From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #408 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, July 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 408 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: listening to joni when stoned ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) [catman ] Attention Coupon Junkies (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: number two: Laura N [B Merrill ] RE: Number Two, &..Kate NJC [B Merrill ] Re: listening to joni when stoned [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] RE: listening to joni when stoned [Don Rowe ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) [catman ] Re: #2 ["P. Henry" ] Closet ABBA fans come out ["P. Henry" ] Second to none (long) ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Class Song (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come out [RandyRemote ] Joni thread Re: Number Two, &... Kate Bush ["Belew Girl" ] Re: listening to joni when stoned ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Yvette In English ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Close second to Joni --- Jimmie Spheeris ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Kate,Joni & TNT [bill@l3r.com] Re: listening to joni when stoned [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Closet ABBA fans come outNJC [catman ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come outNJC [catman ] For you office personnel NJC [catman ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: listening to joni when stoned [catman ] Marcel takes the plunge [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Marcel takes the plunge [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Closet ABBA fans come out NJC ["Steve Mitchell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:41:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: listening to joni when stoned in my case, it sounds a lot better when it is I the one that is high. wallyk > >> > Yes, her music sounds much better to me when you are high. > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:53:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (njc) Paul wrote: > "Stoned Soul Picnic," Wedding Bell Blues" (which starts >with "Bill, I Love You So, I Always Will"), "Eli's Coming," >"And When I Die," "Sweet Blindness" and "Stoney End" >were all hits for those above-listed artists. And she also wrote and sang my favorite "anthem" of the 60s - "Save The Country" "I got fury in my soul, fury's going to take me to the glory goal, in my mind I can't study war no more....we could build the dream with love, I know, we could build the dream with love" Just hearing it in my head after all these years still gets to me like the first listen. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:22:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) > "Adventures of > Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" is a favorite movie :~) what about Muriel's Wedding? Beautiful Thing?(no ABBA content) > > > Jimmy - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:22:21 +0100 From: "catman" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kakki To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Laura Nyro (njc) > Paul wrote: > > > "Stoned Soul Picnic," Wedding Bell Blues" (which starts >with "Bill, I > Love You So, I Always Will"), "Eli's Coming," >"And When I Die," "Sweet > Blindness" and "Stoney End" >were all hits for those above-listed artists. > > And she also wrote and sang my favorite "anthem" of the 60s - "Save The > Country" > > "I got fury in my soul, fury's going to take me to the glory goal, in my > mind I can't study war no more....we could build the dream with love, I > know, we could build the dream with love" > > Just hearing it in my head after all these years still gets to me like the > first listen. > > Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:17:25 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Attention Coupon Junkies (NJC) What's happened to all the coupon junkies on this list? I thought someone would have reported the following: AMAZON: Save $10 on a $20 order Code: HARRYPTTRSPC BARNES & NOBLE Save $10 on a $30 order Code: POPCORN Note that you can always get $10 on a $40 order coupons for Barnes & Noble. I occasionally update them on my website at: http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/ Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:43:27 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: number two: Laura N william wrote: >As for number twos - Rickie Lee Jones (surely) followed closely by Joan >Armatrading. Are we talking women here? If not, Bob's your uncle. Laura >Nyro? - Excuse my ignorance. I recently read a biography on David Geffen >who, in his early machinations, promoted Laura Nyro. How come I (most >people) have never heard anything of hers? Does she have a greatest "hit" >that could possible jog my memory? You have to be an oldster to remember how jaw dropping it was when Laura came out with "Ely and the 13th confession." She was the first true female singer songwriter who sought her own path... There is now a 2CD compilation, "Stoned Soul Picnic." Tell Santa to put it under your tree. Given that title, you are of course permitted to listen to this with a big spliff at hand, but a judicious glass of white wine may prove just as enjoyable. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:36:01 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: RE: Number Two, &..Kate NJC patrick leader wrote: >oh, there are plenty of kate fans on this list. like bruce merrill, i think >the dreaming is a great album and underrated but i don't think it's out of >print. Well, I'm pretty sure it's no longer sold at CDNow... so I think it's gone. So grab it when you see it. i also think 'hounds of love' is more brilliant; it's one of my top >5 albums of all time. Over at Kate-L, where I used to hang, there was a running argument between Dreaming and Hounds as her apex. IMO: Dreaming, by 6 yards. >>Also she has that wacky integrity (like refusing to perform in the >>U.S.) >um, unless i'm mistaken, kate bush hasn't performed live anywhere since >1980, not just the u.s. so as an united statesian, i didn't feel too >dissed. am i wrong about that? She didn't perform here essentially because she doesn't fly (in airplanes.) Now she doesn't perform at all, for other reasons. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:36:56 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned In a message dated 7/20/00 6:18:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << But then just about any music I liked sounded great when under the influence of wacky weed. >> My favorite was the Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers. Thank God that's over! No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: listening to joni when stoned Oh brother! Where do I start on this thread from the thrilling days of yesteryear ... Best Joni song when high: The Chinese Cafe Runner Up: My Secret Place Best Stoner's Joni Album: Hissing Of Summer Lawns, that is, if you can withstand the psychic implosion of The Jungle Line, or in the right circumstances, keep your clothes on long enough to get to the end of "In France They Kiss On Mainstreet." ;-D Joni songs I've never heard when stoned, but would like to: Night Ride Home, Harlem In Havana, Nothing Can Be Done, A Case of You (BSN version), Tiger Bones, Passion Play, Come In From The Cold Age and responsibility -- wretched, horrible things ... Thanks for the trip (ha!) down memory lane. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) Okay, am I the only person who still has, and PLAYS their 12" single of "The Visitors"? Come on, don't leave me out in this wind to twist! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:11:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) I don't have 12" but I do have the whole album and play it. Don Rowe wrote: > Okay, am I the only person who still has, and PLAYS > their 12" single of "The Visitors"? Come on, don't > leave me out in this wind to twist! ;-D > > Don Rowe > > ===== > "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." > > -- Shelby Foote > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:15:13 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out (NJC) In a message dated 7/21/00 10:52:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << Okay, am I the only person who still has, and PLAYS their 12" single of "The Visitors"? Come on, don't leave me out in this wind to twist! ;-D >> "I....have...been....wai....ting....for....these...visitors......" Yes there is at least one other out here who understands and appreciates. At the height of my enthusiasm for this track, friends would actually remove it from the turntable mid-song they hated it so much. And once at a dance in '91, I hounded the DJ to play the 12" version, and when he finally did, IT CLEARED THE DANCEFLOOR! Is it us or them? Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:26:00 -0600 From: Kate Subject: bsn t-shirts You know, I am coveting one of those BSN t-shirts. Was expecting them to be available at the Mendel and was disappointed when they weren't. I want the French-kissing one,actually. Not officially BSN, is it? Anyway, next time there is a concert, I am going to commission someone out there to pick one up for me, okay? This should be labelled NJC, but if I do that it may not be seen by people who get the Joni-only posts, and I am not sure who that is, so please forgive me this once, you guys. I wanted to tell Rick and Mary that our second vcr is on the fritz so I haven't been able to copy my Come In From the Cold video for them yet, and to say that if there were NJC replies to any of my posts about feminism, I wouldn't have seen them, since I am an only-Joni'er -- so it's not that I am ignoring you. Bit of a dilemma there - can't finish what I started. OH well. I don't generally care to argue these points for long, once I find out where others stand and have said my piece. To each his own. I have fallen behind in replying to my email but at the back of my mind I seem to recall someone asking me how old Emil is -- he turned 12 on June 21. To everyone he saw for the first week after our trip to the Mendel, he said "Did you know I got to meet Joni Mitchell?" He was very pleased with himself and I was very grateful to Joni for taking the time for him. I do suspect she was bored to tears at his "conversation" -- after all, she was there for her paintings and he only mentioned them once -- but she was kind and patient with him, and I now have an extra soft spot for her because of that. Off to work I go. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:40:48 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: #2 the best I could possibly do for a brief response to this is to name my current favorite which is, without a moments hesitation, Martin Sexton! I was first introduced to him when a best friend whom I'd shared much of my love for Joni with made me a 'check this out' tape in the spirit of sharing music you think the other would like. having forgotten the artists name, if he even told me, as soon as we parted, I listened, liked it, put it on a shelf, mixed it in with other music I listened to as I did my writing, listened some more and one day realized that this tape was the only thing that regularly made it to my stereo and that I was now in the mode of always coming back to it. (ok, well I *intended* this to be brief) it was about that time I decided I'd better get back to my pal and ask just who this was whose lyrics I'd already memorized from sheer repetition and it turned out