From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 344 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: joni and judy [SMEBD@aol.com] Shadows and Light video re-release ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Workplace /Joni Lyric [Steve Polifka ] Walecki Benefit [Steve Dulson ] Walecki Benefit [Steve Dulson ] Painting video & Joni's health ["Joni Fan" ] VLJC Jimmy Spheeris CDs ["Joni Fan" ] Kathie Lee (NJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] TNT Joni tribute ["Joni Fan" ] The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs [Murphycopy@aol.c] Re: Kathie Lee (NJC) ["Joni Fan" ] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs ["James L. Le] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs (VLJC) [FMYFL] Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Painting video [Scott Price ] Re: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni ["Sara *" ] RE: Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston ["Peg Eves" ] RE: Anne's healing ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: Joni's loyal fan base [Don Rowe ] Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Fwd: Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Re: joni and judy ["P. Henry" ] Re: Tunings (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Re: joni and judy ["P. Henry" ] Re: joni and judy (and the JMDL archives) (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) [Scott and Jody ] NJC Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Check it out on jmdl.com (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Jack goes to Chicago (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] JONI / JACO [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: pan am [RickieLee1@aol.com] FW: pan am [Walter R Rodgers III ] Kids these days [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:31:08 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: joni and judy In a message dated 6/20/00 10:54:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << The album it came from, 'In My Life' still reigns IMO as the best panorama of great, late '60's folk there is. >> I have to agree with you. And I once read that Joni loved this album as well. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:32:16 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Shadows and Light video re-release I wanted to purchase the "Shadows and Light" video this morning. Looking at amazon.com . . . I see that it is not currently being offered by Warner Brothers Video. Having read the reviews on amazon.com, I see that they are all demanding for Warner Brothers to wake up and re-release it on VHS and also this time on DVD. I found an e-mail address that goes to the executives, instead of customer services which is whvdirect@whv.wb.com In the meantime, I will go looking for a used VHS copy of "Shadow and Light" . . . . oh sigh. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:32:06 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 6/20/00 10:58:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca writes: << Whatever did Bob do to deserve that?? ;) >> You want the list?? Stephen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:37:43 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Workplace /Joni Lyric > Q: It occurred to me today that my place of employment is mentioned in a > Joni Mitchell lyric. Where do I work? > > The first person to guess correctly wins a can of bugspray. > > Nickel Chief > Now that Kakki won the prize, it's safe to express myself. I thought you might be a bridge troll... Who knew? (kidding...) Gotta luv me! NP: Judgement of the Moon and Stars Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:00:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Walecki Benefit Kakki wrote: >Well, yeah I sure want to go. Anyone else here interested? Where two or >more jmdlers are gathered, there will always be a party ;-) Hey, I'll go! And the lineup is interesting enough that even Michele might want to go. Let's talk... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:02:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Walecki Benefit Kakki also wrote: >Now the question is will Joni show up? She hasn't seemed to want to hang >with that gang in recent years. I'm sorry to bring this up but, guessing at >her perspective, I wouldn't be surprised if JB's participation in these >group benefits in recent years had something to do with it. Joni appeared with Jackson at least as late as '87...but I guess that was before Not To Blame, huh? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:47:14 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Painting video & Joni's health Likewise, I looked at the amazon.com reviews on "Painting with Words and Music" . . . I have never seen such diverse reviews. Avid Joni fans either loved it or hated it. I'm trying to figure out which kind of Joni fan I would be before buying it! ha! Dear JMDLers, anyone have an opinion on this video? Quality of production? Quality of concert? Quality of audio? Do you have VHS or DVD also would be helpful to know. (I have a funny feeling there were problems with the DVD production standards) Also the amazon.com reviewer referred to Joni as having "frail health." I know she currently smokes like a stack, and from seeing some of the JMDL postings, I gather there has been drug use. Not to mention her post-polio symptoms (that can be serious