From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #417 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, July 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 417 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni collectors? ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) [RandyRemote ] Everybody Must Get Stoned [leslie@torchsongs.com] The Mayo Clinic or JoniFest (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joni on Dick Cavett [PPeterson4@aol.com] Northern Exposure NJC [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Dave Gertler ] Re: Stoned music (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Joni collectors? [Dave Gertler ] Re: Joni collectors? [Dave Gertler ] Mendel exhibit book [Deb Messling ] Re : 100 Greatest Rock & Roll TV Moments (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Janis Ian NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: response to Sue Cameron re: S&C BYT Animation ["Mark or Travis" ] Stonie Mitchell [Julian51469@aol.com] Joni Memorabilia [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC Cousin Herb and El Salado ["Joni Fan" ] Joni referances in "Sleeping in Seattle" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Painting with Words and Music - again [JRMCo1@aol.com] Dr Laura(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:59:04 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni collectors? Hello Dave I have started to collect posters. Being in the UK this is a lot harder than it sounds as everything I have is from the States bar one poster that was printed especially for an exhibition of her paintings here in London. So far: Chalkmark In A Rainstorm poster (large) Painting Poster (semi large) Mingus (large) Magazines and interviews from 1979 1988 1990 1991 1994 1998 1999 2000 I have never known the value of backstage passes of any artist so I have never bothered with them. They would mean something to me if I had actually been backstage but not otherwise.... I've shown you mine, now show me yours :-) Jamie Zoob Dave Gertler wrote: > Besides listening to and discussing her music, are > there many people on here who collect Joni > memorabilia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:32:20 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) I would consider hiring or at least talking to a private investigator who can help you identify this person. Their power over you lies in their anonyminity. Tell the Dean if you want, but s/he will probably not be a help in identifying this person. ps I tried sending this to you off list, it keeps coming back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:50:36 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Saving vinyl (update) NJC JEFF ARE YOU A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT????? what's done is done, my dear. i only have vinyl that has sentimental value to me, like the joni albums that were my mothers that i have now (most of them have sketches and drawings and notes that my mother wrote about tunings and such...), plus some old classics like cocteau twins 12" singles, and rem's chronic town. I would never give them away. i have friends, however, that have stacks upon stacks upon stacks of vinyl. it is most certainly an obsession for some. jeff, don't feel bad. if you really wanted to keep it, you probably would have. take care, alison - ---------- >From: Jeff Clark >I stopped by the Salvation Army today after work to check on my albums. When >contemplating the worth of old vinyl, the answer I know is in the heart, not >the marketplace. Given that, the Salvation Army says that Neil Young's "After >the Goldrush", vinyl, pretty good condition, is worth $.99, 3 for $1.99. I >bought it back. > >It was painful seeing my old albums there, ones that I once loved, sitting in >the basement with all the other unwanteds and castaways. For a while I wanted >to buy them all back. I hope as Bob said that someone buys them that will >appreciate and enjoy them. My advice: if you have vinyl, and you have room to >keep it--keep it. If you do decide to give them away, DON"T go back to look at >them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:38:33 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Makes 100 Greatest Rock & Roll TV Moments (long)(md) I dont know how they missed these because they were by far some of the most "shocking" things I can recall seeing years ago. 1) Leonard Bernstein did a documentary on music for Educational TV I believe (although it could have been a CBS documentary about music)and at the end he speaks to how music is a reflection of society. He proceedes to introduce "a young female singer from New York named Janis Ian" and she sings a song (title escapes me) about how she brings a black man home from a date and he kisses her on the front door. She did the song with just a 12 string guitar and sang it all the way through. For 1958 this was a huge deal and was commented on in the newspaper the next day. (2) One Friday night on the Jack Parr show in 1963 or 64 he had just returned from England. The Parr show was unique in that he had very famous people including the President and he would get very informal