From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #331 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 331 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Something to check out (NJC) [Jason Long ] William Shatner Sings........ [Louis Lynch ] An assignment ["Pitassi, Mary" ] want to get off this list. [Lrhva@aol.com] Brian Blade's Fellowship (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Metheny NJC ["Peg Eves" ] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings Joni NJC ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: Joni and Steve [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Metheny/G & Aimee Mann ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni and Steve (md2) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC -- Dr. Laura [Al Date ] Re: Only One video w/ Joni ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: W.S. Sings or "Slouching Towards Badtaste" ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni and Steve (md2) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC -- Dr. Laura [Don Rowe ] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings........njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: William Shatner Sings Joni NJC ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: William Shatner Sings........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: William Shatner sings Joni (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: William Shatner Sings (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: William Shatner sings Joni (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: William Shatner Sings..... [Christopher Otterbeck ] Re: W.S. Sings or "Slouching Towards Badtaste" [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: NJC -- Dr. Laura [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: boy groups NJC - girl groups, who's checking? [MGVal@aol.com] Re: [peves@marlboro.edu] Whoooohoooooo!!! (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: An assignment NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? ["Michael Paz" ] Re: In her own words [RandyRemote ] Re: Metheny/G & Aimee Mann [Catherine ] Re: Dogs that hunt...... [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:13:48 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Something to check out (NJC) Hey everyone, While I don't think that there are many fans of Courtney Love or her work on this list, I really would like to encourage everyone to read the transcript of the speech she gave at the Digital Hollywood conference last month. I know almost all of us here are not just fans of Joni's work, but passionate music fans in general, and as such, you should check out Courtney's speech. She makes a lot of excellent points about Napster, MP3s, online music distribution and the major label system. She clearly knows her stuff and she offers a lot of insight and thoughtful opinions, backing them up with hard facts; she's done her homework. This may just be the best thing I've read about the music industry in quite some time, apart from maybe the article Steve Albini wrote a few years ago about how poorly off most artists or bands end up as a result of the record deals they sign with the majors. I know we've been discussing a lot of these issues lately, and I think Courtney's speech does tie in rather well. If you'd like to read it, you can find it online at http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html>. I strongly encourage everyone to check it out. Cheers, Jase NP: Jules Shear, _Allow Me_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:17:31 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: William Shatner Sings........ Oh my oh my oh my oh my, Now I am certain that Armageddon is upon us. And it's a damned good thing that Reverend Vince outlined the table seating arrangements in hell and heaven. Just in the nick of time, too, Vince. OK, I waxed aggressively about Pat Metheny cutting down Kenny G, and how vitriolic I thought his criticisms were. Well, somebody on this list needs to send Pat Metheny the copy of William Shatner singing Both Sides Now!!!! Kenny G won't seem half so bad in comparison. You know, everyone, there have been times that this performer has hesitated to sing a Joni song, even with the novelty of the harp to make up for any vocal shortcomings. I'm a tenor, and I fall horribly short of Joni's beautiful pitch and picture perfect voice. I've shied away from the really lovely songs because I just didn't think I did it justice! Well, if William Shatner can sing Joni Mitchell that badly, and record it to boot, the hell with it, I'm going for Banquet, Both Sides Now, Dreamland, Help Me, River AND Real Good for Free!!! Plus, I think I'll teach my dog Big Yellow Taxi and Ethiopia as well. Thank you Ken, for giving me musical hope just before the apocalypse! And, Pat Metheny, say whatever you like. I was wrong! It's OK for you to criticize anyone you want publicly, as long as you start with William Shatner!!!!! Ouch! It hurts! Turn it off! Still adaze, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:57:20 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: An assignment The article on Joni's Saskatoon exhibit, which Catherine kindly posted, ends with the following: "Mitchell, who has only sporadically exhibited her paintings, agreed to the forthcoming show in large part because it was in Saskatoon, a city she continues to view fondly. "She'll talk about her favourite pool halls and which ones had the best jukeboxes so that she could dance," marvels Hebert." OK, kids! Who among the Saskatoon-goers wants to take on the assignment of scouting out those pool halls? ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:29:25 EDT From: Lrhva@aol.com Subject: want to get off this list. Hi, would you please remove my name? I was only interested in hearing about any concerts. Thank you. Laura Howell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Brian Blade's Fellowship (NJC) Last night, on the jazz radio station that I listen to, the DJ played a song from Brian's new album. She then mentioned that there were nine players in this Fellowship. Being the consummate Tolkien fan that I am, my mind immediately thought of the nine members of the Fellowship of the Ring. So, I was wondering if Tolkien was the concept for the naming of his band, or just a coincidence. If it was, I wonder if Joni and Brian ever made the connection and discussed Tolkien, or if Joni is still, at all, interested in the author. On a personal note, I've always imagined that if I ever met Joni (not that I desire to), I would recite the lines of Gimli the Dwarf upon first meeting the Lady Galadriel, and request but a single lock of her hair, just to see if she recognized the scene. My guess is she would either laugh in recognition and comply, ...or have her flunkies escort me from her presence. gdave ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 15:04:28 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ <> This is indeed the upside to listening to Volume 4, "The Power of Cheese"...after I finished dubbing The Tokens, Anne Murray, Billy Squier, and Robert Goulet, I finalized the disc and then "previewed" it to hear how it sounded, check the levels, etc. My first thought was "My God, nobody should be timid about singing at a Jonifest after hearing this!" :~) Billy Squier basically just kind of makes up words for River, I don't think he even sings one line as it's written...and that nasally whine on top of it! Courtney Love (who I actually don't mind so much) just shrieks "BSN" while a buzzsaw guitar drones on a two-chord pattern. Leonard Nimoy joins his Enterprise deckmate with a BSN butcher of his own... Mabel Mercer also tortures BSN, sounding like Mrs. Miller (anybody remember her?). Anyway, I could go on...these are the worst imo, this one will make you appreciate EVERYTHING Joni has done. Paul, you'll be racing to DED for relief! ;~) I'll be making the official tree announcement on Vols. 3/4/5 in a couple of days.... Bob NP: Blur, "Tracy Jacks" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:00:23 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Metheny NJC Hi Kate, And thank you for going over it again. I need all the help I can get! I know what you're saying. Fair enough. I hear ya' Still trying to get my clicks over to hear your CD.!! Thanks again for hearing me > ---- > Peg, I appreciate you taking the time to make your point. I > understand what > you are saying > > In my opinion, Pat slammed > himself more that he did Kenny G. > > Then again, I could be wrong ;] , Kate Bennett Peg replies: No, you have a point and I don't completely disagree with your thinking .> I'm done with this one. I talk to much anyway. Thanks again> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:33:44 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ In a message dated 6/14/00 3:19:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Mabel Mercer also tortures BSN, sounding like Mrs. Miller (anybody remember her?). >> Bob, I once read that Joni's favorite cover of BSN is the Mabel Mercer version. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:45:29 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings Joni NJC I'm afraid I can't help you there as I don't have a cd-burner though there are other ways of burning it I might recommend. And putting NJC on my post was no accident. I usually forget, I'm ashamed to admit, but in this case it was just too obvious. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < singing a Joni tune. >> > > Wow! Great Detective work Ken! Can somebody download this to a CD so I can throw it on a "C&C" Volume? > > Sadly (or happily depending on your POV), Volume 4 "The Power of Cheese" is closed out... > > Bob > > NP: Blues Traveler, "Freedom" > > PS: I love how a Shatner cover of Joni is marked NJC! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:49:45 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Steve In a message dated 6/14/00 9:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Both Steve and Joni are adept at intricate rhyming, and are experts at internal rhymes. >> I know of no songwriter who rhymes less than Joni Mitchell. What is an "internal" rhyme. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:41:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Metheny/G & Aimee Mann Catherine wrote: >I'm just delirously grateful that she continues to paint and >perform and write music in spite of it all. I'm not trying to >judge her--I'd probably mouth off in worse ways if it were >me. But I think she has a body of work that condemns the >current radio mediocrity far louder than any quote she might >give a journalist, and that's where my feeling that she ought >to be "above" taking potshots comes from. Just my >personal reaction. And mine, too. When I read harsh, trashing remarks (vs. *constructive* criticism) in the press coming from anyone who has risen to the top of their chosen field, it gives me this uneasy image of a straight A, teenage student taunting and publically humiliating someone with a learning disability, or a star athelete bullying someone with a physical disability. Those gifted ones who have acheived so much should not stoop to publically trashing those who may not have been as blessed with talent or achieved as much as they have. What is the point? To "purify" the arts and eliminate those who one arbitrarily decides is not worthy enough to belong to the "club"? To hound those who are not as great out of the business? Is that really such a noble cause? Why not live and let live? If people are upset that these "not as worthy" artists are making more money, receiving more accolades, etc., than they are, the "fault" lies more with the machinery of the music biz. Those who take on the music biz, like Joni, *are* noble and courageous, IMHO, but publically singling out a few individuals by name to call on the carpet seems more arrogant and petty than honest to me. It's bullying and not necessary. Take on the system, but don't beat up on individuals. I don't cringe at their remarks because I feel they shouldn't express their honest, forthright opinions. But some of their remarks in public, the press, etc. have been so scathing, that I worry about a backlash, or even worse, a lawsuit for them. It's probably wiser to let loose with a rant privately among friends that putting it out for all the world to hear. Like Louis said here the other day "it's only music!" Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:51:21 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Steve (md2) In a message dated 6/14/00 9:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << They also tend to conceptualize their music horizontally rather than vertically. >> What does this mean ?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:55:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ In a message dated 6/14/00 3:19:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I'll be making the official tree announcement on Vols. 3/4/5 in a couple of days.... >> Bob, I was just notified that I was high bidder for Tim Curry's cover of "All I Want". I don't think it will be cheese since he does such a great job of "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire". I should have the lp to you by next week. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Date Subject: NJC -- Dr. Laura Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness(Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10) it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:57:56 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Only One video w/ Joni Wonderful! At first, as I was watching it, I couldn't be sure. It sure didn't sound like Joni but it sure moved like Joni then I could hear Joni's voice and there was a much clearer shot of her. Great pick up! Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Nikki Johnson" > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:26:34 -0400 > > Hey My friend sent this link to me and I dunno if y'all have seen this > before but I figured I'd share she said well there's Don Henley w/ James > Taylor and I am pretty sure Joni Mitchell! LOL I said yup sure looks and > sounds like her to me:-) Scroll down toward the bottom and you'll see "James > Taylor Only One Video"...click on that. > http://eaglesfans.simplenet.com/fastlane/video/video.htm > > Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 16:02:03 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ <> Well, I know that, and I was really anxious to hear it for that very reason. She mentioned it specifically when we talked to her in Atlanta - it probably inspired her to do her re-do of it for BSN. But it does suck - you've gotta admit it, Stephen! It sounds like Angela Lansbury crossed with Rex Harrison crossed with my chain-smoking Aunt Ann...is she British? The accent sounds like an amateur production of an Agatha Christie play! Anyway, to each their own...and I think it sucks! LOL! Bob NP: BoDeans, "Going Home" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:08:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ In a message dated 6/14/00 3:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Mabel Mercer also tortures BSN, sounding like Mrs. Miller (anybody remember her?). >> YES! What was her big "hit"? "Paris in the Spring"?? Now THERE was a lady with a voice!!! ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:07:20 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: W.S. Sings or "Slouching Towards Badtaste" Very good point Louis. I may even give a stab at singing myself now, though whoever I sing for will not be allowed any sharp objects near by. Louis Lynch wrote: > Oh my oh my oh my oh my, > You know, everyone, there have been times that this performer has hesitated > to sing a Joni song, even with the novelty of the harp to make up for any > vocal shortcomings. I'm a tenor, and I fall horribly short of Joni's > beautiful pitch and picture perfect voice. I've shied away from the really > lovely songs because I just didn't think I did it justice! > > Well, if William Shatner can sing Joni Mitchell that badly, and record it to > boot, the hell with it, ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:09:23 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: boy groups NJC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------95A5B9E36CC1A7D07C697335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit helen wrote: Add The Spice Girls, Michael Bolton and New Kids On The Block (who started this whole "5 boys in one room - hey, we're a rock group!" thing). I write: Even before the Monkees, which were a fabricated musical group, there were pre-fabricated groups--aren't Frankie and the Teenagers an invented group? New Kids were hardly the first. 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In a message dated 6/14/00 4:02:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << But it does suck - you've gotta admit it, Stephen! >> Oh, I don't disagree with you! Now about this Aunt Ann of yours . . . Stephen NP Rosemary Clooney w/ John Pizzarelli "One Note Samba" ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 16:14:59 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ <> Rockin', Jimmy!! Dang, at the rate this stuff is coming in I'll have Volume SIX full in no time... Side note to John the Happy Dutchman - I'll be sending you 4/5 so you can Euro-Tree! You already should have V3. And here's a cool side note - Leslie is sending me a tape that Jim J gave her which is a collection of covers that Wally had! So even Wally is contributing - bless his heart! Anybody have his address in Heaven so I can send him his complimentary CD? :~D Bob NP: Earl Bostic, "8:45 Stomp" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:15:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ In a message dated 6/14/00 3:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Paul, you'll be racing to DED for relief! ;~) >> Maybe so, but don't you find it curious that Joni, who I think we can agree only performs the songs of hers she likes best, RARELY if ever performs anything from DED. Isn't that confirmation from the "goddess" herself that she thinks DED sucks, or at least that she has far less pride in that "child" than the rest of hers? My theory is that mediocre songs can be performed by mediocre singers, but it requires great singers to properly perform great songs. Therefore, while Shatner may have made cheese out of BSN, he could probably do an admirable (pun intended) job performing Ethopia, the Three Great Stimulants, and DED. By the way, it probably no surprise to you folks, but I have declared myself tacts-free. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:17:19 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Steve (md2) In a message dated 6/14/00 4:04:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 6/14/00 9:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << They also tend to conceptualize their music horizontally rather than vertically. >> What does this mean ?? >> They don't think well on their feet? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC -- Dr. Laura Dear Al, Thanks for your concern, and I'll do my best to see if I can't clear up these issues of cannon law for you: > When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, > I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. > 1:9). > The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is > not > pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? This is really pretty straightforward, and takes care of two of your questions. Since it's obvious, at least to me, that these are the same neighbors who work on the Sabbath, kill them. > I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it > suggests in Exodus 21:7. > In this day and age, what do you think would be a > fair price > for her? > That depends entirely on what her skills are as a Web designer are -- the modern digital equivalent of domestic tasks like weaving. If she's FrontPage capable only: 100 sheckels. If she's proficient in MacroMedia Dreamweaver: 10,000 pieces of silver. > I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman > while she > is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness(Lev. > 15:19-24). > The problem is, how do I tell? I > have tried asking, but most women take offense. > Abstinence -- it's the only way to be sure. > Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the > nations > that are around us. > A friend of mine claims that this applies to > Mexicans > but not Canadians. > Can you clarify? > Both are fair game ... but this has a bit more to do with NAFTA than Leviticus. > I have a neighbor who insists on working on the > Sabbath. > Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to > death. > Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? > See your first question ... > A friend of mine feels that even though eating > shellfish is > an abomination (Lev. 10:10) it is a lesser > abomination than > homosexuality. I don't agree. > Can you settle this? > Gotta go with your friend on this one -- eating shellfish is really just a metaphor for cunnilingus -- the abomination of which is described in the Sodom and Gamorrah sections of Genesis, and is the