From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #361 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 361 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nina (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [Jason Long ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Ann Wilson and Joni (njc) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Florida performance date(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: (NJC) Newbie on board! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pazfest...(NJC) [Steve Polifka ] 4th of July - What it means, what it cost. (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: 4th of July - What it means, what it cost. (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! ["Michael Paz" ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [Catherine McKay ] Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... ["Alison Einerson" ] Joni Programs ["Alison Einerson" ] Thank you!!! NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] STUFF!!! NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] welcome, Soul Drifter [mbirdny@earthlink.net] Re: welcome, Soul Drifter [Don Rowe ] Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? [Steve Dulson ] Re: Ann Wilson and Joni (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Your Pet Deadly Sins - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! ["Kakki" ] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: welcome, Soul Drifter [Buckingham Baby ] Joni's Jackson Brown song [kbythebay ] UK Jonifest CDs (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [kbythebay ] Lindsey Buckingham (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Joni + others going cheap in the UK [Jason Maloney ] GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] email address change [Phyliss Ward ] Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) [FMYFL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:04:54 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Nina (NJC) > I appreciate your outrage. Nina's remark about Billie is bizarre, but then > again, Nina is known to not be a stable woman. She is one of the greatest, > and most sensitive artists, ever. An amazing singer and a truly great > pianist, but she's also a very angry, bitter, and paranoid woman. Nina was > arrested a few years ago for shooting a gun at a couple of teenage boys for > making too much noise outside of her home in France. Her interviews are > always entertaining, sometimes disturbing, and usually contain outrageous > comments. > - Scott > I remember that interview too where she said that Michael Jackson was ruined by Quincy Jones . . . Is this just rumor, or did she throw a drink to Dusty Springfield's face because the latter was singing "black" songs. And I remember someone saying, "if that's true, then someone should throw a drink to Dionne warwick's face for singing "white songs"". Labels! Labels! Joseph (who thinks Dusty's version of "Am I The Same Girl" is still the best and Dionne Warwick's version of "No One in the World" eclipsed even that of Anita Baker's) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:39:57 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! Paige wrote: >> So you're new to Joni. so I'm assuming you don't >> have ALL of her records yet? >> >Nope, not even close. I have a couple on LP, a couple >on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a >whole bunch of new stuff to discover. >Any recommendations? First of all, welcome to the list, Paige. Just curious, is this the same Paige I know from the Aimee Mann and Liz Phair lists? I noticed in your first post that you mentioned them as other favorites. If so, it's good to cross paths with you again! In terms of Joni recommendations, I wholeheartedly recommend _For the Roses_ if you don't already own it. It was the Joni record that got me hooked initially and even after owning it for maybe seven or eight years now, I never tire of it and still hear new things with each listen. _Blue_ is also essential -- to me, it's to Joni what _Exile in Guyville_ is to Liz Phair. It carries a similar feel of immediacy and introspection, the arrangements are sparse and the lyrics carry the same weight of honesty and directness. _Hejira_ is also another favorite of mine -- in my opinion, "Amelia" is perhaps the best song Joni's written, and "Blue Motel Room" is one of my favorite vocal performances of hers. I do tend to prefer Joni's lower voice overall, so I'm also a big fan of more recent albums like _Night Ride Home_ and _Turbulent Indigo_, which are also more appealing to me musically/production-wise than some of her '80s work. No matter what, though, all of Joni's albums contain solid songwriting and playing and each have at least a few essential gems, so you really can't go wrong with any of them. The _Hits_ and _Misses_ collections don't represent Joni's catalogue as well as they could, in my opinion, but they may also be worth picking up as an overview and a way of sampling the various periods of Joni's career. Cheers, Jase NP: The Replacements, _Tim_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 07:49:01 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! <> Boy, Jason hit the nail on the head with his post. That's the good news - you can't go wrong with ANY of them. All I ask is that you post your impressions after you pick them up. As far as my personal faves, I think the Hissing - Hejira - Don Juan combo is the best threepeat in recording history! Bob <> Great NP, Jase! