From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #346 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 346 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: I've got a job!!! (NJC) ["Kakki" ] UK jonifest - Down In The Cellar ["ALCHEMYMULTIMEDIA.COM" ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC Re: Painting video ["Joni Fan" ] Re: metheny-njc Need Metheny Advice [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: joni and judy njc [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: NJC Looking for Garrett [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: for the roses (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the samesentence [Jerry Notaro ] Re: I've got a job!!! (NJC) [Heather ] Kathie Lee (NJC) ["kerry" ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat ["Joni Fan" ] Re: joni and judy - sjc ["P. Henry" ] NJC Easy way to scan Joni articles ["Joni Fan" ] Kids these days NJC ["kerry" ] Re: NJC Re: Painting video [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Was Kathie Lee, Now Nancy LaMott (NJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] A place to archive Joni photos and articles ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Little Boxes (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] RE: NJC Re: Painting video ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat [Bolvangar@aol.com] Crosby Stills Nash...and sometimes Young ***2 book-set*** NJC? [Bounced M] comparison with lesser talent is inevitable [Bounced Message ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat [Mark Domyancich ] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs [Catherine Mc] RE: joni bashing in downbeat [Don Rowe ] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs [Don Rowe ] Re: joni and judy [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:44:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I've got a job!!! (NJC) Jamie wrote: > I just thought I would post to the list ( now that I feel that I >know some of you) that I have a job! The ink hasn't quite >dried yet but it's in an episode of the long-running series >called 'Grange Hill' playing of all things, a Filipino! I know >there is at least 1 Filipino on the list (hi!). Congratulations!! I'm not familiar with that show (but only because I barely watch any TV). However, my parents almost exclusively watch the British TV shows that make their way over here to PBS. I would love to know if this series also plays in the U.S. so all us Americans can see you, too! I also look forward to hearing you, Marian and Chris on the U.K. Fest CDs. Thanks to Martin for making it available to us. Having a multi-ethnic/nationality "look" really seems to open up a lot of opporunities in the film biz. As someone who has been guessed every nationality/ethnic background under the sun other than my own all my life, I've often been tempted to do a little film extra work on the side. Only one person ever guessed me correct and she was from the former Dutch Indonesia! Go figure ;-) Great for you and please keep us posted on everything! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:14:33 +0100 From: "ALCHEMYMULTIMEDIA.COM" Subject: UK jonifest - Down In The Cellar Apologies folks, for not including my address in yesterday's post. It is... Martin Giles 75 Gauntlett Court Off Harrow Road Sudbury Middlesex HA0 2PH UK As for what ?5.50 is in dollars, I think that it's about $8.25US at the moment, but you'll only find out for sure when you go to change your money. atb, Martin. in London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:43:05 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Was Kathie Lee, Now Nancy LaMott (NJC) Thabks, Stephen for that story about Nancy LaMott. I read in a magazine a review of her posthumous CD and how that album would have catapulted Nancy to mainstream pop audience. There seems to be an interest in a singer's discography everytime that singer dies (Selena for example, as well as other artists whom one never heard before but got interested after the death. Guitarist Emily Remler did that to me). I was trying to look for any Nancy LaMott CD because of the glowing review of her albums and as I searched through the internet, and the more articles I read about her, I realized that she is one talent deserving wider recognition (I mean, Linda Eder is a better singer than Whitney Houston, but why are her records not in the BillBoard?) and that her discs are being deleted. I hope I get the chance to listen to her. One curmudgeon critic said that there are only two singers whove voices are out of this world -- Karen Carpenter and Nancy LaMott. Joseph np: Laurie Anderson "Home of the Brave" On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > As I am the guilty party, the one who contributed the KL cover of Circle > Game, I thought that I would share one nice story about Kathie Lee. There > was an up and coming singer in NY named Nancy LaMott. I had met Nancy on a > cruise. I was already a fan of hers and she was part of the entertainment. > As we were boarding the ship, I saw her and said hello. I later saw her at > the lunch buffet that day and my lover asked her to sing "Laura" (for his > birthday) and Nancy was delighted to find 2 fans on board. She asked to join > us for lunch and we spent the afternoon with her. We became friends and saw > her perform regularly in NY, went out to dinners and shows, etc. As Nancy's > career was really starting to take off (she performed for the Clinton's at a > State Dinner), Nancy was diagnosed with cancer. Kathie Lee had been a big > fan and promoter of Nancy (Nancy had appeared on