From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 382 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Top 5 Songs ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Mendel Report from Joni's friend - Conclusion [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mendel reports [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC, Laura Nyro [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Nashville Lyrics NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Top 5 Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Nashville Corrected NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Top 5 Songs [RickieLee1@aol.com] RE: NJC, Laura Nyro ["Wally Kairuz" ] Ronee Blakely NJC big time and Nashville [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Mendel Report from Joni's friend/top fives ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Ronee Blakely NJC big time and Nashville ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: top five [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Top 5 [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Mingus the album [FredNow@aol.com] RE: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Top 5 Songs The Last Time I Saw Richard, the flat out best song ever about relationships, adulthood, and responsibility. California, the "BBC live" version w/JT on guitar, even though jt has a couple mis-starts. Amelia, the "Shadows and Light" version, including Pat's Solo Black Crow, the "A Day In The Garden" version. It's over way too soon. Ludwig's Tune, from the "BSN" tour, rumored to be on the next album. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati BTW: When ever I hear Carly's "That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be", it reminds me of "The Last Time I Saw Richard". They both have that "I may be only 24 years old but I've seen it all, buster, and I'm here to tell you- love stinks" attitude. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:31:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mendel Report from Joni's friend - Conclusion << (this stuff is tooo neat!! - much thanks to the shy and generous jmdler who asked me to send this to you all!) Kakki >> I totally agree, Kakki - thanks so much for your efforts to pass it along to us. Reminds me of the 4th grade report card I still have where Mrs. Klemkowski said "Bob sometimes gets lost in foolish behavior - I'm sure he will outgrow this" :~D And THIS (below) has to be the understatement of the century... <<"She's good", she pronounced. "Joan can sing".>> Bob NP: Joni, "Answer Me, My Love", from Camden show ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:37:12 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Mendel reports Kakki writes: << Wow! Thanks so much to Jim J. for the wonderful JM.Com report and beautiful photos. >> That's a big me too Kakki!!! I just got back from vacation, and since I un.subbed from the list, I at least had the pleasure of seeing J.J.'s report and the great pics on Catgirl's list upon my return. I missed the JMDL while I was gone, so now I'm gonna have to check the archives to see what's been going on. I'm just so happy for the Saskatooners! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:36:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, Laura Nyro << My favourite Laura album of all time is tied between the First Songs and Gonna take a miracle. >> Thanks to this group, I picked up on "Beads of Sweat" & "New York Tendaberry" both gorgeous & outstanding records. But "Nested" is probably still my all-time favorite. Truth be told, probably the only reason I bought a CD burner was to convert this tape to CD, and indeed it was the first thing I did with it. Of course, as many of you are aware, I have also put it to good use since! ;~) Bob NP: Joni, ACOY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:50:50 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Nashville Lyrics NJC Ok, now I get to be the next one on this. The song is "It don't worry me." I don't have all the lyrics in front of me... but it goes like: "The price of bread may worry some, but it don't worry me.. economy's depressed, not me, I'm feeling fine as I can be, and you may say that I ain't free, but it don't worry me." So it was not "I" ain't free, but "it" . And the song (and movie) are a remarkable prediction of the Reagan years... and Altman's comment that the plight of the poor is overlooked by those who've got... And it was a masterpiece movie, I agree. That scene where Carradine sings "I'm Easy" to Lily Tomlin, the expression on her face... she should have won a supporting actress Oscar for that scene alone, and the whole movie is one of the best American movies ever filmed. (the Rev) Vince Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In an earlier post, I wrote that in Altman's movie "Nashville," Ronee Blakely: > > "sang 'You Might Say That I Ain't Free, But It Don't Bother Me' at the end of > the movie, after the populist presidential candidate was