From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 414 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider [catman ] Joni's management ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) [pat holden ] bad hair day [Erin Stoy ] more Stereophile [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's worst? ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's worst? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: New listers (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Joni & the Brady Bunch ["c Karma" ] LAST BIG UK JONIFEST ANNOUNCEMENT!!! ["Chris Marshall" ] Joni on the Brady Bunch [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni & the Brady Bunch [Don Rowe ] Appreciation of JMDL (still more) [Jeff Clark ] RE: Joni and the Brady Bunch ["Peg Eves" ] Gold C&S ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider [Slac ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [David Gertler ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 03:32:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 10:49:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have? >> Maybe because Davey Jones was an actor hired to play the role of a pop/rock singer in a TV show? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:26:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider Hi Sue-I didn't notice anyone judging use of Marijuana-at least not for medication as you use. As with all drugs, it has good uses and not so good uses. Luckily this drug is available for your use and it does the trick. great. I think it is ridiculous that it is not legal and in fact people such as yourself should be able to get it free. A friend has MS and uses it and she hates being on the wrong side of the law as a result. As they say, the law is an ass. l colin Slac wrote: > Some of us wouldn't be here today if it weren't for Marijuana and comic > relief...and some of us have some quality of life with weed that we > would not have without it...we know who we are ;~) > > "...You battle on with the love you're living on > You gotta be mine > We take it away it's > Got to be night and day > Just a matter of time...and > We got nothin' to be guilty of > Our love will climb every mountain > Near or far we are and > We never let it end > We are devotion..."-belted by Streisand and Gibb > > Walk with me: I suffered three life threatening complications of a > perforated intestine (itself a complication of a 32 year illness for > which I have had four previous surgeries) this winter...I was falling, > falling, falling, the sky exploded and I flew...I became a falcon sans > falconer ;~) I was out there flying all painfree ease and peace for > three weeks...I died and now I'm back although I wasn't sent back...go > figure! Why would I come back when I could have stayed? I must be NUTS! > ...I have something to do: I have something to say. I DON'T > LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING/HEARING HERE...STOP FIGHTING!!! Your war on drugs > is a war on the most vulnerable members of your societies...SHAME ON > YOU! Who are you people to judge? What are your qualifications! Where is > your sense of justice? Compassion? Humour? magnanimity? (Grammar police: > I don't give a shit if that ain't a real word };~) Is it better to eat > or not eat? What do you think happens when you aren't able to eat? Have > IQ's suddenly dropped while I've been gone? (I stole that from Sigourney > Weaver's Ripley ;~) How many of you take painfree eating for granted? Do > you wimps even know you have guts? Is it better to self-medicate with > Marijuana or Morphine? Get all your facts in and your priorities > straight...I rest my case you narrow Dickens Cider asses...GI Jane says > "suck my dick!" Must be the Irish blood ;~D > > I love you ALL...even ric ;~D but you piss me off! You're all gonna get > here one day...think about it... > > Susan L.A. > I am your angel ;~) Wally man; didn't I tell you I'm stubborn and > tenacious? :~D Wherever you are flying tonight baby, this one's for you > ;~) - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:50:28 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) I was debating whether to send this message to the List even if its labelled NJC and way too personal, but as of this writing, I want to know what others think. I guess everyone's entitled to a "first time" in their lives, no matter how scary. Mine's looks like this: I have been a member of the List since 1997 but I have been on and off for quite some time too because of field work as well as long vacations where computers are not the priority in life of those areas I visit. I am Eurasian and has lived in the Philippines for much of my 32 years. I majored in human geography and with two degrees, I was hired as instructor in the state university here in the Philippines and have been teaching for close to 7 years. I am scheduled to tie the knot next year to my girlfriend of close to 12 years. Of course, nothing's wrong with that until last month. I received a typewritten, unsigned letter about the middle of June this year. Don't get me wrong, male teachers get those types of letters from students. I received those types of messages from students admiring certain things about the way we handle courses or the way we dress, or talk or present ideas -- and countless other things that we don't really (or at least me) take seriously. But this letter was quite long (4 pages) and was quite direct and forward about what s/he finds nice about me. I dismissed it as a handiwork of a bored student with a penchant for writing deliriously-in-love missives. About early