Kathie Lee's show), and when > Nancy was too ill to be at home, Kathie Lee had Nancy move in to her home and > took care of her till the end. For this one act of kindness, I have to tip > my hat to Kathie Lee. (As a side note, President Clinton called Nancy near > the end and told her how much he had loved her singing and that he wanted her > back at the White House. Nancy was delighted. Nancy was also married on her > deathbed.) I know that this has strayed from the original topic, but I > thought that this might be of interest and shed a different light on KL.) > > Stephen (who is not a fan of KL's singing, but appreciates what she did for a > friend) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:20:19 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence I read in a recent magazine about KL's new CD and the reviewer prefaced his review with a condescending take of KL's non-musical celebrity-hood before plunging to the merits of the album. After describing her voice and dissing the inappropriateness of song choices, the reviewer mentioned that at least in one track, Joni Mitchell's Circle Game, KL paid a lot of respect to the song and was actually quite moving in her rendition. As I don't know much about KL (or for that matter Adrienne Barbeau), I feel compelled to buy her CD and listen to her tell the stories of each song. I admit that I am probably one of those odd people who usually goes for albums of artists heavily lambasted by critics and buyers and see (or hear) for myself what they wanted to say in the first place. Besides, when Bob posted the track listing of the KL's album, I saw interesting songs in the line up. Interesting for me, anyway. Most of the albums of some artists were heavily criticized when they came out during its time, and although I am not suggesting that KL's album will be a classic in the next decade or couple of decades (or more decades) and KL may not be Joni but I think she deserves to be heard just the same for purely musical reasons. (Apologies to those who don't want KL's name mentioned in the same sentence as Joni's). Just my two cents, Joseph "Don't worry about popular opinion." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > 1. Born For You/Circle Game > 2. It Goes Like it Goes/Sweet Dreams > 3. Help is on the Way > 4. Moondance (just for you, Kakki!) 6:29 Worth! > 5. Here's That Rainy Day > 6. Before the Parade Passes By/Don't Rain on My Parade > 7. First Time/Not Exactly Paris > 8. I Got Lost in His Arms > 9. Only My Pillow Knows > 10. Child in Me > 11. On My Way to You > 12. Sunrise Sunset/Try to Remember > 13. The Journey > 14. Born For You > 15. Ironman/Smoke On The Water (I made that up!) > k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:00:07 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: Crosby Stills Nash...and sometimes Young ***2 book-set*** We are proud to present you the homepage of a new CSN (and sometimes Y) project: two books which will be available in early 2001. http://utenti.tripod.it/FranzL/homepage.htm The first volume of this project "Crosby Stills Nash...and sometimes Young" (448 pages with - more or less - 200 b&w photos) will feature the early years and the story of the Hollies, the Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield as well as the CSN&Y story from 1968 until today. The second volume "Forty years of music and a trunk of memories" (240 pages full color, with 300 photos, rare picture sleeves, tickets, handbills, posters, etc.) will contain a detailed discography, videography, bibliography, a complete guest-appearance list (on other people's albums), a concert-chronology (tours, benefit-concerts, live guest-appearances, set-lists, line-ups), a "radio and TV appearance" database and a "cover-version" listing. The set is enriched by many first-hand anecdotes and memories contributed by musicians, producers, managers, photographers, CSN associates, fans and by members of "The Lee-Shore", a CSN internet mailing-list. The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: Mike Finnigan, Joe Vitale, Craig Doerge, Joe Lala, George "Chocolate" Perry, John Sebastian, Dallas Taylor, Richie Furay, Dewey Martin & Madeline Fowler, Bruce Palmer, Chris Hillman, Don Gooch, Ken Weiss, Rance Caldwell, John Gonzales, Paul Dieter, Henry Diltz, Jackson Browne, David Lindley, Mark "Slick" Aguilar, Donovan, Bobby Elliott, Tony Hicks, Chris Stills, Jeff Pevar, James Raymond, James Taylor, Russel Kunkel, Van Dyke Parks, Bobby Ingram, David and Jan Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash. The two volumes will feature work contributed by California-rock photographer extraordinaire Henry Diltz, top "Brit pop" photographer Harry Goodwin, as well as photos by Ian Astle, Roger Barone, Mike Curcuru, Tom Davis, David Tulsky, and many others. For further info, go to: http://utenti.tripod.it/FranzL/homepage.htm Thanks, Francesco Lucarelli, Stefano Frollano, Herman Verbeke, Lucien van Diggelen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:06:01 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Painting video Kakki wrote: >We had some mixed reactions here on the list, too. I recall that there was >some thought that maybe the product manufactured/distributed outside the >U.S. was somewhat inferior. I wouldn't know about the DVDs but have the >video and it seems fine to me. Well, that answers that. Thanks, Kakki. I will order the videotape. I think the DVDs had production problems where some were good and others didn't make the grade. If anyone out there has had a problem with a videotape (audio and video quality), then please let me