From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Sunday, June 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 354 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rolling Stone Discusses Joni On Message Board, Repititious Content, NJC ["Kakki" ] NJC Patti Smith was Beat of Black Wings (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rolling Stone Discusses Joni On Message Board, Repititious Content, NJC ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Unheard Joni Albums [B Merrill ] Re: happy Joni songs ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Unheard Joni Albums ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Unheard Joni Albums ["Ada Wittenberger" ] happy songs [B Merrill ] Re: happy songs ["cassy" ] Re: Unheard Joni Albums ["Ada Wittenberger" ] ON SHORTER [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: happy songs ["Ada Wittenberger" ] 2 happy Joni songs! [Bounced Message ] Re: shocking lyrics (NJC!) [Bounced Message ] Re: happy songs-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Beat of Black Wings [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: ON SHORTER [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Unheard Joni Albums [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: happy Joni songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: happy songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: happy Joni songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] recording, Pro Logic advice needed - NJC [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: happy songs NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: happy songs NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Carly Joni and Judy NJC ["Kakki" ] Home again ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Carly Joni and Judy NJC ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Home again (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Home again (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Home again NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #353 [TIKIMOON007@aol.com] Another list of the greatest women in rock 'n roll ["Joni Fan" ] Fw: Anima Rising -- Don't Interupt the Sorrow ["Frederick Freeman" ] RE: Unheard Joni Albums ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Fw: Random questions for any interested lister [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's Opening [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Unheard Joni Albums ["James L. Leonard" ] RE: Unheard Joni Albums ["Nikki Johnson" ] Birthday Wishes (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:13:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Discusses Joni On Message Board, Repititious Content, NJC > well, i've been naughty and i've posted on the carly simon >message "bored". he he he .... > wally das Wally Das K, That wasn't naughty at all! That was a beautiful posting! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:54:49 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Carly Fans' Board I hope we're not bashing Carly. Her fans may be the Joni fans of the future. After all, one must crawl before learning to walk and run. :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: Metheny album suggested by you big lugs. I wuv you guys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:44:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Patti Smith was Beat of Black Wings (NJC) << Also on the title track of Patti Smith's latest, "Gung Ho" (which has to be one of the best things she's ever done). >> Boy, I'll sure second that, David! This record has easily passed up Shelby Lynne & Steely Dan and is currently butting heads with XTC for record of the year so far...and I imagine Patti could whip up on Andy and Colin if she wanted to! It's so raw, but in a controlled way, if that makes sense. It rocks so hard and unpretentiously. I would think it impossible not to be affected by this record. "Strange Messengers", with the image of an imported slave talking to a crack addict and saying "this is how you respect my heritage" is extremely chilling. I'm only now getting into the lyrics, simply because the record SOUNDS so fine I haven't been able to take it any farther than that yet. Patti writes and rocks from the heart, and this may be her best yet. Bob NP: Dave Van Ronk, "Song For Joni" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:54:59 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Discusses Joni On Message Board, Repititious Content, NJC The next time I looked, the most offensive and vilest of the posts by >"Carly Rocks" had been removed. Then I noticed that most of the vile posts >were originating by this poster. Yes, "carlyrocks" or "csrocks" is a tad crass. ha! If his degree of hate in him were transferred into the equal amount of love, . . . he would be Mother Theresa. Few could take him seriously. But from what I gather looking at his e-mail address (behind his username) on the Carly board, he is evidently a rollingstone staff member (unless an average person can sign up for a "rollingstone.com" address) From what I understand, there has been a huge tif between Joni and the Rollingstone Magazine for decades due to an insulting article they published about her dating (David Crosby, Graham Nash, James Taylor, Jackson Browne). Joni was rightfully upset by it. She was quoted around that time as saying something like "what, am I not allowed to date?" So I would suspect, that this "carlyrocks" character is influenced