From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #391 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, July 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 391 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- pat's a brave lion (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Subject: Musician Artists NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) [catman ] Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Beale Street ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Furry Synchronicity [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Subject: Musician Artists NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [catman ] Hill does a Dan (ENN JAY CEE) [MDESTE1@aol.com] "Grace of My heart" ["Cassie Fox" ] Re: "Grace of My heart" [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: "Grace of My heart" [catman ] Joni Sings the Blues ["cassy" ] problem? [catman ] Re: Joni Sings the Blues [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Hill does a Dan (ENN JAY CEE) [jan gyn ] Joni's World View [susan+rick ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc [jan gyn ] Re: Joni's World View [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Joni's World View [Don Rowe ] Re: Hill does a Dan (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's World View [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Top 5 ? ["Ramcey tCH" ] BSN Review ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Only Carly (njc) ["Kakki" ] Joni Videos? [John Downes ] Re: Joni Videos? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: "Grace of My heart" [catman ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [catman ] Re: Only Carly (njc) [catman ] Re: Joni's World View [catman ] Current Top 5(JC) [Lisa Kowalski ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] New Orleans Musicians, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] No More American Politics, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Christian Artists (NJC [Michael Paz ] TOP FIVE (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Tree Time (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: No More American Politics, NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection ["Nikki Johnson" Subject: pat's a brave lion (NJC) pat, i am so proud to be your friend!!! god bless you and may he give you the support you need to fight all your fights. your fellow warrior, wallyk > and i'll cause trouble for myself and my family. and my wife will be pissed > because i will have embarrased her in front of the good conservatives. and > there will be no lying around naked that day in my home. and i'll wonder if > i did the right thing. and i'm not even a gay man. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:25:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Musician Artists NJC John Lennon was an artist, mostly sketches I think... Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter Santa Barbara, CA www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide http://allmusic.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:50:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) Was she still at the pc? Congratulations. Gerald McNamara wrote: > You're all uncles and aunts. > > Here in Melbourne, Vanessa (evanessa@mira.net), has just > had a baby girl, her second. > > Have a cyber-cigar. > > Congratulations to Vanessa and Evan. > > -Gerald - -- Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:54:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni > and I have read her memoirs > of the dysfunction in her family. Although, those memoirs, I recall, were > regarded by many readers and reviewers as very compassionate and showed the > very tight closeness that endured among them all despite the dysfunction. where have you read these? Was it in magazines? I may be wrong, but I thought Carly ditched the idea of writing her memoirs. I know that Vanity Fair published an aticle about Carly and her family problems which Carly was very angry about. She felt betrayed by them and her 'friends'. Jacki O had asked her to do her memoirs and she was going to but then didn't. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:49:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS Mark wrote: >I believe Philip's original assertion was that The Johnstons >were the first *band* to record the song. Band as opposed >to solo artist. Therefore, whether Dave Van Ronk recorded as >a solo or a band *is* relevant to his point. Well, I interpreted Philip to mean "band", too. And no thanks to Philip I have just spent a pretty penny to acquire The Johnstons "Both Sides Now - Tetragrammation Promo LP" ;-) Must be the Irish blood ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:00:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni catman asked: > where have you read these? Was it in magazines? I may be >wrong, but I thought Carly ditched the idea of writing her >memoirs. I know that Vanity Fair published an aticle about >Carly and her family problems which Carly was very angry >about. She felt betrayed by them and her 'friends'. > Jacki O had asked her to do her memoirs and she was >going to but then didn't. Maybe I'm getting all my reading mixed up. I do recall the Vanity Fair and another magazine article about her family but also remember reading excerpts from a book she authored - maybe "Letters Never Sent"? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:43:46 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc i'm curious what people would describe as east coast sensibilities...and i'm not being argumentitive...and let me explain that. i'm east coast my whole life. about five years in the mid west...but 34 years east coast. one of eight kids. of the eight six remain living and only 2 of us are on the east coast. the others are texas, oklahoma, ohio, and colorado. none ended up on the west coast. all are married with kids except one who was widowed early and never remarried. one was divorced and remarried a turk! who is cool. but my problem is that i still have this fantasy life with the west coast that started with the tv show la law. and i thought it was the best show and i'm embarrased to say that still, at age almost 39, i might go home at lunch time and eat a bologna sandwich and watch la law reruns which come on at noon. usually when i'm stressed out i do that. so what is it about west coast verses east coast that is so noticeable but hard to pin down? of course,,,i love nyc too and have fantasies about living there. but la seems more exotic and different. maybe i'm transcoastal. right body parts...wrong coast? patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:25:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) Gerald wrote: > You're all uncles and aunts. > > Here in Melbourne, Vanessa (evanessa@mira.net), has just > had a baby girl, her second. > > Have a cyber-cigar. > > Congratulations to Vanessa and Evan. And on the eve of the Bledisloe Cup match too! Not that I'm suggesting you name your daughter after a Wallaby! Congratulations to the new parents! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:30:28 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Beale Street Rose wrote: >If you can't make it to Memphis, care to take a tour of Beale Street where >Old Furry sang the Blues? >http://www.memphisguide.com/Beale/Beale.html Wow, thanks for posting this - it's great to be able to see Beale Street, even if it's via the 'net! And I notice that the "Old Daisy" is now a museum. I guess the "wrecker's beat" never quite made it! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:33:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: congratulations, Vanessa (NJC) << Congratulations to Vanessa and Evan. >> Allow me to also raise up a toast - my coffee mug, that is...and say a hearty congrats to V&E and the youngest Joni fan! ;-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:20:16 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Furry Synchronicity In a message dated 07/13/2000 11:23:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimjackson@mediaone.net writes: << Hi. D.J. here. PPeterson's post about Furry Sings the Blues (FSTB) evokes a memory for me of a similar discovery. After seeing PPeterson's post it makes me wonder how many other people learned of Beale Street first through Joni and then, through serendipity or pilgrimage, made their way to that little park. >> Hi D.J. Unfortunately when I made the pilgrimage to Memphis, it was before my love of Joni. I was *forced* to go to that city with my parents when my oldest sister was married there. I never did get to go to Beale Street, but to this day I always thought Furry sang the blues because he was *forced* to visit Graceland. .........just kidding :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:55:48 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Musician Artists NJC Yes, a good friend of mine licensed some of Lennon's drawings for a line of children's sportswear. I still have a hat with Lennon's caricature of himself as the logo. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:24:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni > but also remember reading excerpts > from a book she authored - maybe "Letters Never Sent"? > > Kakki LNS is an album(94). I am fairly certain she has not written a book about herself. She has written several childrens books. bw colin - -- Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:01:01 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Hill does a Dan (ENN JAY CEE) From a Hillary Clinton stump speech in New York 07-13-00 The first lady this week stood before City Hall and unburdened herself regarding the cost of electricity in New York: She says it's really, really expensive. "New York's utility rates are the second-highest in the country," Mrs. Clinton said. "The only place higher is Hawaii, and they're an island." Umm, so is Manhattan. An island, that is. And Staten Island. And Long Island. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:19:53 PDT From: "Cassie Fox" Subject: "Grace of My heart" I just watched the movie "Grace of My Heart" (which was excellent by the way) and loosely based on the life of Carol King. There is a song on the soundtrack written by Joni called "Man From Mars" (also excellent, of course). Did she write this specifically for the movie?? Does anyone know?? I had never heard of it before. Also, Larry Klein produced all of the songs in the movie-I'm assuming it's the same Larry Klein that is Joni's ex-husband, but was just wondering for sure. If anyone could pass along anything about her association with this movie, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Cassie ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:52:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Grace of My heart" Cassie Fox wrote: > I just watched the movie "Grace of My Heart" (which was excellent by the > way) and loosely based on the life of Carol King. There is a song on the > soundtrack written by Joni called "Man From Mars" (also excellent, of > course). Did she write this specifically for the movie?? Does anyone > know?? I had never heard of it before. Also, Larry Klein produced all of > the songs in the movie-I'm assuming it's the same Larry Klein that is Joni's > ex-husband, but was just wondering