basis of avoiding women during their periods of menstrual uncleanliness. > Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar > of God > if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that > I wear > reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or > is > there some wiggle room here? > Sorry to tell you this, but you may need to hire an altar approacher when, and if you should need one. Hope this helps, and I wish you best of luck in leading a clean and correct life. Dr. Laura ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 16:23:32 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ <> Thanks to the OTHER Bob M., I remember a dreadful remake of "Downtown", she might have done "Paris", I just don't recall it... Bob NP: Earl Bostic, "Blue Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 16:23:38 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........njc <> Thanks to the OTHER Bob M., I remember a dreadful remake of "Downtown", she might have done "Paris", I just don't recall it... Bob NP: Earl Bostic, "Blue Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:28:06 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: William Shatner Sings Joni NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Wow! Great Detective work Ken! Can somebody download this to a > CD so I can throw it on a "C&C" Volume? I can try to do this later when I get home from work...I think I know how to do this...but I need the link again I lost it...lol Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:28:13 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Big Sur '68 Irish Philip wrote: >I think the guy might be John Phillips. If he was wearing a silly hat and >kaftan I'd be certain. Nope. Not even John in "normal" clothes. And I don't think I ever saw him without a beard in those days. >I wonder what they're singing. Me too! It looks like Joan is singing lead, and the others backing her up. Joni can't play along because she's in some weird tuning. What's that stuck in her belt? At first I thought - pack of Kleenex, but now I'm convinced it's a pack of cigarettes. >The girl is not Mimi. Whew! At least we agree on that! :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 16:29:58 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ <> I'm sure she wouldn't use that exact verbage, but I don't think she INTENDED for that project to stand with some of her other projects - I think alot of it was just some things she wanted to get out of her system. She did that and now doesn't feel the need to revisit those societal comment songs. I'd still love to hear her re-produce some of that material! Bob NP: Earl Bostic, "Harlem Nocturne" (one of the 'coolest' meoldies ever written!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:41:05 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: re: William Shatner sings Joni (njc) Bob said: I love how a Shatner cover of Joni is marked NJC! :~) Now, THIS requires a warning label. You can just see the engineers (all 25 of them) working whatever digital magic than can to make this only slightly more bearable than chalk on a blackboard. Talk about "fix it in the mix!" :-) What's weird is I found myself listening to the song in a different way - odd how someone with absolutely no musical talent whatsoever (please put your phasers down, I love the original Star Trek) still can't ruin the material. The only thing I can imagine that would be worse is Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner doing a duet of something from Mingus, oh, like Dry Cleaner from Desmoines (sp?). Scary thought, isn't it? lots of love (and LOL too) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ Tacts-free Paul writes: > Maybe so, but don't you find it curious that Joni, > who I think we can agree > only performs the songs of hers she likes best, > RARELY if ever performs > anything from DED. > Isn't that confirmation from the "goddess" herself > that she thinks DED sucks, > or at least that she has far less pride in that > "child" than the rest of hers? Well according to Joni, she only sings older songs of hers that she claims to "still identify with" -- rather than "like best." Up until recently, she wasn't performing huge whole-cloth sections of her catalog, with numerous numbers from STAS, LOTC, Blue - -- even FTR, until just recently -- absent entirely from her stage repetiore. So pardon the pun, but that argument is a dog that won't hunt. Unless, of course, you're prepared to accept the possiblity that Joni thinks about as much of her early material as she does the songs on DED ... nah, don't go there! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:50:56 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings (NJC) I know she did "Juanita Banana," but it's not on her CD at CD Now. Can anyone confirm? Was it only a regional (New England) hit? -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jun 14 17:10:10 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: re: William Shatner sings Joni (njc) <> Oh, you mean with COTTON in your ears? :~D <> I DO know what you mean...the Claudine Longet cover of BSN is a real conundrum, because her vocal is SO hilarious! Yet, the acoustic guitar playing behind her is really nice, matter of fact it supports the song with a riff I've never heard in another version! So I've looked at Claudine's version from both sides now, and learned how to tune out the vocal and listen to the accompaniment.. Good to hear from you again Anne - you've been too quiet! Bob NP: Boxing Gandhis, "speak as one" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Otterbeck Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings..... Mabel Mercer also tortures BSN, sounding like Mrs. Miller (anybody remember her?). Isn't Mrs Miller the one who did the awful rendition of Downtown???? Christopher NP Coyote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:57:30 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings..... Yes! Oh my Lord! I forgot all about Mrs. Miller. (wonder why?)Whoa. How did she happen anyway? Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:03:11 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Lower Levels of Hell/Nyro I hear ya'guy. Just keep on keepin' on - being who (what) you are. I'm new here too. And sensitive but I'm gettin' the hang of it and enjoying the personalities hereabouts. You will too. "Every stick has two ends" - and all that shit.And there is alot of non-Joni relevance here. Despite our quirks and flaws of communication we mean well. Look at why we are here! Stay. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:07:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC - Mrs. Miller CD Now has one Mrs. Miller CD with these songs listed: 01. The Girl From Ipanema DeMoraes/Gimbel 02. Let's Hang On Crewe/Linzer 03. My Love Hatch 04. Yellow Submarine Lennon/McCartney 05. Moon River Mancini/Mercer 06. I've Got A Tiger By The Tail Howard/Owens 07. Monday, Monday Phillips 08. Bill Bailey, Won't You Please Come Home? Cannon 09. A Groovy Kind Of Love Bayer 10. Memphis Berry 11. A Hard Day's Night Lennon/McCartney 12. The Shadow Of Your Smile Mandel 13. These Boots Are Made For Walkin' Hazlewood 14. There Goes My Everything Frazier 15. A Lover's Concerto Linzer/Randell 16. Second Hand Rose Clarke/Hanley 17. Catch A Falling Star Pockriss 18. Sweet Pea Roe 19. Queen Of The House (Previously Unreleased) Miller/Taylor 20. Downtown Hatch 21. Strangers In The Night Kaempfert/Singlet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:05:59 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:14:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ From: "Kakki" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:22:32 -0700 Bob wrote: > And here's a cool side note - Leslie is sending me a tape >that Jim J gave her which is a collection of covers that Wally >had! So even Wally is contributing - bless his heart! Anybody >have his address in Heaven so I can send him his >complimentary CD? :~D Wow, this is very cool and wonderful! It must be a treasure. Thanks to Leslie. And thank you Bob for the latest installment. ;-) I'm anxious with anticipation for the big wheel o' cheeze and have got a fresh bottle of Pepto-Bismol ready and waiting to accompany it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:13:07 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: W.S. Sings or "Slouching Towards Badtaste" Go girl! Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:16:58 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: NJC -- Dr. Laura RIGHT ON!! Thank you! Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:27:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: boy groups NJC - girl groups, who's checking? In a message dated 6/14/00 1:36:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << Add The Spice Girls, Michael Bolton and New Kids On The Block (who started this whole "5 boys in one room - hey, we're a rock group!" thing). >> Personally, I wouldn't add them to the levels of hell. Purgatory, maybe, but not hell. If you can move into their stuff with control over your gag reflex, both the Spice Girls and NKOB are nifty examples of following your dream. As corny as Geri Halliwell's autobiography is, it's a testament to wanting...."something" and doing your hardest to get it. MG ps it's hot here! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:24:58 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Hey! Thanks Guy. Yep. That's as far as we go on this one and it's okay 'cause we expressed what was true for us and even Hell, we even agreed on parts. It's good. I was feelin a bit lonesome on it. I admit. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:28:28 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Whoooohoooooo!!! (NJC) Neil Young's coming to Chastain Park on Aug 27! Whooohooooooo!!! Victor, drinking a glass of Ricard(pastis) which I found in New Orleans after thinking it wasn't available in this country... http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:42:08 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: An assignment NJC Mary with a capital P and that rhymes with T and that stands for Trouble... or is that capital T that rhymes with P and that stands for Pool? :-) The wonderful and kind Mary P. wrote: > > OK, kids! Who among the Saskatoon-goers wants to take on the assignment of > scouting out those pool halls? ;-) > Mary P. I have nothing to say at all worthwhile (as always, hah! beat you all to the punchline on that one!) but somehow I couldn't resist the Music Man reference... (the Rev) Vince, awaiting tonight's White Sox victory over the Tribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:30:36 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? Harper Lou- you are welcome!. At least we have the whole story as opposed to the paraphrasing that was going on. I'll tell you the longer this thread goes on the more distasteful it becomes. There are ALOT of inconsistancies in Metheny's approach to this matter and you bring up alot of good arguments and positions about the "What is jazz?" thing, as does my friends Mr. Lahm and Sire Pat, et al. BUT, sitting in judgement of someone elses work takes a hell of alot of balls. Criticizing someones work is one thing, but passing it off as nothing is quite another story. Does that mean that bizillionns of people that buy Kenny G. are slugs? He is not only offending Mr G., but the bizzillions of slugs that buy his records. Metheny's catalog is quite impressive on many levels and musically he crosses over into alot of genres including the non-swinging rock. I really love MOST of his work except for a few. His release called "Zero Tolerance for Silence" was totally unaccessible for me and my taste in music runs wide and deep. Is that release JAZZ because it was improvisational? I'm not sure, but I would fight to the death to defend Metheny's right as an artist to release and call it whatever he wants to call it. I wonder waht he will do next a "more popular than Jesus" speech, or start ripping up Celine, BSB, N'Sync, Britney next. (that was joke!!!). I don't think we have heard the last of this from many different sides and I wonder what is happening right now on the KGDL. Michael P.S. This Just In. I hear Kenny G. is going to do an overdub recording over a collection of Pat Metheny compositions. This brings new meaning to the term "killing them with kindness". (sorry I just couldn't resist) I also hear that Al Date is preparing an essay on this topic. Stay tuned jmdl! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis Lynch > Michael, > > Thanks for posting the entire Metheny spiel against Kenny G. > > After reading it again, I still find Metheny overly vitriolic. It's obvious > that he hates the man's approach toward music, creativity and life in > general. > David, Michael, help? Explain this! > > Kenny G changed a classic recording from a jazz great, Louis Armstrong. > But, "Wonderful World" doesn't sound like jazz to me -- it's a pop song, > pure and simple. Except for that little D-flat change, it has a very basic > chord structure. The song could be done country or turned into a polka -- > it's not that unusually difficult. > > Granted Kenny G's necrophilia might not be to everyone's taste, but, come > on, he has as much right to express his creativity as anyone else, no matter > how bad that creativity seems to some people. > > > Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:36:34 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Dr. Laura In a message dated 6/14/00 1:17:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, al_date@email.com writes: << When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. >> Ahh Al, thought provoking as usual. One thing that continually gets under my skin, (my skin! Me! The me who is pathologically easy going), are the people who are supposedly centered in Christ who say: "well, God loves you even though you are an abomination." Like Lucy, they'll have some 'splaining to do later on..... Shades of "Life of Brian" and following the poor guy because of his lost sandal. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:58:34 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: William Shatner Sings........ (VLJC) In a message dated 6/14/00 6:53:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << < But it does suck - you've gotta admit it, Stephen! >> > > Oh, I don't disagree with you! Now about this Aunt Ann of yours . . . > > Stephen > If that means what I think it means, that was really funny! If I misunderstood, never mind... Vince >> I don't know, what do you think it means? Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:06:31 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Esalen in '68 I think we have a consensus...it DEFINITELY is or isn't Mimi Farina, and the guy is Richard 'Robert' Farina, who was dead at the time. RR Steve Dulson wrote: > Susan wrote: > > > I am inclined to believe that it > >may have been Mimi (Baez's sister) and her Sir Gallahad. I know others > >disagree but it makes sense to me. > > I disagree because I've seen Mimi perform 8 times, seen her hosting > the Bread and Roses festival, have (I think) everything she's > recorded, and it's NOT MIMI. :) > > Joan's song "Sweet Sir Galahad" was about Mimi's relationship with > Myron Melvin, a San Francisco DJ to whom she was briefly married. > The song celebrates Mimi's emergence from her mourning of Richard. > In the movie "Festival at Big Sur" Joan sings the song to scenes > of Mimi and Myron frolicking in the grass. And no, that ain't Myron > in the photo either. > > And Pat Henry wrote: > > >the woman (definitely) is Mimi Farina > > See above, Pat. > > Sorry to sound vehement about this, but the Farinas are people > who have loomed large in my life. > > Best wishes to all, > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:08:15 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: In her own words Okay, so who is