it was his 'Black Sheep' album... now I know I shaed all this once before but since then one of our own listers generously shared a tape tree style live tape of him with me that was exquisite and told me I really ought to get his newer cd, 'The American', to which I responded that I wanted to but I didn't because I just... loved... Black Sheep SO much I didn't want to be let down. well, folks, I finally went and got the cd and the rest is history! against all odds, one of the few times it's happened in my life, WAY unlikely as much as I love the first album, I gotta say, it's true, 'The American' is even better!!! my introduction to Joni was unlike most listers but I'm sure all the same characteristics were/are there for those who became acquainted with her through her recordings... playing her over and over... more than anyone else... her music becoming 'the base'... well that's my take on Martin. so much for brevity... ;o) here's some samples: http://www.martinsexton.com/music.phtml and hi tour schedule: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performer=Sexton%2cMartin cheers, pat NP: Glory Bound - M.S. http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ ps - oh wow! talk about synchronicity! this email update came in *while* I was writing the above!!! and they don't even come out regularly! unbelievable!: "Greetings fellow Club members! A while back, when I first discovered the Bulletin Board on Martin Sexton's official website, I dreamt of obtaining and trading live shows with other fans. My dream was realized (thank you all who have so generously participated) but soon I decided it wasn't enough to only trade for what's already out there. I wanted everyone - whenever they wanted - to experience the sheer joy of listening to Martin 'live'.... I continued to dream....if only Martin would allow us to tape his concerts - we could preserve and trade every show and we could spread his remarkable live talent to the masses. And now, Martin and his management have granted our wish. They have bestowed upon us, the fans, the gift of TAPING! Yes, that's right (drum roll please) we have been invited to tape the shows and trade on. TAPING will begin with the Fall 2000 'Wonder Bar' tour. (October) A hearty thank you to all those who helped to pave the way by sharing the existing live tapes, by emailing the Club to suggest taping privileges and by posting comments to the Bulletin Board. Martin has heard us....and has granted this privilege of TAPING. The TAPING policy will be posted to the News page at http://www.martinsexton.com Please read and learn the TAPING policy. Official releases are NOT to be traded under any circumstances, nor are any official 'Live' releases that may be forthcoming. Remember, TAPING is a privilege, NOT a right, and as such, can be revoked should the policy be disregarded. I'm diggin' me, diggin' you, diggin' me, diggin' Martin for doing this for us. Your humble Club servant, Jon Blanchard 'jontherev@farts.com'" Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:59:13 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Closet ABBA fans come out paul (among others) confessed: >I admit it too.> all I can say is that few Americans realize just how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:03:39 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Second to none (long) What a fun thread. For me it is almost impossible to name a definitive second to Joni as I first started listening to her music when I was 10 years old. She may have been second to the Monkees, Bobby Sherman, the Partridge Family, or they first to her. My taste in music was also influenced by growing up in Detroit, where the Supremes, Temps & Tops, Marvin, Smokey, Stevie, 'Retha, the Fifth Dimension (my first concert), and the Jackson 5 had huge airplay. As I grew through the decades my seconds changed. I went through my Beatles period, the White Album held reign on my turntable for many moons. The Who also had their turn, with Quadrophenia. Jethro Tull, Yes, and Zeppelin are grouped together as I loved them all equally. During the whole songwriter decade of the 70's James, Carole, S & G, Carly and Jackson were always around. How many copies of Tapestry have I owned in my lifetime? I admit that my high school years sometimes caved in to peer pressure where music was concerned. The hair bands like Boston, Journey, Foreigner, Van Halen flooded my cassette deck. I did turn most of my friends on to Fleetwood Mac and Steely Dan, though. It was very hard to get my classmates to choose "Chair in the Sky" as our official Senior Song. Needless to say, we ended up with "Runnin' With the Devil". The 80's brought me joys like Joan Armatriading, Rickie Lee Jones, REM, Elvis Costello, Pat Metheny, Police/Sting, Prince, 10,000 Maniacs, Stevie Ray Vaughn. The 90's Tracy Chapman, Natalie Merchant, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Ben Folds Five, Dave Matthews Band, Lisa Loeb, Toad the Wet Sprocket, David Lahm. What remains, though, is my love of Joni's journey throughout her career. Since I first discovered her music I have been along for the ride of my life. She has never failed to expose me to new ideas and concepts in both lyric and music. What a lesson she has taught this eager pupil. NP: Local radio station where I am trying to win tickets to see Tracy Chapman *wish me luck* Sue Cameron....19 days and counting to England and UKFest! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:38:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Class Song (NJC) Suze wrote: << It was very hard to get my classmates to choose "Chair in the Sky" as our official Senior Song. Needless to say, we ended up with "Runnin' With the Devil". >> That made me start thinking what our senior class song was, which I suppose would have been the same as our prom theme. It was Elton John's "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"......ahhhh the memories. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) Phyliss wrote: > "Right now I'd have to say my #2 is Jonatha Brooke. > This is despite the fact that she is new to me (only > discovered her in the past year) and I only have > her 2 solo studio CDs." Paz wrote: > Do yourself a favour and get the live one as > well. I like it best of all. It is a wonderful > sounding album for being live. I discovered > thanks to some of the sluts right here on the > jmdl ... Jonatha is currently my #2, too! And I agree with Paz regarding the live CD, which I bought at Jonatha's concert (and got autographed) last year in New Jersey, ticket courtesy of one of my favorite JMDL sluts, Brian Gross! (Thanks again, Bri!) The recording and song selection are terrific, and the between-song banter is fun. I am SO stoked ... this coming Thursday, July 27, I get to see/hear Jonatha open for Joan Armatrading (my longtime #2) at Wolf Trap in VA! Mary and I have seats in Row U -- not as close as I'd like, but I ain't complaining! Anyone else from the JMDL going? Jonatha has a neat website, if you're interested: http://www.jonathabrooke.com Cheers, Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:17:25 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out "P. Henry" wrote: > > all I can say is that few Americans realize just > how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... > REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! > > pat Not so much we don't realize it, just can't believe it... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:35:29 EDT From: "Belew Girl" Subject: Joni thread Re: Number Two, &... Kate Bush Re: Number Two, &... >What's #2 next to Joni's Hissing, I'd say >Kate's "The Dreaming." I agree :) The Dreaming is one of my very favorite albums!! >(I believe it's now out of print, which >demonstrates that there is no justice in this world.) No... The Dreaming is very much still available!! :) ******************************************************* And: >At 06:31 PM 07/19/2000 EDT, PPeterson4@aol.com wrote: >My nominee for Number Two: > >Kate Bush >- -- who hasn't released an album in donkey's years. Hey Kate, what's up?? This was just posted on the Ecto list (the Happy Rhodes newsletter, similar to this one) about Kate Bush.... (PS. For those of you who love Kate, as well as Joni, you would LOVE Happy Rhodes!! She's beyond words here...) Kate writes: "A number of inaccurate comments have been made about me in recent articles which I am taking further. I just want everyone to know I am very happy and proud to have such a beautiful son, Bertie - he is absolutely gorgeous. Far from being secretive, I am just trying to be a good protective mother and give him as normal a childhood as possible whilst preserving his privacy - surely everyone can understand that. I am having great fun being a Mum as well as working on a new album" . . . For more accurate info, take a look at this url: http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katenews.htm So seems the delay with Kate is that she had a baby! Hope this answers any pondering questions.. Still in happy shock, Suzanne (: ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:32:44 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: number two Number two's have always been a difficult choice for me. It always has been Joni at number 1 and everyone else is an also ran. So my also rans are: David Gray (current favourite) Rickie Lee Jones Suzanne Vega Shawn Colvin Charles Mingus I have been listening a lot to two soundtracks. I don't buy them as a rule but I saw 'Topsy Turvy' at the cinema and was inspired by the final aria to get the whole CD. Also Magnolia by Aimee Mann. These two haven't left the pile of CDs being listened to by the table for 2 weeks Jamie Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:24:20 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned Dreamland certainly does. I was a little naughty cigarette when I played Dreamland on headphones (HDCD version on a normal stereo CD player with big earphones) and it was certainly very hypnotic. Haven't tried anything else with anything else.... Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 21 July 2000 01:43 Subject: listening to joni when stoned > > > I never listened to Joni when I was stoned.Does anyone think her > music sounds better when your high? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:36:30 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Yvette In English I love this song and haven't had anything new to say about it until today when I was listening to it on my headphones.... It's the way she says 'Sidelong glances what a wary little stray/ she sticks in his mind like that!' You can really hear the fact that she's in her home studio singing (I think) It sounds that way anyway, just on an acoustic level (I dunno, Martin Giles might have something to say on this). There is a quality of echo or reverb that isn't present in any other song she sings. I can just hear the wall. I don't know why. It makes the song special to me for that reason, like she was singing it yesterday at home and she lent you the tape. Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:32:05 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Close second to Joni --- Jimmie Spheeris Any glowing description of Joni's music could easily be re-applied to Jimmie Spheeris' music. In fact, Joni admired his music. If you only purchased one of his albums, it would be 'Isle of View' which can be found at www.rainrecords.com . . . . it is an unbelievable masterpiece which was far, far ahead of its time. Spheeris was killed by a drunk driver when he was returning home from completing that evening what would be his last album in 1983. His friends have fought hard to have his music released from Sony vaults (horror stories and all). That is why it is currently only available at rainrecords.com, but through their hard fought efforts will be available in record stores soon. The music, his life and the revival of his music was featured recently on National Public Radio - Weekend Edition. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:02:41 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out In a message dated 7/21/00 2:07:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << paul (among others) confessed: >I admit it too.> all I can say is that few Americans realize just how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! pat >> Yeah? Well, soccer is popular in the rest of the world, too, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I think they are equally dull. Not bothering with asbetos clothing because I am flameproof~! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:33:49 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) OK guys! I hear ya! I ordered the Live CD this morning using one of Alan's coupons for Amazon.com. Thanks again Alan! Later I was looking at Jonatha's website and noticed that if you buy the CD driectly from her it comes autographed. If you buy two, she'll throw in a poster too. Oh well, live and learn. Maybe I'll get mine autographed when Kakki, Rick and I see her in LA on August 1...I'm very excited! > Phyliss wrote: > > "Right now I'd have to say my #2 is Jonatha Brooke. > > This is despite the fact that she is new to me (only > > discovered her in the past year) and I only have > > her 2 solo studio CDs." > > Then Paz wrote: > > > Do yourself a favour and get the live one as > > well. I like it best of all. It is a wonderful > > sounding album for being live. I discovered > > thanks to some of the sluts right here on the > > jmdl ... and"Lori R. Fye" chimed in > Jonatha is currently my #2, too! And I agree with Paz > regarding the live CD, > Jonatha has a neat website, if you're interested: > http://www.jonathabrooke.com - -- Phyliss np Bruce Cockburn - Breakfast in New Orleans...the mail fairy just brought it (another coupon for Best Buy) and lo and behold it has a little Jonatha content!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) Phyliss wrote: > Maybe I'll get mine autographed when Kakki, > Rick and I see her in LA on August 1...I'm very > excited! Chances are ... Jonatha will do it! When Brian and I saw her in NJ last November, she was very gracious about staying long after her performance, until the very last of us had a chance to meet her. (Brian and I were next-to-last, and we were doubly blessed when she showed up much later in the impromptu coffee shop on the venue grounds.) I don't know if Mary and I will be as lucky next week since Jonatha is opening for Joan A., but I plan to give it a shot. Of course, Jonatha is extra pleased if you buy "product" (her term) at her show! I rarely buy t-shirts anymore, but I think I'll make an exception this time, and plan to buy another CD as well. Cheers, Lori in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:41 -0700 From: bill@l3r.com Subject: Kate,Joni & TNT Hi All, First post,but i feel i know you all. Kate Bush(sometimes No2,always top 5)has,according to the Daily Rags in the UK last week,been spending her time recently being a mother!!! she gave birth over a year ago to a boy,called 'Bertie' by her guitarist/boyfriend Danny McIntosh(who played on The Red Shoes) certainly news to us Bush fans,including the boyfriend bit ! can anyone on the list enlighten me on a Joni b**t i have. recorded live in Toronto,Canada,September 23 1994 and called 'Just Ice' does anyone know the venue for that date - great quality,just Joni & guitar finally,how do us UK listers go about getting hold of TNT videos,cds and the like ? Bill - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:18:46 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned I was high as a Georgia pine when I heard Blue for the first time in college. I cried, cause it was all too beautiful. Still is. Still is. That kind of attitude adjustment accentuated the song "Woodstock" for me, too. I wonder if the stuff helped Joni write that one. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:45:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come outNJC > > > Yeah? Well, soccer is popular in the rest of the world, too, but that doesn't > mean I have to like it. Yes American 'football' is so much better, has the appearence of being really macho. Rugby on the other hand is the real thing.To play rugby you have to be a real man , really big, and wear just shorts and a top. No hellemts and padding for those men. No siree, they like it real. > I think they are equally dull. > > Not bothering with asbetos clothing because I am flameproof~! > > Paul I - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:00:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come outNJC "P. Henry" wrote: > paul (among others) confessed: > > >I admit it too.