shot." > > Mark in Seattle wrote: > > "You'd better rent that movie & watch it again. Barbara Harris sings > 'It Don't Worry Me' at the end & it's Ronee's character, Barbara Jean, > that gets shot - not the presidential candidate." > > My response: > > Doh! So much for having a memory! Boy, I miss it... > > But although I loved "Nashville" on the big screen, I've never rented the > video so my memories of the movie are 25 years old. > > Now I'm beginning to remember... Oh, yes... Lilly Tomlin contemplating > infidelity as she listens to Keith Carradine sing "I'm Easy..." Geraldine > Chaplin narrating an automobile pileup on an American expressway for a > British news outlet... > > Mark wrote: > > "One of Altman's best. Thanks for reminding me of it, Bob." > > I'm writing: > > I agree. I'm going to rent it tomorrow. > > By the way, this "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" movie you mentioned... Is that the > one about the lady who sings pop tunes in an operatic voice to Ernest > Borgnine? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:44:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 5 Songs << Ludwig's Tune, from the "BSN" tour, rumored to be on the next album. >> Surely you're being tongue in cheek here, Jim...you think she'd have Vince Mendoza work up the arrangements and then discard them? I'll bet a limb that ALL the "bonus" songs from the concert are on the next record, excepting Trouble Man. And I'll add this from Downbeat's article: "And Mitchell, Klein and Mendoza aren't stopping now. They're currently working on two follow-up orchestral albums, one focusing promarily on Mitchell's compositions, and one covering various Christmas-themed material. So far arrangements are in the works for "For The Roses" and "Judgment Of The Moon And Stars." So, no rumor to it; as Edith Ann would say, it's the trubplftth!" Bob, who still hopes she changes horses in mid stream anyway and has a major muse attack inspiring her to compose new gems! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:00:50 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Nashville Corrected NJC As always, I screwed up.. it is "I" who ain't free in It Don't Worry Me in the movie Nashville... and that referred to the trading of freedom for economic gain and security. Sorry that I mistyped. Now, for those who have not seen Nashville, rent it, a fantastic movie... seeing people recollect on McCabe and Mrs. Miller is a real treat, I loved that movie... anyone see Brewster McCloud? I am a real Altman fan (as you might guess) and I love his later work but his early stuff was just so wonderful, refreshing, so different from American cinema... and yet utterly American. About the only Altman film I didn't care for was Ready to Wear (Pret a Porter) and even that had its many fine fine moments. If anyone ever got me interested in cinema, it was Altman... who shows what a movie can be when freed from Hollywood conventions. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:55:29 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 5 Songs In a message dated 7/10/00 5:52:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Bob, who still hopes she changes horses in mid stream anyway and has a major muse attack inspiring her to compose new gems! ;-) >> here here! i second that emotion brother! this is all just busy work, (IMHO) if it is not too heretical of me to say it out loud. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:42:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC, Laura Nyro > Truth be told, probably the only reason I bought a CD burner was to convert > this tape to CD, and indeed it was the first thing I did with it. > Of course, as many of you are aware, I have also put it to good use since! ;~) > > Bob that is sooooooooo true! bob is generosity incarnate. i will NEVER EVER forget the day i opened my mail and found a cd copy of NESTED, otherwise impossible for this nyro head to get. bob had known that i was desperately looking for nested and that i didn't have a turntable anymore [there was a very expensive vinyl available at that time. i only hope that i can someday return this favor to santa bob. wallyk, whose favorite nyro songs is captain st. lucifer. and all the ones on nested for sentimental reasons! