From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #413 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 413 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Looking For New Contributors, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni's worst? ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Anastacia - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] New listers ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni's worst? [FMYFL@aol.com] Flotsam & Jetsam Cover art...(njc) [Steve Polifka ] Joni,Big Sur on cable tonight [RandyRemote ] YES! (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: JudgmentsNJC [catman ] stoned music [Leslie Shapiro ] Tangled up in blue (SJC) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] 60's (NJC) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] vinyl Blue [Jerry Notaro ] The Salieris and Amadeus ["william" ] Gary Glitter and the VW Beetle ["william" ] The sixties [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni's worst? ["Kakki" ] Songbooks [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: nrh [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Songbooks [Les Irvin ] Paprika Plains [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rory G. (NJC) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re Music that I got high to (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Rory G. (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Music that I heard others got high to (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: 60's (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni and the Brady Bunch [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Music that I heard others got high to (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Fw: 60's (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: 60's (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [Murphycopy@aol.com] (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider [Slac ] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [Relayer211@aol.com] NJC test ["Mark or Travis" ] Lead Balloon ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni reference ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:49:24 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Looking For New Contributors, NJC If you've been holding back from contributing, consider posting this week! First time contributors are welcome anytime of course, but this week seems like a good time to build on the successes of last week. So, consider these thought provoking questions: * How did you find out about Joni? * What were your early experiences with her songs? * How did you explore the albums? Why not join in the chorus of new posters? Just send an email to: joni@smoe.org If it's not about Joni, just remember to add "NJC" to your subject line. Have fun! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:44:16 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Joni's worst? I was browsing the JMDL articles today, looking for a photo for a project I've got in mind, and I came across this little number. Possibly Joni's worst hair day? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:51:18 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Anastacia - NJC Sorry to post this here, but I want some opinions other than my best friend's, who has a Brittany Spears CD single in her collection (need I say more)? Anastacia has currently got the No.1 single in NZ (with I'm Outta Love) and I absolutely love her voice - she's got kind of a Janis meets Aretha meets Tina meets Anita Baker kind of thing going. I've seen her on a TV interview here where she sang a capella (sp?) and sounded incredible (she's not too hard on the eyes either, just quietly). Have any list members heard her album, and is the rest as good as the single above? I'm tempted to buy it, but don't want to rush into anything, since my funds are limited and must be spent wisely (like for a Jonifest)! Thanks! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:03:19 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: New listers Further to Jim's message about new listers (which I very cleverly deleted before composing this one), I'd like to add something. I have to say that my enthusiasm for Joni has increased dramatically since I joined this list. Don't get me wrong, I've always loved her, but it's been a kind of "blind love". I never knew where Beale Street was. I didn't know that Two Grey Rooms was about a gay man. I didn't know half the things I do now. I guess just discussing her songs and lyrics makes it far more interesting to listen to the songs. Especially with the insight that a lot of listers have (not me!) when we discuss what certain lyrics might mean. In other words, I feel like I've gotten a lot more out of this list than I've put in, which makes me pretty lucky. I would urge any new listers/lurkers who have a question or a statement about Joni to jump in and share it. You'll be amazed at the response (and at the friends you'll make). That's it - now back to your regular viewing. Hell P.S. 25 hours until I'm 34. Oh God, does this mean I'm approaching middle-age? NP: The cat chasing invisible insects on the living room rug - and from the sounds of things, he's just crashed into something (probably his head into a chair leg, which he does most nights). Mayhem and chaos, every night. Mayhem and chaos. _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:46:34 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's worst? In a message dated 07/24/2000 6:52:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Possibly Joni's worst hair day? