From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #432 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 432 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Aretha NJC [FredNow@aol.com] CPR ["Kate Bennett" ] Scottish Joni fans ["Anna Ruth MacLean" <9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk>] Re: Gonad counting - boring elaboration (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Scottish Joni fans NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Men have no soul only egos. NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC ["John Stilwell" ] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Gonad counting - boring elaboration (NJC) [catman ] Re: Ferron njc [Slac ] Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [Catherine McKay <] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJCRe: Record companies wake up to On-Line music subscription (NJC) [] Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [Catherine McKay <] RE: FBI to spy on email?? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Survey (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Aretha [Jerry Notaro ] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: Scottish Joni fans NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re:Subject: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [Gertus@ao] Re: Subject: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC [FMYFL@ao] re: Nucleus Nuance (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) [Don Rowe ] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Napster [Michael Paz ] Re: Men have no soul only egos *NJC* ["P. Henry" ] Re: Survey (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Bleecker St. NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Men with Passion (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Professions (NJC [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Men with Passion (NJC) [jan gyn ] Fwd: Red Riding Hood oppresses Wolf (OT) [jan gyn if you can direct me to instance of progressive rock > which are complicated and original and COMBINE these virtues with being > lyrical, melodic, well-vocalized, sincere, from the heart... please do > so! Peter Gabriel ... with or without Genesis. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:44:33 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Aretha NJC "Kate Bennett" wrote: >Speaking of Aretha, did anyone catch the 100 greatest TV moments where >she was singing opera? WOW- it made me weep. I caught it going down live the first time on the Grammys, and, as I may have even posted here at the time, THAT'S how I want to hear all opera being sung. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:42:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CPR I love CPR. They are currently touring a bit so don't miss them if they come to your area!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:32:43 +0100 From: "Anna Ruth MacLean" <9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Scottish Joni fans Hello everybody. I have just joined and I am intrigued to know how many of the 600 people on this mailing list are Scottish too. I know one Joni fan and I would love to know more. In fact he introduced me to her music about 2 years ago. My parents had never permitted me to listen to any pop music...basically to any music without Christian lyrics except classical music. I can only say that listening to Blue at night on a personal stereo was an emotional experience which has influenced who I am. Not knowing much about singers, I never imagined that Joni was so famous. I was desperate to find out more about her so I went on the Internet at school when I was supposed to be doing a computing project. I started to print out the sections on her life. Now I have my own access to the web and I'm really enjoying Jonimitchell.com. Thank you so much Wally for creating the site. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:19:56 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Gonad counting - boring elaboration (NJC) >Very impressive! Let me know if corrections are needed. I personally like >the former gonad counting job! OK, from the comments I've had, it looks like I'm going to have to elaborate! This will be long, kind of scientific, and/or very boring, so delete now! I spent several summers (university vacations) working for the Northland Catchment Commission who monitor the use of water (both salt and fresh) around Northland, NZ (which is also where I did the project on faecal coliform levels for a paper at university). One of their projects was to identify the spawning seasons of the pipi (native clam) which form large beds in the entrance to Whangarei Harbour. The New Zealand Refining Company (huge oil refining plant) lies at the head of this harbour, and the peculiar location of the pipi beds (right in the middle of the harbour - and it's pretty deep to accomodate the oil tankers) prevents the currents from eroding the shoreline, so it's important that they stay healthy and in good numbers. So we took samples, treated them, and cut sections for microscopic analysis. My job was to view the sections of pipi through a "gridded" lens, and count the number of times an egg or concentrated section of sperm (which was coloured by special dyes) fell on the intersection of the grid. I did this for hundreds of samples taken from an entire year, and so we built up a pattern of when the concentrations where highest (pre-spawning) and when they were at their lowest (post-spawning) which in theory, should have been very close together. They were, and so we were then able to instruct the regulatory agencies to put restrictions on the numbers of shellfish taken by the public during these crucial spawning times. A boring job, but the end result was pretty interesting (to me, anyway). Hell P.S. By the way, pipis taste really nice when they're steamed, then soaked in malt vinegar for a couple of hours - and they make great bait for snapper! _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:39:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Scottish Joni fans In a message dated 8/3/00 6:48:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk writes: << Hello everybody. I have just joined and I am intrigued to know how many of the 600 people on this mailing list are Scottish too. > Hello Anna, and being of Scottish descent I'd like to welcome you to the JMDL ! We have quite a few listers in the UK, but you are the first from Scottland (but I'm not sure) < Now I have my own access to the web and I'm really enjoying Jonimitchell.com. Thank you so much Wally for creating the site. >> Jonimithcell.com is how most of us found this list. Wally certainly did a great job in creating the site, and Jim J. is doing a great job of maintaing it. Thanks for posting Anna!!! Jimmy Stewart Ft. Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:43:02 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC > Certainly, the Beatles were a band that, even moreso than Joni or any other >musician, combined new sounds with intellectually bright and emotion-laden >lyrics. Those Beatles are in a class by themselves, amazing and unique. But did they combine their ambition and their sincerity? For example, take one of their most unusual, clever, complicated songs, "For the Benefit of Mr. Kite." Does that qualify as sincere? Now take a most sincere song: "Dear Prudence," John's song to his lost mother. It's a simple and relatively unassuming song, which is very much part of its tenderness. Both songs are wonderful, I find. Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, unusual & also sincere? Maybe "All you need is love" would qualify, since the way they combine the um-pah sing-along with the 7/8 time is a striking accomplishment...? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:51:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Scottish Joni fans NJC <> Welcome, Anna, Queen of the Scots! :~) I know we've got at LEAST 1 other Scot out there. (As opposed to the people named Scott, of course...) <> Well, now you know about 700! <> What a pity...almost guaranteed to drive you away from the genre once you're able to have the freedom to listen to what you want to... Anyway, Anna, glad to have you, look forward to hearing from you! Bob NP(Now Playing) Golden Smog, "Friend" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:03:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Men have no soul only egos. NJC <I love his voice, but I always feel even dorkier when I admit that I have a crapload of Hall and Oates hidden in the closet.>> Daryl Hall is a GREAT blue-eyed soul singer, Evian...you may actually feel dorky, but it shouldn't be because you're a Hall & Oates fan..."Voices" & "Private Eyes" were a great 1-2 knockout punch, and "Abandoned Luncheonette" is also a superlative record. And, to inject some JC, Joni adds vocals to Mr. Hall's "Right As Rain", which thanks to Raffaelle is on "Covers & Contributions" CD Volume 8... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:14:01 GMT From: "John Stilwell" Subject: Re: NJC Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC Wow! What a response to this! I must say, I love a group where the members can put so much "time in". I appreciate the examples given of Yes, Jethro Tull and Genesis. I would also like to add King Crimson to these examples. Anyone familiar with Robert Fripp? I think I would like to respond mostly to the following comments: *******There is no more sincere expression IMO than an >artist's mastery of an instrument or singing or lyrical style! But isn't there also the matter of what the singer is singing about, no? Doesn't that mean anything to you? Complicated >music is usually complicated because one has reached the absolute pinnacle >of his or her playing ability and is now pushing the limits of Expression! I don't agree. Tho I wish it were so. ************************************************* It seems to me that lyricism is only one form of musical expression and should not be the only basis on "what someone has to say" My inital arguments were surrounding one's ability to connect. I can connect with a heartfelt guitar solo of a true bluesplayer like Albert King, Lonnie Johnson or Mike Bloomfield. The bluesy style of David Gilmour can bring tears to your eyes if you listen to it note by note. There are musicians of all instruments that have something to say. Check "Cobham meets Bellison" to watch two drummers have a conversation with no words exhanged. The Saxophone playing of John Coltrane exemplifies the true emotion one can put into an instrument. See his "Love Supreme" album for an example of spirituality expressed through the sax. Speaking of spirituality, check out the works of John Mclaughlin a guitarist who plays with pure emotion. If you want to see three players hit the guitar and "speak", check out "The Meeting of the SPirits" acoustic guitar event with Mclaughlin, Paco DeLucia, and Larry Coryell. I connect with this tremendously! I am a huge fan of lyrics but perhaps even more of music. I love the lyrics of Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie, Joni Mitchell, etc. I love the emotion of Janis Joplin, Joe Cocker, etc. But I like musical arrangements that are challenging and rewarding. Joni Mitchell is a fine example of this. "Help Me" is sensational both lyrically and vocally, and the arrangemnts are fantastic. You will not see your average bar band even attempt this one based on its complexity. "Shadows and Light" is a great example of mixing wonderful songwriting with true musicianship, ie Pat Metheny and Jaco Pastorious. It is very rare that one finds great instrumentaion and lyricism combined; I will grant that, but to solely focus on the former, will leave one missing out on a ton of great music that is packed with emotion! I think Rush is an example of combing the two, but I'm sure the inevitable argument of lacking in feeling will surround the mention of them. But I would say that the best indication of a group or performers emotion and sincerity would be in their live performances. The studio can change the music, but the live act