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:40:58 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Ronee Blakely NJC big time and Nashville Whoever first mentioned Robert Altman's "Nashville" and Ronee Blakely, thank you. I dug out the album and am having fine time playing it, even though the first tracks on each side are warped irretrievably. (That means I can kinda play "Tape Deck in his Tractor" on side 2 but "It Don't Worry Me" sung by Keith Carradine is not playable at all.) The rest plays fine, scratches and all. I loved that album - never did find it on cd and wish it had been released... the musical commentary on the album (and evan more in the movie) are so great, and subtle. Altman had the actors write their own songs. Thus Henry Gibson took one of his tackiest poems from Laugh In, Keep A Going, put a country beat on it, and had a sterling country Opry song at its best! And thus Keith Carradine came to write "I'm Easy" and and "It Don't Worry Me." "I'm Easy" is one of the "the" songs of my life... and for reasons beyond the easiest interpretation. The lyrics speak to a profound longing for an honest relationship... As for Ronee Blakely, sometime in the 80s, early 80s I think, she did a show in Chicago. I did not see it... I wanted to but couldn't get to it. The reviewer loved her work. (I am thankful to those who posted as why she never did break through to the big time.) But the ultimate Ronnee Blakely question from "Nashville" was NOT answered at the concert... and the reviewer did comment on it... in Blakely's outstanding, moving song "Dues" what does she say in the chorus? "It hurts so bad it keeps me down, down, down, I want to walk away from this battleground It's hurtin' like it ain't no good I'd give a lot to love you the way I used to do ___________ I could." Does she say "Which I could" or "Wish I could." That of course profoundly impacts on the meaning of the song... is she leaving him because she can't love him anymore, or is she saying, I could still love you but I don't want to. What I remember of the concert review in the Tribune was that she slurred those words in the concert, and the reviewer said that was why he went, to find out what the real lyric was... and so since she didn't make it clear when she sang it, he asked her afterwards and she refused to answer... probably adds to the song that we really don't know the answer. But maybe she was too stoned to know herself? Does anyone know? And does anyone have this on cd? I don't think that it was ever released in that format. Looking at the album, I am amazed to be reminded that Jeff Goldblum (an actor who I cannot stand) was in "Nashville" and I think he was in Keith Carradine's group... the rest of the cast was David Arkin, Barbara Baxley, Ned Beatty, Karen Black, Timothy Brown, Geraldine Chaplin, Robert Doqui, Shelley Duvall, Allen Garfield, Henry Gibson, Scott Glenn, Barbara Harris, David Hayward, Michael Murphy, Allen Nicholls, Dave Peel, Cristina Raines, Bert Remsen, Lily Tomlin, Gwen Welles, Keenan Wynn. Only Altman would have a cast like that! Does anyone remember what movie won the Oscar for Best Picture the year the "Nashville" was nominated for Best Picture and didn't win (which would have been in 76 or 77)? Sorry for the long rambling, but that soundtrack album has always been special to me, and the movie is just beyond words. Every few years I rent it and get blown away again at the quality of that film, one of the best American films ever. Yes, I am done now... sorry to prattle on and on but this thread has just flooded me with memories of what I loved once and again. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jul 10 19:34:06 2000 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Joni and P.M. Dawn I haven't had a chance to read all of the postings as of late, so I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but P.M. Dawn sampled Don't Interupt the Sorrow. He does give Joni a writer's credit for it in the liner notes of the CD. I know it's on Jesus Wept, but I can't recall the song off the top of my head - I believe it might be Forever Damaged (the 96th). If need be, I can check it out tonight, and let you know for sure. I hope this helps, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:47:34 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Mingus the album Hello David Here are mine. It is thanks to Joni that I have been introduced to the wonder that is Charles Mingus. His Big Band are playing in London this week and I hope to go see. Sue Graham-Mingus might be there.... she might not. Mingus Dynasty Ah Um Black Saint and The Sinner Lady Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- > What are our top 3 Mingus albums? > > MIngus ah um > Blues and Roots > Jazz at Massey Hall (Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Bud Powell, Mingus & > Max Roach) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:06:19 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Mendel Report from Joni's friend/top fives wow! thanks kakki and the "shy" jmdler for the effort on this! it was a FANTASTIC read!!! o.k., and while i am here... top five albums: (in no real order) Hejira Blue Night Ride Home Don Juan's For the Roses top five songs: "the last time i saw richard" "strange boy" "off night backstreet" "lakota" "two grey rooms" this would probably be different if i was ever asked to repeat it...it's all so relative to what's going on in life, i think. take care all, alison e. in slc. np: all things considered, npr - ---------- >From: "Kakki" >To: >Subject: Mendel Report from Joni's friend - Conclusion >Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000, 2:39 PM > >Part 3 of report by Anne Bayin for the CBC. (this stuff is tooo neat!! - >much thanks to the shy and generous jmdler who asked me to send this to you >all!