stuff). However, I wouldn't have described her as in "frail health" seeing her on the TNT April tribute. And she just finished her BSN tour with back-to-back dates . . . oh and don't forget the art exhibit opening at the end of the month. (whew, I'm tired just typing it!) Anyway, what is the deal? Is Joni well? For some stupid reason, I keep thinking of Elvis' passing and wondering why NO ONE intervened his self-destructive behaviors before he died. Obviously there is a world of difference between Elvis and Joni . . . . bet I'll get e-mail on this statement ;) Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:58:46 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: VLJC Jimmy Spheeris CDs Besides loving Joni's music so much, I have always held Jimmie Spheeris music close to my heart. Tragically, he died in 1983 from a drunk driver hitting him on his motorcycle immediately after he finished recording what is now his last album. From what I have read Joni also thought highly of his music (please correct me if I am wrong). I consider Jimmie's first album "Isle of View" an utter masterpiece . . . one of the very best of the late 20th century. Jimmie's close friends, with the support of fans, have re-released all of his albums onto CD (with "cooperation" from Sony, although I really hate to call it cooperation). Check it out at www.rainrecords.com Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:01:32 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Kathie Lee (NJC) As I am the guilty party, the one who contributed the KL cover of Circle Game, I thought that I would share one nice story about Kathie Lee. There was an up and coming singer in NY named Nancy LaMott. I had met Nancy on a cruise. I was already a fan of hers and she was part of the entertainment. As we were boarding the ship, I saw her and said hello. I later saw her at the lunch buffet that day and my lover asked her to sing "Laura" (for his birthday) and Nancy was delighted to find 2 fans on board. She asked to join us for lunch and we spent the afternoon with her. We became friends and saw her perform regularly in NY, went out to dinners and shows, etc. As Nancy's career was really starting to take off (she performed for the Clinton's at a State Dinner), Nancy was diagnosed with cancer. Kathie Lee had been a big fan and promoter of Nancy (Nancy had appeared on Kathie Lee's show), and when Nancy was too ill to be at home, Kathie Lee had Nancy move in to her home and took care of her till the end. For this one act of kindness, I have to tip my hat to Kathie Lee. (As a side note, President Clinton called Nancy near the end and told her how much he had loved her singing and that he wanted her back at the White House. Nancy was delighted. Nancy was also married on her deathbed.) I know that this has strayed from the original topic, but I thought that this might be of interest and shed a different light on KL.) Stephen (who is not a fan of KL's singing, but appreciates what she did for a friend) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:19 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: TNT Joni tribute I just heard from TNT on the April tribute to Joni. Their exact words are "Unfortunately no video or CD will be released for this program at this time." (e-mail is TNT@turner.com or Deborah.Sheats@turner.com) TNT has released these on other tributes in the past. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:11:55 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs All this talk about Kathie Lee Gifford's unfortunate cover of "Circle Game" got me thinking... So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, here's today's Top Ten List... (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs Anyone Could Ever Imagine... (SFX: POLITE APPLAUSE) Are you ready, folks? (SFX: MORE APPLAUSE) Number Ten: "Cherokee Louise" by Cher. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine: "Furry Sings the Blues" by Kenny G. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight: "People's Parties" by Elian Gonsalez. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven: "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" by Sherman Helmsley. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six: "Harry's House/Centerpiece" by Martha Stewart. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five: "Morning Morgantown" by Morgan Fairchild. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four: "The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms)" by Rosie O'Donnell. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three: "This Flight Tonight" by Patsy Cline. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two: "Willy" by Monica Lewinsky. (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Most Horrific Cover of Joni Mitchell Songs Anyone Could Ever Imagine: "Not to Blame" by OJ Simpson! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:23:04 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: Kathie Lee (NJC) >As I am the guilty party, the one who contributed the KL cover of Circle >Game, I thought that I would share one nice story about Kathie Lee. It is an extraordinary story about KL. I'm glad to hear it. Also appreciate her sense of humor about herself. I'm so sorry to hear about Nancy's death. My sympathy to you, she sounded wonderful. Just makes you shake ones head as to how things go sometimes. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:40:20 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs LOL! "Boston Jim" > All this talk about Kathie Lee Gifford's unfortunate cover of "Circle Game" > got me thinking... So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, here's > today's Top Ten List... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:38:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs (VLJC) In a message dated 6/20/00 12:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << Number Seven: "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" by Sherman Helmsley >> LOL !!! ..........although I can't imagine Joni singing "Moving on up to the east side" or whatever the Jefferson's theme song is called. I do think I would add in your top ten: "Both Sides Now" by Renee Richards :~) No offense to any transgenders either ! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:06:36 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) >joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I still have yet to see the "underbelly" postings on the >rollingstone.com > site . . . we have simply brought light back to that discussion group. A > quiet instrument does just fine. > Loree>> > >Loree, its not for the feinthearted. trust me. marcel No, Marcel . . . you misunderstood. I HAVE read every single one of the rollingstone.com postings. I was the one that brought it to the attention to JMDL. I was simply saying there have not been ANY negative postings since JMDLers starting posting on it. That we have brought light back to that discussion site. My English was poor. So sorry. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:24:17 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain >From: B Merrill >Reply-To: B Merrill >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:42:12 -0400 > >I've been reading _Jaco_ by Bill Milnowski. The relevant coincidence (for >us Joni fans) is that the point where he is "hanging" and touring with >Joni, 1976-7, happens to be both the point where his life goes through this >disastrous turnaround, and Jaco shifts from being emphatically straight to >emphatically druggy, and also (not coincidentally) at the cocaine apex when >"everybody" (in the hip US music world) was tooting away like their was no >tomorrow. Michael Brecker talks about how coked out their JM tour was: "It >was just a symptom of the times-- everybody was doing cocaine then." (See >88-92) > > Jaco was such a phenomenal musician (the most creative & extraordinary >musician that Joni has worked with?)... and this is appalling tragedy, the >way in which he fell apart... ending up on the streets, and finally killed. > >"...plenty of lines, >but nothing to say..." > >Bruce ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 13:25:56 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT Joni tribute <> So who needs TNT, Loree - you've got the JMDL! Since it's NOT being released commercially, I'll be happy to burn you a copy of the CD (an excellent effort by Steve Polifka), or put it on tape if that's your preference. Just lemme know! Bob NP: Buena Vista Social Club, "Veinte Anos" ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 13:29:41 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs <> LOL! Great list, Bob! All this list needs, another wisecracking Bob...maybe we're a franchise! :~D Sidenote: Kakki, Stephen, Leslie, Philip - print this list out and start searching! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:12:44 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs Yeah. OJ doin' "Not To Blame". With his fortunate and famous "buddies" doing back up vocals! Peg > > "Not to Blame" by OJ Simpson! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:38:31 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: NJC Re: TNT Joni tribute Bob wrote: >So who needs TNT, Loree - you've got the JMDL! > >Since it's NOT being released commercially, I'll be happy to burn you a >copy of the CD (an excellent effort by Steve Polifka), or put it on tape if >that's your preference. Now that is exciting news . . . I feel empowered . . . I may just break into "I Am Woman" . . . well, maybe not! I do have a videotape of it, but I've replayed it so much, I wonder how that will last! Now when you say CD . . . I assume you mean audio CD?? If so, that would be heaven and a half!!!!!! (thank you Steve Polifka!) Where is the donation bin? If you mean DVD, that would be unbelievable also!!!!! But you know, I still wish TNT would release for the poor non-JMDL world. And aren't there, um, copyright issues?? Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:46:12 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex What is meant by this comment, in layperson's terms? "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ada Wittenberger > > i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:39:59 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Joni's world list (NJC) Brand-new member Ron (Mariko Sano?) wrote: "I joined this group a couple days ago and have already received three "issues." A quick reading through them leaves me with a forboding taste of trivia (not for). I hope the more ardent collectors of trivia have another forum to pursue their obsessions. I don't want to dictate tastes and pleasures; I only look forward to communicating with others about Joni Mitchell's work." He then added, "I have just joined this service. I find it awkward to join in conversations in progress. I