is the truth! On that note, have you ever seen Rush live? nothing held back there. I maintain as I said before that "Complicated music is usually complicated because one has reached the absolute pinnacle of his or her playing ability and is now pushing the limits of Expression!" Note the usually! But to limit this to "name a progressive rock band that you connect with" would be futile. I can do that easily based on my standards for instrumentation. I hope you seek out some of my recommendations and are able to connect with them. Jazz does not always hit you immediatley, but when it does it is a powerful connection. Respectfully, John ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:14:43 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC In a message dated 8/2/2000 6:06:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, emmy34@juno.com writes: << I am in Women Studies at the University of Washington >> Wow what a coincidence. I studied women when I was in college. Some real close up. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:51:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC In a message dated 8/2/00 10:01:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << well emmy BURNS, i understand why you're not a baker anymore!!!! ;-) wallyk> once was a > baker. >> you know what they call a baker who likes to work alone????? a MasterBaker!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Careers (NJC) Mark in Seattle wrote: I am a corporate account specialist for an air express company. In other words, I am a flunky. Honey, I'd flunk with you anyday :-) I handle consumer affairs and e-business for the Martinelli juice company, prior to that I was a Marketing Event Manager for a vitamin manufacturer. My travels to trade shows and for field work have allowed me to meet many jmdlers. Next week, my job is taking me to LA, and I get to attend Tuesday night's benefit for Fred Walecki, all courtesy of my employer. I'm also looking forward to dinner with Steve Dulson (and his wife) accompanied by Mr. Mixon, my brother and his girlfriend, and two Martinelli business associates. The jmdl magic is spreading... My employer also enables me to provide complimentary beverages for Joni Fests which I did for New Orleans and will do for AsharaFest. They treat me right, and, my boss is a JoniFan, especially the latest, BSN. By the way, we've redesigned our corporate website and I welcome feedback from any of you who care to check it out - www.martinellis.com. If any of you want coupons for our juice, just send an email to: lesliemixon@aol.com Leslie NP: John Fogerty, Premonition (this rocks!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:39:51 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Professions of Listers Hi all, Answering the professions poll, I must be greedy, I have two careers. I am a full-time professional writer, specializing in technical writing for computers and business communications. Currently, I work full-time for a software company under the mildly illustrious title of Senior Technical Writer. I also am a full-time musician, performing as a pianist, harpist, guitarist and vocalist. I specialize in Renaissance music, theater, weddings, receptions and special events. Eventually, I'm working on phasing out the office job and actually using my master's in music to teach classical and popular piano. Oh, and by the way, while I'm responding to subjects on the list.... I am a man, and I have both a soul and an ego. (To the writer who implied that men have only egos, please note that all men do have souls, and ALL women do have egos. Wrestle with that!) Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:51:40 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC > > Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, unusual & also sincere? > Maybe "All you need is love" would qualify, since the way they combine the > um-pah sing-along with the 7/8 time is a striking accomplishment...? > > Bruce > Eleanor Rigby She's Leaving Home A Day in the Life My Guitar Gently Weeps just a few... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:10:14 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC In a message dated 8/3/00 8:00:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, unusual & also sincere? >> surely,"Strawberry Fields Forever" would fit the bill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:18:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Scottish Joni fans Welcome to our list, Anna. sorry to hear you had such a harsh upbringing. I am in the UK and several of us are. take care colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:16:44 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC In a message dated 8/3/00 8:00:45 AM, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << Now take a most sincere song: "Dear Prudence," John's song to his lost mother. >> I thought "Julia" was written by John for his mother, and "Dear Prudence" was written for Prudence Farrow, Mia's sister, when the Farrow sisters accompanied the Beatles to India to learn Transcendental Meditation. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:23:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gonad counting - boring elaboration (NJC) > > > A boring job, but the end result was pretty interesting (to me, anyway). and to me. I am glad there are people will to do such 'boring' jobs. The end result is important for our planet. bw colin > > > Hell > > P.S. By the way, pipis taste really nice when they're steamed, then soaked > in malt vinegar for a couple of hours - and they make great bait for > snapper! > _____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:27:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Professions of Listers > > > (To the writer who implied that men have only egos, please note that all men > do have souls, and ALL women do have egos. Wrestle with that!) and not only that. without an ego no human being would survive. > > > Regards, > > Harper Lou - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:30:29 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Ferron njc Philip wrote: > I love that song Breakpoint from Ferron's record. It's got a real > moody feel to it. The nice lady who runs Earthbeat gave me the > record but I never knew anything about Ferron untill now Hi Philip! I love this song too! It's the opening cut from the DRIVER album: my favourite Ferron creation so far :~) "...because your moves move me to fly high when I'm feeling unsure... Surely by now we've had our scares and now look what looks back at us... So, let's turn the outside way down low and play with fire..."