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:08:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ronee Blakely NJC big time and Nashville In a message dated 07/10/2000 7:33:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Does anyone remember what movie won the Oscar for Best Picture the year the "Nashville" was nominated for Best Picture and didn't win (which would have been in 76 or 77)? >> Hey Vince (and a belated happy birthday) ! "Nashville" lost out to "One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" (another good movie). Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:09:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: report from Joni's childhood friend NJC <> That is too funny kakki. I wouldn't be a bit surprised though. LOL I had a childhood best friend by the name of Betsy too. But she was from NJ and now resides in Delaware. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:28:58 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Songs For & About JONI (The List) bob wrote: > >And "Luke" Bloom on your list is actually "Luka", although it's >not his real >name. He's the brother of Christy Moore, a very famous singer and >writer in >his own right, but didn't want to be in his shadow, so he took his >name from >Suzanne Vega's song and the character in Ulysses by James Joyce. >You probably >knew all that but maybe it will interest somebody else. > well i think luka bloom is a huge talent, with one of the sexiest voices in the world and a fascinating songwriter, but i didn't know that he was related to christy moore, or the sources of his pseudonym (or even that it was one). i love the tribute to vega, a great, undersung artist. i've heard, but don't own the joni-related song. just love when the list kicks up these little pieces of trivia. patrick np - luka bloom - your country ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:15:36 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: P.M. Dawn question hey emily, as bob has said, pm dawn's version of "i's a muggin" is just a rap based on a the sample, just after his ska version of 'free man in paris' in the first half of the concert. not a particularly high point in the concert. i'd be happy to dub a copy of this concert for you, please contact me offlist. it's been one of the greatest gifts that has come to me by being on this list, this particular concert. it's not surprising that you don't remember 'muggin', in a four-hour show. there is a tremendous amount of gold in the concert that you could hear again. it wasn't, apparently, so special, to those who weren't there, but i relive my excitement every time i listen to the tape. btw, danny kapilian, producer of joni's jazz, is at it again. the BAM next wave season has been announced, and one event is a recreation of the bill evans orchestra 1974 tribute to hendrix at carnegie, with martin, medeski and wood, chris whitley, vernon reid, some other artists i admire. kapilian's got a good track record on these; his live replay of prince's '1999' at BAM just before new years was a satisfying musical event, especially the reprise of the title song, where toshi reagon came out and sang each verse as a blues holler. patrick jfp - prefab sprout - carnival 2000 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Emily >Kirk Gray >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:22 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: P.M. Dawn question > > > >hi everyone! i was wondering, with the recent thread about >P.M. Dawn, how it is that they "performed" "I's A Muggin'" >at the Joni's Jazz concert in NYC. isn't this "song" >really only a few seconds of messing around between joni >and mingus? did they stretch it into a longer version? >i'm confused...any clarification appreciated. > >the weird thing is that i was AT the joni's jazz thing last >summer and don't even recall them doing this...i think i >must have just been bowled over by their lovely, spooky >rendition of "song for sharon" to remember their other >performance! > >-- emily > >NP: ron sexsmith, "several miles" off his self-titled album... >this song is haunting and achingly brilliant -- go get this >record, i urge! > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:29:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Ronee Blakely NJC big time and Nashville > But the ultimate Ronnee Blakely question from "Nashville" was NOT > answered at the concert... and the reviewer did comment on it... in > Blakely's outstanding, moving song "Dues" what does she say in the > chorus? > > "It hurts so bad it keeps me down, down, down, > I want to walk away from this battleground > It's hurtin' like it ain't no good > I'd give a lot to love you the way I used to do > ___________ I could." > > Does she say "Which I could" or "Wish I could." I always heard "wish". Meaning she wishes she could love him the way she used to do but she can't and doesn't. I was also disappointed in 'Ready To Wear.' I liked most of 'Short Cuts.' I thought that one was a creditable return to the style of 'Nashville.' 