From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #345 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 345 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- He.lp! [Bounced Message ] Re: Fred Walecki Benefit (now NJC) [Phyliss Ward ] Re: (NJC)Harper Lou's Blues [Jason Maloney ] [Fwd: Re: (NJC)Harper Lou's Blues] [Jason Maloney ] I've got a job!!! (NJC) ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [Gellerray@aol.] NJC Looking for Garrett [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kids these daus (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Re: NJC Looking for Garrett ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Kids these days (NJC) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: Fred Walecki benefit. [Richard Rice ] Re: Tunings (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: All I want as recorded by the Supremes [Steven Barton ] Re: NJC Re: Painting video ["Kakki" ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Levittown, & NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: NJC Re: Painting video ["Kakki" ] Re: Kids these days (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:16:52 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: He.lp! Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:47:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Morning everyone- I am looking for the artwork for the CD-Trees esp. Bread and Roses Fest, Jazz Fest New Orleans, Day IN the Garden, and the Hissing Demos. Are these posted on someones site? If not can someone please contact me about sending these to me as attachments? Thanks. Michael NP-Perpetual Change-Yes Live at the House of Blues Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:44 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Fred Walecki Benefit (now NJC) I've gotten a few questions off list about this so I'm gonna clarify. I'm a clay artist and we clay people tend to call clay mud, which is kinda close to what it is. I'm going to Tennessee to attend a week long workshop at the Arrowmont School of Craft. I am going with my husband, who has started dabbling in clay too, and my friends Patty and Mike Griffin, who have the same passion. I'm really looking forward to this trip! (to play with mud) : - ) Phyliss Kakki wrote: > > Damn! I'll be in Tennessee playing with mud. I wish I could >clone me > and do EVERYTHING! > > Phyllllisss! Why go all the way to TN? You can play in mud right here. Or > if it is special TN mud, have them ship you some for heaven's sake! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:50:56 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: (NJC)Harper Lou's Blues Susan wrote: > > On the plus side though, we are still thriving and there are pockets of > young people who are becoming involved and working for acceptance and > tolerance. We shall overcome. But GOD save the music! Stamp out 90% > of rap and Brittany Spears, Kid Rock, Eminem and the list goes on and on > and .... Why does Britney always get lumped in with any crticism or aseessment of what is *wrong* with music today? I've said it before, and I'll say it again..I don't get it. She's no different to any of the 80s pop queens, as far as I can see. How does she negatively influence culture through what are traditional pop songs and subjects? I can think of several exmaples of what you are talking about, but it seems to me Britney is an easy target. The Spice Girls, too. Perhaps over-exposure, either through the media or one's own children, contributes to this dislike of Britney and the Spices. I can understand that. I just get tired of seeing them get a bad rap whenever this subject is mentioned. There is dross to be found in their genre, but it isn't from them. It's become a tired cliche. With respect, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:51:25 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: [Fwd: Re: (NJC)Harper Lou's Blues] Message-ID: <39501F80.70FC@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:50:56 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Reply-To: jason.maloney@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN711-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan CC: jonI@smoe.org Subject: Re: (NJC)Harper Lou's Blues References: <394F8E1F.692546F5@mail.fadc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan wrote: > > On the plus side though, we are still thriving and there are pockets of > young people who are becoming involved and working for acceptance and > tolerance. We shall overcome. But GOD save the music! Stamp out 90% > of rap and Brittany Spears, Kid Rock, Eminem and the list goes on and on > and .... Why does Britney always get lumped in with any crticism or aseessment of what is *wrong* with music today? I've said it before, and I'll say it again..I don't get it. She's no different to any of the 80s pop queens, as far as I can see. How does she negatively influence culture through what are traditional pop songs and subjects? I can think of several exmaples of what you are talking about, but it seems to me Britney is an easy target. The Spice Girls, too. Perhaps over-exposure, either through the media or one's own children, contributes to this dislike of Britney and the Spices. I can understand that. I just get tired of seeing them get a bad rap whenever this subject is mentioned. There is dross to be found in their genre, but it isn't from them. It's become a tired cliche. With respect, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:54:28 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Kids these days (NJC) Thanks for coming to my generation's defense, Kate. "Trend" stories, though prominent in journalism and popular thought, are often based more on the shifty ground of perspective