wih them. He was a precurser to the tonight show. Steve Allen replaced him and Johnny carson replaced Steve Allen. Anyway he had this little thing where he would often go on a vacation and make a home movie and then show it on his show when he got back. This particular night he says that he had just seen the most amazing thing when he went to England and a friend of his told him that he just had to see this rock and roll band that had this mania going on about it and he then shows films from a Beatles performance at the Cavern Club. The girls are of course coming totally unglued and to be honest for ther time it looked like they were having convulsions. I remember laying on the floor and my parents sitting in the big chairs and I turned around and they had these shocked expressions on their faces like really stunned. They had no idea what to make of this and Parr said they would be coming to America the following year. That summer their song Please Please Me made the radio for a very short period of time then disappeared. One year later the Beatle wave really hit. At school all my friends particularly the girls couldnt stop talking about this Parr Show appearance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: vinyl The last time I was in NYC I bought Court and Spark for $1 in mint condition on vinyl at an east village record store. I only play my vinyl version on special occasions!!! I'll be in California next May, are there any dates for more touring. I can't rest till I see her live you all know that!!! NP: This Mortal Coil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:06:15 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Makes 100 Greatest Rock & Roll TV Moments (long) > 4 SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE premieres -- Weekly live rock performances by > every established and breaking musical performers of the past 25 > years. Hmm... never having heard of Joni being on SNL, she must be unestablished and unbreaking. I've lost all love of her now. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:28:04 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Saving vinyl (NJC) Jeff wrote: <<(eg. Fairport Covention's first album (US) that I have been unable to find anywhere in the world-- has "Eastern Rain" on it -- anyone know if it's available?)>> Yes, it's been released (and should be easily available) on CD, under its original British title, _What We Did On Our Holidays_, and with different cover art. Has the most beautiful version ever of "She Moves Through the Fair" too.... - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:27:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Welcome (NJC) Hello Eric and welcome to the Joni list. I would be happy to provide you with some Joni shows and trees and there is a tree happening right now that you can contact the lovely and talented Bob Muller over there in South Carolina. Better hit Sam's Wholesale and get some blanks. Have a great time on the list. Michael (of the New Orleans listers) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Everybody Must Get Stoned I'll throw my two cents into this thread - flashback to my teenage years when I could afford to buy herb. Sharing the aromatic herb with my friends and listening to the Moody Blues, Donovan and the Beatles. Those were the days my friends... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:44:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The Mayo Clinic or JoniFest (NJC) Hello All- My dad has been at the Mayo Clinic with my sister getting tests and they had decided to do an Angioplasti sp? on him this morning. Before they could begin the procedure the doctor informed them that another test had come back and they discovered a large tumor on his kidney. They will do the angio procedure tomorrow and decide what to do next. It looks as thought they think surgery is the best path and that would happen in about two weeks. He is 83 years old and in pretty bad shape physically, but I figure he has made it this far, he has a pretty good chance. Seeing how he was told he was gonna die about 30 years ago, I think he is doing ok. Besides only the good die young! It looks as though I may have to go to Minnesota, so regretfully my JoniFest plans are on hold. We should know some better info in the next few days and promise to keep you informed so I can pass on the FTR songs I was going to participate in. I am still planning to call Atty May tonight to advance the festivities for Sunday Sept. 3 evening concert/drinkandeatathon. I will let you guys know. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:52:29 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Joni on Dick Cavett 87 GRACE SLICK, CROSBY, STILLS & NASH, JONI MITCHELL and others fresh from Woodstock appear on THE DICK CAVETT SHOW. Has everyone seen this? I can't remember where it was shown - sometime in the last few years on cable - but it's really amazing. It's the appearance that Joni stayed in NYC for and skipped Woodstock. She's such a kid! It's quite a little time capsule. She performs, too. I think "Fiddler and the Drum". Probably on one of those tape trees that went around before I joined the list. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:01:21 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Northern Exposure NJC It's nice discovering that people on the list (and even Joni herself) love that show. It really was special, but no one I know personally was much into it. It was one of a kind. I think it's still running on one of the cable channels. If you've never seen it, check it out. It's funny and moving and wise in a way that television never was before and never has been since. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:01:36 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > > When Northern Exposure went off the air, I unplugged my TV and put it in a > closet. > > I bring it out to watch movies. > > It lost its programming for channels and I have no desire to re-program it. > Why would I re-program? To watch the local newscasters make inane > "off-the-cuff" comments about the changing of the seasons? Please. Stop > the madness. Unplug. I know how much a favorite show can be missed. Still, once in a while another show comes along that makes a TV set worthwhile. Usually, of course, it gets canceled in its first season ... (I am referring here to the late GREAT _Freaks and Geeks_, though the older _My So-Called Life_ fits the bill as well.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:40:20 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Joni collectors? > Besides listening to and discussing her music, are > there many people on here who collect Joni > memorabilia? > Dave Gertler Assorted mag. articles, promo poster of hits & misses, t-shirts from concerts, ticket stubs, an occasional visit to the rock hall (I live in Cleveland), a coffee cup from the BSN concert, bootleg CD and a daughter named Joni. Plus my own paintings of Joni. I keep explaining to my husband that there really are you people out there that are just as obsessed as I and many who have me beat! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:45:34 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Stoned music (NJC) > > AAAhhhhhhhh, White Bird! > > "White Bird in a golden cage on a winter's day in the rain. . . > > white bird must fly or she will die" > Nice album cover too. I'd like to have that girl on a hill in a breeze image > on a tee-shirt. > > Peg I paid $25 and had to order that CD! AHHHH the good old days! "there's a girl in my room with her face on the wall with no eyes...." Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:49:36 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: Joni collectors? M & C Urbanski wrote: > Assorted mag. articles, promo poster of hits & misses, t-shirts from > concerts, ticket stubs, an occasional visit to the rock hall (I live in > Cleveland), a coffee cup from the BSN concert, bootleg CD and a daughter > named Joni. Plus my own paintings of Joni. > > I keep explaining to my husband that there really are you people out there > that are just as obsessed as I and many who have me beat! > > Marilyn Er, just for the record, Marilyn, I'm NOT as obsessed as you! ;-) I have half a dozen magazines with articles about her (half of them have her on the cover), plus a couple of backstage passes. I also have my own ticket stubs from her final BSN concert. However, I don't drink coffee, I haven't been to the Rock Hall, and my daughter's name is Sarah! Cheers, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:49:14 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: Joni collectors? Jamie Zubairi wrote: > [...] > I've shown you mine, now show me yours :-) > > Jamie Zoob Jamie, Thanks for your note -- glad to know I'm not alone in this enterprise! I don't have any posters yet -- I don't like the one for _Both Sides Now_, and I keep seeing the other ones on eBay get bid out of my reach. I have a handful of magazines, including a _Time_ from 1974 (with Joni on the cover) and a _Chatelaine_ from 1969 (with a VERY YOUNG Joni on the cover!). The second dumbest thing I did today was to let a piece of tape come in contact with the _Chatelaine_ cover; it peeled off a tiny bit of the picture. [The dumbest thing I did today was to stand up suddenly in our basement, when I was underneath a low-hanging ventilation pipe -- knocked me straight onto the floor, it did!] I have backstage passes from 1983 and from the taping of the recent TNT television special. I know what you mean about not having value if you weren't there, but somehow they got a hold on me anyway. I've tried to buy videotapes of some old performances, but again the bidding becomes "too rich for my blood." This hobby is starting to run into some semi-significant money, so I'm beginning to auction off some of my old chess books and magazines -- that means I must really be SERIOUS about collecting Joni! ;-) Looking forward to hearing of others who share our hobby ... Dave Gertler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:09:48 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Mendel exhibit book I received the "Voices" book in today's mail. It's truly beautiful, and includes interesting commentary by Mendel curator Gilles Hébert,Amy Adler, who curated the LACE show, and Joni herself. As far as I can tell, it's still availabe via the Mendel website at http://www.mendel.saskatoon.sk.ca/ Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:10:15 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re : 100 Greatest Rock & Roll TV Moments (NJC) Did anyone notice that every single one of the greatest "Rock & Roll TV Moments" happened in America ;-) BTW My Greatest Rock & Roll TV moment was seeing AC-DC on "Countdown". The group was on the back of a truck being driven through the streets of Melbourne playing "It's a long way to the top". Bon Scott was playing bagpipes :-) Anyone outside the US want to submit some more "Rock & Roll TV Greatest Moments" ?? Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:16:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis Ian NJC In a message dated 7/26/00 6:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << He proceedes to introduce "a young female singer from New York named Janis Ian" and she sings a song (title escapes me) about how she brings a black man home from a date and he kisses her on the front door. She did the song with just a 12 string guitar and sang it all the way through. For 1958 this was a huge deal and was commented on in the newspaper the next day. >> That song must have been "Society's Child," but are you saure it was 1958? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:34:24 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis Ian NJC IVPAUL writes: That song must have been "Society's Child," but are you saure it was 1958? - --- Janis Ian is about my age and would have been about 5 in 1958. I remember seeing that show when it originally aired, so I'm guessing 1968 is correct, and approximately the time "Society's Child" was a hit. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:45:39 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: response to Sue Cameron re: S&C BYT Animation Sue, Actually it didn't look much like Yellow Submarine. If memory serves me, it was devoid of color and was finely detailed B/W line drawing. Perhaps I was still watching on (horrors!) a black and white TV. Since I was a 12 year old when it aired, I must admit my jaw dropped at the depiction of Cher's breasts. You could just imagine what other parts of me were up to. CC "Oh, I talk too loose..." -- JM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:50:46 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Dr. Junk & Others Hello All, Thanks for the outpuring of possibilities in finding the missing tunes...but I still have a few more to go.... A Melody In Your Name, Jeremy, Cara's Castle, and Straw Flower Me, Born to Take the Highway,Daisy Summer Piper, Day After Day, Endless Summer, Free Darling, Gemini Twin, Here Today Gone Tomorrow, I Won't Cry, Julie's Mom, Kelly, Blue on Blue, Born to Take the Highway, Ballad in Blue, Lazy Summer, Little David, Midnight Cowboy Song, Moon in the Mirror, Poor Sad Baby, Song to a Daydreamer, What Will You Give Me, Who Has Seen the Wind, and The Wizard of Is (whew) ...I have: Ballerina Valerie (Coke Commercial), Winter Lady, The Way It Is, Mister Blue, The London Bridge Song, Just Like Me, Hunter ( The Good Samaritan), go Tell the Drummer Man, The Gift of the Magi, Eastern Rain, Come to the Sunshine, Carnival in Kenora, and Brandy Eyes. My goal is to make a compilation for all to share...maybe there is something out there already like this. This is a huge undertaking, I understand...this is like hunting down a dinner party's worth of holy grails. The final product will give us another facet in this beautiful gem of Joni understanding. Thanks for all of your time. Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:06:12 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Cousin Herb and El Salado We've been chatting about drugs... and many of us, myself included, have indulged in these humorous posts (and our drug stories) since it has been a part of our generations and cultures. Hey, I did my share and more. And for all the suggestions about listening to music while stoned, to which I contributed, I am amazed that no one came up with Firesign Theatre - not music, but didn't they make more sense when you were in the post-inhale pre-munchie stage? And they were funny even when one wasn't high, too! The first family event that I took my grandson to was the funeral of my cousin Herb, age 50, never recovered from the drugs, it was too strong for him, I remember him buzzed on coke at his grandmother's funeral (the grandmother of his that we didn't share) and maybe he was stoned at the funeral of the grandmother we did share. He definitely was trashed at my mother's wake and was unable to attend the funeral. He meant to show his love and respect but the pain was too much (my mom was always good to him; she knew, and didn't judge, as I don't) and he said while very drugged at my Mom's wake, "how could you get through that? I can't." And then he was gone. I never saw him again. He was user as we all began, in the late 60s early 70s. His was an addiction that was stronger than he was. That is not a moral judgment; Herb just couldn't fight off the addiction. There are some DNA or genetic reasons for that, I