From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 328 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC, bootlegging, my $.02 worth (md) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: NJC, defining bootlegging, my $.02 worth [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: VG-8 (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO [mann@chicagonet.net] RE: Aimee Mann on Fresh Air - njc ["Peg Eves" ] joni tributes/covers [PFallo@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny [Siresorrow@aol.com] Cassandra Wilson on Joni [James Leahy ] Re: joni tributes/covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny NJC [Don Rowe ] hejira [Linda Worster ] RE: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? (now NJC) [Louis Lynch ] Lyrics book: list of corrections available [Howard ] Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN [Les Irv] Re: Pat Metheny NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Cassandra Wilson on Joni [Catherine McKay ] RE: Fleetwood Mac (njc) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Pat Metheny NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: Pat Metheny NJC [Catherine McKay ] Fleetwood Mac (njc) [evian ] Pat vs Kenny NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN [M] Joni Day In The Garden ["Nikki Johnson" ] RE: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN ["N] Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN [D] RE: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? (now NJC) ["Peg Eves" > this exact same thread is running right now on another list. i don't know what the courts actually say about this. to me, the sin of it is different than the law of it. should we wait at a red light at 4 in the morning when it is absolutely clear that no one is coming. i guess i draw the line in copying for myself verses for others. although, today i am making a tape for friend and it will be cuts off several albums. but i want to show a thread of though in these particular songs. so i'll do it with joy and no guilt. now if i started pirating them, i think i'd feel guilty..... from some dickhead on the r.t. list today...( gee, is it illegal to cut from one list and paste on another)..... ....A while back, I commented that copying music (I believe it was The Bunch record under discussion) for friends was against the law. Several people were taken aback by this and strenuously disagreed. I thought I was right then and I KNOW that I'm right now. This is from a story about that ol' Napster and University of Kentucky students/staff problems with it, viz: >Katherine Adams, associate general counselor in the College of Law, said that UK continues to show a concern >about the Napster debate... >Adams said students, faculty and staff need to understand that even though they have no intention of >violating the law, they can be held civilly liable. >"Theoretically, if you copy a (cassette) tape or disc for a friend, it is copyright infringement because when >you buy the product you have the right to listen to it, but not the right to reproduce it," she said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:22:14 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? Louis Lynch wrote: >>Exactly what makes "jazz" so special that one person can say another >>person isn't jazz? They said it about Joni when she released Mingus. >>Metheny's saying it about Kenny G. >>Metheny criticized Kenny G for playing a "jazz" instrument that also >>happens to be found in almost every high school band. What's up with >>that? >>As far as I can see, it seems to be more of an attitude. And if you >>follow a selected crowd of musicians, you are cool and have a right >>to tell everybody else they are not. To me, Metheny's comments >>don't make sense for just that reason. Can someone explain this to >>me? Lou, you didn't read Metheny's post carefully ... he is *not* saying that Kenny G isn't jazz, in fact, he specifically said that he feels it is jazz -- horribly bad jazz -- and that because Gorelick has chosen an instrument most closely associated with jazz (yes, it's used in other musics but most prominently in jazz) he should be held to the highest standards on that instrument in that music, namely, Coltrane, Shorter, etc. And on that scale Gorelick falls way, way below. In other words, what Metheny is saying is: fine, call Kenny G jazz -- most people do anyway and Gorelick is clearly attempting to function within some version of that tradition -- but, more importantly, let's call it what it really is ... really crappy music. >>Granted Kenny G's necrophilia might not be to everyone's taste, but, >>come on, he has as much right to express his creativity as anyone >>else, no matter how bad that creativity seems to some people. Metheny is also very clear that all these years he has suffered Gorelick's music in private, not wanting to dump on another musician in public purely for reasons of musical mediocrity. What drew Metheny out in this case was specifically Gorelick's defamation of Louis Armstrong, his grafting Louis' actual vocal performance onto his own instrumental track, in one fell swoop defiling Louis, shamefully attempting to elevate himself to Louis' level, and, as Pat so rightly put it, shitting on the graves of thousands of musicians who struggled to make honest, creative music of integrity. It's simply not a matter, in this case, of Gorelick's creativity seeming bad to some people, but of his having no creativity at all, and, in fact, stealing someone else's, and not just anyone else, but perhaps that of the single greatest musician in all of jazz, certainly one of the top few. Of course Gorelick has the right to make his own lousy music, but he has absolutely no right to do this, and that is what is drawing Metheny's public ire. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:34:17 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC "Kate Bennett" wrote: >>I love Pat Metheny's music, and ignore Kenny G's. I understand how he >>feels when he says, "there ARE some things that are sacred" >>(remembering how I felt when I heard Michael Bolton singing Dock of >>the Bay). But I am disappointed in the way he expresses his opinion, >>sometimes forgetting it is his opinion. As much as I can agree with >>much of what he is saying, he really comes across arrogant and >>vitriolic. Maybe it is especially upsetting to hear these words from >>someone whose music is so elevating? Kate, perhaps you are not aware of the whole picture here ... it's not analogous to Bolton merely singing Redding, but rather as if Bolton had taken Redding's vocal and recorded himself on top of it, positioning himself as Redding's worthy equal. That's what Kenny G did. In fact, he even performed his Armstrong desecration live synchronized with a film of Louis singing the song. This crosses so far over the line of decency and integrity that vitriol is the appropriate response. Metheny isn't being arrogant, he's standing up to gross artistic injustice. Sometimes the shit gets so thick that someone has to "roar like forest fire." - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:01:00 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, defining bootlegging, my $.02 worth "James Phillips" wrote: >Since the bootlegging debate is going on, I have a question for people >that are against unauthorised recordings. How many times have you dubbed some >of your favourite songs onto a tape to either give to a friend or spouse, >or perhaps kept for yourself to listen to in your car or walkman when going >on a walk? Responding again with the disclaimer that I am a composer/recording musician who makes a living from selling my music, I feel that private-use mix tapes are fine; they don't hurt anyone. What isn't cool is the scenario I described before: someone copying an existing, available (not out of print) record in order to avoid buying it. The other thing that isn't cool with me is the buying and selling of unauthorized recordings, such as concerts, studio out-takes, or any recording procured through illegal means (Pat Metheny had a master tape from a Japanese TV show stolen before he was finished mixing it; it was then sold as a bootleg ... not cool!). My reason is this: the artist should be the one who has control over artistic output, not the consumer, and certainly not the illicit retailer. The artist may not feel good about releasing _x_ performance as a finished product, maybe it was a bad gig. Same for studio out-takes. As an adoring audience, we may clamor for every shred of detritus our favorite artist emits, but they, not we, should control its dissemination. If we truly love and respect that artist, we will respect this pact ... after all, it's *their* name on it, not ours. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:00:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC Fred wrote: > Kate, perhaps you are not aware of the whole picture >here ... it's not analogous to Bolton merely singing Redding, >but rather as if Bolton had taken Redding's vocal and >recorded himself on top of it, positioning himself as >Redding's worthy equal. That's what Kenny G did. In fact, he >even performed his Armstrong desecration live synchronized >with a film of Louis singing the song. I completely agree with Metheny's ire but Armstrong's heirs or whoever owns the rights to his performances had to have given Kenny G the permission to do this. KG can't just rip it off at whim - at least not without significant consequences. Someone or ones who held the rights are just as much responsible for the sell out. I adore Louis Armstrong - his music was played more than anyone in my house as a child - and the whole thing grosses me out. Think of how we would all feel if 40 years or so from now, one of the latest junkfood for juvenile groups appropriate Joni's performance of Hejira, for example. We would be livid. >This crosses so far over the line of decency and integrity that >vitriol is the appropriate response. Metheny isn't being >arrogant, he's standing up to gross artistic injustice. >Sometimes the shit gets so thick that someone has to "roar >like forest fire." Ah, but while I understand his reaction, all I could think while reading it was "eesch, I've seen people successfully win defamation suits on far less than this." I cringe for him that his written vitriol is being disseminated across the internet. The right to free speech is not always a free pass. I don't think this is the last we will hear of this. Kakki NP: New Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:17:43 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb - ----- Original