and speculation than "reality," and the "this generation is going to hell in a handbasket" belief is just another one of those. I do want to disagree with something you wrote, though. > Here is the who is to blaim part---What I do see as the norm however is > a higher tolerance (not acts)of violence. I attribute this to a > generation that has been exposed to a lot of graphic violence portrayed > in the media. I blaim the probably mostly middle aged people who use > violence as a form of entertainment for profit. (And thank you record > company executives who are promoting that guy Eminem or whatever is name > is). This, too, is a trend story, and one I don't know if I buy, for several reasons. First, and most abstractly, it could be that we *perceive* our generation to be more tolerant of violence because we know of more violence, through the media, that we perceive to be tolerated. In other words, years ago people's knowledge of violence that occurred was generally local in nature (with only the most egregious exceptions). One cannot "tolerate" violence about which one does not know; therefore, we now "tolerate" more violence simply because we know about more violence, and not because our level of tolerance has really gone up. I would want to see numbers, both on violence and toleration, before believing this claim. The crime rate has gone down in recent years (and, indeed, it is probably much better collected and reported data than it was 30 or 40 years ago or more). If violence was more tolerated, would it not be likely that it would occur more often? You do mention that acts of violence are not necessarily more common, but I wonder if this isn't an indication of pretty consistent levels of intolerance for it. I'm also skeptical about the influence of the media being as direct as we like to think it is. Especially on the left (where I am), many thinkers want to have it both ways WRT the media: images with sex and so-called profanity do not influence kids too much, but perhaps violent images do, and certainly images of diversity can have influence. This analysis seems too situational to me, grounded more in ideology than in a real consideration of the media-viewing and -assimilating (not in the becoming same sense, but in the apprehending sense) experience. And, related to that point, I must defend Eminem. His flow is remarkable, his rhymes inventive, his story-telling powers humorous and compelling, and his songs downright catchy. "The Real Slim Shady" is my vote for single of the year at this point. I f**king love it. The violence with which he drenches some of his songs is an artistic choice as much as the Irish girls stuffed in the Laundries' holes, to my mind. It very likely may be made with commercial considerations in mind, yes, but I find that to be a less honest criterion for judgment than its emotional affect, which I, personally, find strong, unique, and unsettling in a way art should be. - --Michael NP: Michael Jackson, _Bad_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's hard to be a diamond in a rhinestone world." - --Dolly Parton, "Tennessee Homesick Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:06:41 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Kids these days NJC Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Kate Bennett" > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:49:26 -0700 > > Harper Lou "Sorry, but I'm feeling a lot of lost hope for this next > generation right > now... Could someone counter the rollingstone site with something hopeful? " > > Your drummer friend is not the norm. He is a VERY sick individual who could > be prosecuted for what he is doing to young girls (sounds like date rape to > me) and animals. However, he is no more the norm than Charles Manson was the > norm for the children of the 60's. > > Here is the hopeful part (I hope)---I know many young kids & have a lot of > hope for the next generation. The kids I know are not like the creep you > mentioned (I am sorry if he is your friend- I have no tolerance for the > stuff he is into). They are for the most part very kind, spiritual, peace > loving kids. A little more street wise than I was, they grow up faster these > days it seems. > > Here is the who is to blaim part---What I do see as the norm however is a > higher tolerance (not acts)of violence. I attribute this to a generation > that has been exposed to a lot of graphic violence portrayed in the media. I > blaim the probably mostly middle aged people who use violence as a form of > entertainment for profit. (And thank you record company executives who are > promoting that guy Eminem or whatever is name is). > > Sorry, I have REALLY strong feelings about all of this but I don't want to > start another war of the words. Just in case as Hell would say its all IMO. > > (putting away the soapbox now and ducking) > > Kate Bennett > Singer/Songwriter > www.katebennett.com <<<>>> Mags, who is very proud of Mimi for her courage and tenacity to stare straight into the eyes of the dragon. - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:05:34 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: I've got a job!!! (NJC) Hello all I just thought I would post to the list ( now that I feel that I know some of you) that I have a job! The ink hasn't quite dried yet but it's in an episode of the long-running series called 'Grange Hill' playing of all things, a Filipino! I know there is at least 1 Filipino on the list (hi!). The character I'll be playing is the big brother of a regular character and may come back in the next season (this being the last episode of the current one) so I may be in regular work after this (hurrah!). Hope everyone is well and sorry for not being as regular as I usually am (been busy stokin' the star maker machinery of my own). Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:23:45 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 6/20/00 7:57:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! Stephen :-D >> That is very very funny. I hope you really did! Raymond ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:49:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Looking for Garrett Sorry for the bandwidth, folks! Garrett, I've got a free Cheese disc for you, but I can't read your writing so I need an address to send it to! Thanks, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:00:38 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids these daus (NJC) A little perspective for this discussion... I recently read about children who nailed a cat to a post and then took turns butting the live and clawing cat with their heads to see who could kill it first. I was horrified. But it didn't make me wonder what's the matter with kids today. You see, the children who played this game lived during the Middle Ages. And the book I was reading was "A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century," by Barbara Tuchman. My point? The evil part of human nature is nothing new. And I'll bet that the tendency for older generations to criticize the young has been around since we lived in caves. No time in history has ever been perfect, but given a choice, I'd choose the years I've lived (I'm 47) as the most exciting and interesting age in which to live. Plus I've seen many good changes in people and society in those years. Of course I also worry about the world going to hell. After all, it's what people have always done. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:01:58 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 06/20/2000 10:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gellerray writes: << << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! Stephen :-D >> That is very very funny. I hope you really did! Raymond >> I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:02:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence << That is very very funny. I hope you really did! >> Oh ha ha, very funny indeed! Easy for you to say, you don't have that pointy chin staring you in the face like I do! And I still have it! I tried to throw it away but the garbagemen picked it out of the can and tossed it back in my yard! So here's whats on it: 1. Born For You/Circle Game 2. It Goes Like it Goes/Sweet Dreams 3. Help is on the Way 4. Moondance (just for you, Kakki!) 6:29 Worth! 5. Here's That Rainy Day 6. Before the Parade Passes By/Don't Rain on My Parade 7. First Time/Not Exactly Paris 8. I Got Lost in His Arms 9. Only My Pillow Knows 10. Child in Me 11. On My Way to You 12. Sunrise Sunset/Try to Remember 13. The Journey 14. Born For You 15. Ironman/Smoke On The Water (I made that up!) And the photos inside of her and Giff are enough to make you toss major cookies! Just remember...I have a lot of yall's addresses - so you better behave, unless you want old anorexic Kathie to come knockin' on your door! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:05:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 06/20/2000 11:02:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << I tried to throw it away but the garbagemen picked it out of the can and tossed it back in my yard! >> I guess my Southern connections are still good after all these years!!!!!!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:11:51 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: NJC Looking for Garrett Shame on you, Bob! To think you'd use precious JMDL bandwidth for something as irrelevant and selfish as trying to contact someone to whom you'd hoped to send a free Joni Covers CD. :-) "Boston Jim" > Sorry for the bandwidth, folks! > > Garrett, I've got a free Cheese disc for you, but I can't read your writing > so I need an address to send it to! > > Thanks, > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:26:35 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids these days (NJC) In a message dated 6/20/00 6:32:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kate Bennett writes: << Here is the hopeful part (I hope)---I know many young kids & have a lot of hope for the next generation. The kids I know are not like the creep you mentioned (I am sorry if he is your friend- I have no tolerance for the stuff he is into). They are for the most part very kind, spiritual, peace loving kids. A little more street wise than I was, they grow up faster these days it seems. >> Kate: Thank you, so much, for posting this. OK, now Coyote takes the soapbox. Through my army of nieces and nephews, ranging in age from 1 year to 19 years, I have met a lot of the younger generation and loudly echo your observations. Additionally, through my work in my firm's adopt-a-school program, I regularly speak to (and work closely with) more urban kids. Ya know, stay in school, stay off drugs, have safe sex kind of messages, depending on age group. And I am talking about some hardened kids. Allow me to elaborate a bit on your observations. The bulk of kids I meet and get to know are, as Kate says: kind, spiritual, and peace-loving. Of course there are others, but in my experience, they are the outliers. I recently sat through a Grade 11 classroom group discussion at Hollywood High that evolved to a topics pertaining to Marilyn Manson (that's his name, right?) I always found the guy to be scary, even demonic. But, was I ever enlightened about this blue(?)