know. Thanks, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:20:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman (NJC) Hell writes: << can we please do something about the subject title above? >> Dear Helen, this is just the song title that Percy Sledge originally came up with :~) Jimmy (forgive me, I'm still not awake yet) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:28:54 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: NJC Re: Painting video Kakki wrote: > >Whoops, I wrote: > > > Personally I wouldn't care if someone was selling a tape of >her singing >in her garage after an all night party and five >packs of cogs. > >Not "cogs" - CIGS! Nasty cigs! ;-D I was wondering what "cogs" were. I thought another drug related word . . . And "nasty cigs" such nasty cigs. We are watching a woman kill herself with those nasty cigs, not tell mention the side point of her voice range narrowing. As much as I respect Joni, it certainly drops with those fire sticks in her hands. I hope it is worth it to her. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:09 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: metheny-njc Need Metheny Advice After our recent Metheny chat I'm having my second listen in 14 years to Song X, the album he made with Ornette Coleman. I must admit I'm just as puzzled now as I was 14 years ago. Apart from some bebop on side 2 the remainder still sounds like a ferocious avant-garde meltdown. Master musicians chasing the impossible ? Junk or genius ? Maybe I'll have it figured out when I listen to it again in 2014. Philip NP Pat Metheny - Long Time No See ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:02 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: joni and judy njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Henry >. The album it > came from, 'In My Life' still reigns IMO as the > best panorama of great, late '60's folk there is. > Pat, In My Life is a great album. She seemed to bring a meaning to the songs that the original writers didn't have in their own versions. Particularly the Dylan and Lennon songs. I think Judy Collins is a great songwriter too. Anyone who has heard Nina Simone's version of Judy's song My Father will agree, I'm sure. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 21 07:41:30 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Looking for Garrett <> Yes, I'm hanging my head in shame... Anyway, it's sort of a "good news/bad news" scenario, innit? Bob: Hey Garrett, I got good news and bad news... Garrett: OK, what's the good news? Bob: Got a free CD for ya'! Garrett: Cool! What's the bad news? Bob: It's cheesy covers of Joni songs! :~) Bob NP: David Byrne, "a long time ago" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:43:43 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: for the roses (NJC) >michael, >do you have the music for banquet and ludwig's tune? i'd like to sing those >at ashara's. >hug, >wallyk I've been practicing banquet on the piano and I've got it down pretty good. Just pick a key... Victor, planning on coming to Boston(90% sure) ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 21 08:21:15 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat <> Firstly, I photocopied the article and can fax it to whoever wants to read it - it's a good article I think. BUT Joni makes a statement that keeps ringing in my head. She states that anyone who doesn't appreciate "BSN" is not "musically informed", and that just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm aware though that the things Joni says and the WAY she says them are sometimes different things. I'm still only lukewarm towards BSN, and I do consider myself fairly well musically informed - I think this is an "Emporer's New Clothes" kind of statement on her part. Especially when even artists from her own generation (Patti Smith, Steely Dan, Neil Young) have released INCREDIBLE CD's this year. And I had to laugh - in the "Selected Discography" section for Joni, they jump right over the Eighties stuff (and NRH for that matter) to TI! :~) Bob NP: David Byrne, "nothing at all" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:39:34 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman (NJC) In a message dated 6/21/00 7:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Dear Helen, this is just the song title that Percy Sledge originally came up with :~) >> in my humble opinion, you waking jimmy, if kathy lee were actually to do a woman, it would have to look more like this...... :)~ as opposed to this...:~) pat np. collective soul - blame n.s. art on the desk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:53:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the samesentence I'm not a KL fan by any means, but I saw her sing a song from her new cd on Rosie and was impressed with her sincerity and interpretation of the lyrics. Jerry nw: k.d. on the Today show, barefoot and fabulous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:59:23 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: East Troy Concert Mary writes: >>Hmm. . .that makes a bunch of us who were at that particular concert. There's Jody J., Laura, Susan, me. . . who else? Stand up and be counted>> Mary, This is so weird. I was at that Alpine Valley concert, too, along with Bob and Steve P. Actually, I went on the day it didn't rain. I believe she played 2 days. I still have the ticket and it was even cheaper than you remembered. I had a seat in the main section and it was $7.50! I even wrote down the setlist and saved the Journal review. (It's posted in the concert section of jmdl.com.) Small world, isn't it? Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:08:09 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: I've got a job!!! (NJC) Congratulations Jamie!!!! Heather At 03:05 AM 6/21/00 +0100, Jamie Zubairi wrote: >Hello all > >I just thought I would post to the list ( now that I feel that I know some >of you) that I have a job! The ink hasn't quite dried yet but it's in an >episode of the long-running series called 'Grange Hill' playing of all >things, a Filipino! I know there is at least 1 Filipino on the list (hi!). > >The character I'll be playing is the big brother of a regular character and >may come back in the next season (this being the last episode of the >current one) so I may be in regular work after this (hurrah!). > >Hope everyone is well and sorry for not being as regular as I usually am >(been busy stokin' the star maker machinery of my own). > >Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:21:52 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Kathie Lee (NJC) Helen wrote: >>OK. I can handle the thread title "Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence" but can we please do something about the subject title above? I'm getting some horrible images in my head ;o), but it's better than "Kathie Lee does Joni"!>> I was thinking the same thing!!! I thought another rumor was being started. Maybe it should read, " Kathie Lee does Kenny G!!" Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:19:01 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat She's a pip. BSN, which I adore, has its rough patches. Shamalzy strings, vocal inflections that don't work here and there, etc. I do think its a great record. However, it is not an earth shattering record. I think that some of Joni's more recent stuff (NRH and TI) in particular were much more impressive in general. Compare BSN to a lot of other things, it shines. Compare it to Billie's Lady in Satin, it doesn't. I get a kick out of Joni when she's promoting a record, because that particular record is always treated like it is the first record ever to be made. And I'll freely admit that aside from Harlem in Havana and Love Puts On A New Face, that for me TTT was Joni's least inspiring set to date. I love her stuff to death, but my GAWD she gets a big head. Reuben (I only seem to post in the morning when I can't focus very well. Forgive me...) >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > >BUT Joni makes a statement that keeps ringing in my head. She states that >anyone who doesn't appreciate "BSN" is not "musically informed", and that >just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm aware though that the things Joni says >and the WAY she says them are sometimes different things. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:20:21 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat Bob wrote: >Firstly, I photocopied the article and can fax it to whoever wants to read >it - it's a good article I think. Bob if you fax that to me, I will turn it into a small bitmap file that I will post back onto the list so anyone can look at it. That should reduce your phonebill! I will send you a separate e-mail with my fax number. > >BUT Joni makes a statement that keeps ringing in my head. She states that >anyone who doesn't appreciate "BSN" is not "musically informed", and that >just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm aware though that the things Joni says >and the WAY she says them are sometimes different things. Ouch . . . I guess I'll have to read the context that is in. > >And I had to laugh - in the "Selected Discography" section for Joni, they >jump right over the Eighties stuff (and NRH for that matter) to TI! :~) Gracious, I guess they think she was just on vacation for those productive years. Loree NP: Jimmie Spheeris "Isle of View" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:37:43 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy - sjc philipf wrote: - ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Henry >>The album it came from, 'In My Life' still reigns IMO as the best panorama of great, late '60's folk there is.>> >Pat, In My Life is a great album. She seemed to bring a meaning to the songs that the original writers didn't have in their own versions. Particularly the Dylan and Lennon songs. I think Judy Collins is a great songwriter too. Anyone who has heard Nina Simone's version of Judy's song My Father will agree, I'm sure. Philip> well said, phil. that album is one of the few, outside of Joni's, that is entirely burned into my soul... it's one thing to listen to a recording over and over, relating to the words and music as it relates to you and your life and loving how that beauty fills you, but to add the dimension of learning to play it yourself takes it to a deeper level. so many of the songs Judy has written or presented burn *so* deeply in this way... like 'My Father'. btw, one selection on 'In My Life', by Donovan, also had what would later become a Joni-link... see if you can find it: Sunny Goodge Street - "On the firefly platform on sunny Goodge Street Violent hash-smoker shook a chocolate machine Involved in an eating scene. Smashing into neon lights in their stillness Smearing their eyes on the crazy Kali goddess Listenin' to ***sounds of Mingus mellow fantastic.*** "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh. La la etc. In dull house rooms with coloured lights swingin' Strange music boxes sadly tinklin' Drink in the sun shining all around you. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh. La la etc. The magician, he sparkles in satin and velvet, You gaze at his splendour with eyes you've not used yet. I tell you his name is Love, Love, Love. "My, my", they sigh, "My, my", they sigh." :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:39:36 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: NJC Easy way to scan Joni articles Bob wrote: > >Thanks, Loree for stepping up to the plate on this! > >I don't have the article with me, but I'll bring it and send it to you >tomorrow... > Actually, guys, it is very simple converting a fax into a bitmap. Sign up for the FREE efax.com service. I sent my efax phone number to Bob. The fax will come into my e-mail account as an efax file, then all I do is export it as a basic bitmap image. For those of you without flatbed scanners, it is a way to make a fax machine do the same thing. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:44:45 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Kids these days NJC Harper Lou writes: >>Some of the lyrics coming from the newer groups are awful. Just the other day I heard a rap song from an imposing boombox with lyrics that just made me want to cry, in sympathy for people who think they need to listen to trash like that It's just as bad on television -- anyone accidentally hear what some of those professional wrestlers are saying to each other?>> I agree with a lot of what you wrote. I think a lot of the negativity of today's youth comes from kids not allowed to be innocent for very long. I teach Kindergarten in an inner city setting and you wouldn't believe what these kids already know and hear on a daily basis. It's not unusual for a car to the school parking lot BLARING rap music, the door opens and out steps a child. I'm sure there was no conversation going on between parent and child. Another thing driving me crazy is that my kids' heroes now are wrestling stars. All year they were constantly trying wrestling moves on each other even though they knew they weren't supposed to do that in school. I'm not saying that all families are troubled. I have met wonderful parents and have had many great kids in my classes, but I even see the innocent kids influenced by the others. A major problem that I see is very young parents raising children. I'm not blaming them. To me it's a cycle. If you weren't nurtured and didn't have much positive interaction with your parents, how are you going to know how to raise your own children?? Most of my kids get so ANGRY so fast! And they are only 5 years old! I don't want this to be too negative. I've just been getting very burned out lately. I try to be a positive influence, but sometimes I feel that I'm swimming upstream. On the other hand, I have watched my nieces and their friends grow into wonderful human beings. They are into many positive things and are very kind, caring people. It is true that every generation has said, "What's the matter with kids today?" My partner's father thinks Elvis started the whole downfall!!!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:49:46 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Painting video In a message dated 6/21/00 2:38:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << She did particularly incredible performances of "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" and "Three Great Stimulants" that did not make the final cut.>> And no one has a sound board or pocketbook/coat recording of this. The CA contingency of JMDL is slipping. :-) <> I actually have this on bootleg and will offer it up as a tree. :-) (Just kidding!) Stephen PS I just purchased the DVD and although I haven't watched all of it, what I have seen is wonderful IMHO. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:05:00 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Was Kathie Lee, Now Nancy LaMott (NJC) In a message dated 6/21/00 5:12:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: << I was trying to look for any Nancy LaMott CD because of the glowing review of her albums and as I searched through the internet, and the more articles I read about her, I realized that she is one talent deserving wider recognition (I mean, Linda Eder is a better singer than Whitney Houston, but why are her records not in the BillBoard?) and that her discs are being deleted. I hope I get the chance to listen to her. >> Hi Joseph! Thanks for your response. Nancy was truly a very special performer and person. I know that there had been plans to release a few more CD's of Nancy's work (early club appearances, demos, and that sort of stuff), but I understand that there are legal battles regarding her estate and royalties. At any rate, as her catalogue is out of print, I'd be glad to dub you a CD--I can do a "best of" or dub a particular CD that is of interest. You can E-mail me privately and let me know if you are interested. (This offer is open to anyone on the list of course.) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:22:57 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: A place to archive Joni photos and articles I have created a Internet "hard drive" to place articles (like the Downbeat article that Bob will send me) and photos. I encourage all JMDLers to use it! 1. - Go to www.xdrive.com 2. - Type JMDL as the User name (it is case sensitive) 3. - Type Joni as the password (also case sensitive) 4. - Select the Login button If someone else is logged on, then try again a little bit later. Download or Upload your files using the buttons at the top. It is pretty simple to use. And, of course, Logout, when you are done. Loree P.S. - (You can ignore the "public" and "private" folders which is part of xdrive directories). P.S.S. - HELP INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE JMDL "HARD DRIVE": If you like to start your own xdrive.com "hard drive" then PLEASE select the "Tell Your Friends" button and put in your own name and e-mail. You will receive a promotion in your own e-mail account. . . please click the link in the e-mail. You can then register for your xdrive account. When you register, we will receive another 5MB on our JMDL drive! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:32:45 EDT From: TIKIMOON007@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #345 Hello everyone! I am really excited that I have joined the list. I have been reading a lot of wonderful things from a lot of wonderful people. I had a shy start at first but i think i will be ok. Take Care Stacy ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 21 10:52:45 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #345 NJC <> As are we, Stacy! Welcome! So what is your Joni history, favorite album, live shows etc.? Looking forward to your input- Bob NP (Now Playing): Tracy Chapman, "If Not Now..." (boy did she set the bar high with this debut or what?!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:25:24 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Little Boxes (NJC) Hell wrote: >This reminds me of a song we used to sing in school, "Little Boxes". Written in 1963 by Malvina Reynolds of Berkeley, CA. I'm sure she'd be delighted that it was being sung by NZ schoolkids. Best, ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Little Boxes (NJC) Pete Seeger sang it last Wednesday night at the benefit concert for The American Folk Music Museum in NYC. What a joy it was to hear him. BTW, it was taped by PBS to be shown on their Roots of American Music series. Jerry On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Steve Dulson wrote: > Hell wrote: > > >This reminds me of a song we used to sing in school, "Little Boxes". > > Written in 1963 by Malvina Reynolds of Berkeley, CA. I'm sure she'd be > delighted that it was being sung by NZ schoolkids. > > Best, > > > ######################################################### > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com > "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: A place to archive Joni photos and articles The mystery of Boom Boom Pachyderm has been solved! Check it out in the Misc Photos folder here - --- Joni Fan wrote: > I have created a Internet "hard drive" to place articles (like the Downbeat > article that Bob will send me) and photos. > > I encourage all JMDLers to use it! > > 1. - Go to www.xdrive.com > 2. - Type JMDL as the User name (it is case sensitive) > 3. - Type Joni as the password (also case sensitive) > 4. - Select the Login button > > If someone else is logged on, then try again a little bit later. > > Download or Upload your files using the buttons at the top. It is pretty > simple to use. And, of course, Logout, when you are done. > > Loree > > P.S. - (You can ignore the "public" and "private" folders which is part of > xdrive directories). > > P.S.S. - HELP INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE JMDL "HARD DRIVE": > If you like to start your own xdrive.com "hard drive" then PLEASE select the > "Tell Your Friends" button and put in your own name and e-mail. You will > receive a promotion in your own e-mail account. . . please click the link in > the e-mail. You can then register for your xdrive account. When you > register, we will receive another 5MB on our JMDL drive! ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman (NJC) <> Pat, thanks for my morning, coffee spitting, laugh! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:50:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: for the roses (NJC) cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyk > > > I've been practicing banquet on the piano and I've got it down pretty good. > Just pick a key... > > Victor, planning on coming to Boston(90% sure) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:57:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Painting video yeah, i thought it was a reference to woodstock "i feel like just a cooooooog ...." ;-) wallyk >packs of cogs. > > Not "cogs" - CIGS! Nasty cigs! ;-D > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:26:50 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat James Vincent wrote in Downbeat: >I am so tired of Joni Mitchell always making herself out to be somehow greater >than other female artists who were also popular in her hey day. Lighten up, Joni. >You are not some statue of stone in a park. This guy must be a Joni fan. He's paraphrasing "Come in from the Cold" -- "I am not some stone commission/like a statue in a park/I am flesh and blood and vision" etc. Cleverly put! - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:29:23 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Crosby Stills Nash...and sometimes Young ***2 book-set*** NJC? From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:00:07 +0200 We are proud to present you the homepage of a new CSN (and sometimes Y) project: two books which will be available in early 2001. http://utenti.tripod.it/FranzL/homepage.htm The first volume of this project "Crosby Stills Nash...and sometimes Young" (448 pages with - more or less - 200 b&w photos) will feature the early years and the story of the Hollies, the Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield as well as the CSN&Y story from 1968 until today. The second volume "Forty years of music and a trunk of memories" (240 pages full color, with 300 photos, rare picture sleeves, tickets, handbills, posters, etc.) will contain a detailed discography, videography, bibliography, a complete