From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #434 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, August 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 434 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Scottish Joni Fans ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Joni in Scotland ["Kakki" ] MP3's are good - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) [catman ] Re: Fwd: Red Riding Hood oppresses Wolf (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: pipe dream professions njc ["Helen M. Adcock" ] JoniEgo [B Merrill ] Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Scottish Joni fans [Catherine McKay ] Re: Survey (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Bleeker Street Song NJC [WirlyPearl@aol.com] GREENPOINTS Has 1000 Point Survey Up (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni in Scotland, sincerely angry; Van in SF, sincerely stoned [B Mer] The Profession poll so far....(NJC) ["P. Henry" ] Public Apology (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] RE: FWD: Red Riding Hood oppresses wolf, NJC ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: pipe dream professions njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Ferron njc [Catherine McKay ] mystery profession...njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: pipe dream professions NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Ruth Maclean & Joni ["william" ] Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC [Catherine McKay Subject: Scottish Joni Fans Hello Anna Welcome to the list! Great place isn't it? There isn't much about Joni that doesn't make it to these pages. I too am Scottish, from Ross and Cromarty in the highlands. A beautiful place where palm trees grow wild on the west of the county. Bet not many listers realise that little fact! These days, due initially to economic reasons, I live in London where you are never far from a crowd. I miss the solitude of home but not the loneliness. I saw Joni the last time she played in Scotland just after Wild Things Run Fast came out. She played two nights in Edinburgh. I saw her on the second night. The reviews from her first night were pretty bad so she was in a foul mood. She had had the temerity to play in front of an electric band for her set and the critics were very peeved that she had foresaken her lonely voice at the guitar routine and favoured this format instead. One of them said the show was too loud. She commented on this and treated us that night to a defeaning Song for Sharon full of howling guitars and thunderous bass. Made the hair on my neck stand up. Angry Sharon! She then went on to recount a story of a neighbour of hers when she was a kid. She reminded us how in those days oranges were sold wrapped up in a square of tissue paper. This old Scottish guy who lived near her used to save these papers to use as toilet paper. She let the story hang there leaving us, the audience, to deliberate on our in inherent meaness. Well, you can imagine that went down like a lead balloon - something about which she was to sing many years later. I was furious myself. I couldn't understand why she would treat us that way when the place was packed to the rafters and Joni in Scotland was like the second coming of Christ - forgive my profanity! Why? I felt like walking out, I was so hurt that she should dislike us all that way. I had placed Joni on a pedestal way, way above the clouds. For me she was a saint. I believed at the time that I couldn't have made it through my youth but for the presence of her music and her expressed wisdom. Well, I learned that night, that she had feet of clay like the rest of us and that between the art and the artist is an unknown world of difference. It took a while but I took the lesson from that. It made the woman real. It made the art more remarkable. Like you I had a restricted exposure to the media when I was young. The TV and Radio were only ever switched on for the news and then nothing. But there came some industrial development to the area and in its wake a bunch of American families arrived, the parents of which were like the experts helping to set things up. Now their kids were seriously exotic. Sun tans, long sun-bleached hair, strange voices, strangely smelling cigarettes and some full-on music. Oh my god! A lot of stuff to take in. Well, that was the slippery slope. Everything changed in my village after that. A couple of years later, and by way of Black Sabbath and Yes, I ended up at Joni's 'door'. Now there's always something interesting to hear 'round Joni's house. Later Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:43:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland Les wrote: > I saw Joni the last time she played in Scotland just after Wild Things Run Fast came out. She >played two nights in Edinburgh. I saw her on the second night. I was furious myself. I couldn't >understand why she would treat us that way when the place was packed to the rafters and Joni in >Scotland was like the second coming of Christ - forgive my profanity! Why? I felt like walking out, I >was so hurt that she should dislike us all that way. I had placed Joni on a pedestal way, way above >the clouds. For me she was a saint. I believed at the time that I couldn't have made it through my >youth but for the presence of her music and her expressed wisdom. Well, I learned that > night, that she had feet of clay like the rest of us and that between the art and the artist is an >unknown world of difference. It took a while but I took the lesson from