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm >> LOL Hell, I hadn't seen that one before. I guess it was the style back then, but Joni should have been singing "Electricity" instead of DED songs :~) Jimmy, hoping Hell and I won't get nasty off list email like Coyote Rick did when mentioning Joni's hair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:52:46 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Flotsam & Jetsam Cover art...(njc) Hi all... If you are interested in the F&J cover art, please email me privately and I will send Jpegs (or other formats if you wish). This should help out Mark and Les untileverything is up and running.... Steve p.s. Hi Bob! Glad to hear you are back! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:17:49 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: listening to joni when... the sixties The 60's were a wonderful time... a delightful time to be alive. There was so much novelty & possibility and expectation and happiness. I feel so lucky to have been there. Music was opening up, on many fronts. That won't happen again. I.e. No group will ever be able to open up rock/pop music the way those marvelous Beatles did-- because we will never go back to being pre-Beatles, back there in the doldrums of Pat Boone and Franky Avalon. Bruce >Paul should know by my constant blathering of love for 60s music on the list >just how memorable those times were for me! Not to take away at all from >the real strife and tragedies which occurred during that decade (don't think >I need to recite them) I loved the 60s then and now and hold many wonderful >memories of them and the times I had. My parents did NOT enjoy them and I >know many younger than I (Gen X'ers) who tend to regard them with much >disdain ("filthy, idealistic, drugged-out, stupid hippies and anarchists") >but I saw the idealism as beautiful and feel that it was a true time of >renaissance and overbursting creativity on every level. Rose-colored >glasses? - I don't care - much everlasting good came out of that decade. > >Kakki > >NP: Jonatha Brooke live in N.J. 6/4/00 - So Much Mine > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:25:16 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Judgments Hi Paul, Firstly, you are welcome to pick on me. But in truth I said no such thing. I never suggested that Gary Glitter's music was without merit *because* he was a pedophile. While living in London in the 70's and so being aware of the plodding music of this preposterous glittering guy, I was aware that his tunes were without merit before I gathered that he was a pedophile. It was only during the immediate Joni-L exchange that I learned of his moral & legal lapses. And I'll also add that knowing this about him is all the more reason not to honor such a person. And ditto for O.J.-- who may still claim his past athletic prowess, but his picture doesn't belong up on the wall. Bruce >merrillb@crisny.org writes: << You're right, Paul I. A group of them, approx 40,OOO, are marching by > outside my window as I write! But what are they singing? What is this one > composition by the shiny pedophile to which you refer? Or is it perhaps a > GG medley? >Not to pick on Bruce because his post is one of many that I could refer to in >making this comment, but it seems to me that there are quite a few people on >this list who are very quick to dismiss the artistic work of people like Gary >Glitter or Jackson Browne because of some flawed characteristic or alleged >crime. > As if Glitter's music cannot be any good anymore because he turned out to >be a pedophile. Or none of J. Browne's music would be worthwhile if he really >did beat up Daryl Hannah.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:50:44 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Joni,Big Sur on cable tonight For those who recieve the Fox Movie Channel, the concert movie "Celebration At Big Sur" will be on tonight at midnight EST (9PM PST). If you haven't seen it, it has fantastic early Joni footage w/CSNY. It hasn't been on cable for about 6 months. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:43:21 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: YES! (NJC) : Relayer211@aol.com wrote: " I just saw Yes in Hartford!!!It was my 4th time seeing them.they played only old classic songs such as "Close to the edge","The gates of delierium","Ritual","ISAGP", "Starship trooper" ect...It was wonderful.I've seen them 4 times,and this was the best of the bunch.I also saw Kansas.They were ok,but no where near as good as Yes.Of cource I'm not a fan of them,however.I only know a few of their songs." WOW! I am SO jealous. I really wanted to see this Masterworks tour. We saw them here at House of Blues last year and they were awesome in such a small venue. I have seen them twenty some times (yes I am the Deadhead of Yes Fans) and I can never get enough of their live shows. I am listening to a live show from the Tormato Tour right now, that I downloaded off the internet. Great quality show! I also just got this from the Yes List: YESWORLD: The