July, I received another unsigned and typewritten letter (tacked outside of my faculty room) and at 11 pages, has got to be the longest letter I received from anyone (even my girlfriend who is currently in Canada, and who insist on writing letters the traditional way, can only write in 5 pages at most). This time the letter was kinda explicit and quite graphic. I am amazed at the ability of this writer to conjure a lot of images with just words. And despite the befuddlement, I have to resist myself from automatically grading the paper an A because of the clarity and beauty of the prose. But the words being used and the images being conjured were way too disturbing considering that it was for me. There were graphic allusions as to how this writer wants me in bed, and all other sex stuff I read in some porno magazines. I didn't tell anyone of it. I was both afraid (of being ridiculed) and angry (for being the target of this ...lunacy). I received the latest letter four days ago in my other office. This time the writer said that s/he knows where I live, what my number is, who are the people surrounding me at particular times of the day in school, and where I go when I eat and and that s/he started following me November of 1999, and other things that were too scary to read for its precision and accuracy. This time the writer said something that scared me: "I can't describe how I feel about you. You occupy my mind every nanosecond of the day and before this pain becomes unbearable, I would have to destroy you first." I told my 3 close friends and they advised that I talk to the Dean and some University officials, but I haven't done this because I feel that to recognize that there is a problem might give the stalker the leverage that I am scared. Which I am now, by the way. I have since been without someone wherever I go. I sometimes ask some friends if they are playing a prank on me -- because its far from being funny and has caused me to be paranoid. They even thought I was crazy to even think of them as stalkers (but how come this stalker knows way too much about me -- even about things I haven't told friends about). I used to wonder in the past what its like to be stalked. I thought it was cool because at least someone is really crazy enough to care for you. But I realize now that when it happens to you and that its real, you get paranoid and unhappy and unsettled for most of the day. So far, I haven't gone to the Dean about this. I was told by another friend that I should out-stalk this stalker, but I don't even know this person or have an idea if he is male or she is female. I just know that I have to look at my records for the past school year and look at former students who flunked in my class or whose writing style I can connect with this stalker, or who used a particular typewriter when they submitted their final papers. It may sound too cinematic... too JAGGED EDGE-type, but this stalker's letter "f" is not at the same level as the other letters. Strange how I notice the littlest of details now. As of now I don't know what to do. Its the thought of being watched and followed that freaks me out. Joseph PS. On the lighter side, I even listened to Sarah McLachlan's song "Obsession" from her FUMBLING TOWARDS ECSTASY album if only to experience vicariously what goes on in the mind of a stalker. Sarah had a problem like this, but it ended tragically for the stalker. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:36:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 07/24/2000 10:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearence >> Oh I can just see it now, Joni sitting in the living room going on and on to Mrs. Brady "......caught in the middle, Carol we're middle class....."...and " the wolf that lives in Cindy" comes running down the stairs with her "Thiny Toyth", followed by her screaming sister because "....Marsha's faucet needs a plumber..." and she goes running to "Alice and the Kingpen". But what happen to Alice's boyfriend Sam? Oh "Sam must be a Butcher Man". Then Carol's husband, you know Mike, "Mike from Mountains" is in his office upset over his eldest son. It seems he had some peer pressure at school, and everyone wanted to ride in "Greg's Dad's Cadillac". Joni gets fed up with the whole family, but at least while she was there she was able to "Tame Tiger". ;~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:56:37 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Birthday Wishes (NJC) A big Happy Birthday to my favorite Kiwi! Happy Happy Birthday Hell in NZ! Hope you don't get too *pissed* while celebrating :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:23:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) <> Joseph, Obviously I'm sorry you're in this situation. I have been in a similar situation, although not as intense and threatening as what you're dealing with. IMO, you HAVE to "out" this psycho by talking to your Dean or whoever else can bring it out in the open. The stalker is using the threats as blackmail to get you to do what you want. As in any case of abuse (and I would describe this as emotional/mental abuse), the attacker is relying on your keeping it a secret. The fact that you don't know who it is makes it trickier, but when you show that you are not intimidated it will give you a measure of control. In my case, the instant I did that (as difficult as it was to do) the person vanished. I'll be thinking about you and wishing for a peaceful resolution to this situation! Bob NP: Dishwalla, "Moisture" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:27:58 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch >Speaking of surreal Joni connections on TV, she ACTUALLy WAS on the Tom Jones >Show in 1970, alas, no duet with Tom... You mean to say that Joni sang "Delilah" and "What's New Pussycat?" unplugged and alone? While Tom wailed his way solo through... "Edith and the Kingpin"? That would be my recommendation for music to listen to while stoned. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:44:06 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Joni's management Does anyone have name and number of Joni's management or agent? A friend of mine here in London is one of the responsibles for a new venue place and is trying to book artists for the opening season. He's trying to get Joni Mitchell among others and of course I'd do anything to help him. I'm sure all UK listers are with me on this. Have your fingers crossed! Thanks Raffaele ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:51:19 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < labelled NJC and way too personal, but as of this writing, I want to know > what others think.>> > > Joseph, > Obviously I'm sorry you're in this situation. I have been in a similar situation, although not as intense and threatening as what you're dealing with. > > IMO, you HAVE to "out" this psycho by talking to your Dean or whoever else can bring it out in the open. The stalker is using the threats as blackmail to get you to do what you want. As in any case of abuse (and I would describe this as emotional/mental abuse), the attacker is relying on your keeping it a secret. The fact that you don't know who it is makes it trickier, but when you show that you are not intimidated it will give you a measure of control. > > In my case, the instant I did that (as difficult as it was to do) the person vanished. > > I'll be thinking about you and wishing for a peaceful resolution to this situation! > > Bob > > NP: Dishwalla, "Moisture" And Joseph, I will add that I was in a similar situation while at university a few years ago and it is important to blow this person's cover...to go to the Dean or whatever resources are available. Is there a Sexual Harrassment office there? As scary as it is to ponder the thought of exposing this person, it is much scarier to carry this weight alone, inside your head. take care and let us know...hey big step in telling all of us here. Mags np: michael from mountains - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:14:55 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Joni on Brady Bunch -- soooo NOT! Hello all, Harper Lou here, Brady Bunch? Aren't we stretching things a wee bit here? The Brady Bunch was to counterculture what steak tartare is to vegetarianism. Joni would have lost all her credibility as a songwriter of the generation by appearing on a commercially produced mainstream sitcom. The Tom Jones show was a variety show, which showcased many different musical talents -- not a stretch for any singer. In fact, in those days before VH1-a-thons, Jones' show did a pretty good job promoting musicians. So did Sonny & Cher, Laugh In, Ed Sullivan, and other variety shows. I remember those days (partially through the smoke) as a time when there was a great pressure not to conform, not to trust anyone over 30, to believe in ideals that were suppressed by the government, to defy the war and other oppressive social conventions (like racism, sexism, etc.). I also can remember when my friends teased me mercilessly for admitting that I liked Jackie De Shannon's "Put a Little Love in Your Heart" because the song was so "uncool." (Thanks to Annie Lennox for proving those guys wrong!). There was a strict dividing line between what was hip and what was not. The musicians sang about "the man" and "shopping bag people" and "piggies" and signs saying long-haired freaky people needing not apply. The Brady Bunch, no matter how desperately they tried to dress to be cool, were definitely on the other side of the culture. Of course, we were all too busy protesting in DC and trying to sneak into rock festivals that we hippies didn't have time for TV anyway. Also, most of us sold our TVs so we could pay for yet another fuel pump on our VW microbuses. Sometimes we would visit friends to watch certain bands on variety shows -- like Strawberry Alarm Clock on Laugh-In, and later Don Kirschner's Rock Concert and Saturday Night Live. But commercial sitcoms, no way!!! I never saw a single episode of the Brady Bunch until my daughter started watching it recently on Nickelodeon. Ewwwwwwwwww! I'm so glad I missed it. Maybe I'm too old now, but I don't get it. It's not funny, like say, old Gilligan's Island or Beverly Hillbillies episodes. It doesn't seem real -- more spooky like a surreal Twilight Zone episode about an American family robotized under the power of an evil villian with a mind-control device who forces them to live in a constant state of unhealthy codependence and bipolarity. Joni Mitchell, in those days, was the coolest thing in my world. I could not imagine her being on a show like that. It would make me cry, frankly, to find out she was. Why don't you just come over with black magic markers and draw mustaches and weird eyebrows on her portraits on all the covers of my prized original Blue and Clouds vinyl albums? I hereby vote to revive the Metheny thread or the top five times you made love to a Joni song, or something, anything!!!! Older, not necessarily wiser, Harper Louis Lynch VISIT THE PENNSYLVANIA RENAISSANCE FAIRE, WEEKENDS AUGUST THROUGH OCTOBER http:\\www.louislynch.