From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #376 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, July 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 376 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Music Unlimited [FredNow@aol.com] Joni's Gifts [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Dylan's "Blood On The Tracks", was 'songs for and about joni' ["Jim L'Hom] Re: songs for and about joni [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Music Unlimited [FredNow@aol.com] Hell-DED-Top 5 [catman ] Top 5 ["James L. Leonard" ] RE: Songs written about Joni [Martie Dunn ] Joni re Henley [B Merrill ] STEELY DAN TIDBIT [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Top 5 [catman ] Re: Joni's Gifts ["cassy" ] Re: Joni's Gifts [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Music Unlimited [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Gifts [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT [Matthew Snyder ] Catalogs and Birthdays [AsharaJM@aol.com] Prince digs HOSL query [B Merrill ] Joni Mitchell as artist [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Hell-DED-Top 5 [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Top 5 [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT [B Merrill ] Re: NJC Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT [dave fairall / beth miller ] Top 5 songs [catman ] Re: Not to Blame, Jackson and Joni... [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: Not to Blame, Jackson and Joni... ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC, James Browne and Bonnie Raitt ["James Phillips" ] a better life (njc) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Top 5 albums [RandyRemote ] Re: NJC, James Browne and Bonnie Raitt [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Joni Jackson [RandyRemote ] On the verge of divorce. [Richard Rice ] Re: Top 5 albums [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni JacksonNJC [catman ] Re: On the verge of divorce. [catman ] Re: On the verge of divorce Nash Editions [Patti Haskins And in the meantime, here are some other >covers I'm looking for if you hounds out there have time on your hands: >Album title where known is in parentheses... > >Fred Hersch - "My Old Man" >Larry Goldings Trio - "Woodstock" (Moonbird) >Traut/Rodby - "All I Want" Bob, the Hersch cover is currently available on "Let Yourself Go," and Goldings' album "Moonbird" is available, too. I know you're understandably trying to keep expenditures down for this project, and if push comes to shove you can probably find someone to copy the tracks for you but I strongly urge you to get these two wonderful albums for yourself, well worth owning. Also, don't forget the Keith Jarrett version of "All I Want" from his album "The Mourning of a Star," which is also currently available and also well worth owning. The Traut/Rodby cover of "All I Want" is not in print, however, so I will ask Ross and Steve if it's cool to copy the tune for the collection. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Joni's Gifts Hi Y'all! I'm really trying to regain my composure enough to write a couple of posts about the time in S'toon, but my emotions are still too extreme in running the entire spectrum. I had wanted to work this into one of my S'toon posts...but since I'm just not able to post without losing it yet, I need to let you guys in on at least this much before too much time passes. Before I went to S'toon, I bought both styles of JMDL shirts from Les to give to Joni. And I also had Bob send me a set of the album covers (4 disc set volume 2) to get to her too....they had the special artwork by John VanTiel. I was wishing to give them to her personally, and preferably presented by the whole S'toon group, but after all the emotions and abstractions of Friday's going on's -- I felt that poor woman had had enough with people trying to get to her, so I bagged any notion of making any kind of personal effort in getting them to her directly. Little side story about the one idea I tried to make work. The Bessborough Gardens was also a jazzfest venue. The river side of the hotel overlooked that venue stage, with the stage facing the hotel....we all had perfect seats right from our rooms! About 10 AM Saturday morning we (Rick and I) were awoken by the jazzfest stage crew doing checks as they set up their sound system for the day's programs that were to start at about 2 PM. Listening to them blare Celine Dion and Fleetwood Mac, a light bulb appeared above my head. There had been a couple of emails between Kevin, the head of Jazzfest, and myself, so I thought I'd give it a try to have them use volume 2, starting with disc three of the covers set for their sound checks and between act music. Took the set downstairs to the Jazzfest booth, but Kevin had just left to run some errands, so I told the ladies to relay to Kevin what a great way to honor their famous hometown guest and bring a surprised smile to Joni's face, with a little Joni tribute of her covers. But bummer...he said they couldn't do it...I guess for legal purposes. Man, that would have been just tooooo cool though!! After I got the "sorry" from Kevin, I wrote a short note to Joni, attached it to her denim shirt and gave the gifts to the lobby manager. The lobby manager personally handed them to Joni Sunday afternoon. BTW, the manager told me the next morning when we were checking out that then Joni proceeded to spend several hours Sunday afternoon just kicking back in the hotel lobby. But damn, since I skirted the lobby the best I could after Friday, I didn't even know that Joni was down there, seemingly making herself available to us rested and relaxed. Damn, damn, damn. ;-((((( Penny This was the note I attached to Joni's shirt: Hi Joni! Some little gifts for you from the people of the JMDL. (Joni Mitchell Discussion List) Our latest project (the first was your cookbook), is to try to collect and assemble in one place, as many of your songs covered by others and your contributions on others' discs, as we can find around the globe. These are four of the ten discs we have to date. These are not for sale!! The shirts are also JMDL -- Les Irvin's site not to be confused with the site of the late Wally Breese. We hope you find these shirts to be the perfect attire while you're painting your joy! ;-) Congrats on the opening of your exhibit last night! I'm looking forward to viewing it a couple of more times without the huge crowd and with my STARART text in tow. ;-) Best Wishes Penny Gibbons :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 04:00:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Dylan's "Blood On The Tracks", was 'songs for and about joni' Yah, it's a city ordinance in Erlanger, Kentucky. They don't exactly go out Looking for violators and if they Catch you it's just a ticket, but still........ Does anyone want a demo version of "Blood On the Tracks"? I paid the bootleggers but Blanks and Postage will put this cassette in your mail box. Bob said, > Even if you don't like Dylan, Blood On The Tracks has to be in > every collection, could be a law, I don't know...:~D All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati npimh: (Now playing in my head) This is from "Desire", my favorite Dylan album and the next one after Blood On the Tracks. "I'd like to SPEND some time in Mozambique. The sunny SKY is aqua blue. An' all the COUP-les dancing cheek-to-cheek. It's very NICE to spend a week or two. An' maybe FALL in love jus' me and you." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 04:43:38 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: songs for and about joni There's my composition "Song For Joni Mitchell" on the album "Musaic" by the Simon and Bard Group (Flying Fish, 1980) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 04:48:46 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Music Unlimited Two more I forgot to mention, if you don't already have them: Joshua Redman - I Had A King, from "Timeless Tales (For Changing Times)" - this is readily available Paul Horn - Blue (can't remember the album title, and it's probably out of print) - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:18:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Hell-DED-Top 5 Whilst I was picking up the dog doo from the garden, i was thinking about your DED post which led me to thinking about which 5 Joni albums would I choose if i could only have 5. My 5 would be: STAS THOSL DED NRH TI If you want to give your list, anybody, you must stick to 5 only otherwise it defeats the whole object! Anymore than 5 and you will capsize and get eaten by sharks! - -- http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/Tantra.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:45:32 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Top 5 Hey, Catman...I'll play. I'm a sucker for this kind of thing. :-) Miles Of Aisles Court And Spark The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Hejira Shadows & Light "Boston Jim" > which 5 Joni albums would I choose if i could only have 5. > My 5 would be: > STAS > THOSL > DED > NRH > TI > If you want to give your list, anybody, you must stick to 5 only > otherwise it defeats the whole object!> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:01:37 -0400 From: Martie Dunn Subject: RE: Songs written about Joni I didn't see it mentioned but wasn't David Crosby's "My Lady of the Isle" supposed to have been about Joni? Martie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:33:45 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Joni re Henley Kakki wrote: >Joni is not the only one who has a great distaste for Geffen. Judging from >the two biographies written about him in recent years, he seems to have made >many enemies over time and I recall reading that Henley is even more of a >nemesis to him than Joni. When Joni announced, on stage recently, that "Henley is on the warpath," what warpath was that? I'm not supposing it pertained to Geffen, but some other target of DH's ire. Bruce PS >What really got me after reading JB's rant and rage at Joni in the press was >that his reaction was SO vicious that it made me wonder for the first time >about his temper and showed me he wasn't all sweetness and light himself. It >was much more a nasty attack on her than a reasoned defense on his part. Good point. It's like screaming: "I'll strangle any women who accuses me of violence!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:00:34 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: STEELY DAN TIDBIT Very interesting......that's good to hear, because for me the weakest part of Two Against Nature are the Becker solos. Not much variety in his playing, choice of notes, phrasing etc....whereas historically one of the best parts of a SD record was the guitar solos, and the many "guest" guitarists taking a turn. The 90's tours featured two very accomplished players, Drew Zingg, and George Wadenius, so I was hoping Becker would defer to Jon Herrington "live". Becker doesn't have the chops to do justice blowing over the rather complex changes and chord voicings in many of their tunes, and Herrington sure does. How did Bob Sheppard, {tenor/ soprano sax} sound? His playing was marvelous on the BSN tour. Can't wait for next week, SD @ Meriweather Post, same venue where Joni appeared in May!! THX Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 14:42:57 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Top 5 > Hejira > > Hi boston jim-i had touble with hejira. if i could do a swap, i would replace STAS with hejira but the other 4 stay! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:37:18 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Joni's Gifts >>>And I also had Bob send me a set of the album covers (4 disc set volume 2)to get to her too....they had the special artwork by John VanTiel<<< I am thrilled that at least one of the cover disc sets has finally made it into Joni's hands. I think Bob deserves huge thanks for his dedication to this project and knowing that she has a copy herself, I believe, gives rise to new enthusiasm on the part of the hunter/gatherers of obscure Joni covers. I only regret that she doesn't have ALL the Volumes, they're fabulous. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:46:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Gifts << But bummer...he said they couldn't do it...I guess for legal purposes. Man, that would have been just tooooo cool though!! >> Penny, you are the JMDL trooper! Talk about 2nd and 3rd effort! That WOULD have been awesome to have them play those covers at the Jazzfest! So John, just imagine...YOUR wonderful version of Volume 2 with the custom box and gorgeous artwork is NOW in Joni's collection! Whoo-Hoo! Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Central Reservation" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:50:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Music Unlimited << Joshua Redman - I Had A King, from "Timeless Tales (For Changing Times)" - this is readily available>> This beautiful rendition will show up on V7... <> We caught this one early on, Joni plays the keys and sings a mournful kind of scat vocal. Like Randy Remote said, if you haven't heard it, it's a revelation! Bob NP: Van, "These Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:03:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT NJC << Very interesting......that's good to hear, because for me the weakest part of Two Against Nature are the Becker solos. >> I don't mind the Becker solos, but the boring almost disco-ish drums on most of the songs are the weak link in my book. Especially after sitting down and listening to a '93 show with Peter Erskine tearing them up. I remember the first time I heard the song "Aja", I was amazed at the percussion on the end of the song! The interplay between the Toms and the Hi-Hat, just amazing. That was Steve Gadd, I think...I don't feel like digging the album out and checking my facts so I'll risk being wrong. Anyway, I don't hear a lot of interesting percussion here. Probably not the drummer's fault, I'm sure they just did as instructed, and it's not to take anything away from "Two Against Nature" which is certainly one of the finest efforts of the year. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:07:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Gifts << I only regret that she doesn't have ALL the Volumes, they're fabulous. >> I just plan on giving them to her at Ashara's over Labor Day...;~) Thanks for the kind words, Cassy - the Dave Stewart/Barbara Gaskin version of 'Amelia' you so graciously contributed is certainly one of the highlights of the collection! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:10:17 -0400 From: Matthew Snyder Subject: NJC Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT At 09:00 AM 7/8/00 -0500, you wrote: > hear Becker conceded most of the solos to Jon Herington; on the record >Walter does just about all the solos.> > >Very interesting......that's good to hear, because for me the weakest >part of Two Against Nature are the Becker solos. Not much variety in his >playing, choice of notes, phrasing etc....whereas historically one of >the best parts of a SD record was the guitar solos, and the many "guest" >guitarists taking a turn. I completely disagree about Becker's playing. I find his playing today to be wonderfully bluesy and tasteful and the perfect foil for any axe-masters they may bring along on tour. (I know a couple of very good guitarists who agree with that assessment, by the way.) He's not a jazz guitarist, obviously, but he plays the changes and has a wonderful feel. He really sounded outstanding last night, as did Jon Herington, who I decided I favor over both Drew Zingg or George Wadenius. He's more melodic and tasteful than either of them. Solos were mostly split between Herington and Becker, with slightly more going to Herington. Somebody on the list was complaining about Becker's voice but I thought it was cool that he sang some of the older tunes; he's not all that much different from Fagen in his phrasing, but then again he co-wrote all those songs so it's not surprising he sounds similar to Donald when he sings them. Shep sounded great, he played all those solos that were originally Chris Potter's and made them his own. (Potter is on tour with Dave Holland right now, a better gig by most measures, though not nearly as lucrative.) My favorite player in that band, though, is Cornelius Bumpus. I wish I could get that kind of sound on tenor sax, he is just so soulful and made Deacon Blues one of the highpoints of the night. Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:38:12 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Catalogs and Birthdays Since I am still traveling, and it's not "real" easy to access the internet, just a reminder that I will take care of catalog requests *after* I get home on the 16th. Please, please don't send any money yet, as I don't know how much they will be after shipping, etc. It looks like I will be able to honor most requests so far, so please be patient til I get home and can figure it all out. Also, a collective HAPPY BIRTHDAY to everyone that has had birthdays in the past few weeks!