From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #362 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, June 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 362 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Just like this train ? ["James Phillips" ] Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) ["Kakki" ] Not to Blame, too long and (SJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Fwd: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni Programs ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Your Pet Deadly Sins - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:16:06 EST From: "James Phillips" Subject: Just like this train ? Hey, I've got a ? for anyone that may know the answer. Who was Joni watching there hairline resede, my main darling, in Just like this train from Court and Spark? Thanks for any information, James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:20:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) Jimmy wrote: > Way to go Rick!!!! Thanks for the thorough update. We're all so glad you brought your laptop to keep >the JMDL informed. Saskatoon sounds like a magical place, and I can't wait for the next report. Tell >Joni how much we love her! I second that emotion! Thank you Rick - it sounds like the magic has already started and there is lots more in store. I'm so seriously tempted to jump on a plane there tonight! Arrr ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:40:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht Cover Bob wrote: > NP: Carla Hembrecht, "One For My Baby" (Yes, Kakki, this >is indeed a great one!) After hearing her album and jazz rendition of Song to a Seagull, I thought that maybe at some point we should vote on a top 10 or 20 of covers for the year. Some of the artists covering Joni are so outstanding, I think they should be specially recognized here. Carla interprets STAS exactly as I imagine Joni would re-do it in jazz style it with Shorter, Isham, Hancock, Klein and Blade. Listening to it, I had to keep reminding myself that they were not playing in the background - the Joni "sensibility" in this rendition is *that* strong. Amazing! Ever since Stephen tracked down this album he has been raving to me about it. I can't get enough of it - it just grows and grows on you. Without singling anyone out, I can immediately think of at least 30 jmdlers offhand who would LOVE Carla's album - you know who you are - you can't get enough of a beautiful female voice, you love all the old standards and you love intimate jazz ;-) I tried to learn more about her on the net and found her website is not currently accessible. But there were several other people with websites that listed her right next to Joni, Billie and Ella as the top! Also learned that she does a regular Friday and Saturday night gig at the Top of the Mark at the Mark Hopkins Hotel in San Francisco with her band "The Black Market Jazz Orchestra." I checked out her online reviews for the "One For My Baby" album and she received a raving, overall 5-star rating with one reviewer comparing her voice to a cross between Abby Lincoln and Betty Carter. This is really wonderful music and I hope some of you will check her out. I'm ready to go to San Fran to see her live! ;-) Kakki NP: Carla Helmbrecht - Love For Sale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:31:16 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Not to Blame, too long and (SJC) is that a valid designation up there listers? "sjc"? as in SOME joni content? i don't want to get those impatient reminders from anyone about the NJC. hey folks. my boss is in st. croix, ostensibly on business, (i get to go to the trailerpark capitals of america, he goes to st. croix. hmmmm) so what better time than to sit and think about joni's song from TI, "Not to Blame"? you know this one - the one about (whispering) jackson browne! and yes, i know, joni said it was just a composite and not meant to be "about" anyone in particular...which, in my heretical opinion, undoes the expression that "joni mitchell never lies..." this song is too about jackson browne, and if she is going to assassinate him, she ought to admit to it. i assume her denial is, somewhat understandably, based on a desire not to be sued for slander, or libel - whichever term would apply. but clearly, the song is about jackson browne, and what i find so stunning about it is how cruel it is. how supremely cruel. i cannot think of another song in all her body of work that is like it. this is joni mitchell! thinking of her as intentionally cruel is as difficult for me as it is to think of jackson browne as an abuser of women. forget the public face he displays and all the "chariable acts", which are many, and impressive. it is the lyrical content of his songs, and the sense of him that is dervived from that body of work - work that is often every bit as revealing and confessional as joni's - that makes it so hard to perceive him as a man plagued with those kind of impulses. i just can't see it. so joni's portrait of him doesn't add up. take a look at it with me. first of all, browne denies that he ever struck her. he says that had he been accused by hannah to the LA cops of beating her, they would not have left without arresting him. now we know that the LAPD are celebrity struck. but why would they be any less impressed with hannah's celebrity than browne's? secondly, hannah has never said, to my knowledge anyway, that browne hit her. the damning part, of course, is that