feel a bit like an outsider (a typical JM listener?), in part because I am Canadian. I must adjust to the American perspective and perhaps the American personality if I am to participate in this." Me now: welcome, Ron! As a cyber-cafe, the JMDL just can't be beat. In fact, I often want to hear the opinions of JMDLers on world events and breaking stories *before* I unfold my morning paper! However, as Jimmy said previously (more or less), if what you want is straight Joni info, cappuccino style--i.e., brief, intense, and unencumbered by much of anything else anything else-- then the "only-Joni" list is probably the option for you. Check the information you received when you joined this list about how to subscribe. And about adjusting to the "American personality": first, as others have said before me, be yourself! We'd like to get to know you just as you are. Second, as you'll soon discover if you stay here any length of time, this far from an American list. True, we Yanks may prevail in sheer numbers (Les???), but the JMDL has actively posting members from Canada, England, Argentina, New Zealand, various European countries, and the Philippines, to name just a few. In other, better words, "we've got stamps of many countries/we've got passport smiles. . ." Indeed, the diversity of this list is one of the things I've come to cherish most about it. And, believe it or not, that diversity even extends to *within* the American contingent! ;-) So pull up a chair, and keep posting. I look forward to hearing much more from you in the future. Mary P., Madison, WI, USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:12:26 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Painting video At 03:47 PM 6/20/00 GMT, "Joni Fan" wrote regarding "Painting With words and Music"... >I have a funny feeling there were problems with the DVD production standards Don't know where this "funny feeling" comes from but it's unfounded. The DVD is of excellent quality...razor-sharp video and 5.1 channel crisp and clean audio. A joy to watch. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:13:55 EDT From: "Sara *" Subject: Re: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni Hey Harper Lou~ Sorry that this is a little late, but I have been busy and trying to catch up on all the messages that I have not yet read - what a task! Well, yes at times I too get discouraged by today's youth. I am a part of this generation, and I cannot say that I am overly proud of that at times. But you have to remember, not every young person today is like the people on the Rolling Stone message board or like your drummer friend. I was disgusted to read about your friend and the German Shepherd. I just think that you have to remember to keep the faith. I'm 15, and I absolutely LOVE Joni and do not support Manson, or the like, in anyway. I'm an animal rights activist and vegetarian. I volunteer in my free time at a soup kitchen, and this summer I am hoping to volunteer at a summer camp for under privileged inner-city children. Yes, it may seem that young people like me are very scarce, but we do exist. You just have to know where to look, and that place is not at a Rolling Stone message board . . . it is right here at the jmdl! Always Keep the Faith Sara >From: Louis Lynch >Reply-To: Louis Lynch >To: "'joni@smoe.org'" >Subject: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:28 -0700 > >Sorry, but I'm feeling a lot of lost hope for this next generation right >now. > >I just had a talk with a young drummer friend of mine (24). He was telling >me some of the exploits of a certain party house he frequents -- "cute" >little stories about how enough Ecstasy can turn an 18-year-girl into an >animal who will do all the men in the place. How the best sex is when you >don't know the other person's name. How last weekend they were partying on >the rooftop, and they got the German Shepherd drunk for kicks -- the dog >lost his bearings and fell three stories to the pavement below. They >recorded the dog's anguished howling, and one of the rock musicians has >dubbed it as a "cool" background track on his current recording. > >There are more stories, I'm sure. But I made him stop. > >I guess, like the middle age man I now am, I showed utter contempt for it >all. He told me that I was being a hypocrite -- rock musicians need >decadence, and we did drugs and had sex and all that when we were his age. > >But, the big difference is that we still recognized some sense of human >value. Mick Jagger was still inviting someone to spend the night together >-- not drugging her to do it. > >I guess we were so busy with our sex, drugs and rock and roll, we forgot to >carry those value forward to our kids, eh? > >Could someone counter the rollingstone site with something hopeful? I'm >feeling a bit vamped out here. > >Harper Lou ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:14:50 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy Don Rowe wrote: >Judy herself mailed a list member (her e-mail was >forwarded to the jmdl), and put that nasty little >rumor to rest in some of the most stunningly beautiful >language and phrasing I've ever had the pleasure to >read. Judy Collins continues to admire Joni, and is >completely understanding of how business decisions and >timing kept her from performing -- though Joni had >originally asked that she be in the line-up. Don, thanks for clearing some of that up. So if I understand correctly, Judy could not perform because of scheduling issues? And there never was a falling out? I always thought it may have been a petty rumour (people like the thought of stars in cat fights, etc.), but it seemed odd that Judy was missing from the tribute line-up. I would love to read Judy's letter if someone still has that around. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:04:42 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston That was adorable!!! Joni, our light in shining armor. Peg > ----- > > Thjs was brilliantly funny! Thanks for sharing! > > (the Rev) Vince > > "James A. Murray" wrote: > > > This is classic! Just had to share. Appeared in the Seattle Weekly a > > couple months ago. > > > > http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:24:44 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: NJC Re: Painting video Loree wrote: > >I have a funny feeling there were problems with the DVD production >standards Scott wrote: >Don't know where this "funny feeling" comes from but it's unfounded. The >DVD is of excellent quality...razor-sharp video and 5.1 channel crisp and >clean audio. A joy to watch. For those of you who want to take a moment to read the amazon.com "Painting" reviews, some say the exact things that Scott says. Others say the exact opposite on the DVDs . . . which makes me wonder about the actual production of the DVDs. Peoples opinions can vary about about audio/video quality, but this is a huge difference! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:15:04 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Anne's healing Ashara, So what's this about the New England Labor Day Jonifest???!!! I'm a good hugger. Peg > -----, Anne, but I also want to say this is POSSIBLE!!! > Everyone on the list just needs to come to the {annual?} New > England Labor > Day Jonifest, and you will be able to hug each and every lister. > Ashara > www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:41:09 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex thank you for asking ,Boston Jim. the words fix and pump are narcotic terms in popular use since the early 6o's and like many other narcotic terms they come from non-narcotic world so it's always better - and i realy mean that it's better - to hear the song and think of noah fixing a pump in a very normal day-to-day use of the 2 words you know in the rain with his tools and unless we were talking about joni - i'd say who ever wrote that line was refering to nothing but life in a lane - but joni is so aware to every word and sees every meaning that's connecting it to many many areas in life - that i would be how should i say it properly - i would realy be a fool to think that joni didn't understand that the words she sings have a lots and lots of meanings all folded to one word. (that's why i'd like someday if anyone could tell me who's the man that tought her to love words if i recall the detication). if you go from one album to the next - you'll always find narcotic terms in joni's lyrics - and i don't mean "like you love cocaine" which is in the listenr's face - but to terms in the sense of c o d e s that are the a to z of the narcotic world. i'm sure you can think of some right now. our conversation is just the begining to an issue that with all respect to k.lee.opatra - has cuased too much damage to too many bodies and souls. i'm smoking menthol cigarets by the way and i don't let any sort of drug or alchohol reach any sense of mine. i believe in water. later then, nuriel >From: "James L. Leonard" >Reply-To: "James L. Leonard" >To: "Ada Wittenberger" , >Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:46:12 -0700 > >What is meant by this comment, in layperson's terms? > >"Boston Jim" > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ada Wittenberger > > > > i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 14:42:53 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: TNT Joni tribute <> That would be correct...all you need to do is send me a blank "MUSIC/AUDIO" CD and a stamped-self-addressed envelope, and I'll do the rest. Don't send the jewel case, it'll save it gettin' cracked and be cheaper to boot! <> Oh yeah...I forget about those people sometimes! ;~) <> Not to worry, I talked to JT, Cassandra, Shawn, etc. they said no sweat! Oops, gotta go, that pesky Ashley Judd is on line 2 - I've told her not to call me at work! Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 NP: Buffalo Tom, "my responsibility" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:45:59 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: the woman whose glam name must be wrong (NJC) I revisited <> for a little more Kathie Lee research. Typhoon Hot'lude is her glam name! And Regis' is Pyrite Dandypants! "Live with Pyrite and Typhoon!" Now that's a show I could watch... I also checked on a few of my favorite female performers, and some of their names are classics: Tina Turner --Multiplex Bangplanet Janis Joplin -- Ginchy Purplepants Bonnie Raitt -- Maribou Tackyfreak kd lang -- typhoon fairyspike Ella Fitzgerald -- Irridescent Shimmer'lude Now I really need to go do some work. Sincerely, Maribou Silvercake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:55:25 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Joni's loyal fan base Sara, I'm so delighted that you are a Joni fan at the age of 15. I'm 44 and would feel very sad if other generations missed out on Joni . . . great music is just great music. And her music touches things you just don't read in books! So Sara, I would encourage you to actually post a positive message about Joni in that rollingstone.com message board. You, and others like you, are the exact reason that this is so important to me. There are some wonderful articles and bio on Joni in the Rolling Stone web site. I'm concerned that someone not familar with Joni will get interested, and then see some of the bad postings on the message board. By the way, most of the messages on that board are very positive to Joni. Then the board got hijacked and chased all the good folks away. That is what the jerks wanted to do and they will succeed, unless we all take a moment to put in our good words. Joni has been famous for her loyal fan base. I saw an early rollingstone posting that said they were surprised there were so few messages, they expected at least 100. Personally, I'm wondering where are all her loyal fans are too! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's loyal fan base - --- Joni Fan wrote: Personally, I'm wondering > where are all her (Joni's) loyal > fans are too! > > Loree > We're digging out from under 352 new messages received yesterday from the jmdl ... though there is light at the end of the tunnel now that we've installed the new "Global Delete" feature and typed in "Kathy Lee"! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:17:56 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy >Here's the e-mail, posted by Boston Jim, that includes Judy's letter: THANK you so much for reposting the letter! Extremely beautiful piece. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:56:03 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Fwd: Re: joni and judy Reuben Bell" wrote: >I am certainly not wishing to add even more confusion to this, but I think >the idea of a "falling out" comes from statements that Joni has made. I >remember her remarks about getting ditched and missing Woodstock, and also >(maybe from the Dog Eat Dog era People interview??) being asked about >Judy's claim that they were friends in her autobiography, Joni said >something like "There have been closer friendships." I think that Joni >often comes across as dismissive of people with comments like this, when >you might get a different impression if you were actually hearing it in >person. Who knows how she actually said it? > >BTW: Both of Judy's books, Trust Your Heart, and Singing Lessons are >fantastic. Her novel, Shameless, is worth a look, too. > >Reuben > >>From: "Joni Fan" >>Don, thanks for clearing some of that up. So if I understand correctly, >>Judy could not perform because of scheduling issues? >> >>And there never was a falling out? I always thought it may have been a >>petty rumour (people like the thought of stars in cat fights, etc.), but >>it >>seemed odd that Judy was missing from the tribute line-up. >> >>I would love to read Judy's letter if someone still has that around. >> >>Loree >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:07:19 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy Loree wrote: >P.S. - What is the big falling out between Joni and Judy that I have heard of through the years?> hi loree, hope the pic comes through ok... if yer asking me, as I understand it, this 'falling out' is a myth and has never happened. >Sad not to see Judy at the Joni tribute.> this was discussed at length just two weeks ago... Judy was there... she even wrote this list herself to clear up any rumors like this... bottom line: all is well! :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Tunings (NJC) > This was posted by Brian Harred on the Eric Johnson list. I >am posting it here for the benefit of you all who are into "the >deeper meaning". Some of you scholl learned musicians >may like to comment on it's accuracy, etc. Excuse the >bandwidth for all of you who don't find this interesting. Hey Mikey, I find it very interesting but still don't understand a word of it. The author keeps indicating that it's so easy to figure out now and all and I was desperately trying to find the "decoder key" to get it. It reads too much like math to me and, unfortunately, the math module and probably the entire left hemisphere was left out when I received my brain! I would love for someone to translate it for me - maybe Howard Wright or someone else here can do it. I really need to find a copy of "Music Theory for Dummies". Help! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:29:34 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy >Loree wrote: > >P.S. - What is the big falling out between Joni >and Judy that I have heard of through the >years?> > >hi loree, > hope the pic comes through ok... if yer asking >me, as I understand it, this 'falling out' is a >myth and has never happened. I suspected that too, until Judy was not at the tribute. > > >Sad not to see Judy at the Joni tribute.> > > this was discussed at length just two weeks >ago... Judy was there... she even wrote this >list herself to clear up any rumors like this... >bottom line: all is well! :o) > Now if I only had been a member two weeks ago! Having just signed up a day or so ago . . . I missed out on all that. I'm delighted that is "all is well." Oh well, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:44:45 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy loree wrote: >Now if I only had been a member two weeks ago! Having just signed up a day or so ago . . . I missed out on all that.