From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #384 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 384 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: unmasking don juan [Mark Domyancich ] "Russian on Prozac?" [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) ["Brian Workman" ] Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RS - article on Joni's romances [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #382 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: "Russian on Prozac?" ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Nashville (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: NJC, Laura Nyro [Heather ] RE: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: SJC, Laura Nyro [Heather ] NJC - "Nashville," the CD [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) [Heather ] Re: Pret a Porter (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: unmasking don juan ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 [StDoherty@aol.com] JONI INTERPRETERS [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: "Russian on Prozac?" [Kenny Grant ] Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman [Heather ] Jazz - Monk & Mingus NJC [john low ] Re: Mingus the album (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #288 [Hejira924@aol.com] Re: Mingus the album [RandyRemote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: "Russian on Prozac?" ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: JONI INTERPRETERS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Mystical Coincidences - Kind of long [Merk54@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:16:38 PDT From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC HEY, FOLKS!! DELURKING AND SEEKING LISTERS IN THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. I AM MOVING TO HAWAII AT THE END OF AUGUST/BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO HOOK UP WITH OTHER JONI-PHILES WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EDUCATING ME ABOUT LIFE IN THE ISLANDS. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. LOVE AND ALOHA, RUSS The light, creation's mind, was everywhere, and all things owned its power. Charles Dickens ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:05:10 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Kilauren; parents Sue Cameron (I'm saying "hi" to lots of old friends today; hi, Sue!) wrote: "All the commentary of the show yet nowhere did I read of Kilauren. This makes me sad; maybe things are still strained as Joni alluded to during the Today Show interview? Let's hope that the event was just too high profile for Kilauren." Me now: a couple of us in Saskatoon noticed this too, many of us expressing the same hope you did that things are going well for Kilauren and Joni. And yet, I think it's important to remember that the opening took place on a national holiday weekend (Canada Day was Saturday, July 1), and that July 1, if I'm remembering correctly, was also Kilauren's daughter's first birthday. Even more importantly, as I mentioned to someone at the time, I think we need to need to recall that, even though Kilauren is Joni's daughter, she *has parents*--David and Ida Gibb--in Toronto. Perhaps it was important to her that she spend this special weekend with them. Situations like this cannot possibly be easy, and I wish everyone concerned only the very best. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:20:52 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: unmasking don juan My guess would be Don Juan Matus. I never finished reading "The Teachings of Don Juan" but what I did read I could see some correlations between Carlos' peyote visions in the desert and the lyrics in DJRD. I might have to join the all Joni list if this thread turns into one about Carlos Casteneda! :D NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94 - She At 3:28 PM -0400 7/11/00, Michael Bird wrote: >So, I have one more. Who, in the context of DJRD, is Don Juan? Or, >more precisely, which Don Juan is she the reckless daughter of? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:28:18 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: "Russian on Prozac?" A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the Greek Theater show from this year. I guess we're the only ones that didn't get it, since the audience did. Maybe they didn't want themselves to look like fools so they laughed? Who knows. Enlighten a braindead, please. NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94 - Beat the Time - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:32:57 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) You forgot Stupid Girl by Neil Young from Zuma which he in an interview when it was released said was about Joni. Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For the Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. BDub (longtime lurker) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:08 AM Subject: Songs For & About JONI (The List) > well folks -- here's the list of JONI MITCHELL related songs. > actually -2- seperate lists that perhaps should be combined. > > > 1. SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL > 2. SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs) > > there IS one ommission (possibly 2). > > > earlier today Deb Messling wrote (regarding P.M. Dawn): > > > >I'm 80% certain they also sampled "Sweet Bird" on some record or other. > > > if anyone can confirm this and identify the Album, > i'll have a friend send it to me. > > > another song is from the "CRYSTAL BALL" set by Prince. i neglected > to add it to the list when the CDs were released and right now i can't > find my notes and don't remember which song it is and frankly don't have > time to go searching thru a 5-CD set. > > > in any event ... the list is below. > > > for now ~ take care, > ------- > simon > ------- > > > > > SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL > > > Atlantic #19117-2, 1969 > CROSBY, STILLS & NASH "1st LP" > Guinnevere > > Atlantic #82649-2, 1970 > CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG "Deja vu" > Our House > > Atlantic #7204-2, 1971 > GRAHAM NASH "Songs For Beginners" > Simple Man > > Warner Bros #2561-2, 1971 > JAMES TAYLOR "Mudslide Slim & The Blue Horizon" > Love Has Brought Me Around > > Atlantic CD #82638-2, 1971 > LED ZEPPELIN "Led Zeppelin IV" > Going To California > > Concert Recording / Bakersfield, CA., 1-20-73 > NEIL YOUNG "(Unreleased) Live Performance" > Sweet Joni > > Cadet #CA-50044, 1973 > DAVE VAN RONK "Songs To Ageing Children" > Song For Joni > > Columbia #CK-47120, 1973 > ERIC ANDERSON "Stages: The Lost Album" > It's Been A Long Time > > Asylum #7E 1017-2, 1974 > JACKSON BROWNE "Late For The Sky" > Fountain Of Sorrow > > MCA Records #MCAD-31251, 1975 > DAVID CROSBY/GRAHAM NASH "Wind On The Water" > Mama Lion > > Warner Bros #BS-2890, 1975 > RONEE BLAKELY "Welcome" > She Lays It On The Line > > Bearsville #6961, 1975 > TODD RUNDGREN's UTOPIA "Another Live" > The Wheel > > Flying Fish #FF243, 1980 > SIMON & BARD "Musaic" > Song For Joni Mitchell > > MCA #25439-2, 1980 > NIK KERSHAW "Radio Musicola" > Radio Musicola > > GeeStreet #63881-32510-2, 1993 > P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...?" > The Ways Of The Wind > > GeeStreet #314-524-147-2, 1995 > P.M. DAWN "Jesus Wept" > Forever Damaged (The 96th) > > Virgin Records CD #7243-8-44762-2-9, 1997 > JANET JACKSON: "THE VELVET ROPE > Got 'Til It's Gone (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs): > > > Bell #1123, 1973 > MELISSA MANCHESTER "Home To Myself" > Home To Myself > > One Way Records #A22673, 1974 > FLO & EDDIE "Illegal, Immoral & Fattening" > Kama Sutra Time > > Rhino Records #72263, 1973-'75 > "The Best Of The National Lampoon Radio Hour" > You Put Me Thru Hell (Joni Mitchell Parody) > > Fogerty's Cove Music #FCM 001D, 1978 > STAN ROGERS "Turnaround" > So Blue > > Paisley Park #9 25577-2, 1987 > PRINCE "Sign '0' THE TIMES" > The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker > > Island #422-842 319-2, 1990 > KEVIN KINNEY "MacDougal Blues" > MacDougal Blues > > Atlantic #82322-2, 1991 > EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL "Worldwide" > Frozen River > > Creative #LP-072, 1991 > FLUKE "The Techno Rose Of Blighty" > Joni > > Epitaph Records #86430, 1993 > SNAFU "Something Green And Leafy This Way Comes" > Joni Mitchell Tapes > > GeeStreet #32510, 1993 > P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...? > Looking Through Patient Eyes > > Reprise #9 45608-2, 1994 > LUKE BLOOM "Turf" > To Begin To > > Earthbeat #9 42564-2, 1994 > FERRON "Driver" > Maya > > Kill Rock Stars #KRS-238, 1995 > MARY LOU LORD "Self-Titled EP" > His Indie World > > Reprise/Maverick #45901-2, 1995 > ALANIS MORISSETTE "Jagged Little Pill > Your House > ------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:53:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hi from the Bay Area in California njc hi there and welcome! i will call you bunny buns or bb, if i may. since janet has already volunteered to be your list stepmom, can i be your step-aunt? take care now. ;-) wally K > So thats all I can think of to write. I better go, its really late. Well, hopefully, I'll meet all of you >later. > > Love and peace, > Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: FTR and not to blame > Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For the > Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. > > BDub (longtime lurker) sorry but the occasion warrants it: ME TOO! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:20:03 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) I for one am glad that Judy Collins canceled. The Episcopal Church IMHO has wiggled on things before - there are still dioceses that do not allow women to serve in ordained ministry and bishops do not have to ordain women; that is their "local option." And if they want to local option gays and lesbians, how many decades will go by before they are accepted across the church... after all, after 25+ years, women still aren't. I have had some experience with the Episcopal Church on this issue, as well as with the Lutheran Church that ordained me as a pastor back in 1977. That is why our little church body was formed, to just get on with ministry and stop having to fight for what God has already approved. I respect those who remain in those church bodies to struggle from within but I also applaud the occasional public wake up call, such as Judy Collins provided. Thanks, Judy! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:48:19 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: summer performance dates (NJC) Greetings, I just returned from a week in Sarasota, Florida where I was visiting my family with Holley. The water was just beautiful and I really wanted to stay there much longer than I did. However, I am back in Atlanta and have lined up several shows for this summer around the metro Atlanta area. It would be really swell to see some of you there. And anyone from outside of Atlanta (Lisa, Alice...?) is always welcome to make a little trip. We will make sure you have a place to crash. ***All shows completely free*** July 21 Friday Starbucks Java Jam Series 8-10 pm Northlake location @ 3983 La Vista Road, Tucker 770 270-0611 July 28 Friday Starbucks Java Jam Series 8-10 pm Roswell location @ 10800 Alparetta Hwy, Roswell 770 552-4118 Aug 4 Friday Border's Books 8-10 pm Buckhead location @ 3637 Peachtree Road, Atlanta 404 237-0707 Aug 11 Friday Starbucks Java Jam Series 8-10 pm Decatur Square location @ 133 E. Court Sq, Decatur 404 371-1104 Aug 25 Friday Starbucks Java Jam Series 8-10 pm Virginia Highlands location @ 800 N.Highland, Atlanta 404 249-6268 Thanks for all your support, Victor NP: Sunnytime Soup "It's So Natural" (an awesome cd of children's music I will tell you more about soon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:29:26 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Pret a Porter (NJC) Steve Dulson was drooling when he responded to > (the Rev) Vince who innocently wrote: > > > About the only Altman film I didn't care for was Ready to Wear > > (Pret a Porter) and even that had its many fine fine moments. > > Yeah, says Steve, grinning lasciviously, like the last five minutes... :) > 1. Only in a Joni Mitchell list could you actually have a thread on Altman and a subject like "Pret a Porter"... one of many reasons to love it in here! 2. For those who have not seen ":Ready to Wear", everyone will be impressed by Sophia Loren (how does she still look so good?). There is some gay content in the middle of the film, and a whole lot of naked ladies at the end... not giving the plot away since I saw the multitude of naked ladies coming early on in the movie... but it truly is a movie for everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:22:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC In a message dated 07/11/2000 4:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << I AM MOVING TO HAWAII AT THE END OF AUGUST/BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO HOOK UP WITH OTHER JONI-PHILES WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EDUCATING ME ABOUT LIFE IN THE ISLANDS. >> Russ, I know Rainbow lives on one of the Hawaiian Islands but I don't have her address and she hasn't posted in awhile. Anyone have the addy for Rainbow, she had such pleasant posts on the list. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:36:17 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: RS - article on Joni's romances I have heard so much about this RS article? Does anyone have the article or the date, issue? Tahnks, DArice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:37:59 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #382 Favorites are: Hejira Turbulent Indigo Hissing of the Summer Lawns Shadows and Light Court and Spark Songs Judgement of the Moon and Stars Amelia edith and the Kingpin Turbulent Indigo Hejira and Song for Sharon (a tie) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:42:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman Bob writes: << Since jmdlers seem to love artistic perfection in all its forms, I thought I would share my enthusiasm for Altman at his finest. "Nashville" is stunning. If any of you know of any other movie that paints such a vivid portrait of American life, please let me know. >> Although IMO Mark in Seattle is the film king on the list, I'd like to put my two cents in for two other Altman films. "3 Women" made in 1977 with Shelley Duvall and Sissy Spacek is one hell of a strange but GREAT movie. The other fav of mine is "Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean Jimmy Dean" made in 1982 with Cher, Sandy Dennis, Karen Black, and Kathy Bates. If you like Robert Altman, these are must rentals for the summer. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:45:13 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: "Russian on Prozac?" Mark asked: > A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the > Greek Theater show from this year. > She said this at the show I was at too in camden,NJ. Someone please correct me if I am wrong(it's been known to happen) but Larry Klein, Joni's ex-husband, is the "Russian on Prozac." She was making reference to how excitable he gets. He was the one that played the bass at the shows. Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:57:36 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Nashville (NJC) Hi all, Count me as another fan of this great movie. A favorite scene of mine which hasn't been mentioned yet: Barbara Baxley's speech about the Kennedys. Premiere magazine had a long article last month about the making of the film, a compilation of interviews with Altman, the producers, and most of the actors. - --David NP: _Sacred Music of the Moroccan Jews_ (on Rounder) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:01:45 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: NJC, Laura Nyro Thank you for these tidbits! I, too, am a long time Laura fan. It was so wonderful having had the opportunity to meet her. She really wrote from her soul. Heather At 06:01 PM 7/10/00 +0000, James Phillips wrote: >Dear all, > >This thread about Laura Nyro is wonderful!:) I too was saddened when I >read in Newsweek or Time or People (can't remember for the life of me) >when she passsed on. I have a number of her recordings, and listen to her >when I get a chance. There is a biography coming out on Laura Nyro by >author Michele Kort (who has written interviews of people for the Advocate.) > >My favourite Laura album of all time is tied between the First Songs and >Gonna take a miracle. The first songs was an impressive debut collection >IMHO. Gonna take a miracle is wonderful from start to finish. I also >liked that she had Labelle (post Bluebelles pre Lady Marmalade) singing >with her. >She and Patti met in the early 70's thru Labelle manager Vicki Wickham, >and remained good friends. Read Patti's book Don't block the >blessings. It contains references to Laura Nyro. Patti's cookboo also >has references to Laura Nyro. > >The official Laura Nyro site is http://www.lauranyro.com and drop by and >see it when you get a chance. > >James Phillips >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:08:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman and "beyond therapy", of course, with glenda jackson. it's a hoot! wallyK > If > you like Robert Altman, these are must rentals for the summer. > > Jimmy > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:12:11 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Hi Hello Adrian, Hey, welcome to the list. Just one quick question...as for your boyfriend disliking Joni's style, my question would be...which one? folk pop/rock jazz Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:10:23 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: SJC, Laura Nyro Doesn't the piano line in Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp just stir you up inside? I love that album. I like to hear most of the covers done of Laura's and Joni's music but I will always like the way they perform their music the best. Do you know there are some people that do not like (gasp!) Laura's or Joni's voice when they sing? I think I converted my husband by taking him to the BSN concert. Afterwards he said no one could sing BSN like Joni. Needless to say I was in shock to hear these words come out of his mouth! Heather At 02:17 PM 7/10/00 -0400, Jerry Notaro wrote: >To combine threads, my 2 top Laura albums are Gonna Take a Miracle and >Christmas and the Beads of Sweat. I listened to both of those as much as Joni, >Tapestry, and Wildflowers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:22:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC - "Nashville," the CD Someone posted to the list yesterday that he was listening to his warped vinyl copy of the soundtrack for "Nashville" because it was never released on CD. Well, I checked out the situation today, and the soundtrack was released on CD in May of this year, as part of a 25th anniversary tribute to the movie. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:33:44 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) The Rev wrote: >That is why our little church body was formed, to just get on >with ministry and stop having to fight for what God has already >approved. I respect those who remain in those church bodies to struggle >from within but I also applaud the occasional public wake up call, such >as Judy Collins provided. I'll put an amen on that! When WILL people stop separating and come together. Ms. Judy gets a high five from me. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:09:37 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Pret a Porter (NJC) There is some gay > content in the middle of the film, and a whole lot of naked ladies at the > end... Yeah and they're these skinny little fashion model types who all look like victims of a famine. Now come on, Dulson, that *really* turns you on?? ;-) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:16:28 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) In a message dated 7/11/00 8:46:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << I'll put an amen on that! When WILL people stop separating and come together. Ms. Judy gets a high five from me. >> but heather...this is exactly my point....judy separated herself. she went home because everyone there didn't act the way she thought was appropriate. and the net result was that her influence was missed to help the group. it's easy to walk away. i know...i've done it. but it's hard to stay and help make things get better. it's a more humble fight. judy had the chance to help people come together...and she chose instead to separate herself. help me see it otherwise..please. i'm open..just blind. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:30:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: unmasking don juan > > At 3:28 PM -0400 7/11/00, Michael Bird wrote: > >So, I have one more. Who, in the context of DJRD, is Don Juan? Or, > >more precisely, which Don Juan is she the reckless daughter of? I think she's referring to both. I've never read the Castaneda books but what little I know about them seems to fit. And Joni's preoccupation with romantic love would make the other Don Juan an equally likely candidate, imo. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:34:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California njc > hi there and welcome! > i will call you bunny buns or bb, if i may. since janet has already > volunteered to be your list stepmom, can i be your step-aunt? > take care now. ;-) > wally K I'd volunteer as Daddy but wouldn't *that* give a *completely* inappropriate impression?! Welcome to the list, Adrian. You'll find lots of 'family' here - both gay & otherwise. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:50:28 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus the album (NJC) In a message dated 7/10/00 9:14:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm@aol.com writes: << What are our top 3 Mingus albums? >> This is even more difficult to do rhan picking 5 Joni albums, but I'll give it a whirl... 1) The Mingus Candid Sessions - these recordings have been reissued many times, and I don't know the title of the present reissue, but these were recorded in 1960 with Eric Dolphy and ted Curson, and contain the original Fables of Faubus. 2) Changes One (Atlantic) 3) The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady (Impulse) While they are fantastic lp's, I would not consider Jazz At Massey Hall or Money Jungle as Mingus albums, as they do not contain any of his compositions, but they are excellent examples of Mingus, the bass virtuoso. Had Mingus not been the major composer that he was, his place in jazz history would be secure as the succesor to Jimmy Blanton and Oscar Pettiford in terms of his instrument. Massey Hall is one of the greatest jazz albums of all time - - containing some of the most brilliant playing of Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and Bud Powell, and Money Jungle is one of Duke's finest piano recordings, and features some otherwise rarely heard Ellington compositions. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:55:35 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS writes with information >__________________________________________________________________ >Subject: The Johnstons > >I found this page about The Johnstons on Paul Brady's website. >http://www.paulbrady.com/johnstons.html They were the first >band to do a cover of BSN when they released it as a single in >'68 with Urge For Going on the b side. Apparently Joni did some >shows with them in England. The single was awful and I made a >frisbee out of it a long time ago. Sorry Bob! > >Philip >__________________________________________________________________ sorry Philip, but this information isn't quite correct. The Johnstons LP "GIVE A DAMN" containing "Urge For Going" as well as "Both Sides Now" (Transatlantic #TRA-184) was recorded between august and november 1968. the Judy Collins LP "WILDFLOWERS" was *released* in november 1967. in april 1968 "Dave Van Ronk & The Hudson Dusters" (a self-titled LP) was released. it contained both "Chelsea Morning" as well as "Clouds" Dave's title for "Both Sides Now". Joni called her 2nd album "Clouds" in deference to Dave. below is a portion of an article i'm sure you'll find interesting. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- FROM: Goldmine Magazine Issue #380 ~ February 17, 1995 Joni Mitchell: From Blue to Indigo by William Ruhlman But other events were conspiring to put Joni Mitchell before the public. For one thing, the musical climate, which, only the previous fall, had seemed to favor psychedelia and the elaborate eclecticism of Sgt. Pepper, had changed in favor of her approach. Bob Dylan's comeback album, John Wesley Harding, released the last week of 1967 on the same day as Leonard Cohen's debut LP Songs Of Leonard Cohen, countered the new complexity with a new simplicity. Soon after, Simon and Garfunkel topped the charts with Bookends and the soundtrack to The Graduate, and soft, quiet folkie music seemed to be back. At the same time, Mitchell's folkie champions continued to record her material. April saw the release of Tom Rush's The Circle Game, containing the title track, "Tin Angel" and - finally - his version of "Urge For Going." Rush's album hit #68. The same month, Dave Van Ronk and the Hudson Dusters released their self-titled album, featuring "Chelsea