From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, June 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 321 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: passion play, redux [Mark Domyancich ] weight..njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] covers njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: passion play, redux ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] Re: weight..njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Another cover (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni at Camden WOW! ["Kakki" ] Play Joni Tribute Now ["Ken (slarty)" ] favorite cd's ["joseph tischner" ] Re: Joni at Camden WOW! [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: weight..njc ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: favorite cd's [IVPAUL42@aol.com] The Last Time I Saw Dickhead (SJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: your glam name (NJC whatsoever) ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Joni at Camden WOW! ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Should I Stay or Should I Go? (To Canada) njc [evian ] Re: Play Joni Tribute Now ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: favorite cd's [RandyRemote ] Re: CD Tracks. [Richard Rice ] coupons njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] momo njc but btc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: city, jungle, suburb, SJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:08:05 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: passion play, redux At 6:20 PM -0400 6/9/00, RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: >i know the "killer nails" refers to the crucifixion, when jesus was so rudely >applied to his cross, but what about those lines: ""divinely barren, and >wickedly wise...the killer nails are ringing." what might that mean, >joniacs??? I think the ringing of the nails means just the sound a hammer makes when it hits a nail, or maybe kind of a signal for all Christians to remember the crucifixion. >the buzzing flies? I think Joni is just painting a picture for the listener, of what the city was like then... flies in the market place. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:21:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: weight..njc why do people struggle with their weight? within certain healthy parameters, why can't one be chubby? i was asked why i am * overweight* yesterday. the guy gave me three choices: a- because i have a self-esteem problem; b- because all diets have failed, and c- because i deny the existence of my body [!?!?!?!]. well, none of the above, of course. as i said before, i'm aware of the dangers of obesity. but then many of the very same people that try to diet off every single * extra* ounce, drink and smoke and dope themselves to death. what's the point? some people will find me repulsive and for the same reasons others will find me f_ing hot [and i KNOW what i'm talking about!]. to me, that we have to be this thin is a cultural imposition just as the fact that we should all be blonde or have read moby dick. again, i know that there are levels of obesity that can endanger somebody's life, but these levels are in no way those reported by vogue. some people have died because they were too fat. a lot of people have died because they were too thin. besides, the more you struggle with something, the more obsessed you become and the more you go in the opposite direction. i was too thin all of my life. i was never allowed to donate blood because i was underweight, i had to buy my clothes in the children's section, etc.. the guys i slept with were lipophobes that were looking for a skeleton to take to bed. then i gave up smoking and substances and well, yes, i put on a little weight. then guys i sleep with now go for the real thing. wallyk, BIG. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:23:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: covers njc bob, i need your address to send you the tape with chelsea morning by sergio mendes and brasil 66 [which should've been a 666]. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:46:41 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: passion play, redux >From: RickieLee1@aol.com >Subject: passion play, redux >to provide context: "all around the market place / the buzzing of the flies >/ the buzzing and the sting / divinely barren and wickedly wise / the killer >nails are ringing" > >huh? I interpret this song as Joni saying that big business rules over the environment. Divinely barren and wickedly wise...the wise business men are counting their silver coins over a wasted land... Exxon blue, radiaion rose, apathy..... Can we get back to the thread of Joni's most upbeat songs??? Sue Cameron n.e. M&Ms in honor of Marshall Mathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:56:16 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell (NJC) Triple TONY-winner you might have added: but it wasn't called Callas, it was "Master Class" and she played one of Callas' students. She is touring this summer. She will be in San Francisco, performing with the SF Symphony on Friday July 21, (of *course* I'm going!) and tickets are still available. (maybe she'll do a Joni song ! ! !) This coming Monday, June 12, Audra is performing a benefit concert for Gay Men's Health Crisis, the world's oldest and largest AIDS service organization. You can call Morgan Rice at 212-367-1514, or e-mail him at morganr@gmhc.org to purchase benefit-level tickets (most include the post-party at the historic Hudson Theater with AUDRA!) The concert is being produced especially for this benefit and promises to be a glorious event!!! There are also non-benefit level tickets to the concert available for $35 - $75 !! Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net === original post: >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:23:53 EDT >From: PPeterson4@aol.com >Subject: Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell > > Audra McDonald, in case you haven't heard of her, is a great young new >Broadway singer who has appeared in Carousel, Ragtime and Callas and the >recent television version of Annie and has a couple of CD's I like a lot. >She has an interesting voice which kind of connects a soprano or falsetto >range and a pop range, much the way Joni Mitchell did in her early years >(though the timbres of the two voices are quite different). In an interview >in this week's TIME OUT magazine (a New York entertainment guide) the >interviewer asks: > >Time Out: Are there any songs out there that you're dying to sing? > >Audra McDonald: ....I've..been getting into Joni Mitchell lately. Kathy >Bates gave me a book of her lyrics as a gift during Annie. It is poetry. >Her latest recording of "Both Sides Now" with all those strings and that >voice - wow! Her voice has gotten so deep and rich. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:04:11 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: flight of the silver beatles If you want to talk >> innovation/evolution - Joni's rivals could be Laurie Anderson, David >Byrne, >> The Roches & the like. Folks not stuck in *style*. Who else? Paul Simon? >> >> Peg Well, altho they are no longer with us (as such) let's keep in mind that the musical evolution that the Beatles went through remains the most extraordinary of all: from skiffle in Liverpool and Chuck Berry covers in the cellars of Hamburg to...!! Their like will not be seen again. B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:13:43 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: weight..njc In a message dated 6/9/00 7:31:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << i was never allowed to donate blood because i was underweight, i had to buy my clothes in the children's section, etc.. the guys i slept with were lipophobes that were looking for a skeleton to take to bed. then i gave up smoking and substances and well, yes, i put on a little weight. then guys i sleep with now go for the real thing. wallyk, BIG. >> you go guy. : ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:00:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another cover (NJC) In a message dated 6/9/00 4:45:15 PM US Central Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << No, I don't have the CD. >> OK, so consider it your mission to get it then! ;-) Bob, my motto "No cover too obscure"! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:08:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni at Camden WOW! Thanks to the King of concert recordings, I received a tape of the Camden concert today and have just played through the first few songs. Oh wow, wow. (Warning preface here - what follows is NOT a judgment as to "better or worse" performances at all. I generally never regard musical performances in those terms. Rather, I have an appreciation for the "variety of the bloom" under different "soil" and other conditions, so to speak ;-) So anyway, at the start of the tour I was very curious as to how each of the shows would sound with respect to interpretation by the different orchestras and by Joni herself. I have listened to the L.A. Greek show several times. I also listened to some of the Concord show while at the Paz party and noticed differences in Joni's and the orchestra's interpretation between the two. I have not had the good fortune to listen to any of the other shows until now. So here I have the closing slow to juxtapose against the opener and oh boy, the two are significantly *different* in every aspect. This is so wonderful and exciting to experience and I just wanted to rave about it all a bit. Both concerts are totally gorgeous and wonderful but the basic parameters of the arrangements have certainly not been held to and they are different in almost every nuance. In the Camden show Joni changes the notes on the page and tempo throughout, and the orchestra and the trumpet and the sax players often follow their own spirit and it is all fantastic. Incredible!! In a way it was certainly risky of Joni, Mendoza and Klein to just breeze into town and rehearse for a few hours with the locals before show time, but oooweee, it makes for marvelous spontaneity and the feel of hearing real, ALIVE music happening and not the canned, go-through-the-motions performance of a band that has done it over and over by rote in their sleep. I really look forward to hearing more of the shows and appreciating the individuality of each of them. Thanks a million once again to all those who make these recordings available to us here. Kakki NP: Joni at Camden - Stormy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:26:49 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Play Joni Tribute Now This link will directly start up winamp or any other mp3 player you have configured and start playing the songs from the Joni Mitchell Tribute Show. This link can also be put on any web page to add Joni content to it. http://www.myplay.com/mp/playlist/now_playing.jsp?u=607455&plid=151001&start=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:31:20 EDT From: "joseph tischner" Subject: favorite cd's Forgive me all. But............ the first time I heard '2Against Nature' I realized that I had not just heard a great album. I decided it was the BEST album I've heard in my lifetime. My friend burned me a copy the day it was released and I haven't tired of it yet. 9 perfect cuts. It's all there in one little CD. I'm truly amazed each time I listen. Janie Runaway's my favorite! Second on my list..............Wild Things Run Fast. (This I just decided after 18 years....................) Like I said, I beg your forgiveness, but it was not I who brought up the Dan. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:32:50 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Camden WOW! Thanks for your post. I had the same impression of a kind of pazzazz to the performances, especially the upbeat ones that I hadn't felt in New York and Wallingford but responses to music being the subjective things they are wasn't sure that the pazzazz wasn't coming from me. I would love to hear that tape.....It was the favorite of my three concerts. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:35:50 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: weight..njc wallyk wrote: >why do people struggle with their weight? within certain healthy parameters, >why can't one be chubby? >i was asked why i am * overweight* yesterday. the guy gave me three choices: >a- because i have a self-esteem problem; b- because all diets have failed, >and c- because i deny the existence of my body [!?!?!?!]. well, none of the >above, of course. as i said before, i'm aware of the dangers of obesity. I get this all the time too. Yes, I'm overweight, and I'm also aware of the dangers. But I exercise regularly, play sports, like cricket and golf, and I've never NOT been able to do anything because I was overweight. I used to regularly go to an aerobics class, but gave it up, because I wasn't even working up a sweat after an hour of exercise, so I'm certainly not unfit. My family (particularly my mother) are the most critical - always suggesting different diets, or suggesting that I should lose a few pounds. I was even sent to a psychiatrist as a teenager to find out why I was so overweight (and back then I wasn't that bad!). My friends don't give a damn (which is why they're my friends). I'm perfectly happy the way that I am, and I've never had trouble on the relationship front either. Some people can see past the physical, and some can't, but the ones that can't are missing out on a lot (no pun intended)! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:42:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite cd's In a message dated 6/9/00 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bozjojo@hotmail.com writes: << Forgive me all. But............ the first time I heard '2Against Nature' I realized that I had not just heard a great album. I decided it was the BEST album I've heard in my lifetime. My friend burned me a copy the day it was released and I haven't tired of it yet. >> This makes me sick -- you can proclaim it your favorite album yet you essentially "stole" it. Go BUY a copy, man. Show a little respect for the artists who created your "favorite" CD. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:43:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead (SJC) There has been some discussion today of Rosie O’Donnell’s weight, and about ill-received comments posted to the JMDL regarding overweight people. In the last couple of months, due to a nightly flirtation with Ben and Jerry and a dependence on the convenience of fast food, I’ve gained ten pounds. I know I’ll lose the weight now that the summer is here, but I feel much more guilty about this situation than I really ought to. This song is for all the allegedly well-meaning friends, the weight-obsessed media, and our shallow culture in general – in short, all the Dickheads who make people feel bad when they don’t conform to bogus ideals. I hope Joni doesn’t sue me, and that her purists don’t bring out the hammer and the boards and the nails… The Last Time I Saw Dickhead The last time I saw Dickhead was detox on April 8th And he told me all hedonists meet the same fate someday Spherical and plump and slurping something off some plastic tray You eat he said you live to consume Go look at your ass it's full of room You like drive-thru's and fast foods and greasy men who sell you All those greasy fries greasy fries When you gonna realize they're only greasy fries Only greasy fries just greasy fries I ate a Quarterpounder and pizza and I pushed Three fries in and then things began to blur And then bizarre babes came by with toothpick bodies that had no thighs And they said "Eat up now it's gettin' on time to purge" "Dickhead, you haven’t really changed" I said It's just that you should try supersizing that brain that’s in your head You got scones in your eyes and the things you like are creamy Eat them, they taste of life so sweet, life so sweet When you gonna get yourself back on red meat? Oh life can be so sweet Life so sweet Dickhead got hooked up to a big pacemaker And it sets off his fruit juicer and his heart defibrillator And he eats fat free now most nights with the IV on And all the good stuff locked up tight I'm gonna fill these love handles out I don't want nobody comin' over to my table I got nothing to talk to anybody about All hedonists pass this way some day Hidin’ out at food courts with plastic trays plastic trays Havin’ some pork chow foon before I get my Buff'lo wings to take away Only a phase these plastic tray days NP: M&M’s ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:53:31 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: your glam name (NJC whatsoever) I had WAAAY to much fun with this. I think I need sleep. Reuben (Pyrite Dandyponce) >From: jan gyn >Reply-To: jan gyn >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Fwd: OT: your glam name >Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:16:03 -0700 > >get your partae name here: >-jan (AKA 'Ginchy Featherpants') > > >http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:02:54 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: favorite cd's Why do people get so bent out of shape about burning CD's? It has been the norm for years to pirate cassette recordings. Tell me that you have never owned a pirated tape copy of an album that you didn't buy. (Please accept my apologies if you really never have :) ) I personally am a marketer's dream, and can't stand to have the music without the package, but I don't think that its morally reprehensible to copy music. What is the law? I'm