guest-appearance list (on other people's albums), a concert-chronology (tours, benefit-concerts, live guest-appearances, set-lists, line-ups), a "radio and TV appearance" database and a "cover-version" listing. The set is enriched by many first-hand anecdotes and memories contributed by musicians, producers, managers, photographers, CSN associates, fans and by members of "The Lee-Shore", a CSN internet mailing-list. The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: Mike Finnigan, Joe Vitale, Craig Doerge, Joe Lala, George "Chocolate" Perry, John Sebastian, Dallas Taylor, Richie Furay, Dewey Martin & Madeline Fowler, Bruce Palmer, Chris Hillman, Don Gooch, Ken Weiss, Rance Caldwell, John Gonzales, Paul Dieter, Henry Diltz, Jackson Browne, David Lindley, Mark "Slick" Aguilar, Donovan, Bobby Elliott, Tony Hicks, Chris Stills, Jeff Pevar, James Raymond, James Taylor, Russel Kunkel, Van Dyke Parks, Bobby Ingram, David and Jan Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash. The two volumes will feature work contributed by California-rock photographer extraordinaire Henry Diltz, top "Brit pop" photographer Harry Goodwin, as well as photos by Ian Astle, Roger Barone, Mike Curcuru, Tom Davis, David Tulsky, and many others. For further info, go to: http://utenti.tripod.it/FranzL/homepage.htm Thanks, Francesco Lucarelli, Stefano Frollano, Herman Verbeke, Lucien van Diggelen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:33:30 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: comparison with lesser talent is inevitable Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: mariko sano Mary, Catherine, Bob and Jimmy: Thank you for your welcoming words and comments. I look forward to sharing thoughts with you. PFallo, regarding the criticism in Downbeat: The truth may sound like conceit. It is still the truth. Joni Mitchell has had a long career, much or most of it on the edge of the pop music scene. This is not a bad thing, but even through the remote association of celebrity, the comparison of her to lesser talent is inevitable. These critics cannot discuss Mitchell with her true peers because they do not know them, and if they did, they wouldn't understand them. Sadly, the truth is not always flattering. I think readers here will trust Joni Mitchell's observations on the state of popular music. Ron Peltomaa, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: A place to archive Joni photos and articles With all due respect, there already exists on the Internet a brilliant, thorough and inspiring archive of Joni and her career. It's the late Wally Breese's: http://www.jonimitchell.com As the site itself is perfection, I'm afraid we would be crying the wind in any attempt to improve it! Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:52:06 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: joni bashing in downbeat > -----Original Message----- Bob wrote: > I'm still only lukewarm towards BSN, and I do consider myself > fairly well musically informed - I think this is an "Emporer's > New Clothes" kind of statement on her part. Same here Bob...I think she definitely wanted to make a statement and say I can do what I want now, and this is what I want to do. I try to look at BSN for it's story and message b/c I think that's the part about it I enjoy the most...the thought behind that. If not for that I don't think I would be as inclined to enjoy it. I kinda wonder what she would say in normal conversation if you asked her about some of these issues where she comes across as trashing people or high on herself. How much is media interpretation? Take care Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:36:47 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat >James Vincent via e-mail writes: > >>I am so tired of Joni Mitchell always making herself out to be somehow >greater >than other female artists who were also popular in her hey day. >Lighten up, Joni. >You are not some statue of stone in a park. Oh boo-hoo, it sounds like we have another die hard Judy or Joan fan! NP-New Bohemians, Live Montauk Sessions - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > All this talk about Kathie Lee Gifford's unfortunate > cover of "Circle Game" > got me thinking... So without further ado, ladies > and gentlemen, here's > today's Top Ten List... > > (SFX: DRUMROLL) > > The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell > Songs Anyone Could Ever > Imagine... > This is very funny! and witty too - you've managed to encapsulate just about *every* controversial issue that has come up on this list in the last few weeks to a month - there's something for everyone there! When I first heard "Not to blame" I thought it WAS about OJ - but then I realized the timing was off. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: joni bashing in downbeat Just to put Joni's comments into perspective, point your browsers at: www.theworld.org Click on the RealAudio link for yesterday's show (6-20-2000) on NPR, and fast-forward to the story they did on the Vivandi/Seagram's merger at the very end ... there you will be treated to DJ Alligator Project - -- who, if the new mega-music giant has it's way -- will be the future of pop music. Then you tell me how good BSN sounds, and whether or not you still think Joni Mitchell ever lies! Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > When I first heard "Not to blame" I thought it WAS > about OJ - but then I realized the timing was off. > Silly rabbit! Everyone knows "Not To Blame" is about Jackson Browne. And now you'll pardon me whilst I retire to my foxhole! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 21 14:16:33 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: joni bashing in downbeat <> And since I've heard the live stuff, I have to say I'm excited about her next project, to hear the studio versions of the jazzed-up orchestrated "older" material. A song like "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" will work well with the full symphonic enhancement, while "Be Cool" will sound SO much better with a more subtle accompaniment, letting it swing a bit. I hope she'll be a little more creative in her coloring of the songs! Less is sometimes more, Joni! And of course, there's always the anticipation of wondering what else she's going to re-work! Bob NP: Tracy Chapman, "New Beginning" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni - --- Sara * wrote: > Hey Harper Lou~ > Sorry that this is a little late, but I have > been busy and trying to > catch up on all the messages that I have not yet > read - what a task! Well, > yes at times I too get discouraged by today's youth. > I am a part of this > generation, and I cannot say that I am overly proud > of that at times. But > you have to remember, not every young person today > is like the people on the > Rolling Stone message board or like your drummer > friend. Let me just chime in here and say "Brava, Sara!" You sound like a wonderful young person and I can safely add that I know many, many young people who are lovely human beings with a great deal of social conscience and I truly believe that these outnumber the boors by a long shot. Unfortunately it seems that the boors get more notice - because they're louder, because they're violent, because they "make news" - after all, who wants to read "good news" stories in the paper when you can read about horrific murders and accidents and terrible acts of violence? Just using my own family - my 2 kids and my many nieces and nephews - as an example, I can truly tell you that ALL of them are good and caring people. The worst I know of that any of them has done is that one of my nephews (aged 15) was picked up by the cops for possession of marijuana and for "trespassing" - he and his friends got caught smoking dope at a shopping plaza after hours. In his defense, he's a lovely kid, but too easily influenced by others - he's not an instigator of trouble, but tends to be more of a follower. And, his 13-yr old sister got picked up for shoplifting. In her defense, she is one of the sweetest kids you could ever hope to meet - always empathetic towards others, never got in trouble for anything and, when asked why she did it, didn't know! The day before she had had surgery involving general anaesthetic and my sister is convinced that she was still out of it from this. Add to that that her grandfather (my Dad) had just died suddenly and you can see that the kid was going through a rough time and perhaps acted totally out of character. Fortunately in their community, they deal with these types of crimes in what I think is a very humane way - they attend a "healing circle", where the kid talks to members of the community about what they did and what they can do to make amends, and then, the group decides on an appropriate community service by way of "atonement". Louis, I really hope that this incident with the dog was reported to the Humane Society - this has been bothering me all night - honest to God, I couldn't sleep! I hate to see animals abused and these people really need to be taken to task for this kind of behaviour. I've read recently that in some communities, they will no longer refer to people as "owners" of pets, but rather as "guardians", so that the animal is no longer your "property" but is under your protection, as they deserve to be. Chalk one up for animal rights! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:27:01 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Top Ten Horrific Covers >>The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs Anyone Could Ever Imagine...>> This was hilarious!!! I loved it!! How about: "I Don't Know Where I Stand" and "The Same Situation" by Al Gore and George W. Bush? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni and judy - --- Joni Fan wrote: > Don Rowe wrote: > >Judy herself mailed a list member (her e-mail was > >forwarded to the jmdl), and put that nasty little > >rumor to rest in some of the most stunningly > beautiful > >language and phrasing I've ever had the pleasure to > >read. Judy Collins continues to admire Joni I don't like to sound *too* cynical, but I also sent an e-mail to Judy Collins and got a lovely answer from her. I'm not sure I totally believe that it is really Judy responding. I don't think she'd have time to respond to every individual e-mail she gets (maybe she does, who knows?) I think it's more likely a staff of people who work on her behalf - if they're really good at what they do, they can use her "voice" in responding and would be hired on that basis - they'd have to be empathetic and would have to somehow convey Judy's personality. I hate to burst anyone's balloon, but my job is managing a correspondence unit that responds to letters addressed to a cabinet minister. I know our minister reads all the letters and signs them all personally, but she doesn't prepare the responses herself. And she's probably somewhat unusual in that she actually DOES read all of them and DOES sign them personally - others that I know of have a "signing wheel" or "autopen" that their staff use to "sign" their letters, and the minister him/herself never sees most of them. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #346 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?