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:48:20 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Prince digs HOSL query What is the name of the song wherein [AFKA] Prince refers to HOSL? He doesn't refer to it by name but since he had recently raved about HOSL (in Rolling Stone) we can infer that the song reference pertains to HOSL. I heard this once at a friend's house. What I remember about the album was that a) It has a photo of him with a wearing a cross b) it has a GREAT retro soul ballad on it, one that received a bit of radio play. Called "Slow Love"? Soul Love??.... Sloe Gin? And if anyone has the text of Prince raving about HOSL, and can zap it on, I'd love to read it again. - -- thanks, Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:51:40 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell as artist Portrait of a singer's inner soul Like her songs, Joni Mitchell's paintings depict the links between life and art. By Robert Enright Saskatoon -- In her liner notes for Mingus,the collaborative album with the great jazz composer, which she released in 1979, Joni Mitchell described her songs as "audio paintings." This commingling of sonic and visual pictures has always been at the centre of Mitchell's sensibility. And it helps to explain the range of the 87 works in various media that make up voices: The work of Joni Mitchell, her 30-year retrospective curated by director Gilles Hébert, which opened Friday at the Mendel Art Gallery in Saskatoon. Mitchell is among a handful of singer-songwriters -- the list includes Bob Dylan, Van Morrison and Leonard Cohen -- who have irretrievably, and for the better, altered pop music in this century. Her richly textured and layered lyrics are autobiographical fragments of a life lived, if not in the fast lane, at least in an intense one. "I want to get up and jive," she declares in All I Want from 1971's Blue."I want to wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive." The singer's visual art reflects the same relationship between life and art that characterizes her lyrics, although sometimes in a more transparent way. In her musical life, Mitchell has been obliged to pay at least cursory attention to the requirements of the music industry, but in her painting life she has followed only her own instincts. The result is a body of work that is less homogenous than honorific; Mitchell has painted who and what she likes with no concessions to either art fashion or market pressures. That said, she wears her tributary heart on her sleeve for critics to peck at. Picasso and Matisse are at the top of the list. Visual echoes of David Hockney and Larry Rivers also register in her work but they seem part of a larger, unsystematic eclecticism that leads her to paint in a wide number of styles. There are structured abstractions, traditional prairie landscapes, expressionist portraits, Pre-Raphaelite evocations, craggy realism and even witty spoofs of Canadian wilderness painting. Clearly, Mitchell likes to sit on the questioning edge: Her self-portrait as van Gogh, sans ear, for example, is a darkly wry comment on her reception in the music business. But in spite of all the visual quotation, Mitchell remains curiously distant from the art world -- distant and solitary. What does emerge with the clarity of a meadowlark's song is the lasting effect the prairies have played in shaping her art. Mitchell's early landscapes, such as The Road to Uncle Lyle's, No. 1, were attempts to frame the vast prairie space by structuring the landscape as a series of interlocking forms -- a highway sign, a section of field, a piece of land viewed through a rear-view mirror. She was a kind of tectonic surveyor, or a landscape gambler shuffling the components of prairie space as if they belonged to a deck of cards. To the extent that Mitchell's hand hadn't caught up to her mind, they were better ideas than paintings. Recently, she has depicted the landscape in more conventional ways: In 40 Below 0,1995, the wintry sky has a look of impenetrable, almost nuclear cold; The Road to Waskesui, 1995, is a deftly realized minimal landscape showing Mitchell at her most subtle. The images that most effectively embody her sense of comfort with the prairie were actually the product of a happy accident. A series of 20 photographs began as unintended double exposures that were subsequently manipulated into startling bodyscapes, in which the artist's flatland presence is captured in a kind of eerie transcendence, her eyes peering out along the horizon from a collapsed outbuilding, or her facial features a spooky blur of grassland -- The Blair Witch Project meets Little House on the Prairie. While Mitchell's most recent work is doggedly figurative and representational, she has made abstract paintings before that remain her most compelling. These often sumptuous works include The Ice Offering, 1976; Round About Midnight, 1991; and Black Orpheus, No. 2, 1985 -- all fine paintings, even as they make evident the painters who inspired them. The Ice Offering looks like Hans Hofmann, but the middle section, where the pigment vibrates and fattens up, is Mitchell's own. Round About Midnight is a dark tribute to Monet. Black Orpheus uses every technique available to a contemporary painter - -- its layered surface is scraped, dripped and otherwise made beautiful through a rich agitation. The Stranger, 1991, is the best painting in the exhibition. It looks to be an abstract variation on a Vuillard interior that opens onto a garden of riotous colour. The abstractions and the self-portraits, in which Mitchell strikes various poses, are the high points of the show -- evidence that the hands Mitchell deals best, in fact, regard herself and the process that transforms the abstract contents of her mind into the elegant layers of her painted imagination. It's impossible not to view this show through the kaleidoscopic prism of Mitchell's music and lyrics, and the Mendel wouldn't be looking at her work were she a painter who came in off the street. But unlike other celebrities who have picked up an art form (Bryan Adams, the photographer, comes immediately to mind), Mitchell has been working at painting for more than four decades; she also studied at the Alberta College of Art. Still, despite that early training and her persistent avocation, Mitchell emerges as a worldly version of a naive artist, indifferent to art trends and the positioning that has so much to do with contemporary art. At the press conference in advance of the opening, she admitted that Le Douanier Rousseau was her favourite painter in her formative years. Like him, she addresses the world she lives in, and the places and figures who share it with her, and then depicts them in a sort of painted romance. She also said that "you have to decide if you want to be a star or if you want to be an artist." In voices, her status as a star will initially attract people to the Mendel. But her genuine aspiration to be an artist is what will keep them there long after the novelty wears off of a pop icon who paints. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:10:58 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Hell-DED-Top 5 oh i love this game!! 1: for the roses 2: night ride home 3: hejira 4: don juan's reckless daughter 5: blue the order of 2-5 is subject to change, but for the roses will always be on top!) peace, ric (who is feeling guilty over the absence of court and spark...but a rule is a rule!!!) p.s. how about an even TOUGHER choice...our FIVE (only 5) favorite joni songs!!! yikes... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:10:31 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 5 My top 5: Both Sides Now Taming The Tiger Turbulent Indigo Miles Of Aisles Shadows And Light - Scott (feeling guilty for leaving out Blue) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:42:15 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT At 09:00 AM 07/08/2000 -0500, dave fairall / beth miller wrote: > hear Becker conceded most of the solos to Jon Herington; on the record >Walter does just about all the solos.> > >Very interesting......that's good to hear, because for me the weakest >part of Two Against Nature are the Becker solos. When I saw SD on the recent PBS special, Becker was certainly the dominant guitar soloist. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:47:50 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: NJC Re: STEELY DAN TIDBIT Hey Matt. Well, to each his own.....Becker certainly has a certain distinctive "bluesy style", but I find it very derivative, and somewhat devoid of imagination, especially on Two Against Nature. He plays the same lick repeatedly on different cuts in fact, and I've had conversations with very capable guitarists who feel the same, different strokes I guess. Agree however that he provides a nice contrast to the more jazz infused styles of the second guitarist in the live forum. Obviously he's not a jazz player, never has been, but I prefer more dexterity stylistically. I also agree that Jon Herrington is more melodic then Zingg especially, who impressed me with his technique, but is in the "play everything you know every solo" school. I've worked a lot w/ Dennis Chambers who played w/ SD on their second tour, and met George Wadenius backstage that year. Nice guy, and he knocked me out with a very introspective turn on "Third World Man", an emotional player. Do they do that tune this time around? I also agree with Bob that the drumming on this project is rather one-dimensional, but it's not for lack of chops. Don't know some of the names occupying the drum chair on the album, but Ricky Lawson and Sonny Emory both has awesome resumes, probably want Fagen/Becker wanted. As for Bumpus, I'm not a big fan of his tone, would love to see Sheppard and Potter together again. He's soulful, but in my book not in the same league as Shep/Pott. Surprised that he takes the ride on Deacon Blues, a challenging tune harmonically, looking forward to checking that out next week. I also understand that the Dave Holland band is very happening, something Chris P. couldn't turn down, regardless of $$$. Thanks for sharing your comments, liked your website. I too am a saxophonist, gig around the Baltimore / Washington area with a number of groups, and lean toward the Brecker / Bob Berg style as my preference, studied w/ Bob for a bit in fact. There's a great Klezmer band here in Balt.," Charm City Klezmer", http://www.CharmCityKlezmer.com/, with a killer clarinetist you might enjoy. Sorry to digress..... Dave Fairall Matthew Snyder wrote: > At 09:00 AM 7/8/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >hear Becker conceded most of the solos to Jon Herington; on the record > >Walter does just about all the solos.> > > > >Very interesting......that's good to hear, because for me the weakest > >part of Two Against Nature are the Becker solos. Not much variety in his > >playing, choice of notes, phrasing etc....whereas historically one of > >the best parts of a SD record was the guitar solos, and the many "guest" > >guitarists taking a turn. > > I completely disagree about Becker's playing. I find his playing today to > be wonderfully bluesy and tasteful and the perfect foil for any axe-masters > they may bring along on tour. (I know a couple of very good guitarists who > agree with that assessment, by the way.) He's not a jazz guitarist, > obviously, but he plays the changes and has a wonderful feel. He really > sounded outstanding last night, as did Jon Herington, who I decided I favor > over both Drew Zingg or George Wadenius. He's more melodic and tasteful > than either of them. Solos were mostly split between Herington and Becker, > with slightly more going to Herington. Somebody on the list was > complaining about Becker's voice but I thought it was cool that he sang > some of the older tunes; he's not all that much different from Fagen in > his phrasing, but then again he co-wrote all those songs so it's not > surprising he sounds similar to Donald when he sings them. > > Shep sounded great, he played all those solos that were originally Chris > Potter's and made them his own. (Potter is on tour with Dave Holland right > now, a better gig by most measures, though not nearly as lucrative.) My > favorite player in that band, though, is Cornelius Bumpus. I wish I could > get that kind of sound on tenor sax, he is just so soulful and made Deacon > Blues one of the highpoints of the night. > Matt Snyder > msnyder@dragonfire.net > http://msnyder.dragonfire.net > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:11:31 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Top 5 Songs In a message dated 7/8/00 11:17:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << p.s. how about an even TOUGHER choice...our FIVE (only 5) favorite joni songs!!! yikes... >> Yikes