- BREAKPOINT condensed :~) I first heard Ferron in 1984 at the Vancouver B.C. Canada Folk Festival at Jericho Beach. She performed songs from her newly released Rolling Stone Award winning album of that year, SHADOWS ON A DIME. I will never forget it! Shocked me awake! Changed my life profoundly! I've been her centuries old, black-Sheep, gypsy, Kilkenny-Butler Angel ever since ;~) The statutes of Kilkenny outlawed bards and balladeers sometime in the sixteenth century if memory serves me correctly...Twisted huh? It is my wish that this situation be rectified (if it hasn't already) and I believe Joni and Ferron are our men ;~) Any Kilkenny Butlers in good standing out there? Hear me! I myself can not afford to attend the family rally at Kilkenny Castle September 5th of this year but please gather these two to this place and listen. "...I did the best to follow the calling of my soul. But, it's like that first guitar I played... at the centre is a hole, at the centre is a...longing... that I cannot understand as a girl on a road..."-Ferron, GIRL ON A ROAD from DRIVER - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Wow what a coincidence. I studied women when I was > in college. Some real > close up. marcel deste. From the Wit and Wisdom of Ian Shoales: "If you want to appeal to members of the opposite sex, one of the prime reasons for going to college -- wear clothes with designer labels and join a sorority or fraternity. As for a major, go with Law or Medecine - -- everything else is just too iffy." Don Rowe Disclaimer: The humor in this post is designed to appeal to white, heterosexual males. It is not intended to portray or represent the sense of humor of the jmdl or it's Inner Circle. Anyone who says otherwise is ithin' for a fight! ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:54:42 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Aretha NJC This performance is available as the B-side to a single of hers which I own. I have it at home, and will post here after checking the title. With apologies to Roberto, I must add my voice to the acclaim for that performance. I consider Aretha to be the best singer ever recorded, and this performance confirmed that estimation for me. - --Michael NPIMH: Madonna's AMAZING new single, "Music" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world." - --Dolly Parton, "Tennessee Homesick Blues" On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 FredNow@aol.com wrote: > "Kate Bennett" wrote: > > >Speaking of Aretha, did anyone catch the 100 greatest TV moments where > >she was singing opera? WOW- it made me weep. > > I caught it going down live the first time on the Grammys, and, as I may have > even posted here at the time, THAT'S how I want to hear all opera being sung. > > -Fred Simon > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Ex teacher of authentic singing Ashara, what does this mean? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:22:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC In a message dated 8/3/00 7:54:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << Now take a most sincere song: "Dear Prudence," John's song to his lost mother. It's a simple and relatively unassuming song, which is very much part of its tenderness. >> "Julia" is the song to John's mother. "Dear Prudence" is about Mia Farrow's sister. But you are correct that they did not ALWAYS combine their ambition and sincerity. However, the examples you cite are the extremes that would show they did not, instead of songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Within You and Without You" that would show they did. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:22:56 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC Catherine wrote: << --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Ex teacher of authentic singing Ashara, what does this mean? >> Authenic singing is a process of letting your voice out, owning it, and finding and expressing the truth behind it. It is *not* about learning how to sing "well". I believe *everyone* can sing, and it is my belief that by doing this in a supportive, non-judgemental atmosphere, there is a freedom that comes with that and personal growth will be a result. I think this quote by Siquomb herself says it all: "If you've been dealt difficult changes by life, and you maintain a good heart, and are also a singer, there is a tone created that *can not* be faked. *Can Not* be faked." -Joni Mitchell- Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:27:00 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC In a message dated 8/3/00 10:10:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211 writes: << In a message dated 8/3/00 8:00:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, unusual & also sincere? >> surely,"Strawberry Fields Forever" would fit the bill. >> I'm not sure how high that one ranks on the sincerity scale. Perhaps there are better examples. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:46:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC In a message dated 8/3/00 11:38:30 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << I'm not sure how high that one ranks on the sincerity scale. Perhaps there are better examples. >> "Yesterday," for one... --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:47:13 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; NJC In a message dated 8/3/00 11:46:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy writes: << In a message dated 8/3/00 11:38:30 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << I'm not sure how high that one ranks on the sincerity scale. Perhaps there are better examples. >> "Yesterday," for one... --Bob >> True, "Yesterday" is sincere, but it's not very ambitious now, is it? I think you're forgetting the original parameters for this thread. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJCRe: Record companies wake up to On-Line music subscription (NJC) - --- catman wrote: > Although i prefer cd's for sound, I do miss the old > lp covers. I don't > see why they can't still make them that big! > I agree - CDs covers are way too small. LP covers were works of art and the size and shape had a lot to do with that, especially for the open-up kind. And the print was big enough for us old farts to be able to read without going cross-eyed! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what are the professions of JM listers(A poll) NJC - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Accountant on call here: > I work for a nonprofit, member owned and operated > financial institution. > Otherwise known as a credit union. > > rose (in NJ) Hey - cool! I keep my money in a credit union! And for those who didn't understand my convoluted explanation of what I do for a living, I'll make it simpler. I'm a middle manager in the communications branch in a provincial government ministry (a ministry here would be like a department in the US, I presume - no preaching is involved!) I'm sure you can understand my reluctance to admit what I do for a living. The only people who seem to be despised more than lawyers are bureaucrats! But hell, if the lawyers can stand up and be counted, then we faceless, nameless grey people can do it to. (Now I'm going back to sleep...) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: FBI to spy on email?? NJC - --- Chris Marshall wrote: > [ Interesting side issue. We're getting new speed > cameras > here in the UK, which do image recognition of car > number > plates as they pass two fixed points on a > motorway. If > the average speed is over the limit, you get > nicked. > The trick bit is a direct link to the UK Driver & > Vehicle > Licensing Agency computer, so that all this can be > automated. They used that (photo radar) here for a while in my province, Ontario. Then there was an election and the current gov't stopped it. It probably did rake in a lot of cash, but it doesn't work as well as people think it might - often you can't read the license plates in any case. (But I'm sure they were working on that! Man, what a cash cow that is!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief/Poll update(NJC) - --- M & C Urbanski wrote: I personally like > the former gonad counting job! I've been avoiding this but, what I really want to know is WHY?? Why count clam gonads? I'm guessing one of two things: scientific research (the effects of pollution on the pipi clam's sex lives?) or something to do with the food industry (male clams are more or less edible than female?) A friend of my sister's used to have a summer job "sexing" chicks. Not having sex with them, but separating the males from the females. Again, I'm not sure why, but it was a chicken farm. Presumably they wanted more females than males if they were in egg production and maybe they'd off the males (?) or castrate them and turn them into capons (?) A bunch of chicks would come by on a conveyer belt and these workers were supposed to identify which were male and which were female. Now there's a job with a future. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Aretha - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Speaking of Aretha, did anyone catch the 100 > greatest TV moments where she > was singing opera? WOW- it made me weep. Is any of this available on a CD? That is something I'd really love to hear! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Survey (NJC) So Michael (Superman?) ... what do you do in your spare time? - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Marilyn- > I think this is a very interesting thread, thank > you for doing it. I > fall into a couple of categories because of the > diversity of my work. I > do audio, video, and lighting production sales (for > concerts, tours, > festivals, conventions, etc.) sales of audio, video, > lighting for > permanent installation (churches, The New Orleans > Sports Arena, schools, > night clubs and restaurants, offices, anywhere > systems like this are > needed), sales to musicians, studios, project > studios, colleges, etc.) > {I guess all this come under a sales heading}. I > produce a music > television program, my official title, Music > Producer. I also am the > announcer (yes the Don Pardo of Louisiana JukeBox) > for the show. I am an > independent contractor for music, video, and tour > production (my clients > range from the likes of MTV (production of a Dave > Matthews video > special, stage manager); Regis and Kathie Lee Show > for Buenavista, stage > manager; NFL Films; Michael Franks, Tour Manager; > The Smithereens, > Tour/Road Manager/Guitar Tech; Glenn Frey/Joe Walsh, > guitar technician; > Michael Murphy Productions, Video Production VH1 > Concert Footage Sting, > Allen Toussaint, etc.; Webcast on Riffage.com; > Belmont Mills/Provident > Music Distribution, Stage Manager/Production Manager > for "He Chose The > Nails" video shoot. In freelance work that I do I am > very blessed to be > a part of many diverse artists and music, and it is > never boring work > because of the diversity. > I also am the President of the Ruth Paz Foundation > and I sit on the > Board of Directors of the International Hospital for > Children. > Thanks again for the chance to share my own work > life with you and to > learn about my fellow listers. > > Michael > > NPIMH-Where Have All The Lawyers Gone-(To the tune > of Where Have All the > Flowers Gone) (Hi Ron!) Thanks for the post on > Napster/Law/Etc. It is > nice to get more info from experts on the subject. > We have all kinds of > opinions here, but it's nice to have some "factes" > to refer to. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:50:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Aretha Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > Speaking of Aretha, did anyone catch the 100 > > greatest TV moments where she > > was singing opera? WOW- it made me weep. > > Is any of this available on a CD? That is something > I'd really love to hear! It is available on Ultimate Divas. It is played about 100 times a night at a local gay bar I hang out at. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:50:31 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) In a message dated 8/3/00 7:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, unusual & also sincere? >> What planet is this question from? I mean did Dennis Miller invent this combination. What pray tell is an 'ambitious' song. In an "I want to make money with this song" sense or "Im going to push the envelope production wise". marcel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:56:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Scottish Joni fans NJC welcome home, anna!!!! hope you enjoy the ride! wallyK > <> I can just see someone coming into the pharmacy handing you a prescription which reads: 10 mg of "Hejira" to be taken aurally 3 times daily until symptoms subside. CAUTION "Hejira" may be habit forming. ANY JM should not be mixed with Eminem as adverse reactions may occur :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:18:24 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Nucleus Nuance (NJC) After sleeping on it, I think perhaps my memory of the Nucleus' interior was slightly skewed. Actually, it may have been red walls with black leatherette on the seats. Joni's got the colors and their relative mix accurate though. CC "...to the garage to get it patched." -- JM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) Marcel responds in puzzlement to Relayer: > << Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, > unusual & also sincere? >> > > What planet is this question from? I mean did Dennis > Miller invent this > combination. What pray tell is an 'ambitious' song. > In an "I want to make > money with this song" sense or "Im going to push the > envelope production > wise". marcel Let me see if I can clarify this ... an "ambitious" song is one which sounds like no other song that has come before it -- it will be longer, use a variety and sequence of chords played from some other note than the root. It will also use a much higher number of instruments than "garden variety", "unusual" or "sincere" songs. Bruce Springsteen's early approach of "let's all play as fast as we can all at once" arrangements for the E-Street band pushed his work from the "unusual" into the "ambitious" department. "Unusual" songs are frequently mistaken for ambitious songs, as they share many of the same features ... but these are uniformly shorter in length ... nor must they require symphonic arrangements. A four-minute augmented minor 7th chord blues song is "unusual." A 17-minute augmented minor 7th chord blues song would, in fact be ambitious. "Sincere" songs are songs that don't even have to be good musically, so long as the lyrical content and vocal performance convey honesty. They say what they mean, and mean what they say -- which typically leaves all other issues of construction, arranging and ensemble size moot. Rush's 2112 -- for example, is the perfectly "ambitious and sincerely unusual" song. Hope this helps. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:12:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) In a message dated 8/3/00 12:50:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: << r "Im going to push the envelope production wise". marcel >> Not necessarily production, but ambitiousi n the sense that it breaks new ground musically, like Hendrix, Joni or the Beatles or others. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1904 23:39:30 +0000 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Napster Is that a cover of the Jerry Rafferty song? Paul I Negative. It was apparently and original of hers from an early album no longer available. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:31:38 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Men have no soul only egos *NJC* I have to agree with marcel on this one. this is funny! ...AND sexist! (not 'would be') how DARE you, whoever you are who denigrates men?! you should BE so lucky!!! pat ps - btw, thread should have been NJC long ago... NP: The American - Martin Sexton http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1904 23:55:04 +0000 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Survey (NJC) Catherine- I thought you'd never ask. Well let's see, Hang out with the kids, go fishing, hang out on the jmdl, collect music, play music, practice guitar and piano, movies, love to read (I am currently re reading the Joni Companion HI Stacy!), computer music, audio software for editing my immoral/illegal/unethical magnitude of music, play music and sing with the kids, yak on the phone, VG-8 programming, party (martinis), cooking for the family and friends. Well you get the picture. Best Michael Catherine wrote: "So Michael (Superman?) ... what do you do in your spare time?" - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Marilyn- > I think this is a very interesting thread, thank > you for doing it. I > fall into a couple of categories because of the > diversity of my work. I > do audio, video, and lighting production sales (for > concerts, tours, > festivals, conventions, etc.) sales of audio, video, > lighting for > permanent installation (churches, The New Orleans > Sports Arena, schools, > night clubs and restaurants, offices, anywhere > systems like this are > needed), sales to musicians, studios, project > studios, colleges, etc.) > {I guess all this come under a sales heading}. I > produce a music > television program, my official title, Music > Producer. I also am the > announcer (yes the Don Pardo of Louisiana JukeBox) > for the show. I am an > independent contractor for