Yes Online Service UPDATE - July 21, 2000 POSTPONED SHOWS RESCHEDULED The two shows that did not occur have been rescheduled: Indianapolis, IN - August 3 Cincinnati, OH - August 4 Heads up Yes fans to catch this great band. Paz NP-Awaken-Yes Live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:41:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JudgmentsNJC B Merrill wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Firstly, you are welcome to pick on me. > > But in truth I said no such thing. I never suggested that Gary Glitter's > music was without merit *because* he was a pedophile. While living in > London in the 70's and so being aware of the plodding music of this > preposterous glittering guy, I was aware that his tunes were without merit > before I gathered that he was a pedophile. It was only during the immediate > Joni-L exchange that I learned of his moral & legal lapses. First off, I agree no one made any judgement re a persons talent and his life in any other area. However, who is qualified to say GG's music has no merit? I accept that in your opinion you don't like his style. Nothing wrong with that. that is different tho to saying the guy had no merit. I think it is okay to dislike someones art but not to make value judgements about it. Did I miss something about OJ? Was he not found NOT GUILTY by a jury? > > > And I'll also add that knowing this about him is all the more reason not to > honor such a person. And ditto for O.J.-- who may still claim his past > athletic prowess, but his picture doesn't belong up on the wall. > > Bruce > > >merrillb@crisny.org writes: > << You're right, Paul I. A group of them, approx 40,OOO, are marching by > > outside my window as I write! But what are they singing? What is this one > > composition by the shiny pedophile to which you refer? Or is it perhaps a > > GG medley? > > >Not to pick on Bruce because his post is one of many that I could refer to > in > >making this comment, but it seems to me that there are quite a few people on > >this list who are very quick to dismiss the artistic work of people like > Gary > >Glitter or Jackson Browne because of some flawed characteristic or alleged > >crime. > > As if Glitter's music cannot be any good anymore because he turned out to > >be a pedophile. Or none of J. Browne's music would be worthwhile if he > really > >did beat up Daryl Hannah.... - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:45:35 -0400 From: Leslie Shapiro Subject: stoned music Hi Folks, I gave up all that stuff ages ago, but think about how much music was written, performed, recorded, etc. stoned! That's a headrush. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:23:54 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Tangled up in blue (SJC) I have been thinking about the discussion that Dylan's Tangled up in Blue was written about Joni. One verse seems like it could be "she was working in a blinding light". My perferred explanation is that each of the "characters" in the song are encountering the same types of problems that Joni wrote about so perfectly in "Blue". As if Bob was saying that "Blue" really speaks to the problems of almost all inter-personal and life relationships. A tribute , or so I see it. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:34:16 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: 60's (NJC) Kakki, You are not alone; I too went "sans drugs", was almost everywhere in the 60's-early 70's, remember it AND ENJOYED IT.(thanks, Paul) Darice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:13:39 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: vinyl Blue From Stereophile: Music Direct (www.amusicdirect.com), the Chicago based LP. CD. accessory and hardware dealer, announced in June that it is now the exclusive worldwide distributor of DCC Compact Classics vinyl. Under an agreement with the financially troubled reissue label, which recently came out of Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Music Direct will finance the release of long-awaited 180 gram titles: Joni Mitchell's Blue and two Artanis Sinatra LP's - The Summit: Frank, Sammy and Dean In Concert and Sinatra '57 In Concert. Music Direct said they were "shooting" for a July release on the Mitchell and August for the Sinatras. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:37:32 +0700 From: "william" Subject: The Salieris and Amadeus So according to Joni we (the JMDLers) must be the Salieris and she's Amadeus. Sounds spot on to me. A bit of an awkward sequetor (sp?) this but I remember when DJRD came out. For some reason I kept hearing it on the radio. In Britain 1978 that was unusual as there was little chance to hear the "good' stuff on radio; save for Alan Freeman and John Peel. Anyway, one night I happened to be listening to John Peel and he played the entire 16 minutes-odd of Paprika Plains. I remember his comment afterwards. "Well that's it. I've played it." It's one of those Joni "songs" that's so-o-o-o-o-o not talked about that often. It's such a work I was surprised it didn't feature at all in the Top 5s. That last "movement" with the sax sends shivers up me spine. If I ever make a compilation tape and have several minutes at the end of a side, I always put on that last seguement. It's so full. It's 2:30 am here in slithered moon Indonesia and I should go off to bed. I may