Message ----- From: B Merrill > The underlying jungle drums signal a musical and lyrical > disruption of the happier days of "In France." Now you suddenly realize > that this isn't Court and Spark, Pt. II. "I don't think we're in Alberta > anymore, Toto!" I don't get that. The way I see it he says....... The dark skinned people in the foreground with their lovely world beats represent all that's good and pure in the world. They haven't been corrupted by commerce and religion. As far as Joni is concerned the savages are the people running the corporations in the tall buildings (The Exxons of this world, the people who mess with the garden planet) and the half baked Christian moralists snug in their bible belt dreams. Those cannibals of shuck and jive, if you will. She gives thanks to National Geographic not The Wall St Journal. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:51:14 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: VG-8 (NJC) (md) James, I must forwarn you that if you dont calibrate the Rhinedexter on the Tonal Flange Specimator of the VG-8's envelope filter you can actually warp the neck of your guitar with the VG-8. This is a serious problem with such mechanisms. In addition to that players have noticed a sort of deterioration in their hand coordination from use of the VG-8. It seems that all the ability that used to exist in the entire hand becomes condensed totally into the tip of only one finger. In New Orleans we all thought Mike just kept pointing at everyone in defiance but later we found out from his therapist that this was a long term effect of using his VG-8 all the time. This has in turn affected his keyboards. He can still do "Chopsticks" on the piano because it only requires one finger on each hand but those long complex piano solos dont happen any longer for him. Mike is despeate to get a VG-15 which allows you to play Rachmaninoffs 9th on the piano with just the two fingers.regards. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:17:37 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO Good Argument Hell..........I don't think I've ever seen Carole King with a guitar! Altho, she does play guitar on some of her albums Laura "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > I don't think it's Carole King. .... I also > doubt she'd have been playing guitar rather than piano? > > Hell > _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:09:14 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Aimee Mann on Fresh Air - njc Brian, Yeoww!! Thanks for the Aimee tip. There's another fantastic songwriter, eh?! A standout. Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brian > Gross > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 7:50 PM > To: Joni@smoe.org > Subject: Aimee Mann on Fresh Air - njc > > > FRESH AIR with Terry Gross 3-4PM Tues 6/13/00 > (www.WHYY.org, 90.9 MHz FM in Philadelphia) > > Terry speaks with singer and songwriter Aimee Mann. She was nominated > for an Academy Award for her song, Save Me, from the film Magnolia, and > she has a new CD that includes the song that inspired the film. > (repeated at 7 p.m.) > For tapes and transcripts of Fresh Air, call Toll-Free 1-(877)-21-FRESH. > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:02:13 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: joni tributes/covers while pawing through my vinyl (anybody remember that) the other night, i came across a couple of items that may be of interest to whoever is putting together joni tribute/covers tapes or joniphiles in general. probably the first joni tribute that i know of was on a 1975 eric kloss album, "bodies warmth", a tune coincidentally enough titled "joni". kloss, a huge joni fan, was a fanatastic saxophone player from pittsburgh who has unfortuneately faded into obscurity. he is blind and became quite a small sensation by the time he was 16 yrs. old, in fact if my memory serves me well (which it often doesn't), once appearing on the old tonight show w/johnny carson. the tune "joni" features a very joniesque type piano intro and melody-kind of court and spark era. kloss quotes "woodstock" during his solo and the tune tries to evoke the feeling of "woodstock" and "jericho." on a 1970 lp originally titled "consciousness" and reissued under the name "eric kloss and the rhythm section", kloss covered joni's "songs to aging children." the cut, a sprightly poppy version, featured chick corea on piano and kloss' musical running buddy, jazz guitar legend, pat martino. it also featured dave holland on bass and jack dejohnette on drums-no lightweights there. mr. martino as some of you may know, has covered "both sides now" in a beautiful duet version with cassandra wilson on his recent "all sides now" cd. that however was the second time pat had covered "both sides now" on record; the first, being on his 1974 album titled "consciousness" (told ya they were running buddies), recently reissued as "head and heart" on 32 jazz. it's an absolutely gorgeous solo guitar reading of the tune that i bet joni would certainly appreciate. anyway, i'd be happy to provide copies of the tunes for any tribute/covers project or any other interested parties. phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:03:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pat Metheny In a message