music, video, and tour > production (my clients > range from the likes of MTV (production of a Dave > Matthews video > special, stage manager); Regis and Kathie Lee Show > for Buenavista, stage > manager; NFL Films; Michael Franks, Tour Manager; > The Smithereens, > Tour/Road Manager/Guitar Tech; Glenn Frey/Joe Walsh, > guitar technician; > Michael Murphy Productions, Video Production VH1 > Concert Footage Sting, > Allen Toussaint, etc.; Webcast on Riffage.com; > Belmont Mills/Provident > Music Distribution, Stage Manager/Production Manager > for "He Chose The > Nails" video shoot. In freelance work that I do I am > very blessed to be > a part of many diverse artists and music, and it is > never boring work > because of the diversity. > I also am the President of the Ruth Paz Foundation > and I sit on the > Board of Directors of the International Hospital for > Children. > Thanks again for the chance to share my own work > life with you and to > learn about my fellow listers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:33:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Bleecker St. NJC Paul asked: <> Michael answered: <> Just for the record, the Jerry Rafferty tune was called "Baker St."...or maybe it was "I USED to be a BAKER St" LOL! Bob NP: Green Day, "Hitchin' A Ride" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Men with Passion (NJC) - --- Evan + Vanessa Thomson wrote: > I definitely have to disagree here... I abhor Yes > and in particular Anderson. His voice is painful > and very grating. I find no > colour or passion there. To my ear he sounds like > he's a cat and he's doing the rudey nudey! I just > dislike his voice, his > style and his delivery. I feel this way about Geddy > Lee from Rush but the difference is the I really > like Rush's music whilst I > dislike Yes's music. (Mind you, you're more than > welcome to like them, I've only met one other person > who feels this way about > Yes and Rush...) LOL! I've expressed similar feelings to Yes and Anderson, but held myself in check this time around (I'm trying *really hard* to be kind, but let me tell you, it's not easy for me!) On the other hand, I don't like Rush either! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:04:09 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Professions (NJC I am a "floater" librarian at the San Francisco Public Library...a different branch almost every day. DebM, was that you I saw in Library journal? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC(md) - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/00 7:20:28 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > Relayer211@aol.com writes: > > << Is there a Beatles song which is both ambitious, > unusual & also sincere? >> > > What planet is this question from? I mean did Dennis > Miller invent this > combination. What pray tell is an 'ambitious' song. > In an "I want to make > money with this song" sense or "Im going to push the > envelope production > wise". marcel ... which might make it an EGO song, which would nullify the "sincere" bit, n'est-ce pas? Would "ambitious" include anything with more than three chords, or with lyrics containing x-number of words over 2 syllables? I agree with Marcel - for once ;)It's kind of silly and it's all a matter of opinion and taste (or lack thereof, if you happen to disagree with the other person's choice.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Survey (NJC) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Catherine- > I thought you'd never ask. Well let's see, > Hang out with the kids, go fishing, hang out on the > jmdl, collect music, > play music, practice guitar and piano, movies, love > to read (I am > currently re reading the Joni Companion HI Stacy!), > computer music, > audio software for editing my > immoral/illegal/unethical magnitude of > music, play music and sing with the kids, yak on the > phone, VG-8 > programming, party (martinis), cooking for the > family and friends. Well > you get the picture. > > Best > > Michael > > > Catherine wrote: > "So Michael (Superman?) ... what do you do in your > spare time?" > Oh, you rotten swine, you! It's bad enough being a faceless, nameless bureaucrat without having it rubbed in, like salt to a festering wound, by the Martha Stewart of the jmdl - Mr Perfect himself! and yeesh, he likes kids too - he even HAS kids! So do I, but they'd rather practice farting noises than have family singalongs! Where did I go wrong? Is it genetic, or what? mumblemumble ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:16:44 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Men with Passion (NJC) >LOL! I've expressed similar feelings to Yes and >Anderson, but held myself in check this time around >(I'm trying *really hard* to be kind, but let me tell >you, it's not easy for me!) On the other hand, I >don't like Rush either! >===== >Catherine (in Toronto) >catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca Yes sucked. Rush was abysmal. Toto, Foreigner- heck, all pre-punk 70s bands with names not preceded by the word 'the' deserved to die. The only good 'progressive' rock not influenced by jazz was by Roxy Music. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:34:04 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Red Riding Hood oppresses Wolf (OT) >>> Red Riding Hood oppresses Wolf: >>> >>> There once was a young person named Little Red Riding Hood who lived >>> on the edge of a large forest full of endangered owls and rare plants >>> that would probably provide a cure for cancer if only someone took the >>> time to study them. >>> >>> Red Riding Hood lived with a nurture-giver whom she sometimes referred >>> to as "Mother," although she didn't mean to imply by this term that >>> she would have thought less of the person if a close biological link >>> did not, in fact, exist. >>> >>> Nor did she intend to denigrate the equal value of nontraditional >>> households, although she was sorry if this was the impression >>> conveyed. >>> >>> One day her mother asked her to take a basket of organically grown >>> fruit