Feddie? Kate Bennett wrote: > Here are a few quotes I was just reading that echo some recent discussions: > > Kenny G isn't the only one with pitch problems-- > > "Feddie thinks I have perfect pitch. I don't. I think I have intermittent > perfect pitch. I have spells of it. Which is horrible, because there are no > perfect tones out there and you get driven crazy by the undulations. I'll go > put my heroes on - I'll play Miles, and his pitch is all over the place." > > Who deserves to play what-- > > "Charles called to me from his death bed and I just had to do that, for my > own education in music. Back then I didn't even like Charles's music. It was > blues-based, and I wasn't into the blues. And it was cacophonous. I became a > fan, of course, but there were a lot of jazz guys saying "Hey, you don't > even like his music. Why'd he send for you?" But I really liked him so > much." > > Kate Bennett > Singer/Songwriter > www.katebennett.com > > - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:14:43 -0700 From: Catherine Subject: Re: Metheny/G & Aimee Mann Hi Peg, you wrote: > Of course. That's not creative energy, commenting on who you "don't like" > but IN THE CONTEXT of a whole interview who cares if Kurt or Alanis take a > hit from Joni Mitchell Ah, yes, there's the rub-- Context. A lot of the stuff she (and lots of other celebrities) says appears in isolation, completely out of context. I am thinking specifically of Joni's negative comments about Kurt Cobain that showed up a year or two ago. The Associated Press picked up a single line from some interview (which I never saw in its entirety), and ran a thirty word blurb on their website and wire service, which was picked up by newspapers nationwide, consisting of something to the effect that Joni Mitchell doesn't think much of today's songwriters, and she doesn't see what's so great about Kurt Cobain. As somebody who does see what's great about Kurt Cobain, I was pretty annoyed, and my initial reaction was to think that that sort of statement only makes Joan look like some cranky old Bel Air Andy Rooney-lady, throwing rocks at the kids. (Which, I might add, flies in the face of the many personal encounters listers have had with her, and without exception she has been warmhearted and kind and generous in person). But I didn't read the whole interview, and its quite easy for me to imagine a journalist tossing out names just to get a reaction-I can't imagine Joni sits around and fumes and obsesses about Kurt Cobain, of all people--for heaven's sake, he'd already been dead for several years when that quote appeared, so by that point was not that representative of "today's songwriters." It seems like one of the main occupations of the soulless media is to spread pettiness and invent conflict. Just look at how Judy Collins was misquoted regarding Joni--Miss Collins eloquent and heartfelt reply to this very list illustrates how the media frequently takes things out of context, or blatantly misquotes. And I substantively agree with Metheny's take on Kenny G. , but agree with Kakki that > It's probably wiser to let loose with a rant privately among friends that > putting it out for all the world to hear. It seems to me that part of the cost of celebrity is having to be careful about what you say in public forums, whether to the press or on the web or wherever--you do risk lawsuits and diminishing yourself. And that carefulness was what I found appealing about Aimee Mann's remarks on the Fresh Air program. Then Philip posted about Aimee Mann: > She must have mellowed because a few years ago she gave this > memorable quote on a tv rpogram about the music business. > > "It's a major surprise to me that no artist has walked up, you know, > taken the elevator to the 32nd floor of the CBS building and sprayed the > place with machine gun fire." Ooooo, I have to admit I love this quote! :-) To be fair, Mann *has* had a few bitter things to say, and produced many, many songs that take aim at the industry (Put Me on Top, I'm With Stupid, Its Not Safe, Nothing is Good Enough leap to mind), but I do believe she IS mellowing a bit. (She didn't share any homicidal visions this time :-) In recent interviews she has talked about how she first and foremost writes about relationships, and that songs that may appear to be about the music biz can and should be interpreted in the broader context of human relationships. And I do recall her recently actually using the phrase "getting over and moving beyond" her bitterness about her experience in the industry. Guess I find it refreshing to see someone like her, who has very legitimate reasons for bitterness, announcing that yeah, I got a raw deal, but time to pick myself up and forge ahead. Good for Aimee! Bye all-- catherine t in az ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:43:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Dogs that hunt...... In a message dated 6/14/00 4:47:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << Unless, of course, you're prepared to accept the possiblity that Joni thinks about as much of her early material as she does the songs on DED ... nah, don't go there! Don Rowe >> Indeed, she does, and describes it in one word: Helium. Paul I ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #331 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?