From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #415 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 415 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC ["Peg Eves" ] Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC [Don Rowe ] RE: listening to joni when... the sixties ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) ["Kakki" ] Another Joni mention from Stereophile [Jerry Notaro ] My first post: Joni's first hold on me ["Van Metre, Gordon" ] Re: Joni reference in Stephen King novel ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Murphycopy@aol.com] hell has a big day (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC ["Kakki" ] A "Hello" and my Joni experience ["Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC was Magic Carpet Ride by The Who. > > Steppenwolf . Peg > ----- > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > The very first song I heard stoned was Magic Carpet > Ride by The Who. That must have been some pretty primo stuff ... I always thought "Magic Carpet Ride" was by Steppenwolf! Or was it "Magic Bus" -- I never could keep those two straight even when I was sober! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:11:05 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: listening to joni when... the sixties > The 60's were a wonderful time... a delightful time to be alive. > Bruce > > >) I loved the 60s then and now and hold > many wonderful > >memories of them and the times I had. Rose-colored > >glasses? - I don't care - much everlasting good came out of that decade. > > > >Kakki > >I second that emotion. The time of the inception of all that heavy music (and it's messages) was a sparkling time in eternity. It was a phenomenon. A flood, a hurricane. I have so many pictures in my mind of moments in that time - and the SOUNDS!! (And Yes to Jonatha Brooke - I saw The Story probable 4 years ago now, but they(she) were(was) very powerful!! Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: B > Merrill > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:18 PM > To: Kakki; Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL - June 98 > Subject: Re: listening to joni when... the sixties > > > >NP: Jonatha Brooke live in N.J. 6/4/00 - So Much Mine > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:39:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC > > the thing is a whole lot of 'addiction' to drugs > really is no such thing but instead a simple, if > ill conceived, escape from the fact that, for > that individual, for some reason or another, > (there are many) life sucks. therefore, in their > perception, a case of beer, a joint, etc. is the > only way life can be acceptable. > of course what is needed is to deal with the > issues so life itself can be better but also, of > course, this is precicely what this form of > escape prevents cause you can't and won't deal > with *shit* when you are stoned! > I agree-but add that some substances are physically addictive-no doubt about it. Including some prescriptuion stuff like Valium which can be horrendous to get off even when they have been taken exactly as prescribed.# My experience with marijuana was that it enabled me to think for the first time in life about my life-ina detached way. As a result, i began to see quite clearly what the problems were and how screwed I was. Trouble was, i couldn't find the help i needed(psychiatry was of no use-they jujust offered meds and I preferred my own meds!) and couldn't deal with it on my own. Luckily for me, i did eventually find the right help, quit smoking once I knew I could go thru the hell, supported, and come out the other side. I had the same person avavilable 24/7 for 5 years. When at 3 am I was in the grips of abject fear and grief, they were there to see me thru it. Not everyone is so lucky. (Groups are not always the best way-they are made up of people at various stages of recovery and are not best equipped to deal with some of the shit a person goes thru and in fact can cause more harm than good.) Yes, drugs(inc drink) are often a way of avoiduing feeling but sometimes there is not another option available at a given time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:33 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC At 12:21 PM 7/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > >--- Jerry Notaro wrote: >> The very first song I heard stoned was Magic Carpet >> Ride by The Who. > >That must have been some pretty primo stuff ... I >always thought "Magic Carpet Ride" was by Steppenwolf! >Or was it "Magic Bus" -- I never could keep those two >straight even when I was sober! ;-D > >Don Rowe > >===== >"I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." > >-- Shelby Foote > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail ­ Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:11:42 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC >--- Jerry Notaro wrote: >> The very first song I heard stoned was Magic Carpet >> Ride by The Who. > >That must have been some pretty primo stuff ... I >always thought "Magic Carpet Ride" was by Steppenwolf! >Or was it "Magic Bus" -- I never could keep those two >straight even when I was sober! ;-D >Don Rowe 'Steppenwolf' was by Hesse. 'Magic Bus' was a movie with Keannu Reeves and Sandra Bullock - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:25:40 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Stalk Talks, NJC Joseph, Being stalked is a serious event. Far too serious to be asking advice from JMDL. In your missive you keep stating that you haven't gone to the Dean yet. It seems to me that you already KNOW that that is your next move. And the police. Good luck. Please keep us informed! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:22:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) Joseph, I know how terrible and traumatic being stalked can be and really feel for you. I've also had experience with a couple of what I cann "minor" stalkers and one "major" stalker a few years ago. Although the "major" stalker stopped targeting me awhile ago, I still have some post-traumatic stress from that experience to this day. What you describe sounds serious and needs to be handled carefully. While I agree with others that it is important to assert your control over the situation and not let the stalker use intimidation to keep you victimized, you have to be very careful in how you "out" the stalker, because confrontation and exposure often aggravates and make the situation worse. You should definitely, however, make a report to the appropriate people at the university. Also, please try to get and read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker. That book did more to help me than anything else. de Becker is a private investigator and one of the top security experts in the world. He handles most all the cases involving both celebrities and others who are stalked. He has seen it all and has brilliant insight into the psychology of stalkers and how best to handle them. I cannot recommend this book for you strongly enough. I'm sorry you are going through this and hope the situation can be positively resolved very soon. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:36:36 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Many Threads To Cross(SJC) > Lori wrote > > I am SO stoked ... this coming Thursday, July 27, I > get to see/hear Jonatha open for Joan Armatrading (my > longtime #2) at Wolf Trap in VA! Mary and I have > seats in Row U -- not as close as I'd like, but I > ain't complaining! Anyone else from the JMDL going? > Well Lori and fellow Joan Armatrading fans, I just saw Joan last week Thursday and I have only one wish ... that her concert was still coming rather than here and gone. She is the sweetest soul and she was fabulous! Good thing green is my favorite color cause I am turning green with envy that you will see her soon Lori. Besides promoting Jonatha, who I don't know much of - yet, those in the world who still have not turned onto Ms. Armatrading there is just one thing I have to say - DO IT! > "P. Henry" wrote: > all I can say is that few Americans realize just > > how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... > > REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! > So is Brittany Spears - now, does that mean we should drop our artistic ethics and values and except them as anything but POP stars? I think not. I myself occasionally dig hearing some of their (ABBA) stuff in a nostalgic kind of situation but - I have my limits and my standards. ( see my nose WAY up in the air?) Julius wrote: I was high as a Georgia pine when I heard Blue for the first time in college. I cried, cause it was all too beautiful. Still is. Still is. Hey Julius and all of the rest enjoying this thread. Others, please don't judge us , this is just an in fun question But I, who still do part take at the ripe old age of 43 ( just turned today, first time I had to actually say it), feel it is not better or worse, it's just different. More often in fact, I am not stoned where music is concerned. But when I was 13 and "Blue" came out, I was just beginning my life long relationship with grass. I would not give up those memories for anything! Still toking after all these years! Just in case my short term memory deceives me now BLUE is my number one Joni album. Followed by For The Roses, Hejira, Court & Spark and Ladies of the Canyon. If this has changed from anything I have posted before, don't tell me cause next week it may be different still. Close runners up HOSL & Night Ride Home. Uh-oh I better go I feel a mood swing comin' on Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Another Joni mention from Stereophile In a speaker review: A naive listener would be tempted to ascribe such faults to the speaker, not the recording. But when I put on one of the best modern recordings to plow the same musical furrow as Ferry - Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now (Reprise 4762902), this magazine's "Recording of the Month" for April 2000 - the presence of recording and balance engineers with skill and musical taste was also readily laid bare by the little Dynaudios. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:16:08 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni in the Projects Dunno about that one. But I can report that BYT is still pumping life into today's animation. A week ago my two young sons invited me to join them in a some current claymation show about black ghetto life. Called "PJ's" maybe? The topic: A muscled white wrestler-politcian, obviously based upon Jesse V, was going to demolish the rundown housing project & install a big new mega-structure. But our hero would have none of it, and at one point, to add some poignancy to his position, quipped, "Tear down paradise and put up a parking lot, huh?!" Said in a cartoony ghetto style. Everybody digs "our Joni." Bruce At 02:51 PM 07/25/2000 GMT, c Karma wrote: >I don't know if this will help remove the thought of so heinous an image as >Joni appearing in even one frame of film with such a banal situation