that. It made the woman real. It >made the art more remarkable. I never saw her during the WTRF tour, but I've read a number of posts here over the years about her episodes of foul mood in other cities on that tour. It must have been a real let-down to those who experienced it and the bad taste still seems to linger a bit with some of them. I wonder what it was with her back then? I don't recall hearing of her acting up as much, if at all, in prior years. Maybe slogging all over the world on that tour became grueling for her. And she later complained that they all lost money on it. She never again did a real tour until the '98 shows - 15 years later. If I'd experienced her being mean or insulting the crowd when I was young, I'm sure I'd be a bit devastated. But now that I'm older, I don't think it would affect me that much. I'd just consider her as getting a bit cranky and appreciate the rest of it. I forget who posted the other day regarding Van Morrison's unpredictability at shows, but I enjoyed the post. Something to the effect of you never know if he is going to come out and sing like an angel or piss and spit at the crowd and stomp off. From what I've seen at his shows, his fans seem to take it all in stride, either way. But I guess knowing how he has always been, they expect it. On the other hand, Joni had established such an image of sweetness from the beginning that the shock of her acting in conflict with that image must have been all the more harder to take. I think most of us have come to know that she's just human but that does make her creative work all the more remarkable. But not to fear, she really IS exceptionally sweet, as many who have met her will tell you. And even better than that, she is very honest and real. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:54:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: MP3's are good - NJC The following article appeared in today's edition of the New Zealand Herald, maybe proving that not all internet music sites are bad! I thought it was interesting given the recent discussions about Napster. Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ CELTIC TROUBADOURS HIT JACKPOT IN CYBERSPACE 04.08.2000 - By MICHAEL FOREMAN Auckland Celtic folk trio Lothlorien may not be household names at home, but in cyberspace they're huge. The band, which has never landed a record deal in this country, is top of the internet charts, clocking up big American bucks on the hugely popular United States-based MP3.com site. Almost unknown here, Lothlorien's career took off after exposure on the site, one of the most popular on the web, attracting more than 10.7 million visitors a month downloading around 33 million tracks. The band are now fielding calls from US radio stations asking permission to play their music, and two film-makers have asked to use Lothlorien songs as soundtracks for short films. But the band - Chris Lloyd, Tamzin Wood and Nicole Leonard - turned to the net only after record labels ignored their sound. Said Lloyd: "The folk thing here is so small there are hardly any places you can play." Yesterday, their single Ghostwood topped MP3's Celtic music category. The site hosts more than 469,000 tracks from around 74,000 artists in a format that allows near CD-quality music to be downloaded from the net. Ghostwood has been on the site for a few months but started moving up the charts in the last week, heading off about 360 other tracks. As a result, the trio are now earning $150 ($326) a day, a situation Lloyd describes as bizarre. Ghostwood and other Lothlorien tracks are being played by nearly 3000 people a day, and the band have so far earned $US1512. Lothlorien are not the only New Zealanders enjoying success on the site. Chris Mason-Battley Group, Mistake Theory and Blue Train have collectively earned over $US11,000 since last May. The groups are cashing in on MP3.com's Payback for Playback scheme, which rewards artists who contribute free music with a monthly share of $US1 million of advertising revenue, depending on popularity. New Zealand's biggest internet music earner is Chris Mason-Battley, a Waitakere jazz musician and part-time music teacher, who has submitted seven tracks to the MP3.com site last May. Yesterday, he had accumulated $US8056.94 in earnings from MP3.com. 'It's pretty amazing actually," said Mr Mason-Battley, a part time music teacher at four Auckland high schools. Despite his success on the wires he has no immediate plans to turn professional. "I'm committed to my classes, and I'm not going to jump off the edge into something unless it's stable. But some of my students are quite incredulous, they ask me: 'What are you doing here?"' So far MP3.com's biggest earner worldwide is California-based easy listening artist Ernesto Cortazar who collected $ 24,795.46 in one month last June. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:15:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) > > 1-house queen (don't forget dog breeder) but that doesn't count as I don't make money! My vet and pet food suppliers do! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:23:21 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) assistant professor in academic parlance (in geography), but I actually prefer to be called a college instructor as it puts less emphasis on the designation and makes people relate to me more than when i call myself an assistant professor. i also part-time as a writer for United International Pictures where I write publicities for an upcoming UIP movie. Joseph (who also had a brief stint as image model for a shirt in his early 20s -- an experience that made me realize that models go through a lot of process to appear natural when in fact a gallon of powder, and other awful stuff are heaped on one's face and body). On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Wally Kairuz wrote: > marilyn, > great job!!! it IS fun to know what other jmdlers do. what a lot of > librarians! > wallyk > > > > > It's been fun! Thanks everyone :) > > Marilyn > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:52:34 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Speed Cameras NJC Catherine wrote: >They used that (photo radar) here for a while in my >province, Ontario. Then there was an election and the >current gov't stopped it. It probably did rake in a >lot of cash, but it doesn't work as well as people >think it might - often you can't read the license >plates in any case. (But I'm sure they were working >on that! Man, what a cash cow that is!) We've had them here for quite some time - some permanently placed on the sides of the road, others in the back of police cars, strategically placed around corners on known "problem" roads. I think they've made a difference in people's speeding, and I really don't have much of a problem with that. NZ has a high rate of deaths on the road, speeding being one of the main causes (alcohol being the other). But the best photo I've seen for someone NOT getting caught was a car caught at 40km/h above the speed limit, but a seagull chose that moment to fly between the car and the camera, completely obscuring the number plate! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:54:56 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Red Riding Hood oppresses Wolf (NJC) >>> Other people avoided the woods for fear of thieves and deviants, but >>> Red Riding Hood felt that, in a truly classless society, all >>> marginalized peoples would be able to "come out" of the woods and be >>> accepted as valid lifestyle role models. Silly Red Riding Hood, doesn't she know that only straight people are valid lifestyle role models? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:18:43 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: pipe dream professions njc wallyk wrote: >jody! what a great thread!!! >my pipe dream profession would definitely be dramatic soprano. And after I stopped my hysterical laughter over this post.... Honestly Wally, you had me screaming over this one - the images in my head! My pipe-dream profession would be a lot different to what I'm doing now! First of all, I'd be independently wealthy, either having won BIG in a lottery, or having inherited millions from some long-lost great aunt somewhere, so I wouldn't HAVE to work to support myself. I could then travel to all the Jonifests and Joni concerts in all parts of the world, and present wonderful NZ souvenirs to my hosts. I'd be a well-known sculptor, working in sandstone (something I actually want to try when I find a house conducive to piles of stone dust!), but I'd also play competitive cricket and rugby for my country (not an All Black, but a Black Fern)! And I'd live in a huge beach house on the coast of NZ, with lots of privacy, but only a relatively short drive from the city - I'd miss my Sunday latte too much to move too far, and I'd need to be close the music stores. Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:18:20 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: JoniEgo >> (To the writer who implied that men have only egos, please note that all men >> do have souls, and ALL women do have egos. Wrestle with that!) And especially wondrous Joni! If she didn't have all that ambitious drive, and the RESTLESSNESS of her daddy, Don Juan, we wouldn't be gathered together celebrating her creativity and productivity. ><< I'm not sure how high that one ranks on the sincerity scale. Perhaps there >are better examples. >"Yesterday," for one... > > --Bob But wasn't the genesis of "Yesterday" that Paul composed the soulful melody altogether without sincere content? What was the notorious word that preceded "Yesterday," with the same rhythm? Something like "Bubble-Gum, now I need a place to guzzle rum, etc." Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:28:48 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) In a message dated 8/4/00 12:57:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << 1- former carnie >> I don't remember reading that one Marilyn. Okay, who is the former carnie? Jimmy np: Leon Russell "Out in the Woods" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:38:51 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Final JMDL profession update (NJC) > > << 1- former carnie >> > > I don't remember reading that one Marilyn. Okay, who is the former carnie? > > Jimmy ... A traveling carnival set itself up there, rides and tents unfolding from the trucks like origami, strings of lights, wheels of fortune: the whole gig. I screwed up my courage and asked the flowsy matron who was in charge of the thing (she wore curlers, a tank top and a fuscia prize feather boa, I kid you not) if she had any work for me. In between drags of her cigarette, she asked the guy running the tent next to her trailer if he needed help. He said he did, and she told him to pay me 2 bucks a night to reset the "cats" in their shelf bases so patrons hurling baseballs wouldn't have to wait so long for a full target. That was my first job. I only got beaned once. The carnival was dynamic: thrilling and sexy,dirty and glamorous. I smoked my first cigarettes between the truck trailers in the