to have several hours of Frank Zappa on tape but they disappeared quite some time ago and I have wanted to replace this for years. Victor NP: Rush Xanadu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:00:37 -0500 From: diana Subject: Professions NJC Marilyn, I think this list of occupations will be interesting when more of the list contribute. After getting my masters this last May I am beginning a new career as a high school math teacher at the age of 50. Will wonders never cease!! Keep them coming everyone!! Diana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:30:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE:Zappa/ NJC In a message dated 8/5/00 1:05:12 AM, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << Does anybody have a recording of the Frank Zappa Beatles medley where he sings spoofs of Lucy in the sky with Diamonds(Lousiana Hooker with Herpes), Strawberry Fields(texas motel), and Norwegian Wood( Jim once had a girl...) making fun of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart. >> No, but I do have this quotation from Zappa, which I love: "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #435 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?