dated 6/12/00 1:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz quotes pat metheny as follows: <> i have to say, i like his language here michael. he's got some great images..spew, lame-ass, jive, defecation, coitus, ...etc. he sounds like a jimdler. are you sure he's not on our list... what a great story to read. i always felt kenny g was just a light weight. kind of esoteric, aiming for the simpler mind just wanting pretty sounds on their stereo. i envision his concerts full of retired winnebago couples with folding lawn chairs. i'm wondering though if dubbing over a dead muscian's record is actually musical necrophelia. i don't think i'd want to do it, myself, but in the case of natalie cole, i can understand it. he's quite the character, pat metheny. and i can see from this post how someone might have a hard time working with him. harper's brother's story gains credibility with this strong post of metheny's. he's not just some....really sweet guy. he's definately got some edge. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:18:20 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Cassandra Wilson on Joni The Globe and Mail has an interview with Cassandra Wilson in today's paper. I'm going to see her at Massey Hall tomorrow. Cassandra talks about Joni's Both Sides Now album: http://www.GlobeAndMail.CA/gam/Music/20000613/TACASS.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni tributes/covers <> Well, Phil, I suppose that would be me...:~) These sound very scrumptious indeed! If you can put them on a High Bias tape or on a CD and forward them to me, I'll include them on a "Covers & Contributions" Volume (now up to #6), and give you a free copy of the disc in return! A good deal for you and for all the JMDL who will benefit from your generosity! You can send to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 Thanks again! Bob NP: Luka Bloom, "Hudson Lady" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC - --- Kakki wrote: > Ah, but while I understand his reaction, all I could > think while reading it > was "eesch, I've seen people successfully win > defamation suits on far less > than this." If I remember correctly, wouldn't the plaintiff in such a case have to prove "reckless disregard for the truth", which is really libel more than defamation -- since Pat's comments appeared in print, yes? But hey, you're the lawyer, not me! ;-) In any case, Pat's comments, at least to me, don't rise to that standard. Consider what Pat "said": Kenny G DOES "play consistently sharp". I may not be a lawyer, but I do have perfect pitch. "Jive?" You bet, and one of the most appropriate applications of this time-honored jazz put-down I've ever seen. David Lahm -- help me out here! ;-) "Wimped out?" You look at those Raveen curls and tell me what you see ... "F**ked up?" Richard Thompson jests that if you play one wrong note it's a mistake. Play that same wrong note three times and it's jazz. But play that wrong note ten times in every lick and it's ... "f**ked up." "Noodling?" See "jive" ... in a more musically just world, only Mark Knopfler would be allowed to use the technique. So Pat's right -- but as I said in my first post on this subject -- it would be a shame if he were "dead right." Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:02:05 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: hejira Hi Mike! Sorry to be so long on the reply here. It was so great to get this: >"In a highway service station Over the month of June, >Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon. >And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball >Or a forest or a city or me least here of all. >You couldn't see these cold water restrooms Or this baggage overload >Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads." you were the second or third person in as many days that had mentioned this verse to me!!! AND... I'd been listening to Hejira and that track was the current stand-out.... (funny how that changes with different listens, 'eh?) >Does this do something to ya? These may be some of the best lyrics >off of one of the best albums of our time. This says it all and >nearly explains it all to me. It really puts me in my place. exactly! > Just >wanted to share my love for this album with you. any time you feel the need to talk about Hejira with a fellow devotee, don't hestitate! :~) It's amazing to me that I am still utterly blown away EVERY time I listen to this album. AND I always manage to hear something new. Hejira is off-the-scale! EVERY song is a masterpiece! Joni rules! Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:18:06 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? (now NJC) David, Thanks for responding. Just for the record, note that I did not use the word "elitist," nor did I imply it anywhere in my e-mail. I didn't mean to put you on the defensive, there. I have met an elitist musician or two, but they all have come from the classical realm. One classical violinist in particular claimed that anyone who played popular music was not a "true musician." One of my favorite piano teachers, whom I love dearly, had a delightfully elitist attitude. When he discovered I was joining a folk-rock band, he said that playing popular music would take away all my credibility as a "serious" musician. He is now playing with the Berlin Philharmonic, and I'm still doing Renaissance Faires, so maybe he was right. Given that jazz is a purely American style of "folk music," it could hardly be considered an area for elitism, any more than blues or spirituals or bluegrass. As far jazz goes, if you say it's undefinable, that's probably why my brother and dad couldn't explain it either. The same blurring occurs in other music -- is Jethro Tull Celtic or rock, for example? No one knows. I guess I'll defer to my brother's definition. One time he told me that, as a harpist, I can charge upwards of $100 per hour for a show or a wedding. He said that automatically disqualifies me, because in order to be a jazz player, you have to make very little money per gig and just do it for the music. If I ruffled any jazz feathers out there with my e-mail, you all must realize that my post was PURELY tongue-in-cheek. I was just snipping at Pat Metheny's overly harsh comments about Kenny G. We have a saying in our family, "it's only music." I guess my parents came up with that saying to avoid disputes among siblings who were: a jazz guitarist, Irish harpist, operatic soprano, heavy metal guitarist, bluegrass fiddler, country and western drummer and contemporary Christian balladeer. In essence, I perceive Metheny's bombast equivalent to arguing about how many sax players can dance on the head of a pin. In the grand scheme of things, his disgust of Kenny G isn't important to me. And, yes, David, there is an area of music that truly nourishes me -- it falls under the category of "anything that Joni Mitchell ever recorded." She makes my soul vibrate like none other! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:37:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Big Sur '68 The Zoobman wrote: >Is it Mimi and (I think his name is) Robert Farina? Joan's sister and >brother in law? Sadly, Richard Farina was killed in '66 (and was playing dulcimer rather than guitar in the last few years before his death) and, no, it ain't Mimi. Mimi looks like a younger, prettier Joan. There is a photo of her at http://www.breadandroses.com/mimi.html. Best, ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:30:01 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Lyrics book: list of corrections available If anyone wants to have a copy of the list of Joni lyrics book corrections, please drop me a line. The complete, correct lyrics are all available from www.jonimitchell.com - - this list of errata is only really of possible interest to people who have the book and want to know where the errors are. If you contact me off-list, I can mail you a copy of the list. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:43:48 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Farinas (Now NJC) And a photo of Richard and Mimi: http://www.dirtywater.com/a2z/f/farina/ ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:36:57 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN >From: LeaDeason@aol.com >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT >Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN > >Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and >Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide >hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. RAINN's hotline has >helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now that I've told >you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. > >Now through June 25th, we are holding an online fundraising auction featuring >over 40 items of music memorabilia from artists like: Joni Mitchell, Dave >Matthews Band, 311, PJ Harvey and Garbage. We thought some of these items >might be of interest to your site's guests. Is it possible for you to >mention our auction on your website? The address for the auction is >http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions. > >We also have banners available for download at >http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/banners.html. The site to link the banners >to is http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions. > >Below please find a press release, providing more details on the auction and >items available. > >If you need any more information about RAINN, please visit our website at >www.RAINN.org. Anything you can do to help is appreciated. Please feel free >to e-mail me at leadeason@aol.com or call at 202-544-3064 if you have any >questions. I look forward to hearing from you. > >Sincerely, > >Lea Deason >Director of Member Services >RAINN > >--------------------------- >Shania Twain, Marc Anthony and Kid Rock Team for RAINN Auction >Yahoo! Sponsors Massive Online Fundraiser > > >Washington, D.C ­ RAINN, the national sexual assault hotline, today announced >a massive online auction featuring memorabilia from today’s hottest recording >artists. The auction takes place on Yahoo! from June 12th - June 26th. > >Musicians have contributed personal items to help support the hotline’s >fundraising efforts. Thus far auction items include: the baby grand bar piano >that helped launch Tori Amos' career; an autographed guitar from Matchbox >Twenty; an autographed custom-made shirt worn onstage by Shania Twain; an >autographed harmonica from Alanis Morissette; personal Doc Martens from PJ >Harvey; a guitar smashed in the "Ziplock" video