> loree, well in that case allow me to extend my welcome to the gang... (around 600 of us!) :o) this is really not a problem... you can go here and read back as far as you want. http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:53:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and judy (and the JMDL archives) (NJC) In a message dated 6/20/00 4:37:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: << Now if I only had been a member two weeks ago! Having just signed up a day or so ago . . . I missed out on all that. >> Lori, just to let you know that you can still read all of the posts about Judy and Joni by going to the JMDL archives at: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ A lot of newbies don't know they exist, but I check them out every now and then just to find out what we were discussing this time last year or the year before. It's quite a hoot sometimes :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:56:55 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) Susan wrote: > I was also at this show! I believe the show lasted about 7 or 8 songs. But I also > remember Joni coming back on stage and talking to the few of us who were left > wading in front of the stage. > What did she talk about?? We were seated in the third row during the show, and I remember the water was way above our ankles. The woman seated to my right had come in with straight hair and by the 7th or 8th song, looked like she had just gotten a perm. There was so much ELECTRICITY in the air. I remember the stage crew covering up the Amps and turning off the power........... But, What a night! Regardless how short the show, we were there and saw and heard Joni and Jaco live together!!! Mary wrote: > Maybe we could design T-shirts to wear for the next Joni tour, proudly > proclaiming, "I survived Alpine in '79." Any designers out there? ;-) > I have a friend in the t-shirt factory biz :~) Bob wrote: > Well, fwiw I've got a recording of the show...you can hear the booming thunder mixed in with > Jaco's solo... > I've got it on CD if any of you attendees are interested, maybe it'll bring back a FLOOD of > memories! ;~D > I Can't Believe you have this on CD!!! On second thought, what don't you have??? I have to echo Brian and all and say THANKS for all that you do!!! jody As a side note: * Go Sox* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:58:49 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: NJC Re: joni and judy Pat wrote: > well in that case allow me to extend my welcome >to the gang... (around 600 of us!) :o) > > this is really not a problem... you can go here >and read back as far as you want. > >http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ Thank you, it was a little intimidating at first . . . but like a good party, I figured I would just jump in. I'll check out the archives from about two weeks ago . . . I'd better grab some coffee! Loree NP: Cactus Tree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:32:31 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Check it out on jmdl.com (NJC) Martin wrote: "I've been off the list for about seven weeks, missing my daily fix of Jonichat. I missed all the Joni concerts and reviews, and all the chat about the New Orleans, :-( ..... but I'm back now! :-)" Hi you can check out all the reviews comments blitherings and other nonsense with 8 x 10 pictures with circles and arrows and all kinda crazy things at www.jmdl.com/jonifests Also I would like to sign up for one of the UK CD's and please tellus how much that is in REAL (lol) money. Yippie new list music! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:13:17 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Kathie Circle Bob wrote: "Look! Now you're doing it! Kathie Lee and Hejeira in the same sentence. Maybe we all need some time for this horrific news to settle before we can find the strength to go on..." Hey come on now children chill out. Remember what le grande dame sez on MOA, "the more out of tune voices the better". And if a million Kathie Lee folks buy the record, Joan will laugh all the way to the bank. Ah publishing is a wonderful thing! ON another note I worked for Regis and Kathie through Buena Vista for several years here in New Orleans when they would do the show live from the NATPE convention. She seemed nice to her inner circle of folks, but I didn't find her to friendly, but then again it could have been all MY fault (maybe I wan't accessible enough). Regis was an ok sort, but all seemed pretty full of his ownself. Oh well I'm done now. Michael NP-Your're My Thrill-AT the Greek (Thank you MaxiLady!