From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #332 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, June 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 332 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: OT: your glam name (NJC) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Lawyers, Loan Sharks...and Insurance Executives [Ken Corral ] Shut up...(NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Something to check out (NJC) [Patti Haskins ] VG-8 [Michael Paz ] Re: Lower Levels of Hell (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Feddie ["Kate Bennett" ] VG-8 NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Elevation is the KEY! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #248 ["Michael Bird" ] Apology NJC [Gary Zack ] Re: Joni in Maclean's [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: Lower Levels of Hell (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] I know where it is... [Michael Paz ] RE: NJC -- Dr. Laura ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Steve and Joni [Howard Motyl ] Re: Steve and Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Just Ice ["william" ] [none] ["william" ] More Metheny -- what the hell is jazz? (njc?) [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:11:24 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: your glam name (NJC) In a message dated 6/9/00 3:43:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << get your partae name here: -jan (AKA 'Ginchy Featherpants') http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl >> My goodness; I am Pyrite Fairypowder! How did they do that???? No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:35:15 -0700 From: Ken Corral Subject: Lawyers, Loan Sharks...and Insurance Executives I have a truly WACKY bit of info to pass along. This was heard on Los Angeles Radio station KFI 640 this afternoon. The Set up: The Phil Hendry Show is a local call in program that features fictitious guest “experts” making wildly outrages claims. Most thinking people would immediately recognize and dismiss these claims but apparently not everybody. Callers that make it on universally appear not to be in on the joke. So...today’s show featured guest expert “Margaret Bray” billed as a syndicated columnist who made the claim that 30-35% of women walking the streets of America were actually men in drag. He cited all kinds of statistics and invoked several authorities who sounded almost plausible. He began to name names. The very first name he named was “Joni Mitchell.” He provided details. He said Joni Mitchell is actually a very successful Insurance Executive named Dave Mitchell who lives in Toronto Canada. “Dave writes songs and performs as Joni Mitchell”, he said. He listed a couple more examples: Courtney Love is really a guy named Bert Ward who got tired of what he was doing and started a rock band. Bert and Kurt used a surrogate to have their child. By this time they began to take calls and as you can imagine, callers were in various stages of outrage. They protested, they argued, they sputtered...and yada, yada, yada. You may question the sport of making fun, but the claims are SO obviously untrue that the show functions as more of a comment on call-in shows. Anyway, other examples cited by Margret Bray were: Jerry Hall-no details Sigourney Weaver-A construction contractor named Bill Powers. and Linda Tripp-A gentleman named Leo Pinkerton, a U.S. Treasury Department employee. Over and Out... Ken C- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:37:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell's glam name? (SJC) Ginchy Silverdangle! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:33:42 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Poke you in the nose(NJC) Marcel wrote: "James, I must forwarn you that if you dont calibrate the Rhinedexter on the Tonal Flange Specimator of the VG-8's envelope filter you can actually warp the neck of your guitar with the VG-8. This is a serious problem with such mechanisms. In addition to that players have noticed a sort of deterioration in their hand coordination from use of the VG-8. It seems that all the ability that used to exist in the entire hand becomes condensed totally into the tip of only one finger. In New Orleans we all thought Mike just kept pointing at everyone in defiance but later we found out from his therapist that this was a long term effect of using his VG-8 all the time. This has in turn affected his keyboards. He can still do "Chopsticks" on the piano because it only requires one finger on each hand but those long complex piano solos dont happen any longer for him. Mike is despeate to get a VG-15 which allows you to play Rachmaninoffs 9th on the piano with just the two fingers.regards. marcel. " I'd poke you in the nose, but both of my fingers are busy right now. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:40:49 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Shut up...(NJC) Don Rowe wrote: "> Perhaps Mr. Metheny could benefit from a listen to Frank Zappa's epic instrumental project, aptly titled: "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar"" Hey Don I REALLY like this one! Well said! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:59:48 -0500 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Re: Something to check out (NJC) Hi Jasons and all others, I came home today and said almost the same exact thing to my husband about the Salon article. Gave me new respect for Courtney. My husband and I have both worked in the record biz. He also had a dance with the proverbial major label interest with his band. We're both pretty jaded about the biz. Courtney pretty much sums it up. So did Prince. Plantation indeed. Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:53:19 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: VG-8 James Phillips wrote: "I'm going to come off really ignorant here but can someone define what a "guitar orchestra" is that Joni is credited as playing on Harlem in Havana and Lead Baloon on Taming the Tiger? I would appreciate any insight as to this question." James- The patch is one that is standard in the VG-8 out of the box and it is called Crystal. It is a beautiful synth like sound. The VG-8 is a guitar modeler designed to emulate guitar sounds and amp sounds + effects. As lagniappe it had the tunings function that allows the guitar to think it's strings are detuned + or - up to 24 semitones. Best Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:09:06 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Lower Levels of Hell (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: > Bishop Lavieri condemns > > >Richard Harris (McArthurs Park will do that to a guy) > > to a lower level of hell, but charitably adds: > > >I await the corrections on this. > > Reluctant as I am to disagree with the worthy Bishop, let me just > say that, for a teeneager falling in and out of love in LA in 1968, > "A Tramp Shining" and S & G's "Bookends" *were* the soundtracks of > my life. I'll always treasure Harris for that. > > Awaiting the thunderbolt... :) > The only thunderbolts are from Paul, who as Pope Paul VI way outranks me! (the Rev) Vince I quite agree on Bookends as a hallmark of one's life... and this was for fun, not to be so damned serious... and in Chicago in 68, we weren't falling in love, we were just trying to say away from the cops... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:58:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Feddie RandyRemote asked, Okay, so who is Feddie? oops, Feddie is Freddie (Fred Walecki of VG-8 fame). Here is the whole article http://www.rolandus.com/USERS/RUG/ARCHIVE/WIN_96/FEAT14_2/JONI1.HTM it also mentions Daniel Lanois Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:59:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: VG-8 NJC Has anyone tried using the VG-8 with an acoustic guitar (I know its not recommeded & I can see why- you'd hear both tunings. Just wondering... Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:27:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Elevation is the KEY! (NJC) Kate wrote: "What I was attempting to convey was that although I understand and agree with Metheny's objection to what Kenny G did, he did not win me over with his personality or his way with words. But my main point was perhaps I was disappointed in his attitude because his music is so elevating." Kate this was extremely well put and I appreciate you writing it. Michael NP-Where Does the Time Go-Fordham (first time I am listening to this cd-Thanks jmdl for the heads up and thanks to Kev as always) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:25:55 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #248 Marcel writes, in response to Roberto's interesting Sondheim analysis ... >I know of no songwriter who rhymes less than Joni Mitchell. What is an "internal" rhyme. << They also tend to conceptualize their music horizontally rather than vertically. >> >What does this mean ?? I might attempt to answer Marcel's questions: an internal rhyme is a rhyme not falling at the end of a line; meaning, referring to a rhyming word within a line. Example of a regular rhyme, from "Good Friends": I have to come and see you/maybe once or twice a *year*/I think nothing would suit me better/than some downtown *atmosphere* ... Examples of internal rhyme, from "DJRD": Reckless this *time* on the *line* for yes, yes yes . . . it was *plane* to *train* my twin . . . Horizontal conceptualization vs. vertical is a more abstract thing ... the songs are not meant to blow you out of the water with blunt power, but they develop and blossom with a more patient, subtle narrative ... they are stories well told, with a narrative musicality to match, rather than the typical verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus structure behind the ordinary song structure ... Any experts out there want to repudiate this amateur's less-than-erudite answer? Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:42:49 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Apology NJC Sorry to all who received my message to Cassy. Being new to the list, I tend to make stupid mistakes. Please accept my apology. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:55:23 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Maclean's In a message dated 6/14/00 6:31:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca writes: << Arrived home yesterday to find the June 19 edition of Maclean's ("Canada's weekly newsmagazine")... and voila - a story on Joni's art show in Saskatoon! >> Thanks, Catherine for this...seems we may end up being half a million strong at this rate. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:50:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Lower Levels of Hell (NJC) Rev Vince wrote: >and this was for fun, not to be so damned serious... Exactly, and my reply was in the same spirit. But it seems (IMO) that from now on (IMO) I need to preface and append everything I say with IMO, otherwise everyone will take my posts as being fact (IMO) rather than my opinion (IMO). Why does everything have to be taken so damn literally all of a sudden? It's making me seriously consider whether I actually want to stay here. And I STILL don't like New Kids On The Block. So there. Helen (better not use Hell, someone might take it the wrong way, God forbid!) _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:09:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: I know where it is... Catherine wrote: "Here's an interesting paragraph. Who is this mysterious New Oreanian, I wonder... ;) It's gotta be Paz. I hope you've figured out where S'toon is by now!" I know where it is...I just don't know if I can afford to get there in time for the opening. So many of you are going and it just sounds like it is going to be an event not to be missed. Michael in New Orleans (still trying to get there NP-Jericho-Tara MacLean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:16:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC -- Dr. Laura al date! you are a naughty boy! now go burn 100 oxen at the altar lest god take offense! wallyk > Dear Dr. Laura, > > Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding > God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try > to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:48:34 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Steve and Joni > > > I know of no songwriter who rhymes less than Joni Mitchell. What is an > "internal" rhyme. > marcel > > ------------------------------ Internal rhyme happens when the word at the end of the line rhymes with a word earlier in the line, usually in the middle of the sentence. Like "She buttoned her blouse as she whispered 'You louse' There is another term "slant rhymes"--this is when the words almost rhyme but really just sound alike; like shoe and show, bike and bake. I think Joni uses a lot Does Joni really not rhyme that much? When I read this, I started going through songs in my head to see if it is true. Same Situation rhymes, Court and Spark--rhymes, Coyote, rhymes, Song for Sharon, rhymes; BYT--rhymes (some slant rhymes in this one--screendoor slam, my old man), Good Friends, rhymes; Blue--rhymes; River, rhymes; Chinese Cafe, Be Cool, Rainy Night House all rhyme. I have to ask this question: When doesn't she rhyme? And if she doesn't, is that the exception to the rule? Maybe her rhymes are more subtle than other songwriters. She certainly doesn't rhyme on every line. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:00:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve and Joni In a message dated 6/15/00 12:56:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << There is another term "slant rhymes"--this is when the words almost rhyme but really just sound alike; like shoe and show, bike and bake. I think Joni uses a lot >> or possibly Rhine wine and clandestine, which is really pronounced clan-DES-tin. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:55:48 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Just Ice Would anyone like to talk about "Just Ice"? Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:27:45 +0700 From: "william" Subject: [none] Sitting here tapping to you all and listening to For the Roses. Almost a tear in my eye with the beauty of it. Hejira? Forget it. Then I listen to Hejira and think forget FTR. So-o-o-o beautiful! The gift goes on. Spread Joni's light like blazes! You gotta try. If you're tired of the silent EmptyV you gotta yell it. Broken trees and elephant ivories. Awesomely beautiful. Willy the Shake in Indonesia but as the Buddha said, one doesn't have to leave one's back yard to achieve enlightenment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:37:44 -0600 From: evian Subject: More Metheny -- what the hell is jazz? (njc?) Harper Lou hit the nail on the head again with: > Kenny G could just as well say that Pat Metheny isn't real jazz. Would he > be any less right? > Exactly, my friend! It's just low of Metheny to stoop to this Kenny G. bashing. It makes me squirm just like when Joni rants against Alanis or Sheryl Crow or whoever, and pisses me off. For God's sake, it just reeks of snobbery -- I mean, you hate Kenny G., then don't listen to him. You hate the Backstreet Boys, turn off the radio. I think of it as this (not using Metheny or Kenny G. because I really don't give a rat's ass for either) as, say, hmmmm.... Joan Baez saying back in the day that this new Joni Mitchell chick can't be called folk because she's not singing protest songs (yeah yeah, I know, Joni isn't folk, but go with me on this one). Or, say, Metheny said that this Joni is some dumbass who no way in hell could ever be jazzy, or Billie Holliday rose from the grave and did an interview and said "who does this Joni Mitchell think she is singing these songs on BSN?" Or A Flock of Seagulls burned copies of DED in protest to Joni "cashing in on their sound." Y'all know we'd be all screaming bloody murder and saying how misinformed they are and how they missed the point. So, I suppose my point is, it's bad taste to trash other artists, and musical snobbery really annoys the hell out of me. Happy Thursday, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:23:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: rhyming/newly found ancestors njc reading what howie the handsome lad has said, i just remembered that british poet wilfred owen used a kind of rhyme known as consonantal rhyme or pararhyme, which pairs words such as friend/frowned and killed/cold because it is the consonants that "rhyme" although the wowel sounds don't. now what i would like to know is what you call the particular kind of rhyme that pairs words such as love/move or kind/wind [when wind means moving air]. i've been trying to remember FOR AGES. wallyk, working on my family tree. i've just discovered that i descend from one john painter, from berkshire, england. are you shrieking? [married mary gesso on july 6, 1679]. now i know why i can speak english: it's genetic!!!! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Howard Motyl" Para: Enviado: Jueves 15 de Junio de 2000 01:48 Asunto: Re: Steve and Joni > > > > > > I know of no songwriter who rhymes less than Joni Mitchell. What is an > > "internal" rhyme. > > marcel > > > > ------------------------------ > > Internal rhyme happens when the word at the end of the line rhymes with a word earlier in the line, usually in the middle of the sentence. > > Like "She buttoned her blouse as she whispered 'You louse' > > There is another term "slant rhymes"--this is when the words almost rhyme but really just sound alike; like shoe and show, bike and bake. I think Joni uses a lot > > Does Joni really not rhyme that much? When I read this, I started going through songs in my head to see if it is true. Same Situation rhymes, Court and Spark--rhymes, Coyote, rhymes, Song for Sharon, rhymes; BYT--rhymes (some slant rhymes in this one--screendoor slam, my old man), Good Friends, rhymes; Blue--rhymes; River, rhymes; Chinese Cafe, Be Cool, Rainy Night House all rhyme. > > I have to ask this question: When doesn't she rhyme? And if she doesn't, is that the exception to the rule? Maybe her rhymes are more subtle than other songwriters. She certainly doesn't rhyme on every line. > > Howard M > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:30:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: William Shatner njc did you all know that william shatner is known as william shat in the music circles? wallyk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #332 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?