she has not said he did NOT, but still, she has never said to anyone that browne struck her. the tabloids did. the tabloids, and join mitchell. "the beauty, with your fist marks on her face." pretty damning. did it provoke some moral outrage in joni that justified, in her heart and mind, that 3rd verse? the one that goes off the charts for cruelty? now as most everyone knows, browne's first wife committed suicide, leaving him with a young son to raise alone. a baby really. so consider what the impact these lines must have on browne, hearing them sung by someone he was once close to...thinking people hearing them now might believe them, or that his son, the one whose mother this is about, might hear them sung: "his mother had the frailty you despise, and the looks you love to drive to suicide." wow. anyone who has EVER lost someone they loved to suicide, knows that the guilt you feel as a survivor, justified or not, is enormous, even overwhelming, and sometimes, life changing. to have someone say that not only did you drive them to it, but you enjoyed it, pretty much takes one's breath away. it is nothing short of savage. does she have a mean streak a mile wide, this woman? even if every word of it was true, to say it now, decades later, publically and towards no end, makes me just shake my head in amazement...quite the same way i would if jackson browne were to write a song, 30 years later, about some hippie chick who cared more for her career than she did for the daughter she left by the side of the road? the tone of this song is off. it doesn't seem like joni to me. and it sure doesn't seem like jackson browne. interested in anyone else's thoughts. peace all, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:09:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: SMEBD@aol.com Full-name: SME BD Message-ID: <13.7568b75.268d7471@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:56:33 EDT Subject: Re: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? To: jonisaskatoon@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Hi Rick and all JMDL'ers in Saskatoon! My lover Rusty and I were to have joined you all in Saskatoon, but the fates have conspired against us. We went to the airport this afternoon and learned that our flight to Toronto was canceled. In fact all flights were eventually canceled and there is no way that we can get to Saskatoon before late Saturday night. So after 6 hours at the airport, and after calling every airline and trying our best to get some airline official to feel sorry for us (we even said that we were definitely having lunch with Joni), we are back at home and have no place to go. We even thought that since we were at the airport and had taken time off from work, we would try to go to LA (a city we love) and get in touch with Kakki, etc., but our luck was sinking lower and lower. At any rate, our thoughts are with each and every one of you--we know that you are going to have a great time. I hope that the lunch with Joni comes thru, but even if it doesn't, I know that you will have the time of your lives. I hope that Rusty and I someday get the pleasure of meeting all of you. Hi to Joni! All the best, Stephen and Rusty PS If anyone can sneak a painting under a coat, I would be eternally grateful :-) - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:51:01 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Programs Alison wrote: >A big thanks to you, Hell, for sending the programs from the BSN tour ( I >lost mine in a cab, i think...) all the way from NZ. I owe you one! Let me >know when you are ready to collect! Absolutely no problem at all! My pleasure in fact! >I am constantly amazed at the genuine kindness, community and love expressed >by the members of this list. I am so grateful for my ability to associate >with all of you. Boy, do I agree with this statement. I'm especially amazed by the generosity of one list member - who shall remain anonymous, but he knows who he is! I'm forever indebted. And to think I actually considered unsubbing! Where the hell was my head at! I LOVE it here! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:56:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Your Pet Deadly Sins - NJC Wally K wrote: >anger, gluttony and lust are my pet deadly sins. what are yours? Pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, covetousness, sloth, intolerance, road-rage....oh hang on, that's more than seven, isn't it. I don't think I'm a very virtuous person on the whole! But as far as the heavenly virtues go, I'm REALLY going to try and practice temperance and prudence this weekend. My liver will thank me, I'm sure! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:58:12 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Kakki wrote: >Ha! One of these days, Hell, we will either get you over here for an event >or Joni just must visit NZ. I was happy to read David's note that everyone >attending had been designated as a home page reporter. I know at least a >few of the gang attending will have laptops and digital cameras with them >and I can't wait for the news and especially for Evian's sure-to-be >hilarious account of it all! I'm working on it! It won't be this year (I don't think) but maybe next year might be an option? Actually I'd rather Joni DIDN'T visit NZ, if it means I miss out on a trip to meet everyone! Oh, what am I saying?! I didn't mean it, really! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #362 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?