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:55:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Mary wrote (about the invitation issued by David to Joni): >David then included information about how to contact him. > >SO--the invitation is extended. And we shall see! I'm in two minds about this. On one hand, I'd love for as many jimdlers as possible to meet Joni, and on the other hand, I'm jealous as hell that I can't be there, almost to the point of "well, if I can't go, then no one should be allowed to"! Seriously though, I hope this comes together - what a day you'll have if she accepts! And what a great idea! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:01:28 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! Paige wrote: >I'll just talk Lindsey (and Mac) any time of the day >or night! Welcome to the list - I'm sure you'll love it here. And it doesn't matter when you started listening, or how much Joni you have, just the fact that you're here is enough! Yay! Another FM fan! Although I tend to be more of a Stevie fan (just) than Lindsay, but I still love his work. And don't get Nicki and Evian started on Stevie vs. Lindsay - I can see the wars starting already ;o) >> So you're new to Joni. so I'm assuming you don't >> have ALL of her records yet? >> >Nope, not even close. I have a couple on LP, a couple >on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a >whole bunch of new stuff to discover. >Any recommendations? I'd recommend Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light. Both are extraordinarily good live albums, and give you a taste of lots of songs from several quite different albums. Other than that, take your pick. They're all good, so you can't really go wrong! Hell NP: Shona Laing - Hard and Fast _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:04:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Ann Wilson and Joni (njc) Patrick wrote: >i got chills when i saw this item. mark in seattle has taped the >lovemongers ep for me; it includes a killer version of zep's 'battle of >evermore', 'papa was a rolling stone' and of particular interest to me, a >cover of todd rundgren's 'love of the common man' (flawed, but such voices). I've never heard much of Heart, other than the big hits - they're not hugely well-known in NZ. But I have a copy of the first Bridge School Concert, where The Lovemongers played "Battle of Evermore" and was blown away. But I didn't realise they'd done anything else in this format. Are there any commercially available albums out there? I'd love to hear more. Mind you, I guess I should get some Heart albums too! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:22:08 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Florida performance date(NJC) Okay all you lurkers in Tampa(and nearby areas.) I'll be performing in Orlando on July 7, Friday at the Stardust Video and Cafe. The show will start around 9pm. It would be great to see some of you. I'll even pull some Joni songs out of a hat. Stardust Video and Cafe 1842 Winter Park Blvd Winter Park, Florida 407 623-3393 Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:54:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Newbie on board! Buckingham Baby wrote: > Hi there- > I'm newbie Paige. > I'm a newer Joni fan,(my great loves also include > Lindsey Buckingham, Fleetwood Mac, Aimee Mann, Liz > Phair and Jeff Buckley), Yeah! Another Jeff Buckle fan on board. I just got his Live In Chicago dvd at Virgin Records in NYC. It is incredible. Only wish I could have seen him live before he took that dip. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:55:36 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) bob and david exchanged on this album. i've been holding the post until i could get the cd to hear it. i've been listening to it now for a few days and have these thoughts.. Bob M. wrote: <> i would only want to add what she says just before this line about respecting heritage..and the words she says are not printed in the text.. i think bob is exactly right, but the short line above does not give the fullness of her tone.. "oh god we were standing with our children...we were naked and free and god walked within us and they came on their great ships and turned us to look at your better landscapes. "oh can't you hear us calling, my people, i speak to you...i burned, i swung, i toiled, for you and your children and you stand there, you stand there and look at me with that face and you burned out your life on crack and sorrowful stories...you feel so sorry for yourself...you're standing in front of any promising city, any promising city, (now she is kind of scream talking, not singing)...smoking crack....crack..that's how you,..that's how you repay your ancestors...all those dreams go up in your pipe, up in smoke, and well,(she screams )....we will be heard...can't you hear us a calling..." now, david wrote: << ... The music has a kind of easy majesty -- a swirling, desperate elegance