as The >Brady Bunch, but I'd rather seek to see a rebroadcast of the animated >version of "Big Yellow Taxi" that appeared on "The Sonny and Cher Show" >sometime in 1970 or '71. In this wonderfully free spirited animation, a >nude Cher is seen being awakened by bulldozers, and spends much of the song >fleeing the rape of the planet. Does anyone know if this is available on >videotape? > >CC > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:01:51 -0500 From: "Van Metre, Gordon" Subject: My first post: Joni's first hold on me Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 and a friend knew the kind of music I liked and asked if I like Joni. I said, "Who?" and he said, "You know: Help me I think I'm fallin..." Sounded vaguely familiar... So he leant me the album and I was hooked. It is still my all time favorite, probably my single favorite album by any artist, though that seems like a tall order for a single album to fill. I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I loved it. "People's Parties" and "Down to You" in particular roped me in and have never yet let me go. Even though I'm no longer in a place in my life where either of them speak to me first hand, I can relive the feelings at a listen. How can someone so beautifully capture human emotion? I was reminded of my love affair with this album a couple weeks ago when I pulled it out to listen to in the car on the way to work, and that, in fact, is what inspired me to do a web search on Joni, whereupon I discovered this list. To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was possible. I was struck by the ways the musical themes reinforce the words, e.g., the way "Help Me" fades off musically unresolved, which (to me) reinforces the uncertainty of the text ("Help me I think I'm falling / In love with you..." "We love our lovin' / But not like we love our freedom..."), etc. And the way the production on "Trouble Child" seems to isolate the sound in space, especially that muted trumpet, in the same way that the narrator is isolated. I could go on, but I won't. I love all of the albums I've heard, some more than others. I love the loneliness of "Blue" (which a very good friend sent us on tape while we were in Europe and which just about defines that sense of adventure and odd detachment you feel abroad), and the purity of "Ladies of the Canyon", but "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of music and lyrics. Thanks for letting me go on. Gordon "Maybe I'll go to Rome and rent me a grand piano and put some flowers 'round my room." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:05:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: F&J <> Hiya Jerry! Well, you must have been *stoned* when I sent my original sign-up post! ;~D Just in case others are wondering and missed the announcement...I'll be brief... I am currently accepting blanks and postage for this 2 CD-Tree. My address: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 A brief description - Volume 1, some odds and ends from the 80's (Tour rehearsals 1983, Shiny Toys Remixed, Farm Aid 85, Amnesty Int'l 86, Aussie TV 88) Volume 2, All Y2K interviews, CBC TV show from Feb, Rosie O'Donnell TV appearance, includes 2 songs live, The Promo Interview CD for BSN. Steve Polifka has designed some breathtakingly wonderful artwork (covers, tray liners, etc.) If you have other JONI to trade (Joni only, please) let me know! But you don't NEED anything to trade! Blanks are fine... If you're sending me blank CD's, BE SURE THEY ARE "MUSIC" or "AUDIO" CD's.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please include a note telling me that you want "F&J"...otherwise I won't know what to make for you. If you have any questions, ask! :~) Newbies are more than welcome - start your underground Joni collection now! :~) Bob NP: Van, "I Need Your Kind Of Loving" Thanks Boston Jim!! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:40:18 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC well, i simply can't believe that no one has mentioned being altered/stoned/whatever while grooving to the grateful dead. is it just too obvious? i think it may be impossible to listen to them without being stoned...i'm just kidding! i think it's great that several people on this list have talked about their abstinence, and i think it's certainly the right choice for some people. i would not, however, give up the things i have learned or the knowledge i have gained or the fun i have had due to hallucinogenics. i have never done heroine or meth or any injectibles, mind you. but i have walked the "leary" road of mind expanders. they can be a great way to get in touch with yourself or your higher energy. no pun intended... i get uncomfortable when people lump all drugs together in to one evil mess. they ARE NOT the same. they don't do the same things. they don't all have the same effect on your body or brain. i think many people do use drugs as escape, like colin talked about before. i am sure that i've been guilty of that before, too. i don't mean to judge anyone or their experiences, but hey. sometimes it's fun to get loopy and giggle for an hour. i don't do drugs much anymore, it's a very rare occurence. you know you're getting old when you use pot for two things, and two things only: cramps and insomnia. that's about the extent of my use nowadays. except for the occasional camping trip, lost in the beautiful backcountry of utah. my 2 cents, alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:42:59 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC I remember being really high somewhere (ludes or something) while somebody played endless Brownsville Station and Black Oak Arkansas records. Definitely a low point in my low life... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:27:19 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me Hi Gordon, Welcome to the list! Yours was a great post, I enjoyed it very much. I'm rather new myself and most people on this list are just too terrific! Enjoy! Gary Van Metre, Gordon wrote: > > Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was > C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 and a friend knew the kind of music > I liked and asked if I like Joni. I said, "Who?" and he said, "You know: > Help me I think I'm fallin..." Sounded vaguely familiar... So he leant me > the album and I was hooked. It is still my all time favorite, probably my > single favorite album by any artist, though that seems like a tall order for > a single album to fill. I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from > what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I > loved it. "People's Parties" and "Down to You" in particular roped me in > and have never yet let me go. Even though I'm no longer in a place in my > life where either of them speak to me first hand, I can relive the feelings > at a listen. How can someone so beautifully capture human emotion? > > I was reminded of my love affair with this album a couple weeks ago when I > pulled it out to listen to in the car on the way to work, and that, in fact, > is what inspired me to do a web search on Joni, whereupon I discovered this > list. > > To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after > eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - > just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was > possible. I was struck by the ways the musical themes reinforce the words, > e.g., the way "Help Me" fades off musically unresolved, which (to me) > reinforces the uncertainty of the text ("Help me I think I'm falling / In > love with you..." "We love our lovin' / But not like we love our > freedom..."), etc. And the way the production on "Trouble Child" seems to > isolate the sound in space, especially that muted trumpet, in the same way > that the narrator is isolated. I could go on, but I won't. > > I love all of the albums I've heard, some more than others. I love the > loneliness of "Blue" (which a very good friend sent us on tape while we were > in Europe and which just about defines that sense of adventure and odd > detachment you feel abroad), and the purity of "Ladies of the Canyon", but > "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of > music and lyrics. > > Thanks for letting me go on. > > Gordon > "Maybe I'll go to Rome and rent me a grand piano and put some flowers 'round > my room." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:30:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC > but hey. sometimes it's fun to get loopy and > giggle for an hour. It certainly is! Many many people use drugs to no ill effect. Drugs can also heigten awareness permentaly. As I said, my intial use certainly helped me, and if I hadn't I don't think i would have changed so much. For me, tho it is too tempting to stay in a fog. besides, puff lost it's effect for me. If not, I'd still be puffing away! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:36:04 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch That is an amazing piece of Joni and Northern Exposure trivia. Could it be true? I discovered Northern Exposure in re-runs and have such admiration for the creators of the show. It stands alone as one of the funniest and wisest things ever put on the tube. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:46:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me In a message dated 00-07-25 17:37:00 EDT, GSVanMetre@bemis.com writes: << Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 >> Welcome to the JMDL Gordon ! I just had to reply to your post since my experience was similar, only I was a sophomore in college and it was 1975. I purchased C&S because I was familiar with the airplay that "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" recieved. I really liked both of those songs and finally got the LP. I fell in love with the entire album, and the rest is history. Of course history from 2 1/2 years ago, was discovering this great bunch of people who also love Joni. Jimmy Stewart in Ft. Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:42:46 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC jan gyn said:- > 'Magic Bus' was a movie with Keannu Reeves and > Sandra Bullock See how it flies across implausible gaps...! The writers must have been stoned to think that the stunt in question looked realistic. Hey ho. Happy Tuesday, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:31:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Birthday Wishes (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Birthday Wishes (NJC) > A big Happy Birthday to my favorite Kiwi! > Happy Happy Birthday Hell in NZ! > > Hope you don't get too *pissed* while celebrating :~) > > Jimmy > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HELL!!! Hope you have a truly awesome one! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:00:11 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni reference in Stephen King novel Helen, Happy almost 34th! As someone in her 39th year I can tell you that there is life after 35, have no fear. BTW, I always look forward to your posts as they are very honest and entertaining. You bring a lot to this list even though you may not realize it. As far as the Stephen King references are concerned, page 14 of the unedited version of The Stand has the line "you turn me off, I'm a radio -" although not a precise quote it is still an implied one. The first thing I thought of was Joni's song. I am a big fan of Mr. King's writing and applaud his recent effort to circumvent the publishing companies by posting his latest work, The Plant, on his website (www.stephenking.com). For $1.00 you can get the beginning of the novel and pay as you read the subsequent chapters. As Mr. King states on his website, if not enough people pay then he will not continue to offer the book online. This story experiment is based on the honor system of you pay for what you take. If the story is pirated then he will not generate enough money to have it online. Could NAPSTER learn a lesson from this? Please discuss... Sue Cameron NP: Clock chiming 9:00 p.m. est ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:09:08 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: brady bunch, new listers Well since I was so young when I discovered Joni I would have died and gone to heaven if she appeared on The Brady Bunch. As it was I made sure that I was home and bathed to watch the Davy Jones episode. Please remember that one man's cheese is another man's gold. Thanks to Jim for the cool questions for new listers to answer and welcome David! Delaware isn't THAT far from Massachusettes so you should inform yourself on the upcoming JoniFest Labor Day weekend. BYT was featured on Sonny and Cher? We have to find a copy of this for the tape tree! I loved S & C as a kid and don't remember seeing BYT segement. Was it a take-off of the Yellow Submarine do you think? Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:10:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch For those of you who wrote to ask me about the Joni/Northern Exposure e-mail I posted yesterday, I did a search of the JMDL database, and the story is at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9610rg.cfm Here's what I was referring to: "Things were so bad that she actually called up the producers of Northern Exposure, a show she adored, and proposed that they cast her for a guest appearance based on this storyline: Joni Mitchell has quit show business, left all that L.A. craziness behind, and is driving through Cicely, Alaska, on her way to something better." I loved Northern Exposure. In fact, it's the last TV show I watched on a regular basis. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:19:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: hell has a big day (NJC) to my beloved fellow southern-hemisphere-er: H-A-P-P-Y B-I-R-T-H-D-A-Y, HELL!!!!!!!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:37:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from > what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I > loved it. Actually these two songs got a *lot* of airplay at the time. Especially "Help Me". That song was all over the radio when it was released as a single. I'm glad to see some "Court and Spark" lovers speaking out. It's hard for me to name a favorite among Joni's albums but this one probably comes closest. Notice I said 'favorite' and not 'best'. In my mind, anyway, there's a difference. I was also in college when I first heard this album. I immediately like "Raised on Robbery" because of the close harmony vocal at the beginning which reminded me of the Pointer Sisters or the Andrew Sisters. It also reminded me of Bette Midler's "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy." And since Bette also did "Twisted" that one was another song that attracted me to C&S. In case you couldn't tell, I was struggling with coming out issues at this time! (around 1974) So I finally bought this record for myself after hearing it a few times on other people's stereos. Like you, Gordon, I was completely captivated by it and amazed that anybody could tap into my feelings like that & do it with such skill. And what wonderful music! The depth of it was awe inspiring. And it fit together like clockwork. This is definitely the record that put the hook into me and it's been there ever since. > To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after > eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - > just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was > possible. This reminds of the time I was tripping on something or other & all alone in my dorm room. I got into staring into the mirror, getting right up close to my reflection. After awhile I got the strangest sensation that I was looking at....myself - not my reflection but actually looking at me standing about 4 feet away from....me.... But that's another story entirely...'when logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead...' (and probably a pretty dull one at that) but > "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of > music and lyrics. Someone (Pauline Kael maybe) once said that the movie The Godfather was a near perfect marriage of pop entertainment and art. That is what I have always felt about "Court & Spark". It is a thing of great beauty & wonder to me. Maybe more mainstream and not as cerebral as "Hejira" but then again it is an earlier work. I also believe that its commercial success was a fluke. Where Joni was in her development as a musician just happened to coincide with popular tastes at the time. I think every note & word is permanently etched on my brain. All I have to do is close my eyes & think about it to hear it, note for note. It is a very important stopping place in my journey of discovery of music and also of my life. Very close to an all-time favorite. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:56:56 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: a new cover I'm really glad that the singer on whose CD project I will be music director soon is going to do "I Don''t Know Where I Stand." Her name is Ginny Dustin and we will be doing some Swing Era stuff ("Christopher Columbus"), some French songs ("Roses of Picardy" and"La Valse des Lilas" --in English, it's called "Once Upon a Summertime," one of the first Michel Legrand tunes to make it over here) and some "standards" --"I Got Lost in His Arms" and "I'll Never Be the Same,"--a song worthy of being recommended to Joni Mitchell, if she's interested in pursuing a relationship with the older repertoire. DAVID LAHM, grateful, as always, to be spending a lot of each day making music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:14:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday Wishes (NJC) Have a GREAT birthday Helen~!!! Hugs, Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:21:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) Peg wrote: > Hey - how 'bout Spooky Tooth. Did ya get on to them at all? My best friend was real into them and I think she still has all the original vinyl! And then Jerry gave me some major flashbacks: > Don't forget Quicksilver Messenger. Ahhhhh.....one of those where I remember exactly where I was the first time I heard it (in my new love's powder blue, hopped-up convertible one sunny afternoon in the winter of '69 ;-) Of course, I was very impressed with him being one of the first people I knew to have a built-in 8-track player ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:34:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC Alison wrote: > well, i simply can't believe that no one has mentioned being > altered/stoned/whatever while grooving to the grateful dead. is it just too obvious? YES! ;-) > i think it's great that several people on this list have talked >about their abstinence, and i think it's certainly the right >choice for some people. As one who abstained (for very personal and not judgmental reasons) I want to add that I am a strong believer and defender of personal choice. What other people want to partake in is none of my business. Most all my friends then and now "partake" and my personal choice has never been an issue between us. In fact, I was the designated "roller" in college because of my fine turn of the paper. Probably an art major thing ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:37:20 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: A "Hello" and my Joni experience Well, After lurking a few days-- I've decided to make my first post to the JMDL. You all seem very knowledgeable and welcoming. I hope I can fit right in. My name's Eric. I'm a second-year undergrad at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, studying Art History. I'm 19 years old. I have a wide range of musical tastes-- music is a lot of what drives me as a person. I adore music of all genres. Two favorite artists of mine, though very different artists indeed, are Tori Amos and Ani DiFranco. Both have a deep appreciation and respect for Joni Mitchell. Tori Amos even regularly plays a delightful rendition of "A Case of You" which she calls "one of the most perfect songs ever written." It has always been a practive of mine to take a look at the artists that I enjoy-- and figure out who influenced them. So one day, I decided to check out Joni. I bought "Hits" as well as "Blue" and "Taming the Tiger". I was smiiten from the beginning. I quickly started to accumulate more albums-- though my colleciton is still not complete. Its wonderful for me to be able to discover another piece of a 30-year carreer every time I go to the music store. I'm looking forward to both reading posts to the list and posting myself. Its great that I've found so many people that appreciate the genius that is Joni Mitchell-- I honestly believe that few can rival her songwriting capabilities. I've also done extensive CDr trading-- and would love to be able to obtain some Joni shows. I'm always happy to help with trees, etc. So, enough about me. I just wanted to say hello-- and let everyone know that I'm looking forward to talking with all of you. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:12:26 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: Close second to Joni --- Jimmie Spheeris I must also jump in here and spread the word about Jimmie Spheeris. He really is a kindred spirit to Joni. And her influence is very evident in his music. > ...it is currently only available at > rainrecords.com, but through their hard fought efforts will be available in > record stores soon. Actually, his recordings have been available at CDNow for the past year. I recommend everyone go there and sample a few cuts. Specifically, you ought to check out "So Darkly Fall The Shadows" from the Ports of the Heart album to really hear that Joni influence. attempted link: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1992244577/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=SPHEERIS*JIMMIE/itemid=1235238 "Child From Nowhere," and "It's You They're Dreaming Of" from the same album are two of my favorites. Steve ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #415 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?