have another look at the postings and write more thoughts from a Mundayne/Chooseday. Willy the Shake NP - Keb Mo Victims of Comfort ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:55:17 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Gary Glitter and the VW Beetle As for Gary Glitter. I was at an age when GG was #1-ing and I was going out and buying the latest releases by the pop stars circa Glitter, Bolan (Jeepster - my #1 all-time fav. single), Queen's early music, then later as I "matured" Yes. I think this should be fairly indicative that I'm not American as I would probably have been buying Don MacLean or the like. Did America have a Glitter counterpart? The UK charts seemed so different from the US back then. But I'm wandering....... I used to work in the Middle East which tended to give expats opportunities/openings they wouldn't have had at home. By that I mean invitations to ambassador functions, state dinners, meetings with passing-through celebrities. Just to name drop a few (for dramatic effect!), George Bush, Bjorn Borg, Tina Turner and, getting back to the point, I spent an evening in a bar with Gary Glitter. Just me and him. Sitting, sipping and gossiping about everyone in the business that he could tell me about. What am I going to say here? I'm not sure. Mr Glitter was the nicest person you could probably have met. Albeit a bit of a lad. Ok you're a tad star-struck. Private lives are private lives and between consenting adults most things go. I'm au fait with that. I was never quite clear why GG was jailed, or how the incriminating evidence was uncovered in the first place. Does it change your attitude towards a person if you find out some unsavoury unacceptables? Surely it must have an effect: acknowledged or otherwise. George Michael Jackson comes to mind. I still Listen without Predudice. How many people don't have skeletons in their cupboard? I can hardly think of anything worse than child pornography. If Mr Glitter decided to child-voyeur in his own time I would say he needs help not harrassment. Yes I also agree he should pay a price. I've heard the odd story here and there about Joni and her shortcomings/traits, whatever. The recent homophobic thread on the Line par example.There's no way that would affect my undying awe for Hejira, HOSL et al. I still listen to such old favourites as Bolan Boogie, Close to the Edge, Queen ll. I heard my first Joni in 1975. C&S. Followed by HOSL. I'll never forget watching the record label spinning on the turntable and thinking, what is this! Ain't no big fan of Adolf but he was responsible for the VW Beetle. Light thoughts for a Monday. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 00 16:39:43 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: The sixties Kakki wrote: >Another funny thing - I often get asked whether I was old enough to >recall the 60s because I look too young to qualify. Jeff, I thought you >were in your early 20s when I met you at Ashara's, but your posts >indicate otherwise. I was seven years old in 1969 but highly observant, as all children are. We lived in upstate New York at the time and I remember quite well watching footage of Woodstock on television that weekend in the summer. I had several older cousins who were in their late teens at the time that were also an influence on me. The music of that period, even as a kid, I recognized as being so vital and alive and in tune topically with the times. I loved Santana and War. The current issue of RS lists the top songs this week, summer of 1970, which were so important to me then--Freda Paynes "Band of Gold", Five Stairsteps "Ooh Child", songs that I just loved as a kid, and still consider as something of anthems of that era. For a long time I was quite seduced by the myth of California and the Sixties, as perpetuated by the Beach Boys and others (including Joni). The cover of Neil Young's Decade also embodied this to me (though in kind of an a la seventies manner). I came to see to what extent it was a myth, however and admired how adept Joni was in acknowledging it, dealing with it, moving on and creating wonderful works from the resulting turmoils (rather than burning out). The music of that time is unmatched, however. That's when the GIANTS ruled! Its probably been posted, but has anyone into this seen the movie "A Walk on the Moon"? A nice, understated movie from last year that captures something of the spirit of the times (to me) pretty well. Great soundtrack too (including Joni's Cactus Tree). Jeff ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:31:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's worst? Jimmy wrote: > << Possibly Joni's worst hair day? > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm > >> > LOL Hell, I hadn't seen that one before. I guess it was the >style back then, but Joni should have been singing >"Electricity" instead of DED songs :~) In retrospect she should have put a song on DED about some of the abominable hair fashions foisted on us in the 80s, too. ;-) But I think many of us learned that most just don't have the best hair for the perm style. Even though I should have known better, I finally gave in to the fashion and went in for a perm of my long hair in the 80s. Not only did I end up looking like Bride of Frankenstein, the evil hair technician dumped way too much noxious solution over my tresses, resulting in a loss of half my hair. No siree, it wasn't pretty when a one-inch wide Mohawk started sprouting up down my middle of my head along the center part. > Jimmy, hoping Hell and I won't get nasty off list email like >Coyote Rick did when mentioning Joni's hair I'm still amazed anyone would send nasty off list email, especially over innocuous comments about her hair. Even Joni laughs about it. I recall the LACE report of Joni and her friends joking with Phyliss about the bad perm, hair day she had in a photo in the Star Art book. So it's "o-kay" to giggle a bit over it. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:25:58 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Songbooks Anyone, Where is there a complete list of Joni's songbooks to buy? My # 2 would be Ferron or Tom Waits - poets extraordinaire. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:32:35 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: nrh i just spent the last three minutes of my life on my hands and knees looking around the family room for a cricket that didn't exist as it was coming from the song on the cd. thank god it was not a terribly long song because i didn't figure it out until the song stopped. sheesh. pat np. twins in a tub ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:33:07 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Songbooks At 03:25 PM 7/24/2000, peves@marlboro.edu wrote: >Where is there a complete list of Joni's songbooks to buy? It may not be totally complete - but it's the best resource yet: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/songbooks.cfm Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:39:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Paprika Plains << It's one of those Joni "songs" that's so-o-o-o-o-o not talked about that often. It's such a work I was surprised it didn't feature at all in the Top 5s. >> Willy, In my 2 1/2 years here, I haven't seen Paprika Plains get its fair analysis. Maybe because it's such an amazing piece, there's SO much music to it, SO many lyrical images, especially when you include the passage in the gatefold that wasn't included in the song! I listened to it twice at the beach, once with Nikki (I played her DJRD for the first time), and once on the upper deck, reading along with the words and looking out over the marsh and the creek. It was cool, even if the setting was more appropo for "Song To A Seagull"... Bob NP: Holly Cole, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:56:14 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Rory G. (NJC) Rory Gallagher was, IMHO, one of the greatest blues guitarists ever (electric). The one chance I had to see him remains vivid 30 years later. His death was one of the saddest losses to me,a real tragedy. The other vinyl I found in Amoeba (along with DED and S&L) was Rory Live '72. His brother has had the Rory G BBC sessions issued on CD. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:14:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re Music that I got high to (NJC) All of Joni's albums that were released from 1968 to 1975. That's about the time when I stopped getting high. Other Bands that come to mind: The Fab Four Buffalo Springfield CSNY Wings The Band Mountain The Rolling stones Leonard Cohen Joan Baez Joe Cocker (Mad Dogs & Englishmen) Grand Funk Railroad (Remember the red album?) Cream George Harrison (All Things Must Pass) The Doors The Who Led Zeppelin Edgar & Johnny Winter T.Rex Ravi Shankar leon Russell I'll stop here, the list goes on and on... We sure had some great music in those days, didn't we now? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:39:11 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Rory G. (NJC) DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us wrote: > Rory Gallagher was, IMHO, one of the greatest blues guitarists ever (electric). > The one chance I had to see him remains vivid 30 years later. His death was > one of the saddest losses to me,a real tragedy. > The other vinyl I found in Amoeba (along with DED and S&L) was Rory Live '72. > His brother has had the Rory G BBC sessions issued on CD. > Darice I saw Rory Gallagher in concert once, in 1969; he was with Taste then (I do have the vinyl album too) when they, and Delanie and Bonnie, opened for Blind Faith in Chicago at the old Ampitheatre. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:47:52 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Music that I heard others got high to (NJC) McDonald and Giles was reputed to be the ultimate album for listening to when high... from what I, ahem, heard... Ian McDonald and Michael Giles, whoever they may be... looking at the album, I see that Stevie Winwood does an organ and piano solo on one song, but does not sing (they must have been high when they didn't let Windwood sing...) speaking of Windwood, someone else mentioned "Low Spark of High Heel Boys" by Traffic and on that one you don't even need the grass to feel high when you hear it... or so I have been told. (the Rev) Vince, who was after all a child of the 60s ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 00 20:42:02 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: RE: Stoned music (NJC) Kakki wrote: >Kakki, whose youthfulness comes from a freak gift of genetics and nothing > more ;-) And I would bet your love of and enthusiasm for music goes a long way too! ;-) Jeff ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:21:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: 60's (NJC) > Kakki, > You are not alone; I too went "sans drugs", was almost everywhere in the > 60's-early 70's, remember it AND ENJOYED IT.