is right, but I'll go with the first things that come to mind: The Last Time I Saw Richard The Crazy Cries Of Love A Case Of You Both Sides Now (since the release of BSN) The Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:33:40 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Hell-DED-Top 5 Colin wrote: >which 5 Joni albums > would I choose if i could only have 5. > My 5 would be: > STAS > THOSL > DED > NRH > TI > If you want to give your list, anybody, you must stick to 5 only > otherwise it defeats the whole object! Anymore than 5 and you will > capsize and get eaten by sharks! In the states, that survivor show is hot stuff. This sounds like a take on that theme. Which 5 Joni's would you take on the island? Court & Spark Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo Hejira Miles of Isles Can I make a compilation tape of just my favorite songs?????????? Marilyn (hard to survive with only 5 LP's) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:41:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Top 5 songs > > > p.s. how about an even TOUGHER choice...our FIVE (only 5) favorite joni > songs!!! > yikes... just off the bat:Job's Sad Song Slouching Toward Bethlehem Marcie Song For Sharon The Three Great Stimulents - -- http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/Tantra.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:37:59 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Re: Not to Blame, Jackson and Joni... I totally agree that Jfk Jr's remarks were not typical nor gallant. But that iss the very reason that I believe them. As you have said, JFK Jr had to have seen the physical injuries that Daryl was treated for at the hospital. He had to have heard her and her friends version of the incident. He also knew and was intimate with Daryl for a long time. This interview was also on tv, and although tv interviews are edited as well as print ones., on tv the viewer can hear the inflections and see the facial responses. And while I fully agree that Jackson's responses to the Dallas Morning News were ungallant and explosive, I can understand his frustration and anger. AS someone else has said, his anger does not PROVE either side. If he is innocent, he would be angry both because of the persistence of the questins and what he sees as the betrayal of an old friendship and an attempt to "profit" from his bad press. By that I mean, that He sees the song as an attempt by Joni to settle an old grudge and to be simultaneously seen as the writer of an "enlightened" song on a serious soical issue. If he is guilty, he would be angry and lashing out. Not every man who is verbally upset is an abuser, not every abuse lashes out at people verbally in public, not every person who has a temper and lets it be seen also follows though witha physcial attack. Bottom line, we may never KNOW the truth, but judging someone's actions based totally on the tabloid press (which is what Jackson states Joni did) is not fair. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:56:06 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Not to Blame, Jackson and Joni... > And while I fully agree that Jackson's responses to the Dallas Morning News were > ungallant and explosive, I can understand his frustration and anger. > AS someone else has said, his anger does not PROVE either side. The thing that bothers me about his response is not that he was angry. As you said, Darice, he would certainly have a right to be angry if he is indeed innocent. What gets me is the content and nature of the response. To say that Joni is a sick & violent person and that she's been carrying a torch for him for 20 odd years to me sounds like the ravings of a psychotic. If he had just said something like 'I don't understand why Joni would write something like that, we were friends at one time, why is she attacking me?' or even if he had just said 'it's all lies' then I might believe he was innocent. But the insane, illogical nature of his response makes me smell a rat. I don't think we will ever know the real story. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:58:07 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Open letter from a first-poster Hi Zach, welcome to the list. Interesting post....glad to hear you are pursuing music and theater. As to why Joni has apparently given up the piano, I have never heard any reason for that. I too miss her piano playing. I have not heard that Jackson and B. Raitt are an item, in fact I'm doubtful of it, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Again, welcome to the list, RR Zachary Scot Johnson wrote: > Hi. This is really the first time I've posted. I don't > really have one topic, but I'll probably drift. First > of all, thanks to all involved in making this list > work. I always enjoy reading it. I've met many kind > new people, everyone (I think taking their cue from > Bob) is so kind! Joni's music brings people of the > world together. I think that it's she's a thread tying > us all together. I'm pretty young, I'll be 18 on > Tuesday. I've always been suprized at the diversity of > her fan following. People of every age love her and > adore her. With all the tributes lately and her > friends and fellow celebrities that publicly have > praised her, she really seems to speak to everyone. I > came across Joni via my parents. They had many of her > LP's and Ladies of the Canyon on CD. My mother > actually walked down the aisle to an instrumental > version of "Morning Morgantown" which I also play now > at weddings (I'm a hopeful singer-songwriter and > actor, who lists Joni as his main musical influence > along with just about everyone else in the world). > Speaking of that song, does anyone know the reason > she's shyed away from playing the piano? I loved the > early 70's solo piano stuff, with Blue and Ladies and > For the Roses. I don't know if Joni can ever possibly > understand what she's meant to all of us. And on a > side note, with this Jackson/ Joni stuff, now that > Jackson is connected