by this RS mentality. With that said, I'm especially pleased with the RS current coverage and their high ratings on Joni's music and BSN on the www.rollingstone.com web site. In the bio, they even speak about their trashing of HOSL when it was released at how they were wrong. "carlyrocks" is probably the guy that wrote that original nasty article about Joni . . . ha! Who knows! Tonight I wondered if there was something >brewing over on the Carly message board that had prompted this "Carly" has spent >more time on the Joni board than anywhere else at this point! What a great idea to check the Carly Simon board! I love your posting (which is currently 21). Outstanding! If people >want to carry on the campaign for Joni, they may want to post some positive >words on the Carly board while they are at it! ;-) > I will post on the Carly board soon! And finally . . . Why all this "Carly vs. Joni" and "Judy vs. Joni" bit (I'm referring to JMDL posts within the last month, BTW there is NO "Judy vs. Judi" tif)? Does this happen to male artists? Were there "Lennon vs. Jagger" spats? And "Townsend vs. Morrison" cat fights? Can't females do good work without having some cat fight element. oh sigh. Maybe it is just my perception. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:57:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI AND PAT NJC << How about re-uniting the Shadows and Light band, { Michael Brecker, Metheny, Lyle Mays}, with maybe Brian Blade on drums,{ Don Alias on percussion this time}, and LK subbing for Jaco. Wow!!! >> That would be a dream come true, for sure. Another bassist who I was impressed with was a guy named Morris Pert, at least I THINK that's right. Anyway, he was with Brand X, which was some OK fusion, not too great, but I thought the bass work was really nice. I think he played fretless. Whatever became of that guy? Bob NP: CSNY, "Woodstock" live in Detroit '69 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:00:27 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: RE: Rolling Stone Discusses Joni On Message Board, Repititious Content, NJC >kakki! >what masterly investigative job you've done! i'm going to the carly board >right away to see what's cooking! >kakki rocks! >wally der K Ah, Wally, that was your outstanding message (currently #21) on the Carly Simon RS board. At first I attributed that to Kakki. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:09:18 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: dogs eat catman and mind you joni - an angry man is not just an angry man, an angry bitch is worse than an angry woman, you're not just waking up, and my happiest joni song will be your last one. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:48:23 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums >OK, Bruce, that explains some stuff. You are such a good writer with such >insight, but it seemed like it was always "Hissings", "Hissings", >"Hissings"...I'm thinking to myself "is this the only Joni record this guy >owns?" > >Seems I was almost right! :-) Yes, I fully confess to being in a rut. The irony (?) is that were it not for Hissing, I would probably own her subsequent albums and listen to them contently-- instead of grumbling, "... but they're not total works..., and where are the horns??" Like, after you've kissed Cleopatra, whom do you kiss next? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:43:49 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: happy Joni songs Here are some I haven't seen mentioned yet, and there are others... You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio Barangrill In France They Kiss On Main Street Cotton Avenue The Dry Cleaner From Des Monies Solid Love Lucky Girl Good Friends I would disagree that Shiny Toys is a happy song. It's "bouncy," all right, but lyrically...whoa! :-) "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:54:45 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums Bruce, Given your jazz background, why not tell us what you think of Joni's collaboration with Mingus? Or, how 'bout the live 2-CD set, Shadows And Light, with Michael Brecker, Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorious, et. al...it's got material from Hissing :-), plus Hejira, DJRD, Mingus, and even updayed versions of "Free Man" and "Woodstock." Take your time...a couple of weeks, if necessary. :-) "Boston Jim" > The irony (?) is that were it not for Hissing, I would probably own her > subsequent albums and listen to them contently-- instead of grumbling, "... > but they're not total works..., and where are the horns??" > > Like, after you've kissed Cleopatra, whom do you kiss next? > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:58:53 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums Bob wrote: >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: merrillb@crisny.org, jll@tampabay.rr.com, Joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:15:04 EDT >But don't worry, bro, nobody's gonna hate you. I had never heard her debut >before I signed up here and picked it up. >Bob so Bob you had never heard her debut before you signed up here and picked it up? what was your reaction to her debut? did you find out what was her mistake on her debut - the mistake she'll never-ever fix? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:48:24 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: happy songs >This does remind me of something Lucinda Williams said in an interview w/ >Rolling Stone, and I think it could be applied to Joni as well, that nobody >writes happy songs, for God's sake. This is very true. Notably true. There are two really ecstatically happy Beatles' songs: Hold me Tight, & "I should have know better" (...with a girl like you). There was that super happy pop song of some years ago: Walking on Sunshine. Are we counting these on the fingers of one hand? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:32:11 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: happy songs From: B Merrill >>> There are two really ecstatically happy Beatles' songs: Hold me Tight, & "I should have know better" (...with a girl like you). There was that super happy pop song of some years ago: Walking on Sunshine. Are we counting these on the fingers of one hand?<<< And the ever-annoying "Don't worry be happy" Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:48:08 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums after you've kissed Cleopatra you go and get an h.i.v test >From: B Merrill >Reply-To: B Merrill >To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com, jll@tampabay.rr.com, Joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:48:23 -0400 > > >OK, Bruce, that explains some stuff. You are such a good writer with such > >insight, but it seemed like it was always "Hissings", "Hissings", > >"Hissings"...I'm thinking to myself "is this the only Joni record this >guy > >owns?" > > > >Seems I was almost right! :-) > >Yes, I fully confess to being in a rut. > >The irony (?) is that were it not for Hissing, I would probably own her >subsequent albums and listen to them contently-- instead of grumbling, "... >but they're not total works..., and where are the horns??" > >Like, after you've kissed Cleopatra, whom do you kiss next? > >Bruce > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:55:12 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: ON SHORTER Bruce M said.... I'm familiar with his entire body of work, and aware of his significant contribution as a "straight ahead" player, {also agree that the Miles Smiles era group was the most notable}, but am even more impressed with his explorations into other genres, ie. Weather Report, work with Milton Nascimento, {1974's Native Dancer}, etc. There really was no precedent stylistically for his approach to these forms, and to this day there are lots of imitators, but only one Wayne. The great thing about this list is the freedom to pursue threads relative to Joni collaborators, as they are numerous and substantial!! Thanks Bruce. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:06:20 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: happy songs >From: "cassy" >Reply-To: "cassy" >To: >Subject: Re: happy songs >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:32:11 -0400 > >From: B Merrill > > >>> There are two really ecstatically happy Beatles' songs: Hold me Tight, >& >"I >should have know better" (...with a girl like you). There was that super >happy pop song of some years ago: Walking on Sunshine. > >Are we counting these on the fingers of one hand?<<< > > >And the ever-annoying "Don't worry be happy" > >Cassy > >and once you understand that a case of you is a love song to a whiskey >bottle you don't worry about happiness which is the best face lift which >makes my best to you my face lift to you and you see on VH1 an ugly woman >that's causing nothing but wretchedness and wonders what love is you'll >know why madonna is cool. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:12:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: 2 happy Joni songs! Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: mariko sano My choices are Carrie and California. Most of her early music has a genuine life-affirming quality though, doesn't it? Maybe it had something to do with my age. I learned "The Circle Game" in music class when I was ten. I remember that experience making me very happy indeed. Ron (I'm not in my canoe yet). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:12:00 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: shocking lyrics (NJC!) From: "lpeakes" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:52:24 -0400 Has to be the guitar!! BAM! - I was just working out to that song yesterday - it's got great gut - I find I don't notice the lyrics anymore (the music's too good) - BUT - this is after learning what the lyrics are - and this from someone who has an uneasy feeling about Britney Spears singing "Hit Me, Baby, One More Time" - It's the guitar - and all the fills that Keith does - I feel so STRONG when I hear that song (and I wince - very bad for my workout posture - when the lyrics get through) - Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter R Rodgers III > Harper Lou, > not trying to pick a fight... but the subject brings to mind "Brown Sugar"... still can't believe no one says a word about all the airplay it gets, to this day... must be the guitar riff... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:12:54 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: happy songs-njc my favorite happiest song right now is ...u2...sweetest thing i just love that...oh ohoh...the sweetest thing..pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:37:50 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally Kairuz > i think it is "up on your wing, way up". > wally k, IN LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Thanks Catherine and Wally for the help with my hearing. Wally I'm with you but I don't think that word is "wing". NP kd lang - Invincible Summer Definitely the best record of the year so far. The Consequence Of Falling is one of those songs that the minute hear it you know you're going to love it for the rest of your life. The real follow up to Ingenue at last. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:48:43 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: ON SHORTER I like Shorter's music from Blue Note through to Weather Report. But he did some pretty madcap stuff towards the end of the 80's. I saw him in Dublin with a synth band in about '87 and it was heavy going. Phantom Navigator was pretty aimless music to my ears anyway. Philip NP kd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:49:44 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums - ----- Original Message ----- From: B Merrill > I was so bummed by > Hejira that I tossed it out the window after two listens Lots of laughs. I hope nobody was passing when you threw that record out the window. By the way on a great Radio 4 documentary a while ago called The Jaco Pastoious Story, Joni talked about how she discovered him before he became known with the Weather Report gig etc. Philip NP kd lang - Invincible Summer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:50:11 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings if joni didn't write the words she had a reason not to so any guess is fine with me and what happens to me when i hear that line is i find myself singing e pa de deu (wrong spelling i guess for the french dancing term "a 2-pace") >From: philipf@tinet.ie >Reply-To: philipf@tinet.ie >To: "Wally Kairuz" , "Catherine McKay" > >CC: >Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:37:50 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Wally Kairuz > > > i think it is "up on your wing, way up". > > wally k, IN LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Thanks Catherine and Wally for the help with my hearing. Wally >I'm with you but I don't think that word is "wing". > >NP kd lang - Invincible Summer >Definitely the best record of the year so far. The Consequence Of >Falling is one of those songs that the minute hear it you know >you're going to love it for the rest of your life. The real follow up to >Ingenue at last. > >Philip > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:17:26 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: happy Joni songs In a message dated 6/23/00 9:05:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jamespatrick7556@hotmail.com writes: << This does remind me of something Lucinda Williams said in an interview w/ Rolling Stone, and I think it could be applied to Joni as well, that nobody writes happy songs, for God's sake. James Phillips >> I guess you are not familiar with "Underneath the Streetlights" from "Wild Things Run Fast." There is no song in Joni's catalog with more unbridled joy and enthusiasm than that. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:27:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: happy songs In a message dated 6/24/00 10:39:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cassysweet@email.msn.com writes: << From: B Merrill >>> There are two really ecstatically happy Beatles' songs: Hold me Tight, & "I should have know better" (...with a girl like you). There was that super happy pop song of some years ago: Walking on Sunshine. Are we counting these on the fingers of one hand?<<< >> The Rascals' "A Girl Like You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:02:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: happy Joni songs << I guess you are not familiar with "Underneath the Streetlights" from "Wild Things Run Fast." There is no song in Joni's catalog with more unbridled joy and enthusiasm than that. >> That's probably my pick too, Paul...although I always thought the lyric "gay boys with their pants so tight, out in the neon light" was a trifle banal for her... Bob NP: Earth, Wind & Fire, "Boogie Wonderland" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:04:10 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: recording, Pro Logic advice needed - NJC If anyone here is familiar with the ProLogic recording system, I could use your advice. We have recorded all of the tracks for a song including the guitar track, all of which are pretty good. Unfortunately, the tempo is too slow. Is there something we can do to speed up the whole thing? If that means that the key changes for the higher, that would be a good thing. We haven't recorded the vocals yet. The sound engineer is still learning this system, so if anyone can be specific about how to do this, or can even tell us what page of the manual to turn to, it would be greatly appreciated. - - Clark NP: Steely Dan, Two Against Nature ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:06:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: happy songs NJC << Are we counting these on the fingers of one hand? >> Geez, happy songs? There's a jack & jillion of them, I'm sitting here listening to Earth Wind & Fire, they alone have enough happy songs to use up all my digits! Bruce, you've definitely been listening to HOSL too much! LOL! Bob NP: EWF, "Star" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:36:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: happy songs NJC Bob wrote: > Geez, happy songs? There's a jack & jillion of them, I'm >sitting here listening to Earth Wind & Fire, they alone have >enough happy songs to use up all my digits! Yes, some of my favorite music from the late 70s. Stevie Wonder has a whole bunch, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:49:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carly Joni and Judy NJC Loree asked: > Why all this "Carly vs. Joni" and "Judy vs. Joni" bit (I'm >referring to JMDL posts within the last month, BTW there is >NO "Judy vs. Judi" tif)? As far as I've seen most everyone on the list has high regard and a lot of love for each of them. I imagine most Carly fans love Joni, too. >Does this happen to male artists? Pat Metheny and Kenny G? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:28:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Home again We made it home to the land of reasonable weather last night around 8:45 and it sure is good to be home again. I'm not marking this NJC and we have to go pick up the 'kids' soon from Paradise Pet Lodge so I'll make this brief. I missed you all and it's good to be back. More to follow. What did I miss? Anything good? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:21:51 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: Carly Joni and Judy NJC Loree wrote: > > Why all this "Carly vs. Joni" and "Judy vs. Joni" bit (I'm >referring to >JMDL posts within the last month, BTW there is >NO "Judy vs. Judi" tif)? Kakki wrote: >As far as I've seen most everyone on the list has high regard and a lot of >love for each of them. I imagine most Carly fans love Joni, too. I mean the world as a whole, not JMDL. But there was that thread about 3 weeks ago on the silly quote out of the NY Post that ended with a beautifully written letter from Judy Collins on JMDL. Likewise, the incredulous thread on the Carly Simon RS board. > > >Does this happen to male artists? > >Pat Metheny and Kenny G? you a funny one. The Pat and Kenny spat . . . hmmmmmmm. Well, each have a lot to toot their horns about. ( i couldn't resist, sorry ) Of course, we know that Kenny has the Guinness world record of holding a note the longest .. . . now, who says that is not talent? Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:26:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Home again (NJC) In a message dated 6/24/00 2:35:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << We made it home to the land of reasonable weather last night around 8:45 and it sure is good to be home again. I missed you all and it's good to be back. Welcome Back Mark! We missed you too! Hope you and Mark had a GREAT vacation, and I look forward to hearing about the highlights of your travels. What did I miss? Anything good? >> You didn't miss a thing. The "Majordomo@smoe.org" sever was shut down right after you left and today was the first day we've been able to start posting again. Ok, I'm just kidding. Welcome home! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:35:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Home again (NJC) I wrote: << Hope you and Mark had a GREAT vacation, >> OOPS, I meant you and Travis :~) Sorry!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:37:01 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Home again NJC In a message dated 6/24/00 11:35:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << What did I miss? Anything good? >> More like we missed you! Welcome back Kotter! MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:43:05 EDT From: TIKIMOON007@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #353 I was just wondering if anyone has any info on where I may get a copy of Joni at the Fleet Pavillion. Thanks. Stacy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:50:34 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Another list of the greatest women in rock 'n roll Another list of the greatest women in rock 'n roll . . . Joni is fourth. http://www.rockonthenet.com/1999/vh1women.htm but then again Yoko is on this list, and Dolly Parton (when did Dolly put out a rock 'n roll CD?). Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:56:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Words NJC The Reverand said, "words have meanings and that each person must take responsibility for what they do" Yes, I too believe that words have great power to them. I know I was greatly influenced by the lyrical content (peace, love, etc.)of music that was prevelant during the late 60s & early 70s. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:20 -0000 From: "Frederick Freeman" Subject: Fw: Anima Rising -- Don't Interupt the Sorrow I had trouble getting some messages to the list because of format, so I thought I'd try to send them again - ----------------------------------------------------- After asking about the interpretation of Don't Interupt the Sorrow. I decide to research it and submitted the following to the glossary. I thought some of you might find it as fascinating as I did. Anima Rising Don't Interupt the Sorrow - ----------------------------------------------------- I've always been itruiged by this, so I researched it. I learned a lot First: The dictionary says an·i·ma [ánnm ] (plural an·i·mas) noun 1. inner self: in Jungian psychology, the true inner self as opposed to the outer persona 2. man's feminine side: in Jungian psychology, the feminine aspect of man's personality [Early 20th century. From Latin, "breath, soul, spirit" (source also of English animate and unanimous).] Interestingly, and I tend to think Joni was aware of this parralell, there is also a musical term: con ani·ma Pronunciation: kän-'a-n&-"mä, kOn-'ä-ni- Function: adverb Etymology: Italian, literally, with spirit Date: circa 1906 : in a spirited manner -- used as a direction in music So lets learn a bit about Jung's philosophy and how it might further illuminate Joni's use of Anima Rising in the song, shall we ? http://members.xoom.com/CarlJung/anima1x.html - Excerpts from Jungs idea of the Anima It may also be useful in understanding the Anima, to learn of the Animus http://members.xoom.com/CarlJung/animusx.html More on the persona: http://members.xoom.com/CarlJung/persona1x.html Archetypes: http://members.xoom.com/CarlJung/arche1x.html In light of my research, the most important corelation to the song seems to be Jungs Ideas of archetypes, which Joni dramatizes. Don't Interupt the Sorrow, seen through the lens of Jungian Psychology, seems to be her way of playing out these archetypes of Anima & Animus in song Wow! SIQUOMB isn't she? Frederick Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:25:20 -0000 From: "Frederick Freeman" Subject: Fw: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #213 I had trouble getting some messages to the list because of format, so I thought I'd try to send them again Mike wrote: > > I definitely have to agree with Lead Balloon. This is not her finest > > moment. But we can't be perfect all the time and someone may > > absolutely love this one. (who would that be)? > > Mike > > > > > I LOVE Lead Balloon, its such a "Kiss My Ass" song. There is just one thing > that bothers me about it. The " Le-Le-Le-Le-Lead Baloon, in the chorus". It > sounds corny, and taints an otherwise brilliant tune. IMHO > Frederick > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:27:17 -0000 From: "Frederick Freeman" Subject: Fw: Random questions for any interested lister - ----------------------------------------------------- I had trouble getting some messages to the list because of format, so I thought I'd try to send them again I was wondering if anyone had gotten the following for the "Covers" CD's : Tim Curry-Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Diane Reeves - River Casandra Wilson - Black Crow Betty Buckley - A Case of You Someone probably did, but I havent seen the track listings, so I thought I'd throw it out there. Question: does intergral use of a sample constitute a cover? If so, I suggest PM Dawn's "Forever Damaged(The 96th)" which is built upon a guitar sample from "Don't Interupt the Sorrow" ***Another Question: Has anyone transcribed some of Joni's piano songs for guitar. like "Same Situation" IF anyone even has the piano chords, I'd be willing to try transcribing some myself.*** And another: Can anyone explain the meaning of the lyrics of "Don't Interupt the Sorrow"? Lines like "Your notches liberation doll" have really stumped me. Frederick NP - Cars going by and the tapping of keys ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:42:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Anima --JUNG-therapy VJC i've always regarded the anima rising part in jungian terms. i don't think there is any other context in which the word anima is used or is there? i had only two experiences with therapists. the first one was an orthodox freudian. much though i love freud and his works, freudian therapy bored me stiff. my second therapist was a jungian analyst. boy, was that the experience of a lifetime! i was trained in the jungian lore, and i was helped to develop an archetypal construction of reality. bless helena, my jungian therapist. there's a stupendous novel by robertson davies called "the manticore" that revolves around the jungian analysis of the main character. it's a funny, profound and masterfully written. in fact, i recommend reading the trilogy of which the manticore is only the second novel. what the hell, READ EVERYTHING that robertson davies wrote: you won't regret it, coyotes. wally la K, who dates his anima in his dreams > Anima Rising Don't Interupt the Sorrow > ----------------------------------------------------- > I've always been itruiged by this, so I researched it. I learned a lot > Frederick Freeman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:58:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Anyone in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Nevada? and a Joni cover I just learned that "Over the Moon" was included on the playlist for Thursday Breakfast Jam, which airs from 6- 9 am on KRCL 90.9FM in Salt Lake City, 96.5FM in Park City, and KZMU 89.7FM in Moab If you are in the area, listen in next Thursday morning. Maybe if you call in requests (or email susanne365@aol.com) she will play some more cuts!!!! Getting some radio play is REALLY exciting for me. Thank you all for your wonderful support!!!! And here is the Joni content: included on the playlist was Kristen Vigard: Man From Mars - Grace of My Heart soundtrack (MCA) DJ Susanne said "the Kristen Vigard cover of a Joni-written tune sounds more like Joni Mitchell than Joni herself; this cover came out a couple of years before it showed up on a recent Joni Mitchell album, and for the longest time I could guarantee phone calls ("which Joni album is this from?") just by playing it. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:11:51 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #353 Regarding Canada. I live 99 miles from the border and at one time in my life lived 11 miles from it. There is a defining change the minute you go through the border patrol. For example, when I lived on the Quebec border there was a sense of style and sophistication in clothing (Mainers are,maybe, the worst dressed people in the US). Also there is a great amount of literature from Canada-think of all the good Canadian writers. Alice Munro. Margaret Atwood-to name a couple. I know that Canadians like to visit my town for shopping. They have bus trips etc. but whether they buy into the Walmart - Rite Aid culture of Maine, I have no idea. We have,on the other hand, many Mainers who take buses to Canada so they can buy affordable prescription drugs. So does any of this mean anything? Who knows? I think that everyone's place of orgin gives them a certain perspective-at least in a regional sense-maybe more. Joni Mitchell is no exception. Her roots are explored over and over again in her writing. In closing, I do like the feeling of Canada. The safety nets for poorer people, the lack of crime etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:14:13 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "People's Parties" Does anyone know the story behind "People's Parties"?I read a review of a 1974 Joni concert on the JMDL and in the review it said that Joni discussed the story behind that song.does anyone know the story?who's party was it?what happened to have Joni write the song ect?.. Of cource I'd love to know the story behind ALL Joni's songs! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:30:50 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #353 >In closing, I do like the feeling of Canada. The safety nets for poorer >people, the lack of crime etc. I just finished a splendid article that you might enjoy: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/951209bb.cfm I was in tears at points of it; laughter others. Loree "laughin and cryin, you know it's the same relief" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:47:09 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Unheard Joni Albums ok well I have quite a bit I haven't heard...I only have (gasp) 5 Joni CD's not including live shows. Actually Blue was hiding under my drawers unopened I thought I lost it...lol. So I listened to that for the 1st time today and I really like that album. I had heard quite a few of the songs on other things before so I knew 1/2 of them but I think there are great songs on that album...ACOY has always been one of my favorites. And Carrie. I think it is just great writing. I liked All I Want too I hadn't heard that before. I like the whole feel to the album. Some had me groovin over here. I'll have to sit and read the lyrics b/c I always loved Joni's songs more after I sat and read all the lyrics b/c I respect her so much as a poet. I think this is one of my favorite Joni albums as a whole. I know I have a lot more to go...lol...but I kinda started listening to Joni about 4 years ago and there were always so many albums I never knew which ones to get so I'd get one here and there. Seeing her again kinda resparked some memories and made me realize why I started listening to her in the 1st place and that I wanted to listen more! :-) Ok here are the ones I have... Blue Hits LOTC BSN NRH Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of James > L. Leonard > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:17 PM > To: Joni List > Subject: Unheard Joni Albums > > > Bruce just mentioned never having heard CMIARS. I'd find it fascinating to > know who else on the list has missed one or more, and which ones. > (It would > be kind of nice to be in the position of still having an album or two to > hear for the first time, wouldn't it?) > > Maybe it would provide for some interesting discussions, as > JMDLers step up > to lobby for their friends' exposure to this or that album. > > "Boston Jim" > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:31:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Random questions for any interested lister << I was wondering if anyone had gotten the following for the "Covers" CD's : Tim Curry-Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Diane Reeves - River Casandra Wilson - Black Crow Betty Buckley - A Case of You>> Thanks for checking, Frederick! I do have all four of these, + Tim's "All I Want" (pretty manic), Diane's "Both Sides Now", Cassandra's vocal of the same with Pat Martino on guitar, and Betty's "River" & "I Had A King", which she absolutely nails. Nine CD's worth so far, and no end in sight...and I am working on creating a website which Les can link to that'll detail all these JMDL "Covers & Contributions" bits & pieces. In the meantime, keep looking - there are plenty of little fishies yet to catch! :~) << Question: does intergral use of a sample constitute a cover? If so, I suggest PM Dawn's "Forever Damaged(The 96th)" which is built upon a guitar sample from "Don't Interupt the Sorrow">> I've thought about it, but haven't added it yet. I'm taking it before the CPOA (Covers Panel of Adjuticators) to get a decision. Even more recognizable is their sample of "I Had A King" in "The Ways of the Wind". <<***Another Question: Has anyone transcribed some of Joni's piano songs for guitar. like "Same Situation" IF anyone even has the piano chords, I'd be willing to try transcribing some myself.