'The Player' was quite good and I really liked 'Cookie's Fortune' a lot. Especially the church performance of Oscar Wilde's 'Salome.' I actually played Jokannen (John the Baptist) in a student directed production of that play in college. One of my best friends (who lives here in Shoreline now and I talk to on a regular basis) played Salome. It was a big joke to us when Salome looks at Jokannen and says 'How wasted he is!' The whole cast just about busted a gut the first time we came to that part in rehearsal. It was soooooo true most of the time in those days! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:38:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Incredible report from Joni's childhood friend - Part 1 > A shy jmdler has forwarded to me the most wonderful report from the CBC web > site written by a childhood girlfriend of Joni!! The link with beautiful > and vintage photos is http://cbc.ca/news/indepth/joni/# I will also post > the story here for those without web access. These "insider" accounts are > fascinating. Wonder if we will eventually hear from Sharon and Betsy and > Ray's Dad, too? ;-) Kakki Thank you so much for posting this, Kakki. This is one of the most interesting pieces I have ever read about Joni. It's nice to get the perspective of a childhood friend who obviously still cares about Joni & vice versa. I'm so happy for all of you who were able to attend the opening. Envious as all hell, but happy. I hope they do tour the show and that it comes somewhere near Seattle. I admire Joni so much for her refusal to follow trends and create what she wants in whatever style that interests her. That's a big part of my love for her & her work - both musical & visual. Will I ever get to meet her myself, though? Sigh. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) Thought this would be of interest to many here. What a classy lady Judy Collins is! - -------------------------- Saturday July 08 03:23 AM EDT Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians SUMMARY: The famed singer of protest songs is expressing her views about the church's non-positions on lesbians and gays by giving them the silent treatment. Singer Judy Collins announced July 6 that she's canceling a concert to benefit an Episcopalian charity to protest the denomination's discriminatory policies against gays and lesbians. Collins' news release was applauded by gay Reverend Mel White's Soulforce group, which held a July 4 demonstration and civil disobedience leading to 73 arrests as the U.S. Anglicans prepared to open their General Convention in Denver; the Episcopalian lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender network Integrity, however, takes a brighter view of the position of gays and lesbians in the 2.4-million-member denomination. Collins was to be the headliner at a July 10 benefit for the Presiding Bishop's Fund for World Relief, a highlight of the General Convention that closes July 14, but th! e ! show will go on without her. Collins wrote, "On Wednesday, July 5th, I was shocked to learn that the Episcopal Church, of which I'm member and in which I was married, does not have an official national church policy allowing ministers to officiate at same-sex unions or ordain openly gay people. Allowing each diocese to determine whether or not to ordain gays and lesbians or bless same-gender couples on a local level, rather then making a church wide decision, I feel is tantamount to accepting and supporting discrimination. Based on this indecision of the Episcopal Church, to fully accept all persons into the Christian faith, I must in good conscience cancel my performance at the Episcopal Church General convention." Wildflower Records, which distributed Collins' press release, added, "The vote to change the 'local option,' allowing each diocese to determine whether or not to ordain gays and lesbians or bless same gender couples on a local level, rather then making a church-wide decision, will happen next week at the convention. In canceling her concert, Ms. Collins hopes to send a message to the leaders of the Christian community that total and equal rights for all people must be embraced regardless of sexual orientation." Soulforce leader White immediately responded that, "By canceling her concert, Judy Collins is saying, in essence, that like us, she loves the Episcopal Church too much to be complicit in its bigotry and discrimination. Many Episcopal churches still exclude us. Many bishops still discriminate against us. The debate has been going on long enough. Thank you, Judy, for your courage and commitment to justice, and for taking a stand for all of God's children!" The news came as Integrity was celebrating the Eucharist with a full house at Denver's St. John in the Wilderness Episcopal Cathedral, the group's biggest single event at the General Convention. One goal of the gathering was to display openly