for sure. If anyone could pass along > anything about her association with this movie, it would be greatly Cassie, This was the first movie I ordered on dvd. There is so much extra on the dvd, including a running commentary. Larry did ask Joni to write a song for the movie, a la For the Roses period. That was why she returned to the piano. I think it is one of her finest compositions. There was a mix up about the cd release. Some early copies have Joni's recording rather than Kirsten's. A different version is on Taming the Tiger. Her piano recording is fondly referred to by some listers as The Lost Version. I hope you noticed that Larry was also in the movie. He played the Record Producer and was quite good at being sleazy. Larry did a great job as Music Supervisor. In other less talented hands it could have turned out cheesy. A fine, much overlooked movie. And as a note, I just got to see A Walk On the Moon. I remember it being mentioned because of Cactus Tree being on the soundtrack. I strongly recommend seeing it. It was excellent. jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:52:46 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni In a message dated 7/14/00 2:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << From my off the head recall (and I welcome clarification) James' father came from old Carolina money and went north to Harvard and became a prominent doctor. >> This sounds right to me Kakki. Also, I believe that James' father was President of UNC-Chapel Hill sometime in the 1960s. (I went to UNC-CH, but in the 1970s and Dr. Taylor was no longer President) << When I was the young teenage girl and James had gone off with Carly rather than Joni, I developed a bit of prejudice against her. But for years since I have read nothing but wonderful things about Carly >> When Carly was living in NY, she lived up the block from me. I would run into her from time to time in the neighborhood, and she was always extremely nice and friendly. The local merchants loved her. She was especially friendly with my pharmacist, and one day he was short-staffed at opening, and Carly got behind the counter and answered the phones. She included a photo of the pharmacist on the cover of "Letters Never Sent". <> I have heard this about her from many sources. I had direct dealings with Carly's sister, Lucy, and I have to say that she is one of the most compassionate and generous individuals that I have ever met. (You may remember that Carly and Lucy started out as a due, The Simon Sisters, and recorded a few albums together.) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:03:29 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: "Grace of My heart" Man From Mars is on Taming The Tiger. bw colin Cassie Fox wrote: > I just watched the movie "Grace of My Heart" (which was excellent by the > way) and loosely based on the life of Carol King. There is a song on the > soundtrack written by Joni called "Man From Mars" (also excellent, of > course). Did she write this specifically for the movie?? Does anyone > know?? I had never heard of it before. Also, Larry Klein produced all of > the songs in the movie-I'm assuming it's the same Larry Klein that is Joni's > ex-husband, but was just wondering for sure. If anyone could pass along > anything about her association with this movie, it would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > Cassie > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -- Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:46:41 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni Sings the Blues For the life of me I cannot recall where I read that Joni was sued over the song "Furry Sings the Blues" that she and Neil had visited with Furry on a trip to Memphis and that while they were there, Furry had been playing his harmonica and that Joni and Neil had used those licks in the recorded release, ostensibly to pay him "homage." I have a recollection that Joni was sued for royalties. Does anyone else recall this? Do you know where it was originally reported? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:09:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: problem? I just got three messages from the list. each came 6 times. - -- Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:31:10 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Sings the Blues There was an article in Rolling Stone in 1977 called "Furry Lewis is Furious At Joni." It is about how he felt that Joni used his name in her song without asking for his permission. Her manager, Eliot Roberts, said something to the effect of "it could be any Fury" (or something like that). I think Joni denied it in the article as well. Well, Joni had introduced the song as the Furry Lewis several times in he '76 tour. Interestingly, it was written just as the L.A. Express and Joni were going through Memphis on that tour. AFAIK, Neil had nothing to do with the song until she asked him to do harmonica on it. The article is at Les' site. NP-Grateful Dead-Slipknot At 10:46 AM -0400 7/14/00, cassy wrote: >For the life of me I cannot recall where I read that Joni was sued over the >song "Furry Sings the Blues" that she and Neil had visited with Furry on a >trip to Memphis and that while they were there, Furry had been playing his >harmonica and that Joni and Neil had used those licks in the recorded >release, ostensibly to pay him "homage." I have a recollection that Joni >was sued for royalties. > >Does anyone else recall this? Do you know where it was originally reported? > >Cassy - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:24:11 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Hill does a Dan (ENN JAY CEE) (snip) >"New York's utility rates are the second-highest in the country," Mrs. >Clinton said. "The only place higher is Hawaii, and they're an island." > >Umm, so is Manhattan. An island, that is. And Staten Island. And Long Island. Isn't Hawaii like 3000 miles from the west coast? All of the above are islands, but Hawaii's OUT THERE! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:24:04 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Joni's World View Quoted from an article in the Vancouver Sun, July 8, 2000. ____________________________ Headline: ANOTHER SIDE OF JONI Nobody in Saskatoon knew quite what to make of Joni Mitchell's comments about race, so they ignored them. But however well-intentioned, the words got Adele Weder wondering. Most famous people seem to have an aura of majesty about them, so that the very air they stroll through seems to part as they walk. Such was the case when Joni Mitchell wafted into Saskatoon's Mendel Art Gallery last Friday to launch her long-awaited exhibition of artwork. [snip] ...when a young local reporter asked her if she considered this a homecoming, and Joni said, with gusto, "Absolutely, it's a homecoming," we hometowners felt warm and fuzzy. The tender moment was shattered right afterward, when the same reporter asked what strings she still had to the prairies. Mitchell lashed out angrily, "If you'd looked at the show, you wouldn't ask that question!" Actually, none of us had seen the show yet, but no one just then had the temerity to say so. "I'm sorry, I'm sorry,' whimpered the novice reporter, as she crawled off the a corner to lick her wounds. Off to the next question. [snip] She spoke of aboriginal spirituality. Then came the real head scratcher: "If the 20th century unfolds as I hope it does, the four major races will begin to coerce and understand their contributions to the greater whole; that intellect--whitey's contribution--will be put in its proper perspective. And emotionality of the black race--the end they hold up--will become an equal to it. The clarity of the yellow race, and the sensitivity and the depth of the red race will all be used by all, that we'd all borrow from one another. That's my dream." Well, of course she meant the "21st" century, and she didn't really mean that the races have to be coercive to get along. Still, it's tempting to smell a Freudian slip in this old-fashioned world view, where races are pigeonholed by their inborn characteristics. Whatever she meant, none of us dared to ask for an elaboration. Nor did anyone report her dream in the next day's papers. (It was over my head," explained one reporter.) ........... ____________________________ Me now: Okay, she was talking off-the-cuff and I know she was really tired but what do you think she meant? Does she really believe that the "four major races" can be divided along those simplistic lines? That those are the qualities that each race most admires or aspires to? Does the "red race" include all aboriginals, or just those of North America? If the latter is the case than the "red race' could hardly be called a "major race" in terms of world populations. Was she just referring to the U.S.A? Does "whitey" refer both to, say, those of English origin and those of Italian ancestry, one considered "intellectual" and the other "emotional"? I love Joni as much always (and that's a long time), and in my mind she has no musical equal, but every once in a while she just makes me want to scratch my head and say "Huh?" No judgement implied or expressed Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:37:31 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc At 05:43 AM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >i'm curious what people would describe as east coast sensibilities...and i'm >not being argumentitive...and let me explain that. (snip) >coast? patrick Well, according to ESPN, east coast is more conservative and defense oriented, and west coast is more run and gun. - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:49:10 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Joni's World View Rick forwarded: > She spoke of aboriginal spirituality. Then came the real head scratcher: "If > the 20th century unfolds as I hope it does, the four major races will begin > to coerce and understand their contributions to the greater whole; that This essentialist bullshit is just that. Even coming from Joni's mouth. The one impulse with which I agree is a hope that traditional Western views of knowledge as stable and resolutely rational give way to more decentered, less directly intellectual possibilities. But that's about history and culture, not race. - --Michael NP: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (somewhat synchronous as she is just reaching my least favorite part of the whole album, where she recites portentously "colonial --- ISM; imperial --- ISM." A friend and I joked "postmodern - --- ISM" when we saw her do this in concert, which I will see her do again tomorrow, along with Richard Thompson and the Mekons... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's World View I'm feeling that my sense of futility has become a little flabby ... maybe it could use some exercise. So I'll ask: Can we please not go here people? This is PRECISELY the kind of subject where quick misunderstandings will lead to anger. Anger will lead to a flame war. The flame war will lead to suffering. Standing by the "Delete" key ... Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:03:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Hill does a Dan (NJC) In a message dated 7/14/00 10:04:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << From a Hillary Clinton stump speech in New York 07-13-00 The first lady this week stood before City Hall and unburdened herself regarding the cost of electricity in New York: She says it's really, really expensive. "New York's utility rates are the second-highest in the country," Mrs. Clinton said. "The only place higher is Hawaii, and they're an island." Umm, so is Manhattan. An island, that is. And Staten Island. And Long Island. >> They're hardly the same kind of islands as Hawaii. This is a stupid waste of bandwidth. What do you have against Hillary? Furthermore, please do not fool around with the NJC code or I'll send Chelsea to confiscate all your Joni albums and CDs. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:13:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's World View In a message dated 7/14/00 1:41:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << [snip] She spoke of aboriginal spirituality. Then came the real head scratcher: "If the 20th century unfolds as I hope it does, the four major races will begin to coerce and understand their contributions to the greater whole; that intellect--whitey's contribution--will be put in its proper perspective. And emotionality of the black race--the end they hold up--will become an equal to it. The clarity of the yellow race, and the sensitivity and the depth of the red race will all be used by all, that we'd all borrow from one another. That's my dream." Well, of course she meant the "21st" century, and she didn't really mean that the races have to be coercive to get along. >> Perhaps she meant to say "coalesce" rather than coerce, or the writer misheard her. co*a*lesce (verb) co*a*lesced; co*a*lesc*ing [Latin coalescere, from co- + alescere to grow -- more at OLD] verb intransitive First appeared circa 1656 1 : to grow together 2 a : to unite into a whole : FUSE b : to unite for a common end : join forces 3 : to arise from the combination of distinct elements verb transitive : to cause to unite synonym see MIX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:26:40 -0400 From: "Ramcey tCH" Subject: Top 5 ? Here are my top five: Hejira Blue Turbulent Indigo Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Miles of Aisles and: Blue Motel Room Talk to Me Coyote River A Case of You This week anyhow. Ramcey (tCH) Delray Beach, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:42:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: BSN Review From Sound and Vision: On Both Sides Now, Joni Mitchell combines the cover album with the concept album, arranging her selections of old standards (and two of her own compositions) into a song cycle covering the progress of a love affair from first infatuation to sadder-but-wiser aftermath. Mitchell's voice has thinned a bit over the years, and she sometimes sounds like she's losing the battle against Vince Mendoza's lushly aggressive, Technicolor arrangements. She can still bring a sexy lilt to some of the chestnuts included on this record, such as "Don't Go to Strangers" and "You've Changed." A little less orchestral weight and a little more variety in the mood would have helped. rated 2 1/2 stars out of five Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:08:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni (njc) colin wrote: > LNS is an album(94). I am fairly certain she has not written >a book about herself. She has written several childrens >books. I'm sure you are right and I've got all my reading mixed up. But whatever I did read sounded like she had some participation in it. The album "Letters Never Sent", by the way, is one of Jimmy Webb's favorites. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:24:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Only Carly (njc) Stephen wrote: > When Carly was living in NY, she lived up the block from >me. I would run into her from time to time in the >neighborhood, and she was always extremely nice and >friendly. The local merchants loved her. She was especially > friendly with my pharmacist, and one day he was short->staffed at opening, and Carly got behind the counter and >answered the phones. She included a photo > of the pharmacist on the cover of "Letters Never Sent". Stephen, I want to move to your neighborhood! ;-) This is just one more of many great stories about her. The story that really made my affection for her go sky high was one that has been told many times by Jimmy Webb both in print and in live performance. A few years back, his wife of almost 25 years (with whom he had somewhere around 9 or so children) dumped him. He was completely devastated and sunk into a terrible dark and paralyzing depression. Carly heard about the state he was in, and immediately looked him up and took him off to her place in Martha's Vineyard to stay for an extended visit. He says that she "picked him back off the floor" and steadfastly put him back together again through her kindness, caring and friendship. Not long after she helped him, Webb recorded "Ten Easy Pieces", one of the most gorgeous and acclaimed albums to come out in years. He gives Carly a lot of credit for that, too. I also recall reading that Carly has been pretty good natured about the whole Chrissie Hynde incident at Joni's performance at The Fez a few years back. ;-) Kakki NPIMH: Livingston Taylor - Carolina Day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:36:17 -0600 From: John Downes Subject: Joni Videos? Hi everyone, Last night I got together with some old friends and we had a Joni "worship" evening. A few weeks ago we saw each other in Saskatoon and decided we needed to re-connect after many years of neglecting our friendship - typical of many of my 30-40 something friends - we're all too busy with