(thanks, Paul) > Darice > I was thinking about this today and realized that I too went through the 60s without ever touching marijuana. But then I was only 15 years old when the 60s ended. As a matter of fact, I didn't smoke anything till around 1973. I can still remember the first time, in the back seat of a VW beetle on a *cold* Iowa winter night, coughing my brains out & then later getting a near-terminal case of the giggles. Ok, Kakki, we covered the 60s. What about the 70s? Were you as clear-headed in the 'me decade' as you were in the swingin' 60s? I often wished back in those days that I had been born a few years earlier than I was. It always seemed like I missed something. The idealism & commitment to change was fading fast by the time I got to college. Not many seemed to care anymore. Sororities, frats & football had not yet come back into vogue (they were all pretty uncool at the U of Northern Iowa in the 70s) but there was not much interest in politics or trying to bring about social change. We still had the sexual freedom & the freedom to dress and do pretty much what we wanted. But nobody seemed to think much about what that meant or how those freedoms were gained. I used to listen to Peter Paul & Mary and Joan Baez and wish I had more of a purpose or direction for my life. I often still feel that way... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:09:55 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and the Brady Bunch One of my favorite shows is "The Brady Bunch." It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearence on that show sometime when the show ran from 1969 through 1974. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:50:50 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Music that I heard others got high to (NJC) I always associate The isley Brothers' "Highways of Your Mind" to be the ultimate music when high. The slow funk and its hints of psychedelia takes one ... (me?) to the high heavens. Joseph (started smoking joints after college to test it for purely "scientific reasons" haha) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:26:31 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 10:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << One of my favorite shows is "The Brady Bunch." It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearence on that show sometime when the show ran from 1969 through 1974. >> Is this a joke? I hope so - although I have to admit, I don't get it. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:40:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 10:20:51 PM, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << One of my favorite shows is "The Brady Bunch." It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearance on that show sometime when the show ran from 1969 through 1974. >> I read in the archives that at one low point in her career, Joni -- I hope I'm getting this right -- approached the producers of "Northern Exposure" and asked to be on the show, either playing herself or someone like her fleeing the LA music scene. (For anyone unfamiliar with "Northern Exposure," it was a TV show about a young doctor from New York who moves to a small town in Alaska that's filled with colorful characters.) It was such an off-the-wall and entertaining show, I think Joni would have been a great, quirky addition to the cast. I am glad, however, Joni stuck with music. Although given her track record throughout the arts, she probably would have been a fine actress. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:46:39 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 10:44:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seulbzzaj@aol.com writes: << Is this a joke? I hope so - although I have to admit, I don't get it. - Scott >> no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:51:29 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: List Humor - NJC I thought this was might get a chuckle or two. Q: How many mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,621: - - 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb has been changed. - - 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. - - 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. - - 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. - - 53 to flame the spell checkers. - - 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. - - 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. - - 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this e-mail exchange to alt.lite.bulb. - - 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. - - 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts ARE relevant to this mail list. - - 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. - - 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. - - 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. - - 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. - - 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." - - 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. - - 