dusty shadow of flickering florescents and to the sounds of screams, Allis-Chalmer tractor engines powering the rides and the clicking of the fortune wheels. Local girls wearing bandanas tied like halter tops around neck rings flirted with tattooed "carnies" who arrived on motorcycle to wherever the setup traveled. Introduction To Hormones, big time. I can't describe how sad I was when they folded up and moved on. I traced the footprint of the deserted compound for days. Once a carnie, always a carnie. CC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Napster - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/00 1:43:05 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Michael (resisting the urge to go seek out a song > called Bleeker Street > by Jonatha Brooke) >> > > Is that a cover of the Jerry Rafferty song? > Rafferty's song was "Baker Street" ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Scottish Joni fans - --- Anna Ruth MacLean <9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk> wrote: > Hello everybody. > I have just joined and I am intrigued to know how > many of the 600 > people on this mailing list are Scottish too. I > know one Joni fan > and I would love to know more. Welcome to the list, Anna. I'm not Scottish but I do have some Scottish in my background - my Dad's family (McKay) was either Scottish or Irish (we're not sure which because we've been in Canada such a long time.) This is very strange but I've just now received *your* post, whereas I had already rec'd responses to it yesterday - perhaps even the day before? I've had that happen a few times lately - does this happen to anyone else? Does anyone have any idea why? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Survey (NJC) - --- Kakki wrote: > The secret is the martinis ;-) Shaken, not stirred? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:31:31 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Bleeker Street Song NJC In a message dated 8/3/00 1:43:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Michael (resisting the urge to go seek out a song called Bleeker Street by Jonatha Brooke) >> Is that a cover of the Jerry Rafferty song? Paul I Negative. It was apparently and original of hers from an early album no longer available. Michael Hi guys, You are both wrong on this one. The song Bleeker Street was written by Paul Simon and I believe was on their debut Wednesday Morning 3 AM LP from 1964. It is the first song on their absolutely wonderful 3 CD boxset from a couple of years ago called OLD FRIENDS. Here is what the booklet says about it... "At their first official session for Columbia in March 1964, Simon and Garfunkel cut an exquisite demo version of Simon's "Bleeker Street" that has been resurrected for this set and which documents with adolescent wonder ("Voices leaking ffom a sad cafe...A poet reads his crooker rhymes") the short-lived romance of the scene and its time." I would definitely recommend getting this set to everyone. The songs bring back so many memories for me . I think S&G were almost as important to me as Joni back then. A few of the songs sound dated but so many are just brilliant. As is Simon's guitar playing!! If you want to hear the best accoustic guitar playing and finger picking (in regular tuning, that is) he's definitely it. I find this one of the best CD's for long car trips. I sing at the top of my lungs to almost everything, and do a lot of steering wheel tapping and air guitar picking. It really showcases the genius of Simon and Garfunkel and has great packaging. The attached long booklet is full of photos and info about them, their career together and the stories behind a lot of the songs. "(One important and frequently overlooked, influence on the Simon and Garfunkel sound was the parallel folk revival in England to which Simon was exposed during the lengthy sabbbaticals abroad in 1964 and '65.)" There are also a lot of unissued versions of songs and concert segments where they chat. A fun trip down memory lane or great too if your not that familiar with it. For the record though, I was never as crazy about Paul's solo stuff as I was about S&G together. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:00:04 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: GREENPOINTS Has 1000 Point Survey Up (NJC) For those of you doing Greenpoints: There is a 1,000 greenpoint survey for Servisense. Go to "Earn GreenPoints" and where it says "Click & Earn" go to the second page (view more Click & Earn offers). You can also get 500 greenpoints for signing up for Newsletters ForFree. Go to: http://www.greenpoints.com Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:36:39 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland, sincerely angry; Van in SF, sincerely stoned Les & Kakki and all, The puzzle and desideratum of sincerity - -- as opposed to professionalism, keeping up appearances, delivering an adequate performance where you're not in the mood, etc.