am sure. Knowing that didn't save Herb. Nor Herb's wife, Rhonda, who died of an overdose when her and Herb's children were small. I don't know if Danielle remembers her mother. I know that Steve remembers his father as a drunk and a druggie. I know that these children, loving raised by others in our family, have a pain that is so deep to have lost both parents to drugs ... when I hear people make little jokes about drugs and say it isn't addictive or a problem, I think of Danielle and Steve and cousin Herb and Rhonda. Herb's brother, my cousin Jim, had to fight the drugs so badly. He gripped him but unlike Herb he was able to lick it... by becoming addicted to religion, it is the only thing that keeps him strong enough to fight the cravings he has. So my beloved cousin is a right wing fundie who believes things that separate us from each other, and I have to say that that is good, because it keeps him off the drugs that killed his brother, and Jim needs that: I smashed his heroin kits too many times. I know how he craves. Drugs are harmless fun? No. Drugs are evil bad killers? No. It is a matter of body chemistry. I have done shit that my cousin Herb would have died for, in fact, did die for... and I have walked away without the slightest problem. Now quitting smoking tobacco was the ordeal from hell for me, but I could and did walk away from illegal substances without a glance back. My cousin Jim gave up smoking in one day but still craves the drugs. Same with alcohol for me. I can take it or leave it so I leave it. Others are addicted. It is a matter of body chemistry. I was lucky. Herb and Jim and Rhonda were not. A matter of genetics, dna, the individual body chemistry, the physiological makeup of ourselves over which we have no control. I will not glibly condemn drugs - it is not a moral issue, it is a addictive issue - and I cannot just ignore all the glory with which we have nostalgia for drugs either. Some people never came out of the 60s, never survived. Meanwhile the drug cartels kill and kill and kill... the mass graves found a few months ago on the US/Mexican border.... and I have just read of a massacre of at least 36 Colombian peasants this month in one village by Colombian paramilitary. These are also victims of the drug wars. These people die so that Americans can have drugs. And this month a new 1.3 billion aid package is going to the Colombian armed forces and police who observed the paramilitary massacring the El Salado victims from the outskirts of town and did not intervene. Yet I favor legalization only so that we can plunge the dollars we waste on the drug wars into treatment programs. Our jails should not be filled with drug users; we should be building treatment centers, not jails. I have worked in foster care, dealing with the children of crack wrecked families, helped find homes for crack babies... we need, IMHO, to decriminalize so that we can more easily help those who need it. I also favor legalization because it does have medical benefits, and I don't believe in criminalizing dependencies. Yes, I make the little jokes. I did what everyone else did. But when we celebrate the drugs too much, we have to remember the other side. Just as we raise our voices when the draconian puritans lecture. Tomorrow I will return to trying to help rescue from forfeiture laws a house that a couple are in danger of losing because they had 24 mj plants in the basement. I think the forfeiture laws are obscene power grabs by the government, especially in cases like this. Sorry to lecture. Life is just so much more complex that "hey, let's get high, its so cool" and "smoke one joint and next you'll be on heroin, reefer madness!" The drug war is a joke and an macho posture for politicians who want to show they are tough on something... and I blame the public who vote for people who pander this way. But drugs are not per se harmless. They are not per se harmful. I bet that we here in the JMDL are the lucky ones without the genetic code that causes drugs to be the addiction that cannot be conquered. Certainly when cousin Herb had that first toke, he never envisioned the path that lay ahead of him. My first joint... meant no major life changes. Two of our grandparents were the same people. Why him, why not me... it keeps me from being glib on either side of the issue. In fact there are no sides. It is a huge complexity that we have to look at without the politics and approach instead from the need to address the things that cause us to want to escape reality, and addiction issues. I shut up now. Except to also now mourn the 36+ victims of the drug war in El Salado, Colombia. The 15 July Chicago Tribune (which I just read today) says the victim ranged in age from a 6 year old girl to an elderly woman, 16 killed on the town's basketball court, some tortured and shot, others stabbed or beaten to death, others strangled. When will we ever learn? Oh, when will we ever learn? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:08:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Janis Ian NJC > IVPAUL writes: > > That song must have been "Society's Child," but are you saure it was 1958? > > --- > > Janis Ian is about my age and would have been about 5 in 1958. I remember > seeing that show when it originally aired, so I'm guessing 1968 is correct, > and approximately the time "Society's Child" was a hit. And didn't Johnny Carson replace Jack Paar who replaced Steve Allen. I remember the Jack Paar show & I'm sure that Johnny took it over as The Tonight Show after Paar left. I was hoping the Jefferson Airplane's performance on The Smothers Brothers Show would be on there somewhere. I've never seen it but I've read in more than one place that Grace Slick did the show in black-face. The reason for this, only Grace knows. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:11:48 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: response to Sue Cameron re: S&C BYT Animation > Sue, > Actually it didn't look much like Yellow Submarine. If memory serves me, it > was devoid of color and was finely detailed B/W line drawing. Perhaps I was > still watching on (horrors!) a black and white TV. Since I was a 12 year > old when it aired, I must admit my jaw dropped at the depiction of Cher's > breasts. You could just imagine what other parts of me were up to. I remember seeing this cartoon. I'm almost positive it was in color. And if I recall, the Sonny cartoon was in the buff too. Kinda like Adam & Eve in the Garden. They also did one to the theme from 'Billy Jack' - 'One Tin Soldier' I believe was the name of that song. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:16:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Saving vinyl (update) NJC In a message dated 7/26/2000 6:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jclarknyc@netscape.net writes: << It was painful seeing my old albums there, ones that I once loved, sitting in the basement with all the other unwanteds and castaways. For a while I wanted to buy them all back. I hope as Bob said that someone buys them that will appreciate and enjoy them. My advice: if you have vinyl, and you have room to keep it--keep it. If you do decide to give them away, DON"T go back to look at them. Jeff >> Well I must say I do agree with you. Fortunately I have space for my vinyl. There is nothing like a nice size album cover to look at and really see all the awesome artwork. I have some extreamly rare LP's as well. These will either be buried with me or hoepfully sold to an intelligent collector and knows the value of a good LP!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:48:28 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 2 more greatest moments not making the top one hundred (md) 1) Queens performance at Live Aid. I will never forget Freddie Mercury doing an incredible version of Radio Ga Ga. 2) Ricky Lee Jones drunk off her rear slurring all her lyrics into an indistinguishable blur during her performance on Saturday Night Live and then collapsing into the arms of another performer as the final credits roll. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:15:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC - "Society's Child" lyrics I found this about Janis Ian on the Internet: Born in 1951, Janis Ian burst on he scene at age 15 with her controversial saga of interracial love "Society's Child." Self-penned and arranged, it topped the charts and created a storm of discussion that featured Ian on The Tonight Show and in Life, Look, Time and Newsweek. Her debut album, 1967's Janis Ian, garnered her the first of her nine Grammy nominations to date... - --- So, if she "burst on the scene at age 15" and was born in '51, that means the date of her appearance with Bernstein must have been '66. I just did a search for the lyrics. Here they are: Janis Ian, Society's Child Come to my door, baby, Face is clean and shining black as night. My mother went to answer you know That you looked so fine. Now I could understand your tears and your shame, She called you "boy" instead of your name. When she wouldn't let you inside, When she turned and said "But honey, he's not our kind." She says I can't see you any more, baby, Can't see you anymore. Walk me down to school, baby, Everybody's acting deaf and blind. Until they turn and say, "Why don't you stick to your own kind." My teachers all laugh, their smirking stares, Cutting deep down in our affairs. Preachers of equality, They say believe it, Then why won't they just let us be? They say I can't see you anymore baby, Can't see you anymore. One of these days I'm gonna stop my listening, Gonna raise my head up high. One of these days I'm gonna raise up my glistening wings and fly. But that day will have to wait for a while. Baby I'm only society's child. When we're older things may change, But for now this is the way they must remain. I say I can't see you anymore baby, Can't see you anymore. No, I don't want to see you anymore, baby. Even though I grew up in a liberal Massachusetts town (next to Cambridge), when Janis Ian sang "Society's Child" on TV back then, it was controversial. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:14:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: 1000 Marbles NJC Hello List- My pal Susan (from LA) sent me this and it made me all teary eyed. You see dear old mom use to be a ham radio operator (HR2RP) and I loved to listen to her on the radio making phone patches and helping people. It was what got her started in "her work" helping children. When she passed I checked into a couple of her old haunts (to let them know about her passing) on what is called "nets", which was kinda like an audio "list". People would check in there to meet friends or pass traffic or help people place phone calls to family overseas or on the high seas (Martine Mobiles), or to just visit. Mom was a net control on a couple of the nets and was a very popular voice that was silenced too early. Anyways the story is a sweet one and it hit real close to home for me in alot of ways. Hope you all enjoy it. 73's, Michael NP-The Kids Protesting Bedtime-All My Children The older I get, the more I enjoy Saturday mornings. Perhaps it's the quiet solitude that comes with being the first to rise, or maybe it's the unbounded joy of not having to be at work. Either way, the first few hours of a Saturday morning are most enjoyable. A few weeks ago I was shuffling toward the basement with a steaming cup of coffee in one hand and the morning paper in the other. What began as a typical Saturday morning, turned into one of those lessons that life seems to hand you from time to time. I turned the dial up on my ham radio in order to listen to a Saturday morning swap net. Along the way I came across an older sounding chap with a tremendous signal and a golden voice. You know the kind, he sounded like he should be in the broadcasting business. He was telling whoever he was talking with something about "a thousand marbles". I was intrigued and stopped to listen to what he had to say. "Well, Tom, it sure sounds like you're busy with your job. I'm sure they pay you well, but it's a shame you have to be away from home and your family so much. Hard to believe a young fellow should have to work sixty or seventy hours a week to make ends meet. Too bad you missed your daughter's dance recital." He continued, "Let me tell you something, Tom, something that has helped me keep a good perspective on my own priorities." And that's when he began to explain his theory of a "thousand marbles". "You see, I sat down one day and did a little arithmetic. The average person lives about seventy-five years. I know, some live more and some live less, but on average, folks live about seventy-five years. Now then, I multiplied 75 times 52 and I came up with 3900 which is the number of Saturdays that the average person has in their entire lifetime. Now stick with me, Tom, I'm getting to the important part. It took me until I was fifty-five years old to think about all this in any detail", he went on, "and by that time I had lived through over twenty-eight hundred Saturdays." "I got to thinking that if I lived to be seventy-five, I only had about a thousand of them left to enjoy. So I went to a toy store and bought every single marble they had. I ended up having to visit three toy stores to round-up 1000 marbles. I took them home and put them inside of a large, clear plastic container right here next to my gear. Every Saturday since then I have taken one marble out and thrown it away. I found that by watching the marbles diminish, I focused more on the really important things in life. "There is nothing like watching your time here on this earth run out to help get your priorities straight. Now let me tell you one last thing before I sign-off with you and take my lovely wife out for breakfast." "This morning I took the very last marble out of the container. I figure if I make it until next Saturday, then I have been given a little extra time. And the one thing we can all use is a little more time. It was nice to meet you Tom, I hope you spend more time with your family, and I hope to meet you again here on the band. 73's Old Man,this is K9NZQ, clear and going QRT, good morning!" You could have heard a pin drop on the band when this fellow signed off. I had planned to work on the antenna that morning, and then I was going to meet up with a few hams to work on the next club newsletter. Instead, I went upstairs and woke my wife up with a kiss. "C'mon honey, I'm taking you and the kids to breakfast." "What brought this on?" she asked with a smile. "Oh, nothing special, it's just been a long time since we spent a Saturday together with the kids. Hey, can we stop at a toy store while we're out? I need to buy some marbles." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:26:53 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Stonie Mitchell Just thought I'd put my two cents worth... Yes!!! Joni is fantastic when you're stoned....and when you're making love, when you're going for a hike or a drive or a nap. Joni is great when you're in the supermarket or the skating rink. I love hearing Joni in my head when I'm alone at the bar, waiting for someone at a neutral cafe, when I've been going in circles, when I get back to the Garden, when I wonder if so and so has fixed the heater in their car, and when I look at parallel vapor trails in the sky. But most of all I love to listen to Joni when I'm cooking and washing dishes because that is when and where I first heard Ms. Mitchell back around 1974...to Court and Spark....and then every kitchen that I've ever worked in since then....If the kitchen ithe heart of a home then Joni is the heart of my kitchen. Put that in your pipe and smoke it (and take some notes so you don't forget what you saw and felt;-) Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:29:01 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni Memorabilia I just started a collection in the past few years. This is what I have so far: Complete Poems and Lyrics signed by Wally Breese Signed Taming the Tiger Litho Ticket stubs from TNT taping, MSG concerts 1998 & 2000 concert Tee shirts Clouds vinyl Poster from TNT taping (that I literally tore down from the wall) BSN Program. Photographs I took I'm still waiting for my "voices" catalogue and poster There is someone on Yahoo auctions selling lots of Joni Stuff. Just type her name in the search box. Don't try to outbid me though. :~D oh and the banana peel she left at the TNT taping (just kidding Bob) LOL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:41:52 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: NJC Cousin Herb and El Salado Between black and white are a million shades of grey. To have only shown the "hey man, getting stoned is cool" viewpoint on JMDL would be as sad as saying "drugs are the devil's tools." Most "drugs" have a place in life, it is a matter of balance. Everything has a potential for addiction. Food, morphine, pot and smoking, for instance. Toss in religion for good measure. For ME, Give me food . . . when I need it and that occasional feast Give me morphine . . . only when the pain is so very bad Give me pot . . . when I need it medically Give me cigarettes . . . only when I was a young kid trying to look cool I can die from any of them in excess and/or wrong choices (i.e., stoned and driving). So when someone picks up a fork, a joint, a needle or a pack of cigs . . . they need to know what the consequences of "too much" are. To choose to live fully, live blindly or simply die . . . and all those millions of shades in between. One also needs to know that "choice" is taken away once the addiction takes over. Worse yet, it may not even be clear to that individual that they are addicted at all. Yes, the matter of chemistry plays a large part, Vince. But in many cases, one can choose not to play a game of Russian Roulette in the first place if ones chemistry is or is not vulnerable. Your post was one of the most touching and heartbreaking that I have read in a long time. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. One of the things that has impressed me the most about the JMDL is the range of ages. We do have teenagers and young adults that have either not started drugs, or tried it once, or perhaps are fully involved. It would sadden me if all our "getting stoned" posts were of the "hey man, getting stoned is cool" nature. Your post, Vince, has certainly broadened my understanding through your experiences! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:35:06 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni referances in "Sleeping in Seattle" Did anyone notice the Joni referances in the Meg Ryan-Tom Hanks movie,"Sleeping in seattle"?the movie came out in 1998,or 1999,I think. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:49:21 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music - again Les of London writes: << it is with some regret that I find it very hard to like PWWAM. >> Truth be told, I found PWWAM somewhat sterile, relatively. May I suggest you avail yourself of a live video treatment, like _Shadows & Light_ if you haven't already? Or there's video out there of Joni at Woodstock doing many of the same tunes last year without the heavy-handed post-production (sorry Joan...I still love you with all my heart, but...). I'm sure Painting was absolutely transcendent if one happened to be fortunate enough to be there for the taping, mind you. I really dig the S&L video though. I'm still somewhat bitter about the fact that Joni doesn't play dulcimer and piano and acoustic guitar anymore, so maybe I'm projecting that a bit onto PWWAM. If so, apologies: my bad. It's just that I was watching the "Isle of Wight" video CD on my laptop on the ferry home from work today. It gave me chills to see and hear Joni sing and play "Woodstock" on piano. I daydreamed that if one of those mythical sirens had a voice like Joni's, this enchanted sailor would gladly set a course to go crashing into her arms. So sweet and high. She exudes a purity of soul and timeless innocense in that film that is so apropos of the song. And the sweet expressions on her face during those close-ups. Help me. I love her so. - -Julius np: Macy Gray "I Try" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:58:50 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Dr Laura(NJC) What does everyone think about that awful,creepy,hypocritical jerk,Dr.Laura?I'ts pretty sad that she's so popular.It' s also very sad that Bush will be the next president in less then 6 months... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #417 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?