work, etc.. Anyway, after doing some singing and watching bits of "Painting With Words And Music" we began to talk about Joni's videos for her songs. Not being someone who watches MTV or Much Music, I have missed most of them. Has there ever been a compilation of Joni's videos issued? I'd like to have them in my collection as I imagine they are quite good, considering Joni's visual arts abilities and all. If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great. Thanks, John in Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni Videos? There have been three. One unofficial early on in the list for Joni MuchMusic performance. Volumes One and Two were done by Sherrie Goode and Barabara Burst and are superb. Ashara has been the queen of distributing them lately and is hard at work on volumes 3 and 4. Jerry On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John Downes wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Last night I got together with some old friends and we had a Joni > "worship" evening. A few weeks ago we saw each other in Saskatoon and > decided we needed to re-connect after many years of neglecting our > friendship - typical of many of my 30-40 something friends - we're all > too busy with work, etc.. > > Anyway, after doing some singing and watching bits of "Painting With > Words And Music" we began to talk about Joni's videos for her songs. > Not being someone who watches MTV or Much Music, I have missed most of > them. > Has there ever been a compilation of Joni's videos issued? I'd like to > have them in my collection as I imagine they are quite good, considering > > Joni's visual arts abilities and all. > > If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great. > > Thanks, > John in Edmonton > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:01:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: "Grace of My heart" > I just got to see A Walk On the Moon. I remember it being > mentioned because of Cactus Tree being on the soundtrack. I strongly recommend > seeing it. It was excellent. we. meaning john and i, just got this out tonight. haven'yt seen it yet tho. I got it cos i thought there might be some jc. > > > jerry - -- Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:03:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni > and Lucy started out as a due, The Simon Sisters, and > recorded a few albums together.) > > Stephen lucy also recorded her own albums. i have one tho i can't recall what it is called right now. some nice songs on it. late 70's i think. it is on vynl so locked away somewhere! - -- Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:11:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Only Carly (njc) > > > I also recall reading that Carly has been pretty good natured about the > whole Chrissie Hynde incident at Joni's performance at The Fez a few years > back. ;-) Yes-Carly has done much to raise awareness of mental health issues. > > > Kakki > > NPIMH: Livingston Taylor - Carolina Day - -- Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:14:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's World View well. whilst I think the way she put it is a bit odd(or the way it was heard), I think she has a point. The simple lawas of genetics and evolution mean that various groups of people ahve eveolved in different(not superior or inferior) ways. Surely all the best bits could go to making a wonderful whole? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:49:50 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: Current Top 5(JC) Here are my Top 5 as of 6PM July 14,2000 1. Hejira 2. HOSL 3. Turbulent Indigo 4. For The Roses 5. DJRD and Top 5 Favorite Songs 1. Just Like This Train(I remember singing this song with my cousin 27yrs ago while walking along the railroad tracks in Hartford,Connecticut which was a very special time in my life;everytime I hear this song I get the warm fuzzies!) 2. Borderline (love the words and the alliteration! "You snipe so steady,you snub so snide" So ripe and ready to diminish and deride!") 3. Strange Boy ( love the words! and the images( "A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc" and "A thousand glass eyes were staring in a cellar full of antique dolls") 4. Cherokee Louise I love the story and the chorus "To the place where you can stand and press your hands like it was bubble bath in dust piled high as me!") 5. Only Joy In Town (Botticelli Black Boy!!!) I love "The Botticelli Black Boy with the fuschias in his hair is breathing in women like oxygen on the Spanish stairs!") Lisa( still lurking in Charlotte) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:24:28 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni In a message dated 07/14/2000 4:58:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << lucy also recorded her own albums. i have one tho i can't recall what it is called right now. some nice songs on it. late 70's i think. it is on vynl so locked away somewhere! >> I have a copy of Lucy's self-titled LP which has the song "From Time To Time To Time" on it. I like this LP a great deal--it has a wonderful 1970s sound a la Carole King. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:24:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: New Orleans Musicians, NJC Beth Patterson, the blonde in jeans who played the bouzouki in Michael's band has a Celtic album out. I picked it up at the Howlin' Wolf. My 2 year old niece, Taylor McKean Hedges approves by taping her foot carefully, then more enthusiastically, then dancing wildly about when it's on. I just beam. :) :) :) We call her "Bean". (And Natalie is "Boo" and Laura is "Bird" or "Birdie". I didn't start it. I think it was all their respective mothers. Funny that they all came out with "B" names.) I have Lahm's album (and want to buy the next one on date-of-issue) and Bry-Bry's. Who else has albums? Steve P- Did I read that you have a CD? Where can I buy it? I have a promo only CD of Leslie's that I love! Who else???? I can't wait to buy Michael's "Tribute" CD from the Nawlins weekend. How's the mixing going Michael? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:43:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: No More American Politics, NJC Please, no more American politics on this beautiful tropical island. I come for the grass skirts not the stuffed shirts. (Hey, I'll submit that to Jesse Jackson! DUHO!) Let's all take the pledge now, while it's early, that we won't inflict our friends in Austria, Holland, New Zealand, Australia, etcetera, with any more American politics. I'm already bored with it and I live in the US!!!! Who cares? Go to a pub to talk politics! Who's with me? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati, USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:46:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Christian Artists (NJC Steve Dulson wrote: > But was Sonic Flood there? Yes they were. I spent alot of time talking to Jeff who was a really nice guy and really funny. We had quite a few laughs. I have an extra advance CD of this show called "He Chose the Nails" if you would like a copy. Paz NP-Celebration Day-Jimmy Page & Black Crows Live at the Greek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:55:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: TOP FIVE (NJC) Michael Paz wrote yeaterday: > > > I like this thread. My votes go to. > > 1) Conversation-Claud9 > 2) Little Green-Brian Thomas > 3) Black Crow-Brian Thomas > 4) The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey-Marian Russell > 5) Anything off his submittal tape for the Second Annual New England > JoniFest Tape-Marcel Deste > > I could go on, but we are still limited to five, aren't we?? > > Michael Hello all! Here is todays TOP FIVE Interpreters 1) Two Grey Rooms-Steve Polifka 2) Coyote-Catgirl 3) Blue Motel Room-David Lahm 4) Woman of Heart and Mind-Terry Matlin 5) Rainy Night House (The Tango Version)-ChuckE Keep sending those cards and letters. Michael NP-Shapes of Things To Come-Jimmy Page & Black Crowes Live at the Greek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:04:03 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Tree Time (NJC) Jim "ElKingOCopy" Lamamdoo wrote: > With three cassette decks, (Nakamichi, Tandberg, Revox) I could probably > eventually catch up with the demand. Can you imagine posting an offer and > no one responding? Can you imagine successfully fulfilling all of the > requests? Then I would know that I've done my part. If you can help, > please respond by private email. Jim Telex makes a 1 by 3 stereo copyette that copies bothe sides of a 90 minute tape in about 45 seconds ( I think it is, I know it's a really short time compared to 90 minutes). I haven't checked lately but the dealer cost on these pups were about $2,200. smackos. If each JMDL member sends in $3.66 each we can buy you the machine and you can be tree central. Michael NP-Ten Years Gone-Jimmy Page et al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:26:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni-njc > i'm curious what people would describe as east coast sensibilities...and i'm > not being argumentitive...and let me explain that. I was afraid I might be putting my foot in it when I made that statement. I did kinda imply that I was talking through my hat since I've been to the east coast once in my entire life (Jonifest 99 at Ashara's.) So bear in mind that this reply is based largely on the perceptions of other people as they have come to me through the media, literature and just plain hearsay. First of all, Carly's songs are full of east coast place names (that's a safe place to begin, isn't it?) 'The Bedroom Tapes' has more than one song that refers to the Hudson river. The best example, though, is 'The Wives Are in Connecticut' from the Spoiled Girl album. The last verse lists a whole string of towns and various men who live in them who may or may not be cuckolding a man who works in the city. This guy has become paranoid about whether or not his wife is being faithful to him since he has chucked his own fidelity long ago. He's started wondering if she might be playing the same game he is: How about The hairdresser from New London The tennis pro from Fairfield The Fuller Brush man from Bristol The fisherman from Mystic The novelist from New Canaan The usher at the movie theatre The architect from Guilford Or the man on the carousel Oh, the wives, the wives are in Connecticut The wives are in Connecticut Trying to forget it That they really do regret it That they moved up to Connecticut That they moved up to Connecticut That they moved up to Connecticut.... The whole song makes me think of New York City - the paper-minded males who commute home to the burbs every night to the wife & kiddies. But I suppose that could be said of any major US city - LA, SF, Dallas... My impression is that since the east coast was where the country began, it is much more steeped in history & tradition. So the perception is that the east coast is much more conservative & formal. Whereas the west coast still has a bit of the aura of the Wild West, established & settled much later and therefore looser & less formal. As far as Carly's concerned, to me she gives the impression of being a rebel who delights in flaunting the conventions & exposing the hypocrisies of a staid upper class life. But