to Bonnie Raitt romantically, who > is a huge fan of Joni's and a long-time friend, do you > think perhaps Jackson and Joni will reconcile their > differences? > > ~Zach > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:06:27 GMT From: "James Phillips" Subject: NJC, James Browne and Bonnie Raitt Dear all, I was reading a new poster's post that Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt are linked together now that Bonnie is either divorced or in the process of being divorced from Michael O'Keefe. My question is, is this just gossip, or is it a proven fact, and can you please email me personally about this. I'm a fan of Ms. Raitt's, and this is news to me about her and Jackson. Later, James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Danger, Will Robinson! Dog Eat Dog Content! Hell wrote: > I've got a confession, and one I'm glad to make. I > LOVE Dog Eat Dog! Helen, you're not alone (albeit part of a minority around here) ... I love DED, too! > tempted to yell "Yaaaahoooo" at the top of my lungs > every time "Shiny Toys" comes on. Shiny Toys is a great song, and I rate it as one of Joni's happiest, even as she pokes fun of those of us (including herself, no doubt) who are a bit obsessed with "toys." > I don't understand why people here don't rate this > album higher? The tunes and lyrics are good, the > synthesisers, etc. don't sound overdone to my > uneducated ears. Maybe I'm not a purist? You're as much a Joni purist as anyone. I think a lot of '80s music that gets a bad rap deserves better. > Maybe it's because many of the songs have an "upbeat" > kind of feel to them, and maybe that's the same > reason WTRF gets the same kind of criticism - it's > not Joni with her soul laid bare (and bleeding)? You're definitely on to something with the above statement! Goddess forbid that so many of us who've "identified" with Joni's songs of longing find ourselves dancing and -- dare I say? -- feeling HAPPY! when we hear WTRF or DED. How can we allow ourselves to enjoy her "modern" synthesized sounds as much as LOTC? What heresy! ; ) > I know I'm treading on really dangerous ground here, > but I don't care. I know what I like, and I'd > rather listen to Dog Eat Dog than Clouds any day of > the week. So there. I, too, know what I like. I like ALL of it! There isn't a single Joni album that I find less than riveting and enchanting. Although to be honest, I've listened to DED more than I've listened to Clouds, too. And now I'll tread on some dangerous ground as I take the liberty to digress a bit (some of this is old hat to some JMDL oldtimers, and I apologize for that): I cut my Joni teeth on Hejira in 1977, buying a cassette while I was attending radar school in Biloxi, MS (Winn-Dixie was big down there then). I worked back and forth from there, buying a bootleg of MOA in Regina, SK, then buying DJRD while living in Fortuna, ND, then discovering FTR in someone's stacks in Plentywood, MT. A boyfriend gave me a used C&S and I played it, paired with FTR, throughout my time in ND/MT. The same guy gave me a new vinyl HOSL as a going away gift and I recorded it and played it non-stop during my move from ND to Phoenix, AZ. Mingus vinyl was a birthday gift from another friend during the summer of '79 (as I turned 21 and had just become a fan of jazz). After that I bought STAS, Clouds, LOTC, and Blue, in no particular order, in used records stores in Phoenix as I found them. From then on, I bought each album as it came out, and I guess that's why I don't feel loyalty to any particular Joni "period" (although Hejira remains my personal favorite and is far and away the album I've played most). When DED was released, I was stationed in (West) Germany, terrified that Ronnie Ray-gun would push the nuke button any day. Then a like-minded "comrade" walked through my door with DED and slapped it on the turntable. Thereafter, what got me through my tour in cold war Europe (and the tears I shed after we bombed Libya) were these: Fiction The Three Great Stimulants Tax Free Dog Eat Dog It was comforting to know that my favorite artist felt the same as I did about the world's insanity. I still feel like I owe a lot to Joni for DED. > Like the lady herself says: "Whatever makes > you "Yahoo", whatever makes your time feel > satisfying" Joni hit the nail on the head with that lyric, perfectly describing what she's always done with her music: what has satisfied Joni at the time! I'm ever-thankful for her restless and innovative spirit, and that she does indeed do what she pleases. May we all do the same, always. And may we all always love ALL of Joni's work. Rock on, Lori in DC NP (while I'm at work in blissful aloneness): Dreamland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:13:18 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Songs written about Joni That was a Nash song from CSN's debut, and I think you are right, that it is about Joni. RR Martie Dunn wrote: > I didn't see it mentioned but wasn't David Crosby's "My Lady of the Isle" > supposed to have been about Joni? > Martie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:13:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: a better life (njc) Dear Friends, Life has a funny way of working itself out... the people here on this list are so sweet and kind and have made my life much more whole and bearable during the rough times in my life. I have met one very special person in particular on the list. We met through bidding against each other on eBay back in October. I had asked him to join our list shortly after and have had many amazing and wonderful conversations since. We have decided to follow our hearts and create a relationship between us. There is alot of spark and a mutual love of life and all things Joni among many other things...life is just amazingly wonderful! I am finally happy for I have truly met my soulmate!! Eric knows about all of this is and is very happy for both of us. Like I said before, Eric and I have been friends for many years so there is no hard feelings or resentments. We are both following our bliss!! Hugs, Catgirl and Walter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:15:49 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Top 5 albums 1. For the Roses 2. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 3. Blue 4. Court and Spark 5. Wild Things Run Fast ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:25:47 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, James Browne and Bonnie Raitt In a message dated 7/8/00 2:10:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jamespatrick7556@hotmail.com writes: << I was reading a new poster's post that Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt are linked together now that Bonnie is either divorced or in the process of being divorced from Michael O'Keefe. >> So, is Bonnie going with James Brown or Jackson? :) Now, this is how rumors get started! Let's hope that Bonnie isn't getting involved with either. Most likely, the cops will be at the door either way. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:31:33 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Joni Jackson Here is a link to a print ad for a '73 concert. It shows Joni and Jackson Browns pics side by side. Seemed appropriate to the recent threads. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=373733685 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:41:49 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: On the verge of divorce. Hi soda pops! I am trying to sneak another hello in without being seen. I have been of no use to the universe for a week now, and if my better half catches me here, my bags may be on the curb. (!) --I can't help it. I think I'm more Joni wired as the days go by. A few people have emailed me, regarding prices and I thought I should reply. As our fantastic (!) group leader over at JM.com has pointed out, the word at the Mendel is the art is NOT for sale. Check the site for interesting developments! I have it on good word from inside that Joni's art is for sale through her management. I doubt there are set prices on anything. I think they are just fielding requests to see what the market will bear. Place your bids! Last word was 'in the tens of thousands' on most things, with the TI cover in the 'stratosphere.' Please Jim, don't bite my leg for going public with this. I just wanted to mention this in case someone on the list is seriously interested in owning a piece of Joni art to think about budgeting for it. I doubt most of us could afford a painting, but the iris prints of her line drawings (which can be made in multiples) and the intaglio prints from the Hejira series, very beautiful Sepia tone images very similar to the album cover, can be had I would assume, given market prices, for no more than two thousand dollars. Not easy, but not impossible. Interesting note, Joni says the ice was really soft and hard to skate. And she and Bernstein had a difference of opinion regarding the shoot. She wanted images that were very bird like. Word was not passed along about what he was after in the shots. The documentary will be a major addition to our Joni cache of information and fabulous treats. She covers the subject in detail. And the iris prints --which include a drawing of Graham Nash-- were done by a business he owns in LA. Check your phone books there gang. A call or two could lead to even more Joni threads! Check under those couch cushions, gang! ---Uh, oh! I just got caught. :-) John. (laying low...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:53:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 5 albums 1. The Seventies Jazz Period (C&S, MOA, HOSL, Hejira, DJRD, Mingus, S&L) 2. The Early Folk-Rock Period (STAS, Clouds, LOTC, Blue) 3. The Rockin' Eighties (WTRF, DED, CMIARS) 4. The Return to Confessional Brilliance Nineties (NRH, TI, TTT) 5. The Muzak, oops I meant to say Orchestral Jazz Period (BSN) There! Picking 5 wasn't as tough as I thought! ;~) And if I broke the rules, I ain't afraid o' no sharks...:~D Bob NP: "Edith & The Kingpin", Forest Hills, NY '79 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:12:04 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni JacksonNJC I have no idea who Jackson is-never heard him or seen him but this pic suggests he is rather handsome. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:21:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: On the verge of divorce. I'd love a painting of her TI cover but I just don't think art is worth the ridiculous sums asked. To me it puts paid to the idea of art being noble and an expression of the soul. It seems to me to be a way of increasing one's bank balance. Turns the whole thing into something sordid. Reminds me of the appalling amount of money Australia paid for a Piccasso in the 70's(Blue Posts, I think) and mmore recently the disgustingly humungous price paid for a Van Gogh(Sunflowers?) by a Japanese bank(or govt?). Don't misunderstand me, if I could paint a painting and sell for 10 grand to someone with more money than heart and mind,I'd do it -lots! But I wouldn't get all precious about what my 'art' means and how it is ethereal, and comes from my soul and all that crap. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 14:24:30 -0500 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Re: On the verge of divorce Nash Editions Hi all, The business Graham Nash has is linked here: http://www.nasheditions.com/ The following link is to an article I posted recently from Digital Fine Arts magazine which has Graham Nash on the cover and reports on his business, upcoming exhibits and one photo of Joni in the shower, clothed. You must have the Adobe PDF plugin to access the article, if anyone is unable and truly wants to see this, I can photocopy and mail hard copies or scan and email jpegs, bitmaps, whatever. I am digitally enabled. http://www.digitalfineart.com/Articles/summer2000/nashsumm.pdf Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #376 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?