From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #351 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, June 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 351 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Beat of Black Wings [Phyliss Ward ] Re: NJC - The Real Eminem/Kids these days [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Joni Cheese rev-eiuuuuu! ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC - The Real Eminem/Kids these days ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:05:29 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Beverly wrote: > I've always thought that Joni was singing "Charlie Angel," and that it was a > reference to all the American soldiers who were killed by "Charlie." That's been my take on it too Bev. It's always what I "heard" but after hearing Joni's story about the song, it really made sense. Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:08:03 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - The Real Eminem/Kids these days In a message dated 6/22/00 8:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << However, I think most of the music of the 60s that our parents may have objected to is like listening to Circle Game in comparison to this stuff. I lived and loved the 60s music but I never agreed with the glorification of drugs and other shit in a lot of *it*, either. >> Hey Kakki: That's exactly my point. I really don't think that most of the folks (of any age) listening to Eminem today are any more likely to use his lyrics as a guidepost than we were to use the artist's lyrics of days past. My Dad brought up an interesting point on the telephone tonight. My attraction to the Jefferson Airplane, Hendrix, Bowie, and other "rebel" musicians of my youth put me in a much different place, musically, than my parents for a while. It was MY music at an age that I was trying to establish MY personality. I liked that my folks didn't "get it." I was a good kid and my music was probably the most rebellious thing about me (and most of my friends). Maybe the shock value (that appears to be working) allows that gap to occur? Moreover, perhaps it's just that today's "rebel" musicians have to go further to be shocking. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:04:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Cheese rev-eiuuuuu! I've been waiting so impatiently for this one and I must say it lives up to it's pre-release press. Thank you Bob, it's brilliantly awful! Love the disc art, too - haha! First impressions: Adrienne Barbeau - I Had a King: You know she really tries, she really does. Proof that no matter if it's cheese, these people really do love Joni and you have to love them for that. Claudine Longet - Both Sides Now: Could easily be licensed to WB for the voice of Sylvester the Cat's French cousin singing to soul mate Elmer Fudd. "I'we wooked at woff fwom bowf sides now, fwom win and wose and still somehow, it's woff's ehwusions I wecall." Wow. Boomtang Boys - BSN: Hey I can dance to it! Kathie Lee Gifford - Circle Game: Starts out not too bad, loses a little energy toward the end. Poor Kathie Lee, captured on the carousel of time. Leonard Nimoy - BSN: Spock all the way and eerily frightening!! Nazareth - This Flight Tonight: Not bad enough to be good, just real bad. Cringe. Doris Day - BSN: Rare find - surreal. Hole - BSN: So bad it might be good. If I were hanging out in a grunge bar in Seattle on a rainy day, I might even think it's pretty great. Trish Colter/Paul Read - Carey: I really LIKE this one. Cyndi Lauper's jazz remake ten years from now. Mabel Mercer - BSN: Oh dear. Joni's fave and proof Joni really does have a good heart and sense of humor. This is grandma's version. Carteret High School Choir - BSN: Did we really sound like that in high school choir? Made me a little queasy from the sudden increase in blood sugar level. Jim Nabors - BSN: Ooooooffff! Elvis - You're So Square: No real cheese - just El The Tokens - BSN: Jimmy Webb meets the early Beach Boys meets the Partridge Family. Great example of the "genre". Anne Murray - BSN: Thinks she's trying too hard to be Judy and Joni at the same time. Billy Squier - River: Nice guitar, nice performance, WRONG song. Robert Goulet - BSN: Why has his singing always scared the hell out of me?? No change with this one! Thanks again to Bob and all the contributors for hunting down these rare finds. More cheese! Kakki NP: Goulet - BSN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:32:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC - The Real Eminem/Kids these days >I liked that my folks didn't "get it." I was a good kid and my >music was probably the most rebellious thing about me (and >most of my friends). And you're still a good kid, Rick! ;-) Maybe I don't get it because I never looked at my teenage music as a rebellion vehicle. I liked it for many various reasons - it had a new or unique sound or it was pretty, or it spoke to me personally along with "my generation" and so on. >Maybe the shock value (that appears to >be working) allows >that gap to occur? Moreover, perhaps it's >just that today's >"rebel" musicians have to go further to be shocking. Ooooh - I hate to think what lengths future "rebel" musicians might go to top this stuff! Maybe it will rebel back the other way to sugar poppy-boppy ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:31:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Possible Reason catman Is On Hiatus nuriel, catman is probably on hiatus because of accusations that I made. He made a joke that I took too seriously and I accused him of being a hate-monger. Unfortunately I used the word "facist" which is a synonym in the US. I quoted a US dictionary to back this up. It was a very poor word choice in an international forum and I regret picking that word. I accused him of being a hate-monger and I invited him to deny it. He laughed in my face. This made it worse for me because I took it as confirming my worse fear. Eventually he recanted his hateful joke. I recanted my "facist" charge. Catman is not an anti-semite. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Jimi Loves Joni Rick reports: <> Thanks Rick, your post jogged my memory of a Rolling Stone, Joni Q and A, I read years ago. I couldn't help but think WOW myself, then too! Here's Joni's version of the encounter from the JMDL articles. (Geez, that's a great site Les!!!)....Penny RS 12/15/94 What's the most random celebrity encounter you've ever had? I met Jimi Hendrix at the Capitol Theatre in Ottawa, and after his set, he came down, and he brought a big reel-to-reel tape recorder. He introduced himself very shyly and said, "Would you mind if I taped your show?" I said, "Not at all." And later that evening, we went back, we were staying at the same hotel. He and his drummer Mitch [Mitchell], the three of us were talking. It was so innocent. But management, all they saw was three hippies. We were outcasts anyway. A black hippie! Two men and a woman in the same room. So they kept telling us to play lower. It was a very creative, special night. We were playing like children. Describe Jimi in three words. I could tell you in a paragraph - I'm not good at snack-size bites. His main concern at that time was that he wanted to drop the phallic aspects of his showmanship. The big, flamboyant dick stuff was offensive to him, and he wanted to stop it. But every time he tried, he told me, the audience would boo. He wanted to take a different kind of band out, with a brass section. OK, three words? SENSITIVE. SHY. SWEET. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:45:12 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Eminem (NJC Well done, as usual, Michael!! You may have skewered me perfectly when you alluded to those who bemoan Eminem because doing so helps to marginalize rap. Whew! You're probably right. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #351 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?