-eyed music man's (if I may be so bold) impact on kids. Some of the kids were "grossed out" by him, others could recite his lyrics as some of us can Joni's. I found about a 50/50 split. Funny thing, the whole discussion reminded me of my high school when some classmates touted Bowie as a freaky-demonic-drug promoting-transvestite-fag while another group of us could recite every word to Rock-n-Roll Suicide and Hang On To Yourself. In that respect, not much has changed. What has changed is that kids do, in my opinion, grow up faster. They have much more exposure to information through the media on issues that may have been unmentionable in a 40-year-old's heyday. I can't imagine talking to my parents (or contemporaries back then) freely about stuff we see everyday on TV. I remember how my parents wouldn't let me see Bonnie and Clyde (too violent) in elementary school and how our church (Episcopal) came out against the movie for its glamorization of crime. And to talk about homosexuality on TV? No way. Heck, my nieces and nephews discussed my homosexuality with me when they were in elementary school. When I was at that age, I didn't even know what it was and always thought (hoped) it would go away when I "got married." My niece, at age 13, even did a current events report for school on the Clinton scandal, including verbiage delicately describing the act of oral sex! I think some, or even a big part of that, may be due to Internet access. Just look at how it has changed our lives as adults! No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:51:00 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: Fred Walecki benefit. Regarding Fred Walecki's benefit concert... Wooo. Cat's out of the bag. When I had the gracious and fortunate opportunity to talk to Fred last week, he was on pins with excitement about the Aug. concert. Although, listening to him and reading the info regarding the benefit, it appears Fred was kept 'out of the loop' as to what the purpose of the concert was for. He took it as a grand reunion of the old guard. I doubt he would toot his own horn to me if he knew it was to be a benefit for him. I suspect this end of the deal was kept away from his knowing ears. I hope the surprise sticks. I could guarantee Joni will be there. Weither or not she will perform is another thing. She and Jackson Browne probably have restraining orders out on each other. So I am sure there will be a legion of mutual protectors scouting the scene to make sure they don't bump into each other. At least, this is what I imagine happening. I can't picture an all out brawl or the two of them making a grand reconciliation at the event. In the end tho, I am tickled pink that efforts are being made to give Fred Walecki his due. In the brief interactions I have had with him, he has demonstrated the heart and soul of a saint, the gentle and protective nature of a good friend, and a very playful, inquisitive heart. Throat cancer will not stop this man in his tracks. He gives everything to the things he loves, so he will be a Go, Speed Racer for years to come. Bob, a pop culture sponge? I like that line... And Vince. How bout those White Sox!!! Holy Cow!!!!! John. ( I am still hoping that Les or Jim will contact Fred Walecki about an interview. I know you guy's are extremely taxed and busy, but what do I have to do? Email you privately? ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:27:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Tunings (NJC) on 6/20/00 3:03 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> This was posted by Brian Harred on the Eric Johnson list. I >am posting it > here for the benefit of you all who are into "the >deeper meaning". Some of > you scholl learned musicians >may like to comment on it's accuracy, etc. > Excuse the >bandwidth for all of you who don't find this interesting. > > Hey Mikey, > > I find it very interesting but still don't understand a word of it. The > author keeps indicating that it's so easy to figure out now and all and I > was desperately trying to find the "decoder key" to get it. It reads too > much like math to me and, unfortunately, the math module and probably the > entire left hemisphere was left out when I received my brain! I would love > for someone to translate it for me - maybe Howard Wright or someone else > here can do it. I really need to find a copy of "Music Theory for Dummies". > Help! > > Kakki > > > > > Hi Kakki- Static in th attic eh? I know we had alot more in common then just music. Joni claims to not know what the hell she is doing, but I reckon that has to be somewhat of an Andy Kaufmann routine on her part. I have a couple of books pon Alternate tunnings along with shapes and all, that I will get to one day after I finish the Joni catalog. Tee hee! BTW I would like to take this chance to ask folks (especially you ebay shoppers and flea markets queens) to PLEASE keep a look out for a For The Roses song book for me. I have all the pages fotocopied from my old book that is now taters. I would very much like to replace it if I can. Thanks! Michael NP-Cherokee Louise-Gene Autry Museum Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:32:39 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: All I want as recorded by the Supremes Another side note. Joni sang on at least two of Jimmy Webb's solo albums: "Letters" and "Lands End." James Phillips wrote: > As a side note about the Supremes version of All I want, the album that it > appeared on, the Supremes produced and arranged by Jimmy Webb. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:33:49 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: joni bashing in downbeat i'm sure many of you caught the may issue of downbeat magazine. it featured a great cover article and interview with joni where she talks about the making of "both sides now" that i recall getting some mention on this list. however in the july issue of downbeat that i just received today, it seems that article didn't go over so well with some readers. in the chords & discords feature (letters to the editor), two readers wrote in, apparently having gotten a very negative impression of joni from that article. i'll reprint their letters below. please don't shoot the messenger. phil p.s. i'll get the hanging tree ready. Richard Thurston from Seattle writes: >I have a suggestion for a new category in your annual Readers Poll: Egoist of the >Year. I doubt that anyone you may interview between now and Dec. 31 will surpass >Joni Mitchell for her display of conceited self-absorbtion in the May 2000 issue. >After touting her new release as "a triumph musically," she heads downhill. >Mitchell claims that "across the board ... music has degenerated so disgustingly," >and that this record is "a statement about music at the end of the 20th century." >Golly, I'm impressed. James Vincent via e-mail writes: >I am so tired of Joni Mitchell always making herself out to be somehow greater >than other female artists who were also popular in her hey day. Lighten up, Joni. >You are not some statue of stone in a park. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:43:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: for the roses (NJC) michael, do you have the music for banquet and ludwig's tune? i'd like to sing those at ashara's. hug, wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:20:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Painting video Hi Loree, you wrote: > For those of you who want to take a moment to read the >amazon.com "Painting" reviews, some say the exact things >that Scott says. Others say the exact opposite on the >DVDs . . . which makes me wonder about the actual >production of the DVDs. We had some mixed reactions here on the list, too. I recall that there was some thought that maybe the product manufactured/distributed outside the U.S. was somewhat inferior. I wouldn't know about the DVDs but have the video and it seems fine to me. However, she was just recovering from a nasty flu at that time and some people think her voice is not at its best. It seemed fine to us there. There were around 20 of us from the list here over the two nights of the tapings. To say it was a mindblowing does not do justice to the actual experience. A lot of us still pinch ourselves to think we were really there. Some of us also got to meet her and will all attest that she is even more wonderful in person. The only thing a lot of us regret is that not all the songs she performed were included on the final tape due to lack of time. She did particularly incredible performances of "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" and "Three Great Stimulants" that did not make the final cut. Personally I wouldn't care if someone was selling a tape of her singing in her garage after an all night party and five packs of cogs. I'd buy it in a second! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:33:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman OK. I can handle the thread title "Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence" but can we please do something about the subject title above? I'm getting some horrible images in my head ;o), but it's better than "Kathie Lee does Joni"! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:40:16 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Levittown, & NJC Bruce wrote: >>The houses are the same, and rigidly so. > >My acquaintance with Levittown is a aerial shot of a typical street, >wherein the houses were identical, where there was none of this juggling or >flipping of basic floor plans that you note on the HOSL cover. This reminds me of a song we used to sing in school, "Little Boxes". The chorus went: Little boxes, on the hillside Little boxes, made of ticky-tacky Little boxes, little boxes And they all look just the same There's a pink one, and a green one And a blue one, and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same It also reminds me of the story my mother tells of the first house the bought in a "new" suburb outside Wellington in the very early 1960's, called Wainuiomata. They had a choice of three different plans, and every house in the street was one of the three, maybe rotated 90 degrees to make it look (slightly) different. The houses are all still there, although things have changed a little around them in the last 40 years! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:34:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Painting video Whoops, I wrote: > Personally I wouldn't care if someone was selling a tape of >her singing in her garage after an all night party and five >packs of cogs. Not "cogs" - CIGS! Nasty cigs! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:46:46 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Kids these days (NJC) Coyote wrote: >What has changed is that kids do, in my opinion, grow up faster. They have >much more exposure to information through the media on issues that may have >been unmentionable in a 40-year-old's heyday. I think this is the main difference with today's younger generation. I'm not convinced that there is less violence these days, although with seemingly easier access to firearms, the consequences can be far greater. But things happening in a small suburb in the US, are suddenly known world-wide through satellite links, the internet etc. and I think (to some degree) this helps give the illusion that it's happening more often. Of course the media tend to sensationalise a lot of the news nowdays. I guess everything's a rating war, and the more graphic and explicit you are, the higher the shock value. Maybe that accounts for some of it? Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #345 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?