you can tell that underneath it all she was brought up in that world and the effects of that upbringing have never completely worn off. I don't know if she or either one of her sisters was a 'deb' and had a coming out. Maybe the Simon money was too new for that. But that's the kind of world I picture her growing up in. Cocktail parties with many of the then current literati present, tuxedos & formals, exclusive private schools - that kind of thing. Before anyone ties me to the stake & starts gathering kindling & kerosene, please bear in mind that this is coming from someone who grew up in Keokuk, Iowa and, as I've stated, has only been to Topsfield MA, via the Boston airport. I certainly don't claim that any of this is the unvarnished truth and would certainly be more than happy to be enlightened if any or all of the above is pure unadulterated crap. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: No More American Politics, NJC > Let's all take the pledge now, while it's early, that we won't inflict our > friends in Austria, Holland, New Zealand, Australia, etcetera, with any > more American politics. I'm already bored with it and I live in the US!!!! > Who cares? Go to a pub to talk politics! > > Who's with me? Hear, hear! I'm all for that! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:00:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: lucy simon njc i remember being on the verge of buying lucy's album. i did buy the simon sisters' album, though. it is a very beautiful collection of famous poems set to music by lucy. i haven't heard it in years because i don't have a turntable anymore. [hint hint to anyone that can burn a cd copy of both albums for me]. my favorite track was "calico pie", edward lear's poem, sung by lucy in her perfect lyric soprano. now has anybody ever heard joanna [i think that's her name], the third sister? she's reputed to be a wonderful baroque music singer. wallyk, "...flippetty flup, they drank it all up and then danced in the cup but they never came back to me." > I have a copy of Lucy's self-titled LP which has the song "From Time To Time > To Time" on it. I like this LP a great deal--it has a wonderful 1970s sound > a la Carole King. > > Stephen > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:06:29 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection Kakki, Yeah Stevie was majorly influenced by Joni. Actually I think so many artists were from the 70's on. But Stevie always talks about how she would get a Joni album and sit and just read the lyrics and reread them...over and over and be amazed. She said she did that so much w LOTC. I remember hearing an interview or reading one where she talked about how influential Joni was in her life. It's so rare for her to sing covers though I was really shocked also to hear she did this cover! But that is cool your friend knew them from back then. I guess if he didn't hear them in CA then they may have hung around AZ b/c Stevie's family I think some was still there. If you find anything I will be in total awe...I've heard you were quite a rarities finder! And of course if you want the few demos I have...anytime... Take care Nikki NP: "Woodstock" Randy & Gary Skruggs "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:04 AM > To: Nikki Johnson; SCJoniGuy@aol.com; dgrowe227@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection > > > > Yes that is right Stevie grew up in Phoenix! And they played >small gigs > in CA I know that...she moved around a lot and >ended up going to high > school in CA and met Lindsey, and >they played small gigs in CA > but I guess > they may > > have played some in AZ too but I don't know for sure.. > > Thanks for verifying the Phoenix connection, Nikki! I've just always > wondered in retrospect how my friend knew so much about them and was so > taken with them before they ever joined FM and figured he must have known > them from Phoenix. Well, I guess I'll just have to ask when I track him > down! ;-D > > >.I can only verify they did in CA,AR, and NY...which btw...I >did some > research and found out they played Raised On >Robbery at a show in NY in > 3/74 for sure if that helps > > any...lol...if you find anything out let us know:-) > > Thanks - I'm still amazed they did this Joni cover! And it's also amazing > that you found some demos! I'll let y'all know if I come up with > anything. > > Kakki > > NP: Joni - Off Night Backstreet (a fave then and now ;-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:42:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection << It's so rare for her to sing covers though I was really shocked also to hear she did this cover! >> She does a nice job with Zevon's "Reconsider Me". That's a great song anyway, though! Bob NP: The Boss, "Prove It All Night", Denver 03/30/00 Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:08:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: F&J Corrections/Additions Hey everybody, and happy weekend! I haven't sent many of these out yet, but the ones I have sent have some bad or incomplete info on them I want to correct. The 1983 Rehearsal songs are from A&M Studios, recorded 02/20/83. The entire session was about 2 hrs. long - Wow! I'd love to hear the whole thing, right now this is all I have... The Farm Aid show was 07/22/85 in Champaign, IL, my source had said Bloomington, IN...I should have checked on JM.com, lesson learned. It's important for this type of information to be accurate, I think, but it certainly doesn't diminish the value of this great music! Bob NP: Bruce, "The River" same show... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #391 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?