that never sounds forced. I think the power and grace of the music are rooted in the rhythms, the simple but flexible flowing short phrases, of the words. The words themselves (deceptively simple and double-edged) are growing on me -- but I too am only now starting to get into them and finding connections between songs. I don't like that part of "Strange Messengers" though -- I find it less chilling than just arrogant. Who does she think she is? (You have to give her credit for audacity if nothing else, though.) Does she think all young black people are crack addicts? However, there is much else in that song that is chilling to me -- the line "History sends us such strange messengers," the guitar riff, and the rage in her voice as she sings, "We knew it was wrong, but we looked away" and "they turned their faces to the bitter landscape" (such a simple lyric but so rich with different layers of meaning). my only thought on this david was that the title of the song itself contains the reason why she feels comfortable singing those words.. i didn't perceive arrogance. i perceived a sense of old testament prophet in her...outrage...anger that runs deep..and she is just saying what she feels. i didn't get the sense that she was indicting a whole race, but rather putting her finger on specific problem in the big city,,any promising city.. now follow some of her lines.."history sends us such strange messengers, they come down through time, to embrace, to enrage,....messengers swinging from twisted rope... she's talking about lynchings and beatings and slave trades and things like that. i think she is speaking as a strange messanger. nonetheless, i will definately agree with you on your summary of the music. i can't say it any better than what you said above. i can add only one thing i noticed..she uses repeats, repeats..many times in her songs. she says the same phrase twice in a row, and that has a chilling affect. and david also commented: << To me so far the moment that encapsulates the album, and one of the most beautiful, is the climax of "Boy Cried Wolf": "Innocence had its day....oh, innocence had its day...." -- sorrow, anger, urgence, but no illusions and no sentimentality. She laments the loss of innocence but knows there's no going back. i thought this song was excellent. the guitar reminded me of neil young. and the verses as she sang them had this bounce that reminded specifically of the verses to neil young's keep on rockin' in the free world. not the chorus, mind you, but only the verses.. and then i thought, she was almost like a female neil...grundged out and cutting, singing of the woes of society and the city. then david finishes: << "Glitter in Their Eyes" is great too. But the title track is what I meant was one of the best things she's ever done (though the album itself is also) -- epic, slowly building, beautiful, haunting. It's not really fair to compare the album to _Horses_, which is such a masterpiece, but it's so exciting that she can make such ambitious, different, great albums 25 years apart. --David i think both david and bob picked a winner with this album and i wouldn't have picked up on it if they hadn't posted. it's dark and heavy at times,..it ain't joni's ..for the roses. but it's a good album. thanks guys. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 09:09:28 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) <> Hey, thanks for writing this, Pat. And A BIG thanks for going to all the trouble to post the text from "Strange Messengers"...I went to the CD to type the lyrics and noticed they weren't printed, so I sort of paraphrased and really missed the mark. To see the whole piece in print makes it even more moving! Your comparison to a "female Neil" was an accurate one, too, I thought. Both of these artists are still cranking out such excellent work! Even though it's NJC, I *DO* think it's important to share news of truly superior music here. I have picked up on SO much because of others' sharing, so I try and return the favor! Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Damnation's Cellar" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:21:17 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Pazfest...(NJC) Michael! You almost gave me a friggin' heart attack when I thought I read : PAZ FEST TO BE BROADCAST OVER THE INTERNET.... Don't ever do that again!!! (unless if course it's really happening...) Obviously too tired this morning to read, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:38:43 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: 4th of July - What it means, what it cost. (NJC) What happened to the 56 Men who Signed the Declaration of Independence? What happened to the 56 Men who Signed the Declaration of Independence? The 4th of July more than just a picnic day Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? By: John Alberts Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Freedom is never free! The Fourth of July has more to it than beer, picnics, and baseball games. ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 10:03:35 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 4th of July - What it means, what it cost. (NJC) <> The moral of the story: Don't sign anything until you read the fine print! :~D Bob NP: The Beach Boys, "Caroline No" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:34:02 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! Hello gang- I have been contacted by American Songwriter Magazine for information and fotos about JoniFest2000 New Orleans. I have NOT received too many fotos from attendees of the fest (only Kakki has sent stuff in so far). I am requesting that any attendees that have fotos of the performances at the Holwin' Wolf, please send them to me priority mail asap for consideration for publication in the magazine. Anyone who took digital fotos, you can send them to my michaelpaz@telocity.com address. Thank you very much and whoo-hooo. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! - --- Buckingham Baby wrote: > I have a couple on LP, a > couple > on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a > whole bunch of new stuff to discover. > Any recommendations? All I can say to that is what Joni said: >Well there's a wide wide world of noble causes >And lovely landscapes to discover You are in for a treat! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:28:20 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... Oh man!!!!! Got the mail today, and with it came a fantastic!!! package from the best of the best BOB M, containing several Joni performances on disc along with a cd of the TNT tribute. I couldn't be more grateful. You truly are a prince among men. It is so nice to have something new to listen to! I am quite jealous of all the newer list members who have discoveries of their own to make of Joni recordings. Oh, to be able to hear Hejira again for the first time... I am signed on for Labor Day at Ashara's, and I look forward to meeting all that I have not met. Including the most excellent MUSIC SLUT!!! take care, alison e in slc np: "help me", by kd lang in all her barefoot, baggy dressed glory..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:34:52 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Joni Programs A big thanks to you, Hell, for sending the programs from the BSN tour ( I lost mine in a cab, i think...) all the way from NZ. I owe you one! Let me know when you are ready to collect! I am constantly amazed at the genuine kindness, community and love expressed by the members of this list. I am so grateful for my ability to associate with all of you. take care, alison e in slc np: sweet honey in the rock, "circle game" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:29:19 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Thank you!!! NJC Dear Sweet Wonderful Friends! To everyone who thought of me on my birthday a big THANK YOU! It was one of my best ones ever! Hugs! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:30:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! (NJC) In a message dated 6/29/00 10:47:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << I have been contacted by American Songwriter Magazine for information and fotos about JoniFest2000 New Orleans. I have NOT received too many fotos from attendees of the fest (only Kakki has sent stuff in so far). >> Michael, I only have the pics that darling Kakki sent me, but if you want I can run into a smoky bar, borrow a guitar, and have someone snap a digital of me pretending to play :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:34:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: STUFF!!! NJC Hi There, I am finally getting around to my transfer of music. Anyone is who waiting for me to send them something PLEASE re remind me of what that is. I am leaving to go camping for the fourth and won't be back until the fourth. Packages will then be mailed out the following week...I PROMISE!!!! Catgirl NP- Sometimes I'm happy- Philly!! whoo-hooo!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:36 -0700 From: mbirdny@earthlink.net Subject: welcome, Soul Drifter It is infinitely exciting to me to imagine not yet having all the Joni albums ... each one a new and magical discovery. Don't miss out on: BLUE, HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS, HEJIRA, DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER, TURBULENT INDIGO Save for last: WILD THINGS RUN FAST, DOG EAT DOG, MILES OF AISLES, SHADOWS & LIGHT (I brace myself for contrarian opinions!) I think the most important thing is to take your time discovering them all, let each one grow on you and attach itself to its own month/season/moment in your life. Don't get too many at once. But get them all eventually, so you can weigh in on our ongoing debates: what's the best album? the album with most effective uses of the word "the"? song with most opaque lyrics? song least appropriate for a Kathie Lee Gifford cover version? song best suited for Indonesian boat excursions? All these answers and more will be yours ... welcome! Nickel Chief P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the world with that Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: welcome, Soul Drifter - --- mbirdny@earthlink.net wrote: > Save for last: > WILD THINGS RUN FAST, DOG EAT DOG, MILES OF AISLES, > SHADOWS & > LIGHT (I brace myself for contrarian opinions!) > While I agree with saving the concert albums for last, I'd be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to defend DED -- and also suggest saving MINGUS for very last. Sorry Mingus lovers ... just bein' careful here. > P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the > world with that > Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... > You are actually one of 49,999 -- I am another. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 12:56:21 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... <> Excuse me while I run away and wrestle with my great big ego...;~) Just so's you know, I wouldn't have ANYTHING if not for the generous folk who share it with me. The TNT you're enjoying was the labor of Steve Polifka, and it's a real gem to be sure! Glad you got the package, Alison - rock on! Bob (The slut formally known as prince) :~D NP: Allmans, "One Way Out", from Fillmore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:46:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? Came across this in a press release: Clay Tyson is a Toronto based singer, guitarist and songwriter who happens to be the son of the legendary folk duo Ian & Sylvia. While he has been influenced by the musical world of his parents, Clay's music is all his own: earthy, rootsy music that draws on country, rock, and folk influences. So, would this be "Spoony"? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ann Wilson and Joni (njc) - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > I've never heard much of Heart, other than the big > hits - they're not hugely > well-known in NZ. I like a lot of their stuff but for a while there, in the 80s, they were looking an awful lot like guys in drag - too much makeup - maybe KISS with fewer members! I wasn't sure if it was the same Wilson goils or not. But then, when Janet Jackson came along, I thought she was just Michael who went a *bit* *too* far with the plastic surgery - if that's even possible ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Patty Smith, Toronto Star - NJC There's a story about Patty Smith in today's Toronto Star - URL below. http://www.thestar.com/thestar/editorial/music/20000629ENT03_WO-COVER29.html ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:14:48 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: leona naess (njc) jan wrote: >Anybody like that new British singer, Leona Naess? I really like that >song, 'Charm Attack'. I bought Leona Naess' album, _Comatised_, on a lark after reading a couple of reviews of it and seeing it recommended once on the Liz Phair list. "Charm Attack" was the first song to really grab me and I like it a lot, but even after many plays, I've only warmed up to half the tracks. She's not a bad guitarist and for the most part, I like her voice. In terms of songwriting though, it seems like she holds some real promise, but is still trying to find her own voice. Ultimately, I find a few of the songs a little frustrating -- there will be a moment or two of brilliance, a clever hook or great couplet, then she'll follow it up with a lyric that feels flat. A couple of the other songs just suffer from arrangements that feel rather generic. There is enough good stuff on the record to make it worth picking up, though, but it's her next album that I'm looking forward to. All of the songs on the new one are copyrighted 1998 and were two years old at the time of the album's release; I'd like to see how she has developed since then. Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:47:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Your Pet Deadly Sins - NJC anger, gluttony and lust are my pet deadly sins. what are yours? wally k, back from winter wonderland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:12:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! Paz wrote: > Hello gang- I have been contacted by American Songwriter >Magazine for information and fotos about JoniFest2000 New >Orleans. WHOOHOOOO!! This is fantastic news!! I can't wait to see it! C'mon you crack photographers who were there - let's flood them! Kakki NP: Carla Helmbrecht - Song to a Seagull - much thanks to Stephen (my review will follow later - this one is truly unf***ingbelievable!!! Paz, we must get her to perform at next year's Howlin Wolf gathering ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:22:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Hell wrote: >On one hand, I'd love for as many jimdlers as >possible to meet Joni, and on the other hand, I'm jealous as >hell that I can't be there, almost to the point of "well, if I can't >go, then no one should be allowed to"! Ha! One of these days, Hell, we will either get you over here for an event or Joni just must visit NZ. I was happy to read David's note that everyone attending had been designated as a home page reporter. I know at least a few of the gang attending will have laptops and digital cameras with them and I can't wait for the news and especially for Evian's sure-to-be hilarious account of it all! To all the Saskatoonies - have the best time of your lives!