> > > all I can say is that few Americans realize just > how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... > REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! Huge is right, but into the 80's too until they split in 82 or3. I think they outsold the Beatles. They wrote excellent pop music. Of course they weren't rated by the music pseuds but who gives a toss! certainly not the millions of us who enjoyed them. Now of course, the hip music pseuds do rate them because it has become hip to like them. They had tunes. Some sad. Most just fubn and you could sing along to all of them. Dancing Queen, their only tacky one, became a No1 in the USA. Really, you ought to study their lyrics. So profound. The sheer genius of Gimmme Gimme Gimmme ...a man after midnight. sigh. they touched the hearts of a horny generation. like Voulez Vous-ha ha , ha ha. Like how deep can you get? We know it was deep and meaningful. Why? Cos it was French weren't it? We didn't know what f**k it meant but we knew it was special. And who could forget 'take a chance take a chance take a chance chance chance'? What rythm. And 'money, money, money, must be funny, in a rich man's world'. Man they touched the very root of us all. And best of all, you didn't need a college eductaion to understand them. I suggest if Joni wants world recognition and a monster hit, she should do for her next album an ABBA tribute. Then people will stand up and take notice. > > > pat > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:03:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: For you office personnel NJC It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will be no longer be tolerated. We do however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore, a list of "TRY SAYING" new phrases has been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner without risk of offending our more sensitive employees. TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. INSTEAD OF: And when the fuck do you expect me to do this? TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible. INSTEAD OF: No fucking way TRY SAYING: Really? INSTEAD OF: You've got to be shitting me! TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a shit. TRY SAYING: Of course I'm concerned. INSTEAD OF: Ask me if I give a shit. TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project. INSTEAD OF: It's not my fucking problem. TRY SAYING: That's interesting. INSTEAD OF: What the fuck? TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented. INSTEAD OF: This shit won't work. TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. INSTEAD OF: Why the hell didn't you tell me sooner? TRY SAYING: Are you sure this is a problem? INSTEAD OF: Who the hell cares? TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues. INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his ass. TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir? INSTEAD OF: Eat shit and die. TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? INSTEAD OF: Kiss my ass. TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment. INSTEAD OF: Fuck it, I'm on salary. TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your ass. TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. INSTEAD OF: This job sucks. TRY SAYING: I see. INSTEAD OF: Blow me. TRY SAYING: Yes, we really should discuss it. INSTEAD OF: Another fucking meeting! TRY SAYING: I don't think this will be a problem. INSTEAD OF: I really don't give a shit. TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. INSTEAD OF: He's a prick. TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter. INSTEAD OF: She's a ball-busting bitch. TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the fuck you're doing. Thank You, Human Resources - -- Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) - --- Phyliss Ward wrote: > OK guys! I hear ya! I ordered the Live CD this morning using one of > Alan's coupons for Amazon.com. Thanks again Alan! Later I was looking > at Jonatha's website and noticed that if you buy the CD driectly from > her it comes autographed. If you buy two, she'll throw in a poster > too. Oh well, live and learn. Maybe I'll get mine autographed when > Kakki, Rick and I see her in LA on August 1...I'm very excited! Weel, we have Terry Matlen to tahnk for turning us all on to Jonatha in the first place. Thanks Terry!! And when (not if) you meet Jonatha after her show (you luckyo dogs!!), please remind her that you're from the JMDL, that's where her copy of the Joni's Jazz tapes came from when Lori and I saw her on 10/29/99 in Elmer NJ. And I have the autographed poster hanging here on my office wall. Later everyone, Brian np: Tomasso Albinoni, Adagio G minor (unbelievably moving piece of music) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:43:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned This is a terribly bad example we are setting here you know. Listen folks, there are some young and impressionable people on this list. What happened to JUST SAY NO? Nancy put a lot of effort into thatReally, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. And just remember this-just how private is email? How do you know there isn't going to be a knock on your door? How do you know you aren't being traced as we speak? And with all that sophistcated stuff they have nowadays, where you going to hide your stash if they do come a knocking? Flush it? They can get it out. Even if you pretend you are NOT stoned, assuming you can get rid of that stupid grin, and even if you put on shades, there is always a blood test. And then where will you be? Right. taht's it. Right on the front page. On that Most Wanted on the tv. Won't your Mama be heartbroken? Didn't she teach you better? Now you can get LIFE. Yes LIFE for just a teeny weeny bit of weed. Three puffs and your out. Locked up. banged up for good. And that won't be all that's banged up for good. oh no. And there'll be this huge tattooed monster with broken teeth and scars and a huge, really humungous......um boil and I'll have to be his bitch. Just for that little bit of weed. oh God, the showers. Oh I've heard about them. Oh pleeeease. I can't not shower for the rest of my life. I'll stink and then no one will like me and and and -I'll get fungus and then my toes will rot and what if it gets to my - oh my-oh God how will I pee? all my bits will drop off and I'll get ugly and no one will love me anymore and I will die bit by bit and they'll bury me in lots of little boxes and I will be alone and then God will cast me into darkness for all eternity all because I had a little poof, I mean puff.... I mean...um...what was I saying?..oh yeah man this jam and pickle sandwich is soooo good... god anyone wanna order in Chinese?... no man I can't I'll laugh and then they'll know we're stoned and then everyone will know and they'll send the police and then ...and then... and then....put some music on-she's the bollocks you know-man no one even touches her...who?...yeah her you know who i mean.. the one that sung um..you know...three sides up...no big yellow hiar. yeah that was it...monster hit.. married to that guy... you know...that fat mud guy...big hit...all about beatty..... Oh, those were days! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:12:23 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Which live album is better:MOI or S&L? Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > Which one is better,do you think? Ive always had a great attachment to Miles of Aisles. always. Mags. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:23:37 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out I wrote: >>all I can say is that few Americans realize just how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! pat >> IVPAUL42 responded: >Yeah? Well, soccer is popular in the rest of the world, too, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I think they are equally dull. Not bothering with asbetos clothing because I am flameproof~! Paul I > yeah, the kind of shit you say to people sometimes, you MUST be! LoL! I'm not a fan of theirs either, paul, and no one is suggest you should be either. (Dancing Queen was ok for dance music but the Mama's and the Papa's were about as close as I ever got to liking the sound of a 4 prong 2M-2F vocal and even they were a little thick for me at times.) I was just commenting on how so many statesiders, like you and I, turn our noses up at them quite unaware that, in fact, they set records that *still* haven't been broken and, along with Phil Collins and Genesis, dominated pretty much all of post-Beatles Europe! on the rock side, another huge Euro-star who went all but unsung on US shores was the wild Irishman, Rory Gallagher, though I think he had one minor hit (Take It Easy Baby(?)) with his band, Taste, just after they toured the US, opening for Blind Faith in '69. his album "Live! In Europe" earned platinum sales and Melody Maker's "Musician of the Year" Award in '72 and in '76, when he also did his 10th and last American tour, Rory became the first artist to perform on a Eurovision television transmission ***to over one hundred million people***!!! I saw him play three times when I lived over there in the early '70's and I think he was the greatest blues-rock guitarist that ever took the stage, including Clapton! sorry, guess I got a bit carried away there. I think I'm still kinda in the mode of my post from last week about US chauvinism and how I think it is wise to broaden our scope a bit to include more than just the American perspective, seeing as this list is really international... :o) cheers, pat NP: Messin` With The Kid - RG http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:14:16 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Marcel takes the plunge I was in Rasputin flipping through the used CDs bin and there it was. Staring up at me with its icky garish cover of Joni looking like an anorexic flippo.Surrounded by luminescent dogs. the Album Don Rowe first told me about. That he loved so much he kept it in his pants and under his pillow. $2.99. Uh oh. I knew I couldnt pass up a Joni album at that price. There are only a couple I dont have. This is one of them. So I asked if there was anything wrong with it other than the music on it and was told "No, its just been around here for awhile. We're trying to get rid of it." Ah ha. I said. I knew it. I had avoided this moment for two years now. there was always another album that i would buy and I would pass it up. Hands shaking I reached into my pocket and lo and behold I had only three one dollar bills left. I said i dont have enough for the tax and the gut said "thats cool". So its now in my car CD player. Im going to listen to it for two weeks and then do a song by song review. For better or worse. The truth will set me free. Will I like it or will it fulfill all the critics jabs. Tune in next week for " Dog Eat Dog-Revenge of the 80's"......(Intro to Bethovens 5th) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:21:54 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Marcel takes the plunge Very cute Marcel! I'll be waiting breathless... MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Im going to listen to it for two weeks and then do a song by song review.For > better or worse. The truth will set me free.Will I like it or will it fulfill > all the critics jabs. Tune in next week for" Dog Eat Dog-Revenge of the > 80's"......(Intro to Bethovens 5th) - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:48:59 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out NJC What an interesting thread! I have always liked ABBA songs and have many of the albums (both on vinyl & CD). At the end of April, I went to see the West End production of "Mamma Mia" (it's NOT about ABBA, but uses their songs to express the feelings that the protagonists in the play are experiencing or have experienced). This, coincidentally, was on the afternoon following my break-up with my boyfriend of three and a half years (not the happiest of days really, but the tickets are like hen's teeth to get hold of and I was going with a crowd of people from work). During the course of the show, one of the most poignant songs was S.O.S, a snatch of the lyrics are: But something died I fear. Whatever happened to our love? I wish I understood. It used to be so nice. It used to be so good . . . I was thankful that the house lights were down and the music was loud as I sobbed uncontrollably. So, now to the point! Music