From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #396 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, July 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 396 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Yvette in English ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] feminsim & courageous Pat ["Kate Bennett" ] Nickel Chief's Surreal Joni Dream ["Michael Bird" ] Yvette In English ["Linda Montelione" ] Four Directions, etc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: joni's viewpoints [pat holden ] Re: Yvette in English [susan+rick ] The Maidstone/Saskatoon/Mendel video tape [AsharaJM@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:06:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Yvette in English Jason, How is what you said different from what I said? Not by much! I never knew what the bliss was- of course it was the cigarette! What a twit I am! (No news to some JMDLers!) Thanks Jason. All the best, Jim > The picture it's always conjured up in my mind is perhaps a lazy one : > guy takes walk near the Parisian river (possibly in the early evening), > and meets this strange yet captivating (young) woman. Who smokes. She > makes a hash of lighthing her ciggie, swears, and the offers the lit > cigarette to the man..."here, have this little bit of instant bliss". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:02:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: feminsim & courageous Pat Hi, the other Kate here. I have to say, at risk of being severely scorched, that I completely get what Joni means when she says she is not a feminist. I used to think that about myself too. Not because I didn't believe in the underlying values of feminism but because I believed that the word itself was much too narrow & limiting for my beliefs or the way I chose to live as an individual. And on another subject, today is Sunday & I have been thinking of Pat, the courageous one all day. Hooray for your honesty & courage & standing up for the equality of others!!!!!!!!!! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter Santa Barbara, CA www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide http://allmusic.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:08:34 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: Nickel Chief's Surreal Joni Dream I'm at Joni Mitchell's house with my girlfriend and Don Freed. Joni's been passing around a liter of Jim Beam, imploring us all to "HAVE ANOTHER! HAVE ANOTHER" in an enthusiastic echo of "Smokin'." We obediently get drunk. She and my girlfriend begin playing an elaborate card game that seems to be more about creating pretty designs with the cards than anything else. They hoot and holler and "yahoo!" and I'm not sure who's winning. Don Freed and I smoke a cigarette. All I can really see of him is his profile, like in the painting "Edmonton" in the TTT booklet. The night is wearing on, it's late, but I'm having too much fun hanging out with Joni. I want to play her fun card game too, so I knock on the door of the bathroom. She's inside taking a shower, but she floats out backwards from behind the curtain and through the bathroom door in a black bikini, looking just like she does in the HOSL inner photo. In midair she floats. "You have to teach me the card game!" I say, smiling. "Oh, you don't know the rules?" she says. "Maybe another time. It's getting late, you know." In mid-air, she swims away. Instantly I'm sure I've overstayed my welcome. My girlfriend and I borrow Joni's big blue globe of the world (a marbled bowling ball?), and try to figure out how to travel the thousands and thousands of miles back home. In my dweems we get weally dwunk on whiskey, Nickel Chief P.S. In the morning I tell my girlfriend about the dream. "Joni and I are buddies," she informs me, and I believe her. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:24:11 -0400 From: "Linda Montelione" Subject: Yvette In English What a tasty little song to analyse! First, of course, Yvette never spoke English. What she said was, "Avez-vous un allumette?" What he understood was that she was coming on to him, in plain English saying "Please have a little bit of instant bliss." In the second verse, "He's fumbling with a foreign tongue." Could be an awkward first kiss. It must be, or Joni would not need to say in the next line that he's "Reaching for words and drawing blanks." She's not one to be redundant, or to over-explain. In the last verse -- Joni depicts Yvette as a "wary little stray" -- quite a condescending comment. I picture "him" philosophically pondering right and wrong within himself. "The bony bridge (the bridge of his own nose) between left (wrong?) and right." I remember reading somewhere that Joni and Larry made the decision to end their marriage on the day the recording of Turbulent Indigo began. After the first listening to TI on the day of its release I sensed all was not well in the Mitchell-Klein marriage. "Last Chance Lost" says it all. Perhaps "Yvette In English" depicts how Joni's observation of many "wary little strays" that were after Larry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:47:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Four Directions, etc Okay, at this point I do not quite remember what the context was that Joni used her statement about the 4 races. And I cannot second guess what she was trying to say by her comment. I would imagine this would be a great interview question. However, I am very familiar with the ideas that she was referring to. The best way to describe it is that it is similar to the symbolic characteristics given to animals. They are like archtypes or gifts. This is a kind of thinking that is mythological more than literal. I don't know if I have made it any clearer but I wanted to bring the discussion back to where it started. Hopefully. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter Santa Barbara, CA www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide http://allmusic.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:59:58 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: joni's viewpoints Kate wrote: > < lowered my opinion of her a notch, was when she performed at > the Edmonton Folk Festival about six years ago. She said "I > am not a feminist." Well Excuse Me! What is a feminist? > Someone who believes in social, political, and economic > equality for both sexes. (it's in the damn dictionary.)What > kind of person doesn't support that? One who thinks feminism > is all about man-bashing and bra-burning, I'd guess.>> and Mags from her place of silence wrote: I had a sociology professor a couple of years ago who claimed that she was not a feminist, and yet she always spouted off feminist pedagogy, politic, whatever you wish to call it. Her read on feminism was that it was something that she lived and breathed as a part of her every day existence. I always admired that in that she felt she didnt have to live up to anyone else's image or definition of what it meant to be a feminist. God knows, the media has one hell of a time misconstruing the whole thing. for what its worth, those are a few of my thoughts. back to the cocoon, Mags np: marcie/nathan franeer, like hearing it for the first time. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:04:03 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Yvette in English Jim L'Hommedieu posted: > > This line is even richer if you include the context just before it: > > "Sweetly in English, she says, 'Please have this little bit of instant > bliss.' And even sweeter if you imagine this said by Claudine Longet!! Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:50:23 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: The Maidstone/Saskatoon/Mendel video tape Hi everyone! It's great to be back, but I have a lot of catching up to do! Call me crazy. It's 2:30 AM here (but it's really only 11:30 Vancouver time, which is where I was this morning.) I "just" finished the Maidstone/Mendel video Master, and it's really cool!! I just couldn't wait another minute to see how/if everything came out, and how it would squeeze into a 2-hour tape. First of all, it fit absolutely perfectly onto the tape! It couldn't have worked out better if I had planned it. Second of all, I must make some disclaimers. The video camera I was working with is extremely small, great for traveling all over Canada, but not so great when you need to hold it steady for VERY long periods of time. Thus, there is quite a bit of camera shake, even though I was holding it sometimes with my arm completely asleep. I added the CBC National News segment on the show, because it is fun to watch. (A million thank you's to Cassy for not only taping it, but sending it so fast that it was waiting here when I got back! MAJOR HUGS!!!) I must say, it is most definitely *not* the most flattering view of me. But I digress.... So, as an amateur video it is great fun to see everything, and have a chance to experience what a dozen very lucky Joni Mitchellites were able to experience first hand. We are still a little bit away from sign ups, but it won't be too long, I promise! A few things..... 1) Please e-mail me right away, if you haven't already, if you are willing to be a branch for this tree. I am getting concerned that a few people are doing a lot of the work. I don't want to get people like Jim and Bob overworked so much that they have to stop helping out. Since "many hands make light work," if you have 2 Hi-Fi VCR's, and can dub some sets, it will help us all out in the end. Also, if you have the means to dub cassettes or CD's, maybe you could help out there as well. 2) I do not seek any monetary gain for the video trees, nor do any of the branches/sources that I know of. However, I feel it is very important to support Jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com, for without Jim and Les we most likely would not even have the connections to be doing/receiving these trees. So in that vain, it would be greatly appreciated to show your gratitude for these incredible videos/cassettes/CD's by sending a check in any amount, payable to Jim Johanson and/or Les Irvin to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Thanks and hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #396 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?