from Lit; six autographed >hats worn onstage by Kid Rock; a personal baseball cap from Marc Anthony; >an autographed Gibson guitar from Jewel; an autographed photo from Sting; a >nd a platinum sales award from Sugar Ray personalized with the auction >winner’s name. Other artists making contributions include: Backstreet Boys, M >etallica, Usher, Dave Matthews Band, George Straight, Melissa Ethridge, >Enrique Iglesias, Joan Osborne, Third Eye Blind, Faith Hill, Third Eye Blind a >nd more. > >RAINN (the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) operates the country's only >national hotline for victims of sexual assault. Through the hotline >(1.800.656.HOPE), victims from all across America receive free, confidential >help from RAINN's network of over 850 local counseling centers. RAINN's >hotline has helped more than 320,000 victims of rape and sexual assault since >it was founded in 1994 with help from Amos. > >Yahoo! (yahoo.com), a global Internet media company and longtime supporter of >RAINN, will host the charity auction on Yahoo! Auctions >(http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions). Proceeds from the >Yahoo! Charity Auction will benefit RAINN. > >The music industry plays an integral role in RAINN's ability to thrive in its >mission to provide free, confidential counseling 24 hours a day for the >thousands of callers who reach out every month. Recording artists such as Sar >ah McLachlan, Dave Matthews Band and R.E.M, have all realized the importance >and quality of RAINN's work and have teamed up to make sure that when a >victim of sexual assault raises the phone someone is there to help them. > >Full item listing available. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC kate@katebennett.com wrote: > I am > disappointed in the way he expresses his opinion, > sometimes forgetting it is > his opinion. As much as I can agree with much of > what he is saying, he > really comes across arrogant and vitriolic. Maybe > it is especially upsetting > to hear these words from someone whose music is so > elevating? > - --- CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Maybe he was just pissed. Ever say something in the > heat of the moment. > Jazz music is Pat passion. So I don't begrudge the > guy at all. I dig a man > who honours his own opinion. Bingo - we all do that. Joni does it a lot and I've heard people saying they wish she'd stop dissing the industry ("ungrateful with my teeth sunk in the hand..."). I'm convinced these artists sometimes get set up. Interviewers who have done a bit of research may dig up some comment the person has made about the music business, or another artist's work and their liking or disliking of it, and, in an effort to create some controversy or to make their interview more interesting, they dredge it up yet again, so it ends up looking as if the person being interviewed is constantly complaining about the same thing. ("Well, Pat, you're well-known for your hatred for the music stylings of Kenny G - tell us all about it...") I don't think we can expect any of these people to be saints - they have bad days just like anyone else and if they happen to have strong opinions on things, so what? At least we know what they DO think! Also, these comments are often taken out of context. Metheny seems to have had a lot to say about this, so it doesn't seem like an isolated comment taken out of context - but he seems to have been trying to explain something he said earlier... only to get into (apparently) hotter water than he was in earlier. That unfortunately is what seems to happen when human beings trying to explain themselves. There may be some truth in the saying "Never apologize - never explain". Sometimes you end up with a bigger mess than you started out with. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:02:06 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead > > me. I just hope all this praise doesn't encourage me to write more > food-obsessed Joni parodies. > Bob Murphy Peg replies: I hope it does.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cassandra Wilson on Joni - --- James Leahy wrote: > The Globe and Mail has an interview with Cassandra > Wilson in today's > paper. I'm going to see her at Massey Hall tomorrow. > Cassandra talks > about Joni's Both Sides Now album: > > http://www.GlobeAndMail.CA/gam/Music/20000613/TACASS.html Hey cool! I checked this out and, while I was at it, clicked onto the 7-day search at the bottom of the page and keyed in the words "joni mitchell" - it came back with 3 hits, one of which is the Globe article from last week about Joni's painting (so it's still there); another was the Cassandra Williams article; and a 3rd was a Carly Simon article/review (Catman oughta like that!) The Joni connection in the Carly item is this: "Yes, she admits that she believed she was important back in the days she was at the top of the charts. She recalls the period following her triumph with No Secrets, the 1972 album that contained her biggest hit up to that point, You're So Vain. At the time, she was literally at the top of the pop world, playing queen to James Taylor's king after the two married that year. Her follow-up album, Hotcakes, was released in January, 1974 and went to No. 3 on the charts. But Simon was furious with David Geffen. He