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:57:21 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Jack goes to Chicago (NJC) Hello gang- JUst got back from lunch with my pal Jack who was our driver for JoniFest New Orleans. He is leaving tomorrow with all of his worldly possesions loaded in a truck headed towards the Windy City. Jack is an excellent singer/songwriter and is looking to hook up with some folks up there and get connected into the msuci scene. He was telling me about an experience he had checking out a place while he was up there. He said it was advertized like a singer/songwriter night, but he said it was a very uncomfortable wierd scene. (We actually laughed alot about some of the stuff that he told me that went on there, kinda of a biker bar with an out of tune piano and out of tune dysfuncional people. It was really funny) Anyway I wa hoping that maybe some of you who live in the area might send me your email addresses and phone numbers for him to hook up with you after he gets settled. BTW anyone from the fest that wnats to write him can do so at decaffno@aol.com . Thanks so much and I hope you damn yankees appreciate the wonderful brother that we are giving up to you up there in DA-Bears country. ;-} Michael NP-Long Life-Lyle Mays Solo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:03:10 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI / JACO < Michael Brecker talks about how coked out their JM tour was: "It was just a symptom of the times-- everybody was doing cocaine then." (See 88-92) Jaco was such a phenomenal musician (the most creative & extraordinary musician that Joni has worked with?)... and this is appalling tragedy, the way in which he fell apart... ending up on the streets, and finally killed. "...plenty of lines, but nothing to say..."> Bruce, The Milkowski book is a good read, and offers an insightful glimpse into that coke infused period. I was a full time working musician then, and a part of that scene. In retrospect it seems sad that much of the euphoria over the great music produced was somewhat tainted and artificial due to recreational pharmaceuticals. In their "Jaco Tribute" issue just after his death, "Musician Magazine" published a piece by Joni, a full page article, in which she demonstrates obvious inside knowledge of the vagaries of substance abuse. Her comments about the way cocaine blocks intimacy and creates a barrier to true emotions really ring true to those of us who've been there, and seen lives devastated by out-of-control partying. Joni observed that Jaco's manic depressive personality, when combined with coke use, produced disastrous ultra highs and lows. I didn't realize that Joni was getting high too until years later, but it should have been obvious given her insights. Thank God she didn't move on to heroin, which takes users on a much faster track to ruin. Given the fact that they were doing so much blow on that tour, it seems even more amazing that they were able to produce the masterpiece Shadows and Light, especially Brecker and Jaco's fantastic version of "Dry Cleaner". THX Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:10:57 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: pan am In a message dated 6/20/00 11:18:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << (P.S. To Kakki's friend who was unnerved by the name change from Pan Am to MetLife ... a lot of people still call it the Pan Am building, out of habit.) >> ok, ok. she can keep the damned can of raid...she's gonna need it at ashara's, where the mosquitoes look like bomber jet planes riding shotgun in the sky...oh the buzzing and the sting. love and peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:41:50 -0400 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: FW: pan am - ---------- From: mbirdny@earthlink.net[SMTP:mbirdny@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:11 AM To: wrodgers@blast.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: pan am I may talk commodities and sales under the Pan Am roof, but I live in nothing close to Harry's House.... I'd say it's closer to a tenement castle, with two grey rooms, where I spend my days dodging the light like Blanche DuBois. I have a coffee percolator but no dishwasher, or figure skater ... Nickel Chief (P.S. To Kakki's friend who was unnerved by the name change from Pan Am to MetLife ... a lot of people still call it the Pan Am building, out of habit.) hmmm... no chelsea mornings huh? - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:14:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Kids these days From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:49:26 -0700 Harper Lou "Sorry, but I'm feeling a lot of lost hope for this next generation right now... Could someone counter the rollingstone site with something hopeful? " Your drummer friend is not the norm. He is a VERY sick individual who could be prosecuted for what he is doing to young girls (sounds like date rape to me) and animals. However, he is no more the norm than Charles Manson was the norm for the children of the 60's. Here is the hopeful part (I hope)---I know many young kids & have a lot of hope for the next generation. The kids I know are not like the creep you mentioned (I am sorry if he is your friend- I have no tolerance for the stuff he is into). They are for the most part very kind, spiritual, peace loving kids. A little more street wise than I was, they grow up faster these days it seems. Here is the who is to blaim part---What I do see as the norm however is a higher tolerance (not acts)of violence. I attribute this to a generation that has been exposed to a lot of graphic violence portrayed in the media. I blaim the probably mostly middle aged people who use violence as a form of entertainment for profit. (And thank you record company executives who are promoting that guy Eminem or whatever is name is). Sorry, I have REALLY strong feelings about all of this but I don't want to start another war of the words. Just in case as Hell would say its all IMO. (putting away the soapbox now and ducking) Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #344 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?