Morning" and the song he insisted on calling "Clouds." But the biggest factor in broadening Joni Mitchell's exposure was Judy Collins. After its release in November 1967, her Wildflowers LP, containing Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" and "Michael From Mountains," had enjoyed a curious chart history. Most albums of the time had a simple sales profile: A couple of weeks after release, they would enter the charts and rise to a peak, then gradually fall back down and off the list. Not Wildflowers, the sales profile of which would have looked like a mountain range rather than a single spire. It entered the charts on January 6, 1968, at #145 and rose up the chart for the next several weeks, peaking at #47 on March 9. It then began to drop, but reversed itself after hitting a low at #67 on April 13 and slowly began to rise again. On June 22, it hit a new high of #43, and it rose to #36 by July 13 before starting to sink again, but it remained in the Top 50 for the rest of the summer. On September 21, it suddenly dropped from #45 to #76, seeming to indicate that, 38 weeks into its chart run, it was finally running out of gas. But it continued to bounce around in the lower half of the Top 100 for the next several weeks, and it was at #60 on Nov. 2, the day that a single of "Both Sides Now," released nearly a year after the album on which it appeared, entered the Cash Box singles chart at #91 and made Billboard's Bubbling Under The Hot 100 chart at #120. Curiously, Wildflowers started to slip as "Both Sides Now" went up the singles chart, but on November 23, as "Both Sides Now" made the Top 20, it jumped 20 places to #48, and by December 14, it had hit a new peak at #31, while In My Life, Collins' previous album, had re-entered the charts. On December 21, "Both Sides Now" peaked at #8 on the Hot 100, and the following week, Wildflowers celebrated a full year in the charts by reaching its final peak at #5 on the LP chart. "Both Sides Now" became an instant standard, appearing on albums by at least 15 different artists in 1969 alone, and it is no doubt the most widely recorded song Joni Mitchell ever wrote. It has been recorded by Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Neil Diamond, Andy Williams and Willie Nelson, among many others. ---------------------------------------------- "Pride, like humility, is destroyed by one's insistence the he possesses it." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:57:15 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Stupid Girl? (Not Joni) Brian Workman writes ... >_____________________________________________________________________ >You forgot Stupid Girl by Neil Young from Zuma which he in >an interview when it was released said was about Joni. > >Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For >the Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. > >BDub (longtime lurker) >_____________________________________________________________________ Sorry Bob, I didn't forget anything. I intentionally left this song off the list. "Stupid Girl" by Neil Young is not about Joni Mitchell. try Carrie Snodgrass, mother of Neil's oldest son Zeke. Neil and Joni are old and dear friends from their pre-fame days back in Canada. Neil would never write such a song about Joni Mitchell as for "Not To Blame" why anyone would think this song is about Mr. Simpson is simply beyond me. FTR: the song PreDates Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" Album. TI was recorded, 'in the can' and awaiting release well before the June 12, 1994 murders of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman by a person-or-persons Unknown! besides, Jackson Browne sees Himself and His behavior in the songs lyric. why argue with him? "For The Roses" is about James Taylor. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SJC, Laura Nyro > Doesn't the piano line in Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp just stir you up > inside? I love that album. I've said it before & I'll say it again. 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' is an overlooked classic and a work of genius. It has some similarities to Joni's greatest work - the seamless flow of one song into the next, for one - and yet it is so different from anything Joni has ever done. To me the song 'Brown Earth' is Laura's 'Chelsea Morning' and 'Been on a Train' is her 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire.' The subject matters are similar but the two women approached them in such different ways. I also think that Rickie Lee Jones' 'Pirates' owes a lot to Laura Nyro. Tori Amos is another one of her musical descendants, imo. I agree with you about the piano in 'Upstairs By a Chinese Lamp', Heather. The way it segues into 'Map to the Treasure' is brilliant and beautiful. She certainly left us much too soon. It's a pity that she wasn't as prolific as Joni was. But Laura seems to have had other priorities. I used to think Sharon in 'Song for Sharon' was actually Laura Nyro since she kind of dropped out of sight after she got married & became a mother. Of course I know better now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:02:25 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 Hello to you all. I've been reading the postings for the past week or so. There is so much to go through .. and I find I make the time to read it as I get lots of little tidbits that I didn't know, or better yet .. hadn't thought of for years. I've been a fan ... a big fan since I graduated from high school in 1971. Every album's release was like a birthday. I can remember "first listens" on many of them ... they were occasions. I loved turning my rock and roll friends on to Court and Spark and watching their confusion about this folk singer's ability. And For the Roses ... Ahh that was perfect. And what a nice bunch of folks you all are. The disagreements are so cordial and the pin head statements kept to a minimum. Looking forward to reading more from you folks. Just hope this doesn't just seem so righteous from the start. Peace, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:03:27 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI INTERPRETERS Joseph, I liked your lists, want to revisit mine and include Mingus. Come In From The Cold is a sometimes overlooked tune, and Cassandra Wilson's version of Black Crow with Don Byron on otherworldly clarinet is the wildest. I didn't realize that Janis Siegel, of Manhattan Transfer fame, had produced any solo efforts, but confirmed that fact via CD NOW, after your making mention of her, always appreciated her voice. FYI... Dianne Reeves also recorded River, on her most recent Bridges album, a version which features nice soprano sax work by Kenny Garrett. Thanks. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:05:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman > Although IMO Mark in Seattle is the film king on the list Ooo, Jimmy, don't put that one on me! I do admit to having a fair amount of knowledge about movies made up until about 1980 but after that I'm pretty sketchy. My knowledge is pretty limited to the so-called 'classics' category. Now if you want to know about the films of say, oh I don't know, Bette Davis, maybe? or Katharine Hepburn? or Elizabeth Taylor? - those I know about. (What a queen I truly am at heart!) I'd like to put my > two cents in for two other Altman films. "3 Women" made in 1977 with Shelley > Duvall and Sissy Spacek is one hell of a strange but GREAT movie. > The other fav of mine is "Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean Jimmy > Dean" made in 1982 with Cher, Sandy Dennis, Karen Black, and Kathy Bates. "Jimmy Dean" is also a favorite of mine. Cher & Karen Black will amaze you if you haven't seen this one before. Julie Webb was the movie person on this list. Julie?!! Are you still out there somewhere? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Joni & Judy Sue Cameron asked: Did Wally get to see any of these paintings on his visit to Joni's? The answer to this is yes. When Wally returned from Joni's house he spent a lot of time telling me about walking through her studio (the bedroom that she formerly shared with ex-husband Larry)and seeing all the paintings stacked up around the perimeter of the room. I saw Judy Collins perform last Sunday, July 9th. The first song of the set was "Both Sides Now" and surprisingly Judy flubbed many of the lyrics. I had the feeling during this show that Judy was pre-occupied - perhaps thinking about her cancelled appearance the following day. Judy did mention Joni several times during the concert - - notably how Joni and Leonard Cohen inspired her to write original material. Welcome Adrian! I also live in the Bay Area and go to San Francisco often. Maybe we can meet sometime and talk the Joni talk. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:21:42 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) sorry - i must have read wrong. At 09:16 PM 7/11/00 -0400, Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/11/00 8:46:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net >writes: > ><< I'll put an amen on that! When WILL people stop separating and come > together. Ms. Judy gets a high five from me. > >> > >but heather...this is exactly my point....judy separated herself. she went >home because everyone there didn't act the way she thought was appropriate. >and the net result was that her influence was missed to help the group. it's >easy to walk away. i know...i've done it. but it's hard to stay and help >make things get better. it's a more humble fight. > >judy had the chance to help people come together...and she chose instead to >separate herself. > >help me see it otherwise..please. i'm open..just blind. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:27:00 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: "Russian on Prozac?" Hey Mark, Nikki, and gang, I had the pleasure of attending 4 of the BSN shows (NYC twice, CT & NJ) and she used that line at each of the shows. Prozac is one of the most popular antidepressants - its a pill that many people take who suffer from depression. It got a nice chuckle at all the shows. She used this line to underscore that fact that Larry, as musical director (and of course bassist) for the shows selected several of the non-BSN songs from her catalogue that she was going to perform - she referred to theses songs - particularly Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) - and possibly For The Roses as well - as "some of her most depressing work," and said, "but what can you expect from a Russian on Prozac." The "Russian" part only came in because the concertmaster/band leader, Vince Mendoza, is Latin, so she said (at most or all of the shows) "so you've got a Latin temperment, and a Russian on Prozac" - so this is the type of material that you get. Personally, I didn't understand the Latin/Russian part - in the context of song selection - it was really the line about Prozac that I found amusing and that "worked" to get a laugh out of the audience. After a few shows I actually got a little "analytical" about it, and asked myself if it was really fair to "out" Larry like that and tell the whole world what medications he takes/disorders he suffers from, but Prozac is really such a popular drug, like in the "top 20" of all presecriptions written - plus I'm sure she got clearance from Larry to use the line - at his expense, and therefore he doesn't feel that taking Prozac is anything to be embarassed or ashamed about. -Kenny Nikki Johnson wrote: > Mark asked: > > A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the > > Greek Theater show from this year. > > > She said this at the show I was at too in camden,NJ. Someone please correct > me if I am wrong(it's been known to happen) but Larry Klein, Joni's > ex-husband, is the "Russian on Prozac." She was making reference to how > excitable he gets. He was the one that played the bass at the shows. > Take care > Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:35:43 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: NJC - Ronee, Nashville and Altman Movie goers: Does anyone know what happened to Karen Black? I remember this made-for-TV thing she did back in the mid to late 70's .... something to do with Trilogy .... Trilogy of Fear (??). All I remember is it scared the poop outta me! Curious Heather > > Duvall and Sissy Spacek is one hell of a strange but GREAT movie. > > The other fav of mine is "Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean >Jimmy > > Dean" made in 1982 with Cher, Sandy Dennis, Karen Black, and Kathy >Bates. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:54:17 +1000 From: john low Subject: Jazz - Monk & Mingus NJC David Lahm recently (Digest 383) recommended some Jazz recordings to Lori. David, those recommendations of Monk recordings you gave Lori have come just at the right moment for me too! As a late starter with jazz I’ve only just begun to listen to Monk. Only the other day I bought a recording of a concert he and his group gave in Paris ca 1967 and it’s hardly been out of my CD player. (I love Charlie Rouse’s sax playing.) I was wondering where to go next with Monk and now your post has provided me with some direction. I must say too that I only have one Mingus album – a ‘Giants of Jazz’ compilation of his music from the mid-1950s which includes, and is titled, “Pithecanthropus Erectus” - so your (and other’s) posts of favourite Mingus albums has also been useful. So, thanks heaps! Your jazz knowledge is much appreciated. John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:54:44 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus the album (NJC) I truly think Fables of Faubus first appeared on Mingus Ah Um. Eric Dolphy was one of the GIANTS. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:02:07 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) In a message dated 07/11/2000 9:24:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << judy separated herself. she went home because everyone there didn't act the way she thought was appropriate. >> Judy didn't separate herself, she took a stand. A public stand. She spoke out against what she feels is wrong. And when she speaks, there are people who listen. As a gay man, I appreciate what she did. In the 1960s she spoke out against racism and helped to register Black voters in the South. Judy fights for what she believes in and she felt that by not performing she was calling attention to the injustice. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:08 EDT From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #288 OK, I can't resist having my say. The top 5 songs and albums from one of the newest JMDL'rs (joined after returning home from the Mendel opening in Saskatoon), but a lifelong devotee: ALBUMS 1) Hejira (not any surprise from me; stronger than ever now that I've returned from the province containing Baljennie and Maidstone) 2) Blue (I still suspect if everything falls apart in my life someday this will pull me through) 3) Night Ride Home (the best of her most recent albums, great to drive to) 4) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (so that's what DJRD stands for, OK fellow lovers) 5) For the Roses (haven't listened to recently, but the best album to test speakers!) SONGS 1) Cherokee Louise (the humanity and sadness of teenage torment) 2) Chinese Cafe (is Carol really Carole? Also, the clue about Kilauren's existence) 3) Paprika Plains (another lament on Indians, the Prairie, and a virtual symphony) 4) Cactus Tree (did she see her future on her first album?) 5) Banquet (can it still inspire us to make a better world?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:07:07 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Mingus the album Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > What are our top 3 Mingus albums? The only one I know is "Let My Children Hear Music", which I discovered in my teens. It's from the '70's and has some cool stuff on it, I'm sure very different than his early stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:38:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 << The disagreements are so cordial and the pin head statements kept to a minimum. Looking forward to reading more from you folks. Just hope this doesn't just seem so righteous from the start. >> Welcome, Tim! Hope you continue to enjoy it here and that continue to live up to the observation you have made! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Eleanor Rigby" (Didn't know this great live release was out there until I was "forced" into the record store tonight. It totally rocks! "Joe Jackson - Summer In The City, Live In New York") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:40:20 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: "Russian on Prozac?" Oh yeah I had forgotten the context she used it in...if I had a memory it'd be dangerous! Thanks for reminding me, that makes a lot of sense now that you refreshed my memory! I dunno if he really takes it or if it was just kind of a joke? Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kenny > Grant > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:27 PM > To: Nikki Johnson > Cc: Mark Domyancich; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: "Russian on Prozac?" > > > Hey Mark, Nikki, and gang, > > I had the pleasure of attending 4 of the BSN shows (NYC twice, CT > & NJ) and she > used that line at each of the shows. Prozac is one of the most popular > antidepressants - its a pill that many people take who suffer > from depression. > > It got a nice chuckle at all the shows. She used this line to > underscore that > fact that Larry, as musical director (and of course bassist) for the shows > selected several of the non-BSN songs from her catalogue that she > was going to > perform - she referred to theses songs - particularly Judgement > of the Moon and > Stars (Ludwig's Tune) - and possibly For The Roses as well - as > "some of her > most depressing work," and said, "but what can you expect from a > Russian on > Prozac." > > The "Russian" part only came in because the concertmaster/band > leader, Vince > Mendoza, is Latin, so she said (at most or all of the shows) "so > you've got a > Latin temperment, and a Russian on Prozac" - so this is the type > of material > that you get. > > Personally, I didn't understand the Latin/Russian part - in the > context of song > selection - it was really the line about Prozac that I found > amusing and that > "worked" to get a laugh out of the audience. > > After a few shows I actually got a little "analytical" about it, and asked > myself if it was really fair to "out" Larry like that and tell > the whole world > what medications he takes/disorders he suffers from, but Prozac > is really such > a popular drug, like in the "top 20" of all presecriptions > written - plus I'm > sure she got clearance from Larry to use the line - at his expense, and > therefore he doesn't feel that taking Prozac is anything to be > embarassed or > ashamed about. > > -Kenny > > Nikki Johnson wrote: > > > Mark asked: > > > A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the > > > Greek Theater show from this year. > > > > > She said this at