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:39:39 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Painting with Words and Music - again First Up - Hi to Willy the Shake - Art School Buddy of mine, from the dim and distant, with a gift for wandering off the point and surreal syntax. :-) Willy, answer my e-mails and make the list a happier place! I am living in dreams of JM making the trip to La Scala to present BSN, whereupon I shall remortgage the home and start walking to Italy. Is there any word of the recent tour making it to some kind of video release? This may have been covered but I have been off list nursing a strangeness in the heart of my quark. Given that access to visual recorded performances for the rest of the world beyond the USA is a tad on the infrequent side, it is with some regret that I find it very hard to like PWWAM. Only, but only, when she sings without her guitar does she come in to her own on this recording. I have watched it a few times now, each occasion sending me further into despair as the most Loved One fails to ignite the flame of the song. I have observed that Joan's guitar work over the recent years is becoming progressively more complex in its timing and chops. I love it. Love it all. But when it comes to performance she seems to re-phrase her singing to marry up to the structure of her strumming and picking to the detriment of the flow of the song. Any views? I should love this video, I really want to, but for the life of me, all it makes me do is cringe. Is there any news on the development of JM's follow up to BSN and the re-visiting of other works from her cannon? I keep feeling like I will bump into her over here in London singing with the local scrapers (Lon Symp Orchestra). As if..... Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: bad hair day Hell wrote: "Possibly Joni's worst hair day?" http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm Oh man, that IS bad! But I think everyone had bad hair in the '80s. I know I did! rin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:12:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: more Stereophile Analog Corner: Joni Mitchell played The Theater at MSG recently, supporting her new CD, Both Sides Now. Mitchell with symphony orchestra sounded like a no-brainer, so we got tickets, though by the time my friend was able to get through online to Ticketmaster the best seats were gone. We got second-best accommodations for &75, which seemed reasonable, given the cost of rehearsing an orchestra, then traipsing around the country with it. The program handed out at the door announced that Herbie Hancock, Mark Isham, Peter Erskine, and a few other luminaries would be joining Mitchell, so we jazzed ourselves as we took our seats, which were actually pretty good; closer than halfway back and slightly stage left. The crowd resembled the one at the last Joni Mitchell concert I attended, only 20 years older, and definitely more gay. Though it was a mostly 40/50 something throng, as I surveyed the audience and noticed very little gray hair. I don't think it was dye, either. Must be the vitamins. Arrayed across the stage was a really large orchestra - well over 100 pieces - featuring a massive string section, and set with a jazz combo featuring Erskine's drum kit, Hancock's piano, and more than one electric bass. (Mitchell's ex-husband and musical director Larry Klein played along on some tunes with Chuck Berghofer.) Then conductor Vince Mendoza entered, took his place on the podium, lowered the baton, and the orchestra fired up an overture - a piece by Debussy. Disgust and disappointment. Not one note, not a single vibration, not a glimmer of sound - was audible from the stage. The mass of musicians might as well have stayed home. Every molecule of sound emanated from a cluster of shitty PA speakers hung almost ceiling high on either side of the stage. The sound just didn't originate at the speakers, it was pasted to them, localized in a small, bright, edgy, mono spotlight. After all, we weren't seated in the sweet spot between the left and right clusters. Wait a minute. Was I in a hi-fi store or a concert hall. Mitchell entered, and once the sycophants had tired of yelling "We love you, Joni," she began to sing. Her voice, too, of course, spewed forth from a speaker array, overlaid with spitty digital processing. Talk about cognitive dissonance! Over 'there" was the live concert I'd bought tickets for. But I was stuck over "here" with a PA system playing what could have been prerecorded music or a remote broadcast from another part of the world, for all it conveyed about the concert I was supposedly attended. Obviously, whoever sat before the soundboard had never heard of the term sound reinforcement. Instead, we got his or her electronic mix. Under such conditions, why bother going to see live orchestral music - or any kind of music? To watch more than 100 tuxedoed musicians sawing, plucking, and blowing away on unheard instruments? To see a speck of a beloved artist in the distance and hear her voice pounded into digital mud and pumped through loud but junky speakers? I don't think so. Anyway, it was a great performance. I think. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's worst? Hell wrote: > Possibly Joni's worst hair day? > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm The funniest thing about this is the genius pairing of photo and text -- was this the choice of Musician, Bill Flanagan, or Les? " Joni Mitchell's songs pour from her soul , but her head gets in there, too. When Mitchell came up with the line "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident," she first paired it with, "You get minor cuts and bruises, that's all/You could hammer out the dents." That was a cute little metaphor in the tradition of "Electricity" and "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio," but the songwriter wasn't happy with it. After some fiddling she changed the second line to: "There is chaos to the order, random things you can't prevent." " &: D Lori in DC, currently sporting similar hair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:22:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's worst? "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Hell wrote: > > > Possibly Joni's worst hair day? > > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm That unfortunate photo was taken at the session she did for The Friends of Animals campaign. The photographs on the resulting poster are far more attractive. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: New listers (NJC) Hell agonized: > P.S. 25 hours until I'm 34. Oh God, does this mean > I'm approaching middle-age? Only if you're planning to expire at age 68. "Caught in the middle Carol, we're middle class We're middle aged We were wild in the old days Birth of rock 'n roll days" HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Hell!!! Lori in DC, who is still not middle aged at 42 NPIMH: Chinese Cafe (of course) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:51:58 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni & the Brady Bunch I don't know if this will help remove the thought of so heinous an image as Joni appearing in even one frame of film with such a banal situation as The Brady Bunch, but I'd rather seek to see a rebroadcast of the animated version of "Big Yellow Taxi" that appeared on "The Sonny and Cher Show" sometime in 1970 or '71. In this wonderfully free spirited animation, a nude Cher is seen being awakened by bulldozers, and spends much of the song fleeing the rape of the planet. Does anyone know if this is available on videotape? CC "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals reran on Channel 5." -- JM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: LAST BIG UK JONIFEST ANNOUNCEMENT!!! Hi gang :) Just thought I'd send another message around with the decided-upon dates. The 'fest is set for 12th/13th August, with a possible early start on Friday evening if people want to. I'm easy on that score. Location is 49 Moat Way, Swavesey, Cambridgeshire. http://www.secure-si.co.uk/map.jpg sums it up. Phone numbers below in sig. Plan of campaign is:- Friday night: people arrive, start drinking, I'll lay on food. Possibility of music, if people bring something to play :) Saturday: Lunch at a country pub somewhere near Swavesey. Evening meal TBC: BBQ if weather is good, plan B if not. (Plan B being either a restaurant, or home cooking.) Sunday: Possible recovery time from the night before :) In between the meals, I'm open to suggestions. I've got tons of videos from Ashara, which people may want to see (well, some: Video trees 1, 2, 4 and A Day In The Garden). I think there's also a few of us at least who will be bringing instruments. If the weather's up to it, then there's also options like punting through Cambridge, or college tours, or the Fitzwilliam museum, and so on. If you want to come, please let me know as soon as possible! I need to start finalising plans, deciding whether to cook or book restaurants, and so on. I need to know the following things:- Are you arriving Friday night? Saturday morning (i.e. before 12) Saturday afternoon (between about 3 and 6) Sunday morning? Are you Vegetarian? Vegan? Fruitarian? From Mars? Violently allergic to anything in particular? (Nuts, gluten, chillis, and so on) Are you arrving by public transport (god help you) car Can you afford a night or two in a nearby hotel/B&B, or do you need me to scrape a space on the floor? Can you help me prepare food for Saturday night if the weather goes nasty on us? EVEN IF YOU'VE ALREADY CONFIRMED: can you please do so again, letting me know the above information? Please direct all replies to chris@secure-si.co.uk, rather than to either list. Thanks, and fingers crossed for some fine weather! - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris @ secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:36:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Brady Bunch -- soooo NOT! <> So, Harper, I suppose you would be equally repulsed by the "I Dream of Joni" concept with Joni in bare midriff cooing and crossing her arms at Major Nelson's request? LOL! Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Snake Man" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Judgments (NJC) Bruce wrote, re Gary Glitter's pedophilia: > And I'll also add that knowing this about him is all > the more reason not to honor such a person. And > ditto for O.J.