-- is also a real challenge for the performer. Especially a challenge for someone like Joni whose fans often connect with her so intimately, and who expect her to connect back to them from the stage.... They want to drink a case of her. But instead, in Scotland, she was sincerely pissed off. As opposed to Miles Davis, say, who established a pattern of almost completely ignoring his audience. He was aware of them... in that he turned away from them. Which makes for less work for the performer, since he/she doesn't have to emote and project. I saw Van with Them, summer of 1966, Fillmore Ballroom, SF. He was "tripping" (what kind of sincerity is that?), and so putting on a pretty lame performance. I wanted to get charged with "Mystic Eyes" and "Baby please don't go!" and he was wandering around the stage, goofing on the pulsing light show, then crunching candy into the mike, even sticking the mike into the audience just to see what foolishness would be said into it... Then stumbling through another song. I would have preferred a more professional show, where Van and the guys gave the audience what it was there for. Those who weren't happily tripping along with Van, that is. Bruce ...... If I'd >experienced her being mean or insulting the crowd when I was young, I'm sure >I'd be a bit devastated. But now that I'm older, I don't think it would >affect me that much. I'd just consider her as getting a bit cranky and >appreciate the rest of it. I forget who posted the other day regarding Van >Morrison's unpredictability at shows, but I enjoyed the post. Something to >the effect of you never know if he is going to come out and sing like an >angel or piss and spit at the crowd and stomp off. From what I've seen at >his shows, his fans seem to take it all in stride, either way. But I guess >knowing how he has always been, they expect it. On the other hand, Joni had >established such an image of sweetness from the beginning that the shock of >her acting in conflict with that image must have been all the more harder to >take. I think most of us have come to know that she's just human but that >does make her creative work all the more remarkable. But not to fear, she >really IS exceptionally sweet, as many who have met her will tell you. And >even better than that, she is very honest and real. >Kakki Yes, these stories that people tell here, where she connects with them in sudden conversation, holding hands, are just wonderful. (I recall one in particular, from Saskatoon, called "My new best friend, Joni!") You have to admire her for being able to stay open that way, when so many people are coming at her all the time, and she can easily retreat behind her entourage. Being Joni must be hard work-- but someone has to do it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:44:01 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: The Profession poll so far....(NJC) ...as of 3 weeks ago I am out of the LAN admin field and working again in mental health and substance abuse. pat Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:18:30 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: LAW: 2-paralegals 1-court reporter 1-attorney MENTAL HEALTH: 1-mental health worker 1-psychotherapist/social worker 1-supervisor of a group home (developmental disabilities) TEACHING: 1-teacher (former publisher) 1-admissions consultant for grad school BUSINESS: 1-investment advisor 1-corporate account specialist 1-office mgmt/administrative asst. 1-researcher in executive research 1-retail manager (books) 1-advertising copywriter COMMUNICATIONS: 1-broadcast journalist MISC: 1-in left field 1-angel 1-house queen 1-art history student LIFE'S WORK (supported by one of the above careers) painter/sculptor writer/poet playwright Send more! Marilyn Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:09:26 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Public Apology (NJC) Somehow I have managed to offend one of my favorite members of this list. My virtual mouth gets me in trouble some times, usually when I least expect or intend it. Let me then offer the sincerest of apologies. Roberto is a devoted and knowledgable opera fan whose devotion to this idiom has enriched myself, and I am sure other music-lovers on this list. One of the JMDL's great points is the opportunity to read Mark's tender paeans to Billie Holiday, Kakki's empassioned suggestions on Brazilian music, Bob's utter devotion to everything ever recorded ;-). Many of us come to Joni because of our appreciation for the adventurous and accomplished in art. That she appeals to so many with such different views of what constitute greatness, with devotions to such wide varieties of genres, only testifies to her brilliance. The inevitable consequence is that we will disagree about other matters of music, include the relative quality of Aretha or anybody's performance of "Nessun Dorma" or anything. I LOVE THOSE DISAGREEMENTS. I am glad Robert disagrees with me; otherwise I would learn nothing. My reference to an opinion I knew he held was intended as friendly and joking; it was read otherwise. I am deeply, deeply sorry for that. Roberto, thank you and I'm sorry. - --Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world." - --Dolly Parton, "Tennessee Homesick Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:10:57 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: FWD: Red Riding Hood oppresses wolf, NJC Jim Lamadoodle wrote: "Thanks Jan. I roared at your modern fairy tale but I'm afraid the impact will be lost to many of the JMDLers' liberals. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: The Convention in Philadelphia" Jim: Are you implying that I don't have a sense of humor?? That's NOT FUNNY!!!! ;-) Mary P. - --Guilty as charged on the "liberal" count, but watched every single night of the Republican national convention. Interesting! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Survey (NJC) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > > Oh shit did I forget to include the farting noises > with my kids. Well, > who else do you think teaches em that? Not perfect > though, I still > manage to piss off my wife at least once a day. I'll 'fess up now - I enjoy the farting noises, OK? It is SO easy to make little kids laugh and if they're belly-laughers, so much the better. All you have to do is make silly rhymes (I once got one of my nephews going by referring to my sister's cat as "Smelly Nellie with the Jelly Belly") or silly noises or anything involving poopoo, peepee, caca and they're larfin' like idiots - but make sure they go to the bathroom first, because they ususally laugh so hard they pee their pants. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pipe dream professions njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > my pipe dream profession would definitely be > dramatic soprano. I want in on that master class! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:54:37 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Ferron njc Susan wrote: > The statutes of Kilkenny outlawed bards and balladeers sometime in the > sixteenth century if memory serves me correctly...Twisted huh? I don't know if that was such a bad law. I can think of some bards and balladeers I'd like to see outlawed. Maybe they should update the statutes to make it unlawful to be a boy band, a Joni clone, or Jackson Browne. :) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: pipe dream professions NJC Hello all, (warning: OPERA CONTENT!!!) I absolutely LOVED Wally K's post about his pipe dream profession and share a similar one yet my speciality would be Mozart/Handel and ANYTHING pre-1800!!! My Konstanze would bring the house down as I performed Martern aller Arten with a fury NEVER seen before. My Pamina would make even the yawners weep as I took the blade and contemplated doing away with myself. I would play my Donna Elvira with such comedy AND tragedy that they would BEG me to play her everywhere and my Mi Tradi Quell'alma Ingrata would overshadow even the commedore scene. I would however occasionally take on roles like Lucia just to mess with the public's perception of me and because I could rival Sutherland in the role and reviews would echo this. One summer I would tour with the worlds leading symphony orchestras doing Gorecki's Symphony #3 (Symphony of Sorrowfull Songs) just because I love the piece. After a retirement which will leave the public wondering about my whereabouts I will triumphantly return for a brief engagement where I will pull out all stops ad reveal my TRUE self as The Queen Of The Night making all who have performed the role previously look like mere attempts. After Der Holle Rache the roar of the crowd will be heard in neighboring cities. it will take the stage managers 30+ minutes to clear the stage of flowers ad my understudy will have to sing the few measly lines at the end of the opera as I will disappear from the house being whisked away to an undisclosed location where I will spend my retirement occasionally popping up around the world (in disguise) in small clubs performing german cabaret songs. Using an alias I will rock the Broadway world too as Stephen Sondheim (who saw my cabaret act) will write his latest musical especially for me. I will lunch with Sondheim, John Waters, Sandra Bernhardt, Armisted Maupin, Stevie Nicks, Laurie Anderson, and countless others OFTEN!!! Joni will be my BEST friend and we will vacation together in Europe and at times share a home together in San Francsco!!! PS: I will never marry but will have a scandalous affairs with Alagna and Cura. David Crosby will father my first born (accidentally of course after a deliciosly stoned evening at my Manhattan loft) and DeNiro wlll father my second child and Beg my hand in marriage which I will not give. NP: Pink Floyd "The Great Gig In The Sky" Love & Peace, Kevin "I never wanted to be a painter I wanted to be a tap-dancer" - -Andy Warhol- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:34:49 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Catch the Wave!! The list is getting longer, and the excitement is building for the 3rd {Annual??} New England Labor Day Jonifest! Is your name on here? No???? How could you **possibly** miss the HAPPENING OF THE MILLENIUM???!!!!!!???? Remember, even if you really, truly "just can't make it" to Topsfield on Labor Day, you can join in the festivities as well as help out the jmdl website by sending a check for any amount payable to: Les Irvin, and send it to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Your name, whether you are physically here or not, will be entered in the give-a-way prizes such as: Joni songbooks, videos, CD's, tapes, RARE articles from Rolling Stone, etc., Mendel invitations, Maidstone cookbooks, JMDL listers CD's, and many, many more!! If you are a winner and are not physically here, your prize will be sent to you, no matter where you are in the world! {Any winners from last year want to elaborate as to how WONDERFUL this is??