the show I was at too in camden,NJ. Someone > please correct > > me if I am wrong(it's been known to happen) but Larry Klein, Joni's > > ex-husband, is the "Russian on Prozac." She was making reference to how > > excitable he gets. He was the one that played the bass at the shows. > > Take care > > Nikki > > > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in > this world was > > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:49:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI INTERPRETERS In a message dated 7/11/00 8:13:56 PM US Central Standard Time, davebeth@bellatlantic.net writes: << I didn't realize that Janis Siegel, of Manhattan Transfer fame, had produced any solo efforts, but confirmed that fact via CD NOW, after your making mention of her, always appreciated her voice. FYI... Dianne Reeves also recorded River, on her most recent Bridges album, a version which features nice soprano sax work by Kenny Garrett. >> Fred Hersch play piano on that Janis Siegel track...it's really pretty, as is the Dianne Reeves. Both are captured on the Covers series... Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "King Of The World" Another Steely Dan cover!!! Whoo-Hooo!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jul 12 00:01:04 2000 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Mystical Coincidences - Kind of long Hello everyone! My name is Jack. I live in Chicago, and operate in lurk mode most of the time (I've been a subscriber since the early days). With all of the Joni activity going on lately, I've been motivated to come out of hiding, and participate once again. This message is kind of long, but, hey, I've got alot of time to make up for! Thanks to everyone for the Mendel updates - with all of the incredible posts coming out of S'toon, I feel like I was there (well, almost). Now for my topic - I have read on several occasions how fond Joni is of what I would call mystical coincidences. The most obvious example I can think of involves Mingus, who (according to the album liner notes)died at the age of 56, and on the exact day he died, 56 whales beached themselves off of the Mexican coast. Another story I remember reading involved the recording of The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey. I'm a little fuzzy on this one, but if I remember it correctly, she had recorded all of the music (without the wolf howls), and decided the song needed something extra. She then got the idea to record wolf howls, and try and mix them into the song. So she set out to the mountains with her trusty tape recorder, and managed to get some howling that she was pretty happy with. She then brought the tape back to the studio, in hopes of slicing and dicing these sounds into something useable on the track. She started by playing the howls along side the music track, and to her c! omplete astonishment - it fit perfectly - no cuts, no edits, no nothing. The timing was perfect, the pitch was perfect. What we hear on the album comes directly from that tape. In the interview I read Joni told this story so well, I got goose bumps (If anyone knows which interview this was, I would love to read it again). Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else out there has had a similar kind of mystical coincidence in their lives - especially if it involves Joni. I'll try and get the ball rolling by telling mine. Shortly after Hejira came out, I was living in Tucson, Arizona. I had been a fan of Joni's since Blue, but to be honest, I was more of casual fan - I still hadn't had that deep down, Oh my God, this stuff is amazing, type of reaction to her music yet. Well, Hejira changed all of that. At times it was almost scary to listen to - how could this woman, whom I've never met, know so much about me - how I feel - what is going on in my life? It was like listening to a recording of the last year of my life. Anyway, that's not the coincidence - I know everyone on this list probably feels that way about at least one of Joni's albums. So here I am in Tucson, with a girlfriend of 4 years still living in Chicago, (a wonderful woman, who also happens to love Joni, by the way), and I'm having all these thoughts about our relationship - should we get married, (You know it was white lace I was chasing), should we call it quits (No regrets, Coyote), when out of the blue, I end up losing my job. Back 20 some years ago, jobs weren't exactly the easiest thing to find in Tucson, so I decide to move back to Chicago, and the girl I left behind (Will she still love me, when I get back to town?) On the day I was leaving Tucson, with every earthy belonging I had in tow behind me, I slipped Hejira into the tape deck (what else?), and headed around town for a few last minute goodbyes. Finally, I was ready to hit the road and I headed for the outskirts of town. I remember how nervous I was, and how sad I was to be leaving Tucson. Was I making the right decision? I was all emotion and abstraction, and yet I remember cert! ain details from the day vividly. It was a rather mild day for Tucson in the middle of summer, only about 85 degrees, and not a cloud in the blue, blue sky. As I hit the city limits, the opening guitar riff of Black Crow started pouring out of the car stereo at me. Then all of sudden, a large black bird flew out of no where, and began flying down the middle of the road, about 20 feet in front of my car and about 10 feet off of the ground. I felt like he was there to send me off on this incredible journey - kind of like the munchkings in the Wizard of Oz. He continued to fly with me, splitting the white lines on the freeway, for the duration of the song. As the last few notes of song faded from the speakers, he rose about 20 feet into the air, and disappeared to the north. I can't even begin to explain what impact this all had on me, except to say that I pulled off to the side of road, and shook for about 10 minutes. Then an amazing calm came over me, and I knew then and! there that my returning to Chicago was the right thing to do. While it didn't work out with me and the old girlfriend, I found a good job, fell in love with a woman I worked with, and we've been married for 16 years now! To this day, when I hear Black Crow, I can picture that large black bird guiding me out of Tucson, and to my new life in the north. Jack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #384 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?