had released her album at the same time he brought out Bob Dylan's Planet Waves and Joni Mitchell's Court and Spark, and those other discs were hogging the top two spots. "'I called David Geffen in a rage. Of course, that was pretty laughable. I was complaining about being No. 3. It just shows that it's all relative. If you're used to being No. 1, chances are you're going to have a tougher time gaining humility about being No. 3.'" To see the Cassandra Wilson AND Carly Simon AND AND AND JONI MITCHELL interview (if you missed it earlier), try this URL: http://archives.theglobeandmail.com/s97is.vts?ResultTemplate=GAMResults.hts&ViewTemplate=GAMDocView.hts&collection=TGAM&SearchCase=Insensitive&ResultCount=10&SortField=sortdate&QueryText=joni+mitchell&search=Go Yeah, it's a lot of stuff, but I tested by clicking on it as I've copied it, and it worked. (I test these things because I still don't trust the copy and paste technique totally.) If anyone doesn't have access and would like a copy of any of these articles e-mailed to them, e-mail me back privately and I'll send it on. (I honestly can't remember whether anyone posted the Globe/Joni article to the list last week since I usually delete posts right after reading them.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:30:49 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac (njc) Cool more Stevie fans! LOL Silver Springs is a great old song huh? LOL. The newer version really is so intense! I kinda like it better than the old one...but it still shoulda been on the album for sure. FYI Stevie is supposed to tour this fall from what we've been hearing. Sounds like she will kick it off w/ the Arizona Heart institute benefit in Sept. (can't wait to go!!!) and then tour after that. Every time I listen to Joni at work this guy tells me to put something else in before he falls asleep! The nerve...lol. So he gets a Metallica Cd or something. He does the same for Stevie...lol. Take care Nikki > -----Original Message----- > From: evian > OK Helen dear, now it's just getting plain creepy. I swear on a stack > of JM Companions that I was listening to The Dance all afternoon at > work, and I repeated "Silver Springs" so many times that I can't even > count. Then, I guess I must have had the music just blaring, because > this guy I work with comes into my office and says "Are you having a > party in here or something?" > God, everytime I listen to "Silver Springs" I get goosebumps.... > Evian > > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC Catherine writes ... >"Never apologize - never > explain". Sometimes you end up with a bigger mess > than you started out with. > Perhaps Mr. Metheny could benefit from a listen to Frank Zappa's epic instrumental project, aptly titled: "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar" Don Rowe ;-) ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pat Metheny NJC - --- Don Rowe wrote: > Catherine writes ... > > >"Never apologize - never > > explain". Sometimes you end up with a bigger mess > > than you started out with. > > > Perhaps Mr. Metheny could benefit from a listen to > Frank Zappa's epic instrumental project, aptly > titled: > > "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar" Good point - maybe "they" shouldn't interview musicians at all. Still, I'd rather read a diatribe from an opinionated person like Metheney than listen to an interview with some sports star - now there's a group that should just shut up and play! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:59:14 -0600 From: evian Subject: Fleetwood Mac (njc) Nikki wrote: > LOL Silver Springs is a great old song huh? LOL. The newer version really is > so intense! I kinda like it better than the old one... > My thoughts exactly! I didn't hear the original until the FM Boxed Set came out and I fell in love with the song, but I was totally blown away by the version on The Dance. Now, if only they would have redone "Fireflies" on The Dance as well... the version on FM Live is great but it would sound so much better if she rerecorded it now...And I still think it's a shame that Stevie didn't do "That's Allright" on The Dance either. > FYI Stevie is supposed to tour this fall from > what we've been hearing. Sounds like she will kick it off w/ the Arizona > Heart institute benefit in Sept. (can't wait to go!!!) and then tour after > that. > LOL, let me guess... you are a devoted reader of nicksfix.com too? Evian Now singing in my head: "To be the last to leave.... the last to be gone....." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:52:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Pat vs Kenny NJC This explains it all: Pat Metheny aka Continental Silvercake Kenny G aka Glossy Hot'lude Kate Bennett aka Typhoon Sparkelfreak Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:24:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO I am guessing it is Richard & Mimi Farina Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:50 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Saskatoon Bound!!!!! Well, I decided to take the plunge and go to the big "S." I'm extremely excited, but getting nervous about getting into the gallery. One person said there will be 6,000 people!?!? Do we have to pack a sleeping bag and camp out on the sidewalk? ( "Jonistock?" ) I also liked the idea of JMDL'ers inviting her to lunch. How can she ignore such a (hopefully) large and and dedicated group?? ;>); people that are traveling across the country to see her??? Is anyone else having trouble subscribing to Mary's Saskatoon list? I keep getting rejected. Looking forward to meeting everyone!