***>> I'm not going to be any help here as I don't play piano, just an occasional organ! :~) << And another: Can anyone explain the meaning of the lyrics of "Don't Interupt the Sorrow"? Lines like "Your notches liberation doll" have really stumped me. >> We have discussed that before, and may again. Some thought the guy was referring to the empty glasses and telling her that they were hers, not his...there are a couple schools of thought on it as well as the song in general...Bruce? Bob NP: You Sing The Hits (Karaoke): "Help Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:16:34 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni's Opening Hi all, Well, I've been pretty much out of the Joni loop again, but wanted to check in to say "HI" and to share some info with you. Maybe it's very old news now, but since I am about 20 digests behind, I'll never know. A new online aquaintance of mine lives and works in Saskatchewan. I asked if she were a Joni fan and whether she planned on going to the opening; this is what she wrote: > So, if I *do* get any photos, I"ll be sure to pass them on to you. Terry http://www.ADDconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:22:59 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums What a treat it would be to be in your shoes, Nikki. "Once upon a time..." he said wistfully. :-) Save your pennies. Don't miss For The Roses, Court And Spark, The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, or Hejira, no matter what. First, though, listen to Blue a whole bunch more times. :-) "Boston Jim" > ok well I have quite a bit I haven't heard...I only have (gasp) 5 Joni CD's > not including live shows. Actually Blue was hiding under my drawers > unopened. I thought I lost it...lol. So I listened to that for the 1st time today > and I really like that album. > Ok here are the ones I have... > Blue > Hits > LOTC > BSN > NRH > Take care > Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:39:42 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Unheard Joni Albums Oh silly me...I do have Hejira! How could I forget! I really love that song too. So make that 6 CD's! I just got that a few weeks ago and listened a few times. I thought it was really cool how she came up with that idea too...how there was no word for that in English. It is great hearing music you haven't heard before by a great songwriter. I think FTR will be next. Oh I definitely will be listening to Blue! And playing it, Carrie was easy to pick up I learned that tonight. Thanks for asking about unheard albums:-) Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of James > L. Leonard > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 3:23 AM > To: Nikki Johnson; Joni List > Subject: Re: Unheard Joni Albums > > > What a treat it would be to be in your shoes, Nikki. "Once upon a time..." > he said wistfully. :-) > > Save your pennies. Don't miss For The Roses, Court And Spark, The > Hissing Of > Summer Lawns, or Hejira, no matter what. First, though, listen to Blue a > whole bunch more times. :-) > > "Boston Jim" > > > ok well I have quite a bit I haven't heard...I only have (gasp) 5 Joni > CD's > > not including live shows. Actually Blue was hiding under my drawers > > unopened. I thought I lost it...lol. So I listened to that for the 1st > time today > > and I really like that album. > > Ok here are the ones I have... > > Blue > > Hits > > LOTC > > BSN > > NRH > > Take care > > Nikki > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:58:09 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Birthday Wishes (NJC) Just wanted to say a BIG Happy Birthday to Jerry Notaro!!! May all your wishes come true you wonderful man. lots of love, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:27:32 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Smith, "Gung Ho" (NJC) Bob M. wrote: <> I've been thinking about this album all day today. I agree with Bob that the music is terrific on it, and that's what grabbed me about the album right away. As soon as I finished listening to it the first time, I wanted to hear it again immediately. The music has a kind of easy majesty -- a swirling, desperate elegance that never sounds forced. I think the power and grace of the music are rooted in the rhythms, the simple but flexible flowing short phrases, of the words. The words themselves (deceptively simple and double-edged) are growing on me -- but I too am only now starting to get into them and finding connections between songs. I don't like that part of "Strange Messengers" though -- I find it less chilling than just arrogant. Who does she think she is? (You have to give her credit for audacity if nothing else, though.) Does she think all young black people are crack addicts? However, there is much else in that song that is chilling to me -- the line "History sends us such strange messengers," the guitar riff, and the rage in her voice as she sings, "We knew it was wrong, but we looked away" and "they turned their faces to the bitter landscape" (such a simple lyric but so rich with different layers of meaning). To me so far the moment that encapsulates the album, and one of the most beautiful, is the climax of "Boy Cried Wolf": "Innocence had its day....oh, innocence had its day...." -- sorrow, anger, urgence, but no illusions and no sentimentality. She laments the loss of innocence but knows there's no going back. "Glitter in Their Eyes" is great too. But the title track is what I meant was one of the best things she's ever done (though the album itself is also) -- epic, slowly building, beautiful, haunting. It's not really fair to compare the album to _Horses_, which is such a masterpiece, but it's so exciting that she can make such ambitious, different, great albums 25 years apart. - --David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #354 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?