and mineral water to her grandmother's house. >>> >>> "But Mother, won't this be stealing work from the unionized people who >>> have struggled for years to earn the right to carry all packages >>> between various people in the woods?" >>> >>> Red Riding Hood's mother assured her that she had called the union >>> boss and gotten a special compassionate mission exemption form. >>> >>> "But, Mother, aren't you oppressing me by ordering me to do this?" >>> >>> Red Riding Hood's mother pointed out that it was impossible for women >>> to oppress each other, since all women were equally oppressed until >>> all women were free. >>> >>> "But, Mother, then shouldn't you have my brother carry the basket, >>> since he's an oppressor, and should learn what it's like to be >>> oppressed?" >>> >>> And Red Riding Hood's mother explained that her brother was attending >>> a special rally for animal rights, and besides, this wasn't >>> stereotypical women's work, but an empowering deed that would help >>> engender a feeling of community. >>> >>> "But won't I be oppressing Grandma, by implying that she's sick and >>> hence unable to independently further her own selfhood?" >>> >>> But Red Riding Hood's mother explained that her grandmother wasn't >>> actually sick or incapacitated or mentally handicapped in any way, >>> although that was not to imply that any of these conditions were >>> inferior to what some people called "health." >>> >>> Thus Red Riding Hood felt that she could get behind the idea of >>> delivering the basket to her grandmother, and so she set off. >>> >>> Many people believed that the forest was a foreboding and dangerous >>> place, but Red Riding Hood knew that this was an irrational fear based >>> on cultural paradigms instilled by a patriarchal society that regarded >>> the natural world as an exploitable resource, and hence believed that >>> natural predators were, in fact, intolerable competitors. >>> >>> Other people avoided the woods for fear of thieves and deviants, but >>> Red Riding Hood felt that, in a truly classless society, all >>> marginalized peoples would be able to "come out" of the woods and be >>> accepted as valid lifestyle role models. >>> >>> On her way to Grandma's house, Red Riding Hood passed a woodchopper, >>> and wandered off the path in order to examine some flowers. >>> >>> She was startled to find herself standing before a wolf, who asked her >>> what was in her basket. >>> >>> Red Riding Hood's teacher had warned her never to talk to strangers, >>> but she was confident in taking control of her own budding sexuality, >>> and chose to dialog with the wolf. >>> >>> She replied, "I am taking my grandmother some healthful snacks in a >>> gesture of solidarity." >>> >>> The wolf said, "You know, my dear, it isn't safe for a little girl to >>> walk through these woods alone." >>> >>> Red Riding Hood said, "I find your sexist remark offensive in the >>> extreme, but I will ignore it because of your traditional status as an >>> outcast from society, the stress of which has caused you to develop an >>> alternative and yet entirely valid worldview. Now, if you'll excuse >>> me, I would prefer to be on my way." >>> >>> Red Riding Hood returned to the main path, and proceeded toward her >>> grandmother's house. >>> >>> But because his status outside society had freed him from slavish >>> adherence to linear, Western-style thought, the Wolf knew of a quicker >>> route to Grandma's house. >>> >>> He burst into the house and ate Grandma, a course of action >>> affirmative of his nature as a predator. >>> >>> Then, unhampered by rigid, traditionalist gender-role notions, he put >>> on Grandma's nightclothes, crawled under the bedclothes, and awaited >>> developments. >>> >>> Red Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma, I have brought >>> you some cruelty-free snacks to salute you in your role of wise and >>> nurturing matriarch." >>> >>> The wolf said softly, "Come closer, child, so that I might see you." >>> >>> Red Riding Hood said, "Goodness! Grandma, what big eyes you have!" >>> >>> "You forget that I am optically challenged." >>> >>> "And Grandma, what an enormous - er - what a fine nose you have." >>> >>> "Naturally, I could have had it fixed to help my acting career, but I >>> didn't give in to such societal pressures, my child." >>> >>> "And Grandma, what very big, sharp teeth you have!" >>> >>> The wolf could not take any more of these specialist slurs, and, in a >>> reaction appropriate for his accustomed milieu, he leaped out of bed, >>> grabbed Little Red Riding Hood, and opened his jaws so wide that she >>> could see her poor grandmother cowering in his belly. >>> >>> "Aren't you forgetting something?" Red Riding Hood bravely shouted. >>> "You must request my permission before proceeding to a new level of >>> intimacy!" >>> >>> The wolf was so startled by this statement that he loosened his grasp >>> on her. >>> >>> At the same time, the woodchopper burst into the cottage, brandishing >>> an ax. >>> >>> "Hands off!" cried the woodchopper. >>> >>> "And what do you think you're doing?" cried Little Red Riding Hood. >>> "If I let you help me now, I would be expressing a lack of confidence >>> in my own abilities, which would lead to poor self-esteem and lower >>> achievement scores on college entrance exams." >>> >>> "Last chance, sister! Get your hands off that endangered species! This >>> is an FBI sting!" screamed the woodchopper, and when Little Red Riding >>> Hood nonetheless made a sudden motion, he sliced off her head. >>> >>> "Thank goodness you got here in time," said the wolf. "The brat and >>> her grandmother lured me in here. I thought I was a goner." >>> >>> "No, I think I'm the real victim, here," said the woodchopper. "I've >>> been dealing with my anger ever since I saw her picking those >>> protected flowers earlier. And now I'm going to have such a trauma. Do >>> you have any aspirin?" >>> >>> "Sure," said the wolf. >>> >>> "Thanks." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #432 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?