} Got an extra Joni or list related item on hand? If you have ANYTHING to offerfor this great give-a-way, please send it as soon as possible!!! The following is the list of Jonifest party-goers so far, and people are falling off the fence onto the "definite" list faster than you can say, "In the cookie I read!" Ashara@aol.com (Ashara and Sal) wallykai@interserver.com.ar (Wally K.) MGVal@aol.com (MG) rhollis@home.com (Roberto) SCJoniGuy@aol.com (Bob) les@jmdl.com (Les) luvart@snet.net (Heather) patrickl@bway.net (Patrick) mm@celebrityseries.org (Maggie) chucke@tiac.net (Chuck E.) kg@nyc.rr.com (Kenny Grant) johnsonjs@earthlink.net (Jody Johnson) jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com (Jenny Goodspeed, and Eric) leslie@torchsongs.com (Leslie and Steve Mixon) briangross@rocketmail.com (Brian Gross) waytoblu@mindspring.com (Victor Johnson) pholden@iprimus.ca (Mags) stealth@voicenet.com (Nikki Johnson) alisone@kirkhams.com (Alison Einerson) claudsansoucie@hotmail.com (Claudia) shapiro@ocd.mclean.org (Leslie Shapiro) jmills@groundswell.net (Julius) jzwebb@yahoo.com (Julie Webb) rosemjoy@aol.com (Rose Joy) asandstrom@allaire.com (Anne) FMYFL@aol.com (Jimmy) RickieLee1@aol.com (Ric) eehardt@erols.com (Evie Eisenhardt) john.van.tiel@wxs.nl SAVtheWAVE@aol.com (Joe) Not sure yet: marian@jmdl.com (Marian) michaelpaz@telocity.com (Michael Paz) Harpua@revealed.net WirlyPearl@aol.com (Pearl and Steve) jlamadoo@one.net kakkib@att.net (Kakki) Lrfye@yahoo.com (Lori) merrillb@crisny.org (Bruce Merrill) yaelharlap@yahoo.com (Yael Harlap) tikimoon007@aol.com (Stacy) TerryM2442@aol.com (Terry) jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:51 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: REQ: MuchMusic TV Special Hey everyone, I have been meaning to post a request for this one but am now just remembering. I was wondering if some kind soul who has two nice VHS decks could copy for me the MuchMusic TV special that ran in Canada on September 23, 1994. I think this was treed before I joined the list. I would really like a copy of it. We could do blank and postage or a trade (how about three or four cassettes from my collection for it?) Let me know if you can hook me up. My list is below. NP-Grateful Dead, Fillmore East 9/20/72-New Speedway Boogie - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ferron njc - --- philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > Susan wrote: > > > The statutes of Kilkenny outlawed bards and > balladeers sometime in the > > sixteenth century if memory serves me > correctly...Twisted huh? > > I don't know if that was such a bad law. I can > think of some bards and > balladeers I'd like to see outlawed. Maybe they > should update the > statutes to make it unlawful to be a boy band, a > Joni clone, or > Jackson Browne. :) I'm no expert on this but I believe it was the Tudors who outlawed bards and balladeers in Ireland, because these bards would sing the stories and praises of great Irish heroes and stir up Irish patriotism at a time when the English wanted to suppress Ireland and anything Gaelic by whatever means it took. Maybe we don't want to ban the boy bands, but perhaps we could boycott them (which would be fitting, since Boycott was Irish). Oh, we already do? Most of us? Never mind then... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:29:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: mystery profession...njc "c Karma" wrote: I'm not sure if it's all that important what I'm doing to support my family these days...I will share what my first job was though, and somehow I think it's all the same since then. So, your either a carny or a writer (nice post)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:38:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: pipe dream professions NJC oh but kevin!!!! how could you forget!!!! i was the very famous donna anna to your unequalled donna elvira!!!! in paris, our fans unhitched the horses and pulled our carriage themselves [i was SLIM then]. oh what memories!!!! wallyk, wondering whether i should do some mahler at ashara's >I would play my Donna Elvira with such comedy > AND tragedy that they would BEG me to play her everywhere and my Mi > Tradi Quell'alma Ingrata would overshadow even the commedore scene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC > This is getting deeper by the minute. How many > albums in history have "broken new ground". Not since W. Amadeus Mozart overturned "The Well-Tempered Clavier" has any musical ground been broken in Western civilization. Anything else you hear is derivative to some extent or another. End of story. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:14:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md)NJC <> And not since Bill C. said "I did not have sex with that woman" has a bigger fib been told as that above! And NOW you know the REST of the story! :~D Well-Tempered Bob NP: Herbie Hancock, "Here Come De Honey Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:26:14 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Leslie@WTRF in Edinburgh Leslie. Re your account of the second night after bad reviews of the first. I had no idea the WTRF concert in Edinburgh was so confrontational with the audience. You never said. God love you. You probably didn't want to upset me. Still, I wish I'd been there: having yet to see Miss Beloved to this day. What do you put it down to? A bad mood? How could Edinburgh put anyone ...........? Maybe she had traced her origins to the swine responsible for the Highland clearances. Who knows? Prequel to The Magdelene Laundries I would have guessed. Song For Sharon @ Megadeth volume with crunching guitars is so unJoni-like. Can hardly believe it. Maybe an off haggis? Upset tummy perhaps? Have any other JMDLers experienced a Joni so-I-threw-my-drink experience? That WTRF period of Joni's music was beginning to lose her a plethora of fans, alas. Daft asses if you ask me. Chinese Cafe was the obvious first track on WTRF, like later Good Friends on DED, My Secret Place on CMIARS, Harlem in Havana on TTT. The marketing ploys. Thinking of the first tracks on LOTC, FTR and C&S, they certainly weren't the "hits". Why weren't Big Smelly Taxi, You Turn Me Off, Raised on Buggery the first tracks on those albums? What does this tell us. Rhetorical. Leslie, I'm wandering from the original point you made earlier "and late from the New York City to the Golden Gate". Sang it on stage last night. Tangled up in Blue, Woodstock, Sara, Dock of the Bay" wishing you had been there with all the JMDLers. Another poser I'd like to put to all friends of spirit. Do you think Joni, her actual self, ever tunes in to the JMDL? Willy the Shake NP - Emancipation by Prince. Have been playing - ENCARTA. An awesome encyclopedia disc of eveything you ever wanted to know. In there under Joni Mitchell is a playable snap of "Sitting in a park in Paris France". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:41:26 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Ruth Maclean & Joni Dear Anna (Ruth MacLean) fae Bonnie S, Hey and welcome to the club. We Scots seem to be emerging from the scullery like we're coming to the dinner gong: table laden high. When I was in high school and wide-eyed open to it all, having a particularly unfashionable taste in music was a harbinger of potential conflict, ridicule, banishment to peer exile: BORING - the old man is snoring (almost wrote snorting there). Being a wimp then, I went with the flow. David Bowie, Yes, et al. Not that I'm not giving those guys their due. Anyway, one day in our art department, a fellow "Highers" mentioned that Joni was her favourite. I'd never heard any of Joni's "stuff" (other than a 1970's cover of Woodstock by Mathews Southern Comfort) but I "knew" that she was an airy-fairy-arty-farty-happy-hippy type. Oddly enough, and what! a coincidence, this fellow "Highers" name was Ruth MacLean! I cannot say I ever knew her as being Anna. It's a lo-o-o-ong shot but I must ask you if you are the one who studied with Mrs M. and Jack? Needless to say hanging out with the arty department types led to evenings listening to arty LPs. Harvest, Still Crazy..., Tapestry. C&S and HOSL were my first exposures to the real Joni from whence I acquired, at a pace of knots, every album I could afford on a student's grant. In those days the state paid for our college beers and LPs. I left home and went to art college in Dundee where I met Leslie (who has just replied to your post) and struck up a friendship which lasts to this day. Leslie and I have much in common, as dear friends do, and it all began with a common love of you know who. I don't live in Scotland now and haven't for 20 years. I've been travelling travelling travelling travelling looking for something. I come home every evening and I can be assured that if no family or friends have e-written that day I'll have the JMDL to look forward to. Joni is Joni is Joni has always been Joni but since joining the JMDL my fervour, appreciation, relistening, re-evaluation blah blah blah is nth degree fold. 600 of us I reckon is the tip of the iceberg. Have a great weekend. Willy the Shake (I stole that) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:35:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Malapropisms and mistakes - absolutely NJC It's Friday afternoon and here in Canada (in Ontario, at least, I'm not sure about the rest of you!), it's A LONG WEEKEND! Yeehaw! In honour of this auspicious occasion, I thought I'd send you a sampling of some of the weird stuff we get in the mail here where I work. One of my staff likes to keep track of "funny" letters and provided this list to us. Spell check can't be blamed because most errors were handwritten. - -Like the old saying, an ounce of prevention now, will save time later - -when the shoe is on the other foot, it gets swept under the carpet - -she was encouraged to come to our rural area, and having done so, she has dug in with both feet - -let's wake up and smell the roses - -you would be well advised to stop band-standing and bargain in good faith - -those figures would be somewhat muddied and possibly skewered - -the condition worsened and he became emancipated and dehydrated - -it is a foolish waste of space and money to build a state of the ark type of building - -I frequent a chiropractor because the stresses of everyday life tense my back mussels and force my alignment off kinder - -he was given tinted blood - -as more of us approach our Glodden Years... - -this free (health) care crap is exactly that, crap, with a capital P - -I was in to see a friend who has gone blind at suppertime - -you're doing a great kob, keep it up - -she underwent surgery to have her gold bladder removed - -I have gone to extraordinary links to cancel my health card - -the level of care she received deteriorated and became spasmatic - -the matter is of primoridal importance - -your letter shows the bras of your department - -I shutter to think - -...for CCACs and other Long Term Care organisms - -to err is human but to err knowingly is criminal - -I discovered that your department has had deer ticks carrying Lyme disease in your possesion for the past 21 years - -what I am stating may seem bazaar - - a two-teared American Health System - -due to clawbacks, decapitation...it is more and more difficult to receive health care - -we are writing about the possible closure of the maturity ward ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:51:07 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC Don Rowe wrote: <> Well, I certainly don't agree with that, but really I was wondering what "Mozart overturned 'The Well-Tempered Clavier'" means. J. S. Bach wrote "The Well-Tempered Clavier." Did Mozart do something else important to it? - --David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #434 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?