-- who may still claim his past > athletic prowess, but his picture doesn't belong up > on the wall. Colin wrote: > I think it is okay to dislike someones art but not > to make value judgements about it. I agree with you, Colin. "To each, his own." > Did I miss something about OJ? Was he not found NOT > GUILTY by a jury? Yes, OJ was acquitted. Of course, many of us (including me) still believe he did it. However, Colin, you're correct to suggest that we should respect the jury's decision and assume OJ is innocent - -- and treat him accordingly -- since he wasn't proven otherwise. (I think the civil trial was desperate B.S. and never should have been allowed.) On the subject of Gary Glitter and Jackson Browne, I've gotta say (with my usual odd mix of conservatism and liberalism) ... I believe convicted pedophiles should be shot immediately, and I would be happy to take charge of that operation. I have a similar belief concerning spouse abusers. However, for good or ill, GG's music entertained people and stands on its own. I didn't buy it but I certainly danced to it! And while I'm disturbed by JB's alleged abuses of his wife and Darryl (which I believe are true), I can't discount his musical and lyrical talents. To dismiss an artist's talents because of disagreeable behavior in other aspects of his or her life is to deny ourselves so much. The abominable behavior of OJ, Gary, and Jackson shouldn't cause us to discount their work. Consider the following: - - Michael Jackson "might be" a pedophile - - Miles Davis reportedly beat his wife - - Joni Mitchell supposedly kicked her housekeeper ; ) I know that many of you will disagree that the following comparative "behaviors" are as heinous, but remember that some (or -- according to the religious right -- many) people believe very strongly that other "behaviors" are just as wrong as pedophilia and spouse beating. And in some places, "certain things" are still illegal. Then consider: - - Michaelangelo was a homosexual - - Elton John is a homosexual (remember the hysteria - that followed his coming out as "bi" in the early 70s?) - - Freddie Mercury supposedly kept a list of his homosexual conquests (this upset an acquaintance of mine so much that he seriously considered never listening to his Queen collection again) - - George Michael is an out-and-proud homosexual - - Lily Tomlin is a lesbian - - Ellen DeGeneres is an activist lesbian - - Rosie O'Donnell is probably a lesbian - - Joan Armatrading is a lesbian - - Melissa Etheridge is an activist lesbian - - I think Mary Chapin Carpenter is a lesbian, too ... - - Goddess only knows how many female artists have had an abortion and -- oh my god! this may be the worst! - - Vincent Van Gogh committed SUICIDE! 'Nuf said for now. Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:06:24 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni on the Brady Bunch Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:37:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch Relayer asked: "no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have?" I dunno... Maybe because Joni is more highly evolved than Monkees? :) --Bob There is now way that Sherwood Schwartz would have anyone who wrote a line like "fuck your strangers" on his perfect little world of a show... LOL! Imagine all the Brady girls singing 'Woman of Heart and Mind'... Twisted Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni & the Brady Bunch Just in case anybody was wondering if there's an issue we *don't* look at here on the JMDL ... this ought to put that baby to bed. Coming soon to a discussion list near you: Joniyasquatsi So sue me, I'm a film slut too! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 00 12:37:53 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Appreciation of JMDL (still more) >First time contributors are welcome anytime of course, but this week >seems like a good time to build on the successes of last week. Thanks for the encouragement Jim . . . Just a little more. ;-) As I've said, when I discovered JM "Shadows and Light" was out. This was purchased somewhat later than the rest of the albums, however. (I bought all of them probably within 6 months of discovering C&S.) One night I remember sitting in the basement with my headphones on giving S&L its first proper, full attentive listen. I was absolutely in love with this music. The way she sang "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" sent shivers all through me. As I looked over the oeuvre of this womans work in front of me that I was just discovering, I was amazed. I could not f*cking believe it! All within the span of 10 years! Had anyone ever accomplished such a body of work , array of styles, in such a time span? And she painted the covers! And yet she seemed no where to be found. I couldn't understand why every time I turned on the radio, she wasn't being played somewhere. When I would read the old issues of RS and other mags for articles and reviews, it was clear that she was a Big Deal in the seventies, yet where was she at now? She seemed so unpopular I thought I could look up her address in Malibu and go over and visit. And every time I turned on the radio, every single time, they were playing "Endless Love" by Diana Ross and Lionel Ritchie. This was a very lonely time for me musically, early eighties (wiping a tear). Friends of mine had the same vague, outdated notion of who she was that I had before I purchased her records. They'd say "Is she the one who sang rows and flows of angel hair?", with a somewhat perplexed, questioning look and a bit of a smirk. "Yeah, she did" I said, but check this out. Listen to this. Listen. Listen. Listen. I felt like a missionary trying to convert the primitives into the Light! Yeah, it was lonely, but I was carrying the torch for what I believed in (violins please). So it is great and appreciated to have JMDL to share thoughts and appreciation of JM, always the Queen of Mind Beauty. Though there has been a bit much of me lately so I will SHUT UP for awhile (promise) :-) Though I won't be posting for awhile ;-)I am interested in hearing other Joni histories, especially those knowing of her from way back. As I came into Joni somewhat later, after the Great Run (though by no means the end of the great music) what was it like to have caught these great albums as they were coming out, one after another. Were you knocked out at this change in styles? What was it like when C&S (my fave) first came out. Did it blow you away, or did you feel it was too slick and not as profound as say, Blue? Was everyone talking about it? (At this point even your mother must have been familiar with the name JM!) And HOSL, was that a trip!? For a long time (years) I did not like that album, hardly listened to it, then one day it sunk its hooks in me and I listened to it every day for 2 years! Thanks, Jeff At work, depressed because no music is playing, a little afraid of getting fired, didn't dream of Joni last night. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:47 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Joni and the Brady Bunch Tom Jones has a wonderful voice doesn't he! Godd singer. Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of B > Merrill > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:28 AM > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; Joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch > > > >Speaking of surreal Joni connections on TV, she ACTUALLy WAS on the Tom > Jones > >Show in 1970, alas, no duet with Tom... > > You mean to say that Joni sang "Delilah" and "What's New Pussycat?" > unplugged and alone? > > While Tom wailed his way solo through... "Edith and the Kingpin"? > > That would be my recommendation for music to listen to while stoned. > > Bruce > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Gold C&S Never have seen a discussion of the Gold Court and Spark release. Finally got my hands on one thanks to Half.com. I've listened to it twice and am quite impressed with the remastering job. Certainly worh the extra dead presidents. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:04 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Stalk Talks (extremely NJC, kinda long) << I told my 3 close friends and they advised that I talk to the Dean and some University officials, but I haven't done this because I feel that to recognize that there is a problem might give the stalker the leverage that I am scared. Which I am now, by the way.>> Don't be foolish. I think you should report this to the Dean. It could be a prank, but it's going a bit too far.You have nothing to lose by reporting this. Good luck. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:39:13 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider Colin wrote: > Luckily this drug is available for your use and it does the trick. > great. I think it is ridiculous that it is not legal and in fact people such > as yourself should be able to get it free. Colin, As a result of the Amerikans exporting their war on drugs into Canada some of us are now having a difficult time getting it for a price never mind free... > As they say, the > law is an ass. People make those ridiculous laws...and posing people abuse their positions to enforce them...there are posers on this list...anyway you cut it an ass is an ass... Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:19:18 -0400 From: David Gertler Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:40:14 EDT > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > > [...] > I read in the archives that at one low point in her career, Joni -- I hope > I'm getting this right -- approached the producers of "Northern Exposure" and > asked to be on the show, either playing herself or someone like her fleeing > the LA music scene. Do you remember when '80s pop star Adam Ant appeared on Northern Exposure, playing a musician? Think the producers picked him over Joni? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:27:10 -0400 From: David Gertler Subject: Re: Looking For New Contributors > [...]So, consider these thought provoking questions: > > * How did you find out about Joni? I was aware of her for a long time, but I didn't really get "into" her until a co-worker gave me a copy of Hejira about 10 years ago. (He had taped the album, but not all of it could fit onto one side of the tape, so he omitted "A Strange Boy" and "Furry Sings the Blues" -- I later bought the CD, but I had gotten so used to hearing it the other way that I still usually skip those two tracks.) > * What were your early experiences with her songs? I knew she had written "Woodstock," but all I'd heard was the CSN version, with its strong pop sensibilities. When I later heard her more dirge-like version, it blew me away. > * How did you explore the albums? I still haven't heard some of them: Mingus, TTT, DED, TI. However, Hejira is my all-time fave, and I also especially adore the first one (which I think of as _Joni Mitchell_, not _Songs to a Seagull_) and _Miles of Aisles_. My fantasy for a long time was to get a multi-CD player and put five Joni albums on "random play." We recently got that sort of CD player, so I'll indulge my fantasy this summer. > Why not join in the chorus of new posters? I've posted before, but not much, so I'll join in again now -- thanks for asking! Dave Gertler (Delaware, USA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:47:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch I think Joni on Northern Exposure would make sense. Such an off-beat show. One of my faves is Juliana Hatfield as an angel in the Christmas episode of My So Called Life. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:45:30 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC loree, responding to my post, insightfully shared: >Count my vote that NO music sounds good to me when stoned. One of the worst experiences of my life was getting stoned... one I never repeated. And it certainly was not because Nancy Reagan told me to "just say no"... it was just a plain awful experience. And no, it was not a bad trip/ bad drugs! That experience did teach me the deep value of my own day-to-day consciousness... unaltered with chemicals. Not to mention, friends that I saw killed by drugs! If I were young again reading some of the posts lately, it would sound attractive to "get stoned" and listen to Joni. For me, a quiet room, a fine sound system, perhaps headphones, a Joni CD... that is nirvana for me!> this is a really excellent post. I mentioned my own drug use/experimentation in passing but there is so much more to say... you are SO blessed and fortunate to have had that bad experience and that you didn't get sucked in by the enormous drug trap. I am very grateful to still be alive and fairly lucid and to be able to look back and see that I was SUCH a fool! it's a bit ironic to me that, after a 3.5yr hiatus from working in psychiatric patient care, instead manning the facility's LAN, last week I was again reassigned to work in the drug & alcohol rehab program, a first for me. ...so with my focus suddenly shifted to this area, while taking into account the probability that a fairly healthy percentage of the listers out there are working on some kind of 12-step program themselves, I find particularly interesting in your post this comment: "it was just a plain awful experience. And no, it was not a bad trip/bad drugs! That experience did teach me ***the deep value of my own day-to-day consciousness... unaltered with chemicals.***" and it's also logical that you see a good sound system with good music as a more desirable alternative... the thing is a whole lot of 'addiction' to drugs really is no such thing but instead a simple, if ill conceived, escape from the fact that, for that individual, for some reason or another, (there are many) life sucks. therefore, in their perception, a case of beer, a joint, etc. is the only way life can be acceptable. of course what is needed is to deal with the issues so life itself can be better but also, of course, this is precicely what this form of escape prevents cause you can't and won't deal with *shit* when you are stoned! anyone with your good fortune to have avoided this destruction in their life and NOT found comfort in altering their perception of life with drugs should be so grateful in this day and time. few of us have survived and none intact. it makes me think of the line in Tom Paxton's 'Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound': "...so if you see me passing by, you sit, you wonder why... kinda wish that you were rambling too; nail your shoes to the kitchen floor, lace them up and bar the door, thank the Lord for the roof that's over you." as for the 'friends... killed by drugs'? Kieth Moon, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, all musical geniuses, all with everything to live for... in 1967 a man in a 3-piece suit came to the Cellar on a packed saturday night when I was headlining. I was in my prime and my sound and stage presentation had never been better and as I was coming off the stage from my 3rd particularly hot set, he approached me with a nat'l recording contract with reprise. I didn't take it but I know that if I had, I wouldn't be sitting here writing this right now... I was such a fool. pat NP: For The Roses http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:29:12 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Music that I heard others got high to (NJC) Music I heard others got high on high on '68 to '73: Airplane! (After Bathing At Baxter's,Crown Of Creation), Hendrix, ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum( an amazing group!), Doors, Traffic - for sure. Heck, whatever was playin - I hear they got high on. Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On mentioned "Low Spark of High Heel > Boys" by Traffic Vince, who was after all a child of the 60s > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:45:52 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) > -----Original Message----- > on... We sure had some great > music in > those days, didn't we now? Peg responds: Yeah, We sure did. It made me what I am! The Who, Led Zeppelin - everyday, all day. The Dead, Marshall Tucker, It's A Beautiful Day. Hey - how 'bout Spooky Tooth. Did ya get on to them at all? Peg > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:09:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The "getting stoned" thread - NJC The very first song I heard stoned was Magic Carpet Ride by The Who. It was like a light bulb going off in my head. Like, Oh yeah, now I see. I really think listening to early Joni stoned and following the lyrics carefully helped me get into and appreciate her music more. I did the very same with Laura Nyro's music. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:11:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) Peg Eves wrote:? > > Peg responds: > Yeah, We sure did. It made me what I am! The Who, Led Zeppelin - everyday, > all day. The Dead, Marshall Tucker, It's A Beautiful Day. Hey - how 'bout > Spooky Tooth. Did ya get on to them at all? Don't forget Quicksilver Messenger. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:54:29 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) YES! Quicksilver!! Peg Behalf Of Jerry > Notaro > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 3:12 PM > To: Peg Eves > Cc: RoseMJoy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) > > > Peg Eves wrote:? > > > > > Peg responds: > > > Don't forget Quicksilver Messenger. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #414 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?