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Buckingham Baby Subject: Re: welcome, Soul Drifter Thank you to EVERYONE who has welcomed me aboard, this is certainly a nice place to be from what I've seen/heard so far! Thanks for all the tips. I'm making a record store run next week and I've got 15 LPs/CDs to find! paige- Jase: My buddy, my pal! It's so good to see you again, without seeing you. :) Nickel Chief: NOPE! No way!!!! What a great, eternally underrated album. Makes me sad, except for when I find cool people like you! > P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the > world with that > Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... > > ===== "I keep the dream in my pocket never let it fade away..." Fleetwood Mac, "Tango in the Night" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: kbythebay Subject: Joni's Jackson Brown song Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? What has been her "history" with him that she would comment in song on the much publicised accusations of abuse, and go a step further to speculate about his culpablity in his spouses death and the attitudes toward women he reflected to his young son--according to her song? Thanks very much if you can comment on this to help me understand the background and perhaps what Joni was trying to accomplished by putting this song "out there." (I'm on digest mode, so please post to me directly, thanks!) K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:03:19 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK Jonifest CDs (NJC) Hi folk, Just to say thanks to everyone involved in the production of these CDs. They are a great reminder of that chilly but magical evening at the Troubadour in London and look very professional. No JMDL collection can be complete without a set! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:10:21 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song Hello K. I'm curious as to what 'other' list are you on? I'll take a partial stab at this rather sticky subject. First of all, Joni has never admitted publicly that this song was about Jackson. In fact, when asked out right in an interview, she denied it saying it was about abuse of women in general, and went on to describe inspiration she got from a doctor targeted advertisement in a magazine. That said, the reference, even down to the music, is pretty obvious IMHO. Perhaps she hoped that the reference to Jackson would draw more attention to the song, and thus to the subject of abuse. Jackson himself believes the song is about him and was quoted in an interview as such. His take was something like "Joni is bitter because she is still in love with me after all these years". This I find ridiculous. After all, Joni was happily married for 10 years and still remains close friends with her ex. She has a current man in her life too (for quite a few years). It seems to me that if Joni feels anything towards Jackson, it is certainly not love. I have heard that Joni is a personal friend of Daryl Hannah. If so, this could be why she was so close to the story. She also toured with Jackson in the 70's, and there is speculation that they had a romantic relationship back then. Bottom line, Joni always hopes that her audience will listen to a song, not to know specifically who and what it is about to HER, but for what THEY get out of it to apply to their own lives. I think it's best to take this song in that context as well. Phyliss kbythebay wrote: > Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another > list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the > need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? What has been her > "history" with him that she would comment in song on the much publicised > accusations of abuse, and go a step further to speculate about his > culpablity in his spouses death and the attitudes toward women he reflected > to his young son--according to her song? Thanks very much if you can comment > on this to help me understand the background and perhaps what Joni was > trying to accomplished by putting this song "out there." (I'm on digest > mode, so please post to me directly, thanks!) > K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:42:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? NJC << So, would this be "Spoony"? >> It'd have to be, unless they had other sons! (?) Bob NP: Carla Hembrecht, "One For My Baby" (Yes, Kakki, this is indeed a great one!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:56:19 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song I read somewhere that Browne called Joni a "bitter,violent" person.Does anyone the story behind that accusation? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:24:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song (NJC) In a message dated 6/29/00 7:16:37 PM, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << I read somewhere that Browne called Joni a "bitter,violent" person.Does anyone the story behind that accusation? >> He may have been talking about Eminem. Or Nina Simone. ;) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:12:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song In a message dated 06/29/2000 5:59:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbybay@earthlink.net writes: << Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? >> Hi K and welcome to the Joni list! Hopefully you'll stick around for more than just an answer to a question. There's a lot of people on this list with quite a variety of musical tastes, although we all have Joni in common. You should get a variety of answers to your Joni/Jackson Brown question and it's a good topic. If you want further info, you can always do a search at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm Just type in "Brown" and you'll be able to read quite a few articles that have to do with Joni and Jackson. Thanks Les for creating this feature. I often forget that it's right at our finger tips. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: kbythebay Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song At 08:12 PM 6/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Hi K and welcome to the Joni list! Hopefully you'll stick around for more >than just an answer to a question. There's a lot of people on this list with >quite a variety of musical tastes, although we all have Joni in common. >You should get a variety of answers to your Joni/Jackson Brown question and >it's a good topic. If you want further info, you can always do a search at > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm >Just type in "Brown" and you'll be able to read quite a few articles that >have to do with Joni and Jackson. Thanks Les for creating this feature. I >often forget that it's right at our finger tips. > >Jimmy Thanks for your gracious welcome and the reference to the search URL, Jimmy. K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~K By The Bay Steal a little and they throw you in jail, kbybay@earthlink.net Steal a lot and they make you king /| ~ Bob Dylan / |\ As longing becomes love, As night turns to day, /__|_\, Everything changes, Joy will find a way! ~~~\____/~~~~ ~ Bruce Cockburn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:50:10 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Lindsey Buckingham (NJC) Welcome to the list, Paige. Lindsey Buckingham *makes* Fleetwood Mac, IMHO. I could talk for hours about his talents. Tango in The Night is *not* about Little Lies and Everywhere.......it's Caroline, Big Love, and the title track. Plus, his stunning album artwork concept. I have Out Of The Cradle, of course, and could not wait to play it when it was released in 1992. It's a gorgeous, intricate piece of work. Very underrated, or at least it's not an album you really hear people mentioning. I wish another solo record from the maestro would arrive soon. This gap of 8 years (and counting) makes the 5 years between Tango and Cradle seem brief by comparison! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:42:38 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni + others going cheap in the UK For all the UK JMDL-ers out there, HMV are currently selling the entire Joni back-catalogue at 4.99-5.99 each, as well as BSN for 9.99. Even her Geffen/MCA albums are going for the same price. In fact, just about every Warner Bros. title appears to be included, or at least judging from what I saw todat in the Reading branch. Fleetwood Mac, Jackson Browne, Neil Young....anyone and everyone. Their sale titles aren't exclusively limited to Warner catalogue, and there are other great bargains to be found. If there are any *gaps* in your CD collections for these kind of artists, or if you haven't yet your replaced vinyl/cassette copies....THE TIME IS NOW!!!! :-) Jason, very pleased with his haul of Fleetwood Mac, Robert Plant, ZZ Top and er...Laura Branigan CDs for a fiver each ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:20:58 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NRH - 4th of July I am shortly leaving for heaven on earth (Comiskey Park if you didn't know) to see the White Sox and by the time I get back, it will too late to get much lead time on this, so... I am asking all musicians and everyone with musical equipment to play Night Ride Home on Tuesday, July 4 in memory of Wally Breese... "I love the man..." Thank you. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:12:18 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) Saskatoon cub reporter Coyote Rick here with an early report from the center of the universe for all Joni Mitchell (the painter) fans. Saskatoon is a lovely, gem of a city situated on the river. It carries the moniker of the "Bridge City," but this morning I also saw the word Hub City, which the shopowner told me is another name for Saskatoon. I like it here because you can walk everywhere! And I have... Okay, enough travelogue. On to the meat. It is a sunny day, warm and delightful. Mary and I met early afternoon at the Mendel to get the lay of the land. My fifteen minute walk from the hotel was interesting. There is a jazz festival also taking place with venues all over the city. Today's installment was in a park near a historic hotel sitting on the river's edge. I was in a hurry, so didn't get to stop and listen to the music, Mary was waiting. I waited for Mary in the foyer of the gallery. Although all except the gallery shop is closed until tomorrow evening, the gallery is ALL ABOUT JONI! When you walk in the door, in the foyer, as an appetizer, you see the oil that graced the cover of Wild Things Run Fast. It's huge - about ten foot in length, I would guess. It has a place of honor and definitely gets you in the mood for what's inside. Although the main gallery is tightly