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three". - - 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. - - 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. - - 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. - - 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. - - 37 empty posts. - - 250 debating the merits of magnetic light bulb filters. - - 3 giving you URLs for really sexy adult light bulbs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:51:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch >no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made >an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni >have? Hey Relay - you're tripping us out, man ;-) Kakki NP: Moby Grape - Hey Grandma ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:11:23 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 10:46:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211 writes: << Is this a joke? I hope so - although I have to admit, I don't get it. - Scott >> no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have? >> It's this type of opininated-ness that gets me in trouble. First of all, I always despised The Brady Bunch, and have been amazed in recent years, how it's become so popular. To me, the program was so trite, that an artist like Joni would be the last person I'd ever expect or want to see on this program. It just shocked me. Now, Davy Jones fits right in. Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a snob, but that's how I feel. Could you picture Joni and the kids singing The Circle Game? I don't even want to think about it. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:26:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: 60's (NJC) > Kakki, > You are not alone; I too went "sans drugs", was almost everywhere in the > 60's-early 70's, remember it AND ENJOYED IT.(thanks, Paul) > Darice > I was thinking about this today and realized that I too went through the 60s without ever touching marijuana. But then I was only 15 years old when the 60s ended. As a matter of fact, I didn't smoke anything till around 1973. I can still remember the first time, in the back seat of a VW beetle on a *cold* Iowa winter night, coughing my brains out & then later getting a near-terminal case of the giggles. Ok, Kakki, we covered the 60s. What about the 70s? Were you as clear-headed in the 'me decade' as you were in the swingin' 60s? I often wished back in those days that I had been born a few years earlier than I was. It always seemed like I missed something. The idealism & commitment to change was fading fast by the time I got to college. Not many seemed to care anymore. Sororities, frats & football had not yet come back into vogue (they were all pretty uncool at the U of Northern Iowa in the 70s) but there was not much interest in politics or trying to bring about social change. We still had the sexual freedom & the freedom to dress and do pretty much what we wanted. But nobody seemed to think much about what that meant or how those freedoms were gained. I used to listen to Peter Paul & Mary and Joan Baez and wish I had more of a purpose or direction for my life. I often still feel that way... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:19:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 60's (NJC) Mark asked: > Ok, Kakki, we covered the 60s. What about the 70s? Zippo, although I did try my first martini in late '76 ;-) > I often wished back in those days that I had been born a few >years earlier than I was. It always seemed like I missed >something. The idealism & commitment to change was >fading fast by the time I got to college. Not many seemed to >care anymore. Yeah, it was a nice, sweet slice while it lasted. The 70s seemed to me like a burned-out retreat from maybe too much collective disillusionment. I really mourned the passing from the "we" decade to the "me" decade. I saw a lot of very quick philosophical and political turnarounds in people. From "he ain't heavy, he's my brother", to "get it all while you can, right now". I'm sure there are lots of sociological explanations for the phenomenon. One factor - the post war baby boom peaked in the 60s. The sheer numbers of young people coming of age then was a very strong factor to be reckoned with. Teenagers and young adults were the majority segment of the population. Hard to imagine that we will ever see that unique demographic happen again anytime soon. Kakki NP: Moby Grape - Changes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:37:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch Relayer asked: "no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have?" I dunno... Maybe because Joni is more highly evolved than Monkees? :) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:46:17 -0700 From: Slac Subject: (NJC? You decide) Weed and Dickens Cider Some of us wouldn't be here today if it weren't for Marijuana and comic relief...and some of us have some quality of life with weed that we would not have without it...we know who we are ;~) "...You battle on with the love you're living on You gotta be mine We take it away it's Got to be night and day Just a matter of time...and We got nothin' to be guilty of Our love will climb every mountain Near or far we are and We never let it end We are devotion..."