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:15:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has she offered up? NP-Silky Veils of Ardor At 10:36 AM -0600 6/13/00, Les Irvin wrote: >>From: LeaDeason@aol.com >>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT >>Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN >> >>Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and >>Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide >>hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. RAINN's hotline has >>helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now that I've told >>you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:29:15 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Joni Day In The Garden Hi! I just got the Joni at a Day On the Garden CD and wow I am really taken back there. (THANKS SO MUCH BOB! Yours just needs a cover and will be on it's way to you!) Everyone has been so nice here I figured I'd share some thoughts...lol. I was at that show and it was such an amazing weekend I forgot how amazing Joni sounded. I love hearing her play guitar, and it was cool how it was just her and a drummer w/ a small drum set and a horn player. That was it right? LOL Were many list members there? I remember them introducing her and saying well she didn't make it here the 1st time but she wrote a song about it. Even though it wasn't the original it was still pretty cool...and nostalgic to be on that hill. Ok continuing in my flashback here...LOL! Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:29:16 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN It's an autographed print of the self-portrait on the cover of Taming The Tiger. It's at $50...hhmmm...kinda tempting...lol nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark > Domyancich > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:16 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for > RAINN > > > Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has she offered up? > > NP-Silky Veils of Ardor > > At 10:36 AM -0600 6/13/00, Les Irvin wrote: > >>From: LeaDeason@aol.com > >>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT > >>Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN > >> > >>Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and > >>Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide > >>hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. > RAINN's hotline has > >>helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now > that I've told > >>you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. > -- > Mark Domyancich > Harpua@revealed.net > tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN - --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has > she offered up? > TTT cover autographed litho ... bid's at $50 ... at least as of the lunch hour Central Time. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:15:28 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? (now NJC) I second that emotion! Peg says after reading Lois'message: > ----- > And, yes, David, there is an area of music that truly nourishes me -- it > falls under the category of "anything that Joni Mitchell ever recorded." > She makes my soul vibrate like none other! > > Regards, > > Harper Lou > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:12:44 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Joni Day In The Garden...one more thing... I started having my flashback so early in the CD I didn't hear the pedal steel and the bass player...LOL! I don't remember that many people on stage w/ her but then again I don't remember yesterday. There was a part in Big Yellow Taxi where she switches to a Bob Dylan voice and said her wrote that verse? That was interesting. Did he work on anything else w/ her? Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nikki > Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:29 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni Day In The Garden > > > Hi! I just got the Joni at a Day On the Garden CD and wow I am > really taken > back there. (THANKS SO MUCH BOB! Yours just needs a cover and will be on > it's way to you!) Everyone has been so nice here I figured I'd share some > thoughts...lol. I was at that show and it was such an amazing weekend I > forgot how amazing Joni sounded. I love hearing her play guitar, > and it was > cool how it was just her and a drummer w/ a small drum set and a horn > player. That was it right? LOL > Were many list members there? I remember them introducing her and saying > well she didn't make it here the 1st time but she wrote a song about it. > Even though it wasn't the original it was still pretty cool...and > nostalgic > to be on that hill. > Ok continuing in my flashback here...LOL! > Take care > Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this > world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > > > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #328 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?