shuttered, I did get a peak inside as one of the workers held the door open and just stood there admiring the work. We have a real treat in store. It's beautifully displayed. I was happy to see Mary again. We last met at another joyous occasion, the Chicago BSN concert. We sat in the coffee shop of the gallery deciding which questions we would ask the gallery officials for the first post on the JMDL. Unannounced, we simply asked if we could speak to the communications director we had been communicating with via email. He was away for lunch, but his able assistant immediately came upstairs. Lovely and accommodating Natalie greeted us like old friends. "I am so happy you have made the trip. This is very exciting for us," were her first words. She then responded to our questions by telling us that tomorrow's festivities will begin with the Premier of Saskatchewan, Roy Romandow (sp?) will officially open the exhibit, followed by the mayor of Saskatoon, Henry Dayday. This will commence at 8:00 P.M. Joni and her parents will be there, of course, but it was still uncertain if Joni would speak. Earlier, at 3:00 P.M. will be a press conference, followed by a VIP reception at 6:00 P.M. The exhibit and gallery shop will open at 8:30P.M. A cool professional, she dodged my somewhat subtle hints for tickets to the reception. However, rumor has it that one website manager will be there. ;-) She then took us to see the area in which the reception will be held and explained traffic flow, etc. She said all will be accommodated since they are allowing 700 people at a time in the gallery. What a great person we met. Another note of interest. One long time employee of the gallery told me it has never been closed in his 25 years of employment! Our next stop was the gallery shop. BSN was playing on the sound system. A nice little shop with lots of the usual art books, cards, and gifts but also a fine collection of local pottery and art glass. The shopkeeper was delightful. They have (so far) a small table of Joni CDs (not all, CMIARS, WTRF, and -EGAD- DED were missing), the lyrics book is there, and the exhibit poster. The posters are the painting gracing the TI cover with Joni's signature across the top. Very nice. Memorabilia was printed in shockingly low production numbers. Only 4,000 posters were printed and 1,500 were used for exhibit promotions leaving only 2,500 for sale. The touted exhibit catalogues were not yet delivered! Again, there were only 4,000 printed. 1,000 were due today, with the remainder being delivered tomorrow. Just in time distribution I think it is called. They have the BSN front and back signed lithos, but they are very pricey - $450 Canadian signed and $300 Canadian unsigned! Mary and I marveled over the cover art of the Clouds CD which shows the Bessborough Hotel and the Saskatoon River. It's interesting to see them live while comparing them to the cover art. JM sure shows her roots. Although we strategically timed our visit to the Mendel to perhaps see Joni, no such luck. However, in a late breaking news item, it seems one of our traveling listmembers did have the honor at 3:15PM. I won't steal any thunder on that one. There have been a few other encounters. Last night, I had dinner with a guy I met through the Saskatoon discussion list. He is a musician with the Canadian military band (I know I screwed that up) and was playing throughout town all week. He met Joni in the elevator of her hotel yesterday afternoon. His band was playing in the park near her hotel and she commented that she liked their music, having heard it from her suite above. After he told her he knew about the gallery exhibit, she told him she was exhausted from helping set up the show, and just wanted to get back to rest. He said she was sweet and seemed otherwise happy. The shopkeeper at the Mendel said the same. That Joni seemed relaxed, although is self conscious about her art. She has been in and out of the gallery all week and loves walking along the river in her big, floppy hat. She also told the shopkeeper how much she was enjoying the concurrent jazz festival. Well, folks, there's more, but my fingers are tired and I am off to meet Mary for a walk around the Broadway district of town. We were turned on to this district by the ever helpful Natalie. Please forgive typos and poorly constructed sentences. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:16:37 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: email address change My email address has changed to pward@datacourse.com Please make a note of it.... ; - ) Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:40:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) In a message dated 06/29/2000 9:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AngelinoCoyote@aol.com writes: << Saskatoon cub reporter Coyote Rick here with an early report from the center of the universe for all Joni Mitchell (the painter) fans. >> Way to go Rick!!!! Thanks for the thorough update. We're all so glad you brought your laptop to keep the JMDL informed. Saskatoon sounds like a magical place, and I can't wait for the next report. Tell Joni how much we love her! Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #361 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?