From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #385 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 385 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Paprika Plains on Hejira924's best of list [PPeterson4@aol.com] Mingus [Matthew Snyder ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:04:02 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Paprika Plains on Hejira924's best of list Hejira942@aol.com wrote: << SONGS 3) Paprika Plains (another lament on Indians, the Prairie, and a virtual symphony) >> Glad to see you put Paprika Plains on your list. I'm surprised so many people dismiss it. I was in awe the first time I heard it and have never changed my opinion about it. (Though admittedly, there was a time when I only played a version I'd spliced together that shortened the middle instrumental section) The piano playing is sublime, the lyrics almost epic and incredibly dense with meaning and connectedness - and nothing, nothing in music has ever compared to the change at the end when the piano, bass and drums explode into the final improvisation. I guess everyone has heard the story about how she came to record it, which makes it even more incredible. I'm sure it's on the Joni.COM site in the archives. So here's another cheer for Paprika Plains! If any of you are lucky enough never to have heard it, you're in for a very special Joni experience. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:35:12 -0400 From: Matthew Snyder Subject: Mingus David Lahm wrote: >I truly think Fables of Faubus first appeared on Mingus Ah Um. You are correct, David, however the lyrics made their first appearance on the Candid recordings in 1960. Mingus Ah Um was recorded for Columbia, who objected to the lyrical content. Candid was, suffice to say, independent. Most of my favorite Mingus is from 1960. There's the Candid stuff and also the amazing live record from Antibes. I also love the Great Concert of Charles Mingus from the 1964 European tour. Somebody asked if Mingus made any of his own version of the tunes on Joni's Mingus album. The only one, I think, was Porkpie Hat, which was first recorded decades before. The rest were new collaborations with Joni (except for two of hers) and Mingus died, of course, before the album was released. I have to admit that I consider the album somewhat of a grand failure. The most appealing aspects of it for me remain the extra-Mingusian ones: the continued brilliance of Jaco Pastorius (particularly his horn arrangement on Dry Cleaner from Des Moines), the hypnotic Wolf That Lives in Lindsey. Porkpie Hat was done much better on S&L, and Joni wrote the only good lyrics to it ever written, but I still prefer any of Mingus's own versions. Joni had done better assimilations of jazz on her earlier records; she comes off rather hestitant on Mingus compared with the unbelievable efforts that preceded it. Overall it ends up being something less than a great Joni album and significantly less than a great Mingus recording. In the final analysis I'm glad it exists, since so many grand artistic hookups never happened: Gil Evans & Miles & Jimi Hendrix, and Jaco & Jimi, and Miles & Sinatra (think about that, it would have been unbelievable). At least we don't have to fantasize about this meeting of giants, even if it isn't as great as we would wish. Perhaps it would have been better if it had happened today instead of 1978. I listen to it once every couple of years to see if my opnion changes. Maybe I'll appreciate it when I'm 50. Favorite Joni songs (today): Hejira Talk To Me Jericho The Silky Veils of Ardor The Sire of Sorrow Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #385 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?