l/g/b/t Episcopal priests to put a face on the issue of ordination of non-celibate gays and lesbians, and clad in white vestments with rainbow stoles they gathered smiling on the steps for a photo op behind a banner reading "Welcome to the Episcopal Church." The theme of the Eucharist, as for Integrity's booth and other activities at the General Convention, was "A Full & Equal Claim ... A Full & Equal Ministry," reflecting the "claim" on the church guaranteed gays and lesbians by the 1976 General Convention and the ministry gay and lesbian Episcopalians exercise at all levels of the denomination. With the other gay and lesbian priests and concelebrants, the Eucharist was celebrated by Integrity's national president Reverend Michael Hopkins, Vicar of St. George's Mission in Glenn Dale, Maryland (in the Diocese of Washington, DC). Hopkins told the Episcopal News Service that while Integrity respects Collins' "right to make this decision" and appreciates "the message of the full inclusion of lesbian and gay persons that she intends to send the church," Integrity members believe the Episcopal Church "is on a journey to the full inclusion of gay and lesbian people, a journey we, as Episcopalians, are proud of -- despite the fact that it remains incomplete. We especially regret that this action affects the Presiding Bishop's Fund, one of the church's finest organizations, which helps countless thousands of people throughout the world, including gay and lesbian persons." Preaching the homily was Bishop Steven Charleston, Dean of the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who told the assembled worshippers, "Judy, look at all the faces in this room, look at the healing that is rising up in this cathedral." He admitted that the denomination "has a long way to go," but suggested Collins had "been talking to the wrong people" -- possibly an oblique reference to Soulforce. Charleston won the loudest of several standing ovations when he asserted, "Not a single victim in this cathedral today! Not a single victim in this cathedral today!" Yet he was not without some impatience of his own, asking, "When is it time for the church to stand up and say, 'Enough is enough'? The time is now!" Charleston said the real issue in the church's deliberations on sexuality issues "can be named in two words: It is power and it is fear. That fear must be expunged from our church once and for all, and that power must be shared." Integrity also announced the formation of Africa's first Integrity chapter in Kampala, Uganda. Ugandan President Daniel arap Moi some months ago called for a crackdown on gays that resulted in several arrests, creating a climate in which it is unsafe for Integrity to publicly announce contacts for the new chapter. Integrity asked "all members of the Anglican Communion to join in our call for the government of Uganda to radically change the hostile climate, particularly the threat of arrest to lesbian and gay persons." In 2001, Hopkins will be visiting the new chapter, which hopes to sponsor a pan-African conference of lesbian and gay Anglicans before 2008. That will be the year of the next decennial global Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops; at the 1998 session, African bishops expressed intense homophobia and led the overwhelming votes against equal treatment of gays and lesbians within the church. - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:16:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Luka << well i think luka bloom is a huge talent, with one of the sexiest voices in the world and a fascinating songwriter, but i didn't know that he was related to christy moore, or the sources of his pseudonym (or even that it was one). i love the tribute to vega, a great, undersung artist. i've heard, but don't own the joni-related song. >> His debut record, "Riverside", is definitely the best of the lot, although "The Acoustic Motorbike" has its charms too. "Turf", that contains the Joni related "To Begin To", never did stick with me very much. But I got it as a gift anyway... I hadn't even HEARD of Christy Moore, but it just so happened I was working alongside a guy from Cork, Ireland, and he heard me playing Luka Bloom and starting telling me about Moore and Luka, his younger brother. The next day he brought in some Christy CD's and I spun them. The two sound remarkably similar, although their taste in music varies. Moore is more political folksinger and Bloom is more pop-love songy in nature. And he does a very cool cover of LL Cool J's "I Need Love"! Bob NP: Joni, "California" from Isle of Wight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:19:51 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: top five This is late, but I'd like to chime in my top Joni albums, songs and the artists who rendered her music best. BEST JONI ALBUMS 1. Mingus 2. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 3. Blue 4. Shadows and Light 5. Ladies of the Canyon BEST JONI SONGS 1. Come In From The Cold 2. I Don't Know Where I Stand 3. A Case of You (BSN version) 4. Little Green 5. In France They Kiss on Main Street BEST JONI INTERPRETERS 1. Janis Siegel (River) 2. Brian Kennedy (A Case of You) 3. Dianne Reeves (Both Sides Now) 4. Minnie Riperton (Woman of Heart and Mind) 5. Cassandra Wilson (Black Crow) jOSEPH np: Everything But The Girl - "Baby the Stars Shine Bright" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:07:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: top five << BEST JONI INTERPRETERS >> Now that's a good idea, Joseph! Here's mine...in no certain order: Bonnie Raitt, "That Song About the Midway" Thomas Dolby, "Jungleline" Tuck & Patti, "Woodstock" Jason Falkner, "Both Sides Now" Clive Gregson/Christine Collister, "Same Situation" Dammit! I had to leave off about 10 that I love just as much, but I couldn't stand 2 shark attacks in 1 week! :-D Bob NP: Joni, "Grapevine", Universal Amphitheater, 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:28:07 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) What a strange story... Collins wrote, "On Wednesday, July 5th, I was shocked to learn that the Episcopal Church, of which I'm member and in which I was married, does not have an official national church policy allowing ministers to officiate at same-sex unions or ordain openly gay people..." This reminds me of the scene in "Casablanca" where Inspector Renault blows his whistle and announces that he is "Shocked, shocked to find out there is gambling in this establishment!" If the Episcopal Church had an "official national church policy allowing ministers to officiate at same-sex unions or ordain openly gay people," we all would have heard about it by now. It would be a huge step forward for gay men and women and an international news story. Judy's heart may be in the right place, but what the hell planet is she on? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jul 11 00:54:55 2000 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Top 5 Okay, here are my takes. (By the way, is anyone keeping track, so we can compile a summarized list of people's favorites?) 1. Hejira (Unquestionably) 2. Blue (This one started it all for me) 3. Miles of Aisles (I absolutely have to play this one, driving around in my car, on the first perfect day of spring) 4. DJRD (The title track alone makes this one a must) 5. Hissing of Summer Lawns (Just because) That was pretty simple, actually. Though thank God I'm married, and my wife gets five picks, too! (Hee, hee!) 1. Dog Eat Dog (Her absolute favorite) 2. Court and Spark (Trouble Child gets her every time) 3. For the Roses (Alright, I put her up to this one) 4. TI (Once again, that title track is a killer) 5. Night Ride Home (This one just seems to get better with age) Now, for the top 5 songs (Yikes, I'm gonna need a bigger family!) 1. Song for Sharon (I could talk for days about this one) 2. Hejira (At the top of her game lyrically - I practically hallucinate when I listen to this one) 3. DJRD (Great music, incredible imagery) 4. The Jungle Line (Kept me interested in HOSL long enough to fall in love with the rest of it. 5. For Free (Miles of Aisles version - I get goosebumps every time I hear this on) Okay, now it's Betty's turn 1. Tax Free (She loves the lyrics in this one) 2. BSN (Any version) 3. Strange Boy (Says it reminds her of me?!?) 4. Love (Off of Wild Things Run Fast - The first song we danced to at our wedding) 5. People's Parties (Laughing and crying, ya know it's the same release) Oh yeah! And our dog, Taffy's favorites: 1. Coyote (She likes her men a little on the wild side) 2. Dog Eat Dog (She's a little kinky) 3. The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay (She just loves all that howling) 4. Wild Things Run Fast (She always gets a little misty eyed on this one. Of course so do I - It's my least favorite) 5. The Dry Cleaner from DesMoines (She thinks it's about another pet that strikes it rich in Vegas - That cat's got luck, that cat's got luck. I can't bring myself to tell her the truth). Jack - Now playing, Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:55:08 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus the album Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >>What are our top 3 Mingus albums? >> >>MIngus ah um Blues and Roots >>Jazz at Massey Hall (Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Bud Powell, Mingus & >>Max Roach) Changes One Changes Two Mingus Ah Um - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:28:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Judy Collins Protests Episcopalians (NJC) > Judy's heart may be in the right place, but what the hell planet is she on? > > --Bob > if it weren't so tragic, i'd be laughing. and have you read the pope's message to the gay and lesbian community? so little time, so many geezers in funny little frocks whose ass to kick NUMB. wallyk, fuming in subzero buenos aires ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #382 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?