means a lot to people because of the associations that it has for them. I have been heartbroken with Hejira, confident with C&S, spent summer with STAS, happy with HOSL and outdone by ABBA! (Sorry, I couldn't think of a suitable alliteration for the last one!) Also, I thought that ABBA's music was perfect for Muriel's Wedding and Priscilla, Queen of the Desert! - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: 21 July 2000 00:43 Subject: Closet ABBA fans come out > I admit it too. > > Paul Peterson > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:58:32 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Single Gender Marriage Mark wrote a very sensible reply to Jim's questions and ended with: > However too many are not blessed in this way as others have already > written. We should have the right to marry. It's the only decent > thing to do, to grant us that right. To quote Joni from "My Old Man" We don't need a piece of paper from the City Hall Keeping us tied and true . . . But it would be nice to have the choice and the right! - -- Stevie > However too many are not blessed in this way as others have already > written. We should have the right to marry. It's the only decent > thing to do, to grant us that right. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:19:59 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Closet ABBA fans come out NJC I agree about the associations that are made with songs. S.O.S. has always been one of my favorite melancholy pop songs. I will always associate the song with my night in a little gay bar in Luebeck, Germany in '75. I was standing by the juke box trying to choose a song and this sweet rentboy who'd been sitting at the bar with an equally sweet old man came over and asked me to play S.O.S. He'd come up from Hamburg and had taken a kind of refuge in the place (it was called the Herzbube - Jack of Hearts). I think he just wanted to talk to someone his own age and this was his favorite song. I remember looking down at his sleeve and seeing blood on the cuff and wondering what trouble he'd seen that night. I never found out. But I always think of him when I hear that song. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:31:34 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Marcel and DED Marcel said, bravely: >> Im going to listen to it for two weeks and then do a song by song review. For better or worse. The truth will set me free. Will I like it or will it fulfill all the critics jabs. Tune in next week for " Dog Eat Dog-Revenge of the 80's"......(Intro to Bethovens 5th) << Marcel... Try to put what the critics said out of your mind... consider what she's trying to say with this music, you know Joni's usually pretty succinct in her delivery of the "point." What I took away from the songs on DED was an editorial of the state of our society in the 80's. She was being critical of the way society and the media were being blasι in sensationalizing the real news and fabricating sensational news to feed the masses. Television was full of pompous, pretentiously pious preachers in pompadours; thinly veiled right-wingers. Cocaine was rampant ("Lie down, Teeth chatter, Heart pounds, I don't feel so good"). We were being fed sex to sell products more openly than ever and in the midst of the glamour-age and excess was this travesty "Ethiopia." At the time DED was released, much of the day's music, generally, had become "canned." Joni was utilizing the trend in electronic synthesizers and some programmed drums to punctuate her editorial. Listen to "Ethiopia," yes, it's an electric piano sound, but damn, it was somewhat reminiscent of the FTR piano chording, spare and stirring. The cigarette machine rhythms on Smokin' were innovative and interesting. The horns throughout are clear and cutting. The counterpoint of Rod Steiger spouting his rhetoric to her commentary on the state of evangelism was very poignant. It's apparent throughout DED that Larry Klein was hugely influential on this particular release, it's more commercial than a lot of her other music "Good Friends" got a ton of airplay while the balance of the music was, once again, largely ignored. The critics (since when have we been influenced by their opinions of her music?), felt she had gone overboard with her electronics. Many people thought the Fairlight was a sort of droning, boring sound and the sampled percussion and drums was a sell-out to technology but there's a lot going on inside those electronics. "The Three Great Stimulants" does use a programmed drum track, it sounds like a tick...tick... ticking driving us in the background and allows the "real" drums to take the foreground when they kick in. Not too many drummers could keep the relentless pace of that ticking through a 6+ minute track, so programmed drums do have their place! Joni's lyrics have always spoken to me, when DED came out I thought I was a disco queen, dressed in my leotard and danskin wrap-around skirt, dancing, cocaine-snorting, out every night partying; DED touched me in a way that made me re-evaluate my priorities, she talked of superficiality and important issues of the day that were being ignored by folks like me. It opened my eyes back up to the real world, the one in the light of day, not the lights of the spinning mirror-ball. At different times in my life Joni's music has grounded me, DED grounded me at a time when I was out of control and in need of reeling in. One more gift to be grateful for. So Marcel, I sigh as I think of you listening to DED, no two people get the same thing out of a piece of music and it's not the 80's any more so the societal climate is totally different as your ears take in the songs. I really hope you don't hate it! Cassy NP Shiny Toys ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #408 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?