-belted by Streisand and Gibb Walk with me: I suffered three life threatening complications of a perforated intestine (itself a complication of a 32 year illness for which I have had four previous surgeries) this winter...I was falling, falling, falling, the sky exploded and I flew...I became a falcon sans falconer ;~) I was out there flying all painfree ease and peace for three weeks...I died and now I'm back although I wasn't sent back...go figure! Why would I come back when I could have stayed? I must be NUTS! ...I have something to do: I have something to say. I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING/HEARING HERE...STOP FIGHTING!!! Your war on drugs is a war on the most vulnerable members of your societies...SHAME ON YOU! Who are you people to judge? What are your qualifications! Where is your sense of justice? Compassion? Humour? magnanimity? (Grammar police: I don't give a shit if that ain't a real word };~) Is it better to eat or not eat? What do you think happens when you aren't able to eat? Have IQ's suddenly dropped while I've been gone? (I stole that from Sigourney Weaver's Ripley ;~) How many of you take painfree eating for granted? Do you wimps even know you have guts? Is it better to self-medicate with Marijuana or Morphine? Get all your facts in and your priorities straight...I rest my case you narrow Dickens Cider asses...GI Jane says "suck my dick!" Must be the Irish blood ;~D I love you ALL...even ric ;~D but you piss me off! You're all gonna get here one day...think about it... Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) Wally man; didn't I tell you I'm stubborn and tenacious? :~D Wherever you are flying tonight baby, this one's for you ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:45:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch << It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearence on that show sometime when the show ran from 1969 through 1974. >> Relayer, you absolutely crack me up! Yes, she should of been a Brady, I can just hear Jan fussing about "Joni, Joni, Joni"...and hey, they DID record a record or two, right? Joni could have helped them out. Of course, The Partridge Family was on right after that, and Joni would have definitely fit in there, playing the part of Susan Dey's big Sis. Then she could show up on "Love, American Style", in an episode called 'Love & The Confessional Poet'. :~) Speaking of surreal Joni connections on TV, she ACTUALLy WAS on the Tom Jones Show in 1970, alas, no duet with Tom...THAT would have totally rocked the house! Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "The Boy Can't Help It" PS: If the Brady's or The Partridges did any Joni covers, I want 'em! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:11:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 7/24/00 11:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << Relayer, you absolutely crack me up! Yes, she should of been a Brady, I can just hear Jan fussing about "Joni, Joni, Joni"...and hey, they DID record a record or two, right? Joni could have helped them out. >> well,one of my favorite singer's on one of my favorite's sitcoms...it's a nice fantasy!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:58:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: NJC test test ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:30:01 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Lead Balloon Someone recently asked what "Lead Balloon" was about, and I found this in the JMDL articles today: Lady of the Canyon written by: Flanagan, Bill originally published by: Vanity Fair publication date: June 1997 The Fez is connected to a restaurant, the Time Cafe, where Mitchell had dinner reservations. While she and her large party ate at a table against the wall, Fez patrons began lining up to see the Joni Mitchell imitator. They did double takes, triple takes, and craned their necks as they passed the real Joni Mitchell. "You know what those people are thinking?" I whispered to the original Mitchell. "Boy, that guy is really good." "I've written a rock song," Mitchell told the table. "It's called 'Lead Balloon.' I wrote it for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It begins, 'You can kiss my ass."' The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, under steady pressure from The New York Times, had finally voted Mitchell in. She had not decided if she would show up for the induction in May. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it makes sense? Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:33:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Joni reference Noticed this in a Stephen King book I was re-reading over the weekend. From "Hearts In Atlantis": "For awhile, I think it was between Woodstock and Kent State, we thought we were something else, but we weren't." "We thought we were stardust," Skip said. Almost with a straight face. "We thought we were golden," I agreed, laughing. "And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden." "Lean over, hippie-boy," Skip said, and I did. It would take too long to explain the context of the text above, but it's the first time I've seen a Joni reference by Stephen King - he also mentions CSNY in the same book, but not in a very nice way! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #413 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?