curious. Reuben >From: IVPAUL42@aol.com >Reply-To: IVPAUL42@aol.com >To: bozjojo@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: favorite cd's >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:42:06 EDT > >In a message dated 6/9/00 11:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bozjojo@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Forgive me all. But............ the first time I heard '2Against Nature' >I > realized that I had not just heard a great album. I decided it was the >BEST > album I've heard in my lifetime. My friend burned me a copy the day it >was > released and I haven't tired of it yet. >> > >This makes me sick -- you can proclaim it your favorite album yet you >essentially "stole" it. Go BUY a copy, man. Show a little respect for the >artists who created your "favorite" CD. > >Paul I ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:02:52 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni at Camden WOW! From: Kakki > Thanks to the King of concert recordings, I received a tape of the Camden > concert today and have just played through the first few songs. Oh wow, > wow. > I haven't heard the tape, but I'm here to tell you that the Camden concert was among the best concerts I have ever attended. Before that event I held a very low opinion of BSN. in fact my end of a telephone conversation the day before the concert went something like this: "But I just don't like it.....I've certainly given it a chance..... it's not like I'm saying she sucks now.....why does she need 70 pieces?...Wouldn't 5 or 8 be better...and the tempo, man it's deadening. I was soooo wrong ( with, of course, a caveat: the tempo is different than the CD isn't it?) I haven't listened to BSN again since the concert last week, but I can still hear most of the songs as performed live...in my head. That has got to be proof of a great concert. Yesterday I listened to FTR, when the title track came up, I expected to hear the song as performed in Camden, I WANTED to hear it that way. > In a way it was certainly risky of Joni, Mendoza and Klein to just breeze > into town and rehearse for a few hours with the locals before show time, but > oooweee, it makes for marvelous spontaneity and the feel of hearing real, > ALIVE music happening and not the canned, go-through-the-motions performance > of a band that has done it over and over by rote in their sleep. Well said. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:50:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: European jmdlers?? Chris, Indeed! It just means that I'm too busy having my feelings hurt and conducting hate campaigns (!) to respond to your question. After all discussing Joni is why we're here. I'd like to hear a song from the troubled "Dog Eat Dog" set. Let's find out what one of those wonderful Joni lyrics sounds like without synths! I would normally dig out DED and find a good example but I have 37 taped boxes in this apartment, yearning for my attention! - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Chris > what songs > you would like to see done with an orchestra. No one responded, but as I'd > read earlier, that doesn't mean you're not loved or welcomed. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:52:46 -0600 From: evian Subject: Should I Stay or Should I Go? (To Canada) njc > Anyway, can anyone recommend a good place to stay? > Someplace relatively close to the airport? Are hotels possibly booked > already? I'm stressing about this decision! > > If you want to be by the airport, the Saskatoon Inn is quite close (but frigging pricey I think... but in U.S. dollars, it would probably be cheap), and there is also the Travelodge, the Sands, the Country Inns, and a few others. But seriously, downtown wouldn't be any more expensive, and it's not like you'd be hideously far from the airport or anything. If you want the low-down on anything, just drop me an email. Evian np: "Mind Over Matter" -- E.G. Daily ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:11:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: OT: your glam name njc well, from now on call me... Ferrari Mirrormullet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyk, not a relative of bob mullet's > get your partae name here: > -jan (AKA 'Ginchy Featherpants') > > > http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:48:49 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Play Joni Tribute Now Thanks Ken! I'll try it once I have broadband service restored. I guess I can take my RealAudio page down now! You've made me obsolete! You dog!! How did you discover those folks? Is your playlist supported free or do you pay a fee? > This link will directly start up winamp or any other > mp3 player you have configured and start playing the > songs from the Joni Mitchell Tribute Show. > This link can also be put on any web page to add > Joni content to it. > http://www.myplay.com/mp/playlist/now_playing.jsp?u=607455&plid=151001&start =1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:52:55 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: favorite cd's Reuben Bell wrote: > Why do people get so bent out of shape about burning CD's? It has been the > norm for years to pirate cassette recordings. Tell me that you have never > owned a pirated tape copy of an album that you didn't buy. (Please accept > my apologies if you really never have :) ) I personally am a marketer's > dream, and can't stand to have the music without the package, but I don't > think that its morally reprehensible to copy music. What is the law? I'm > curious. > > Reuben > The law is copying is OK for personal use ie a tape for the car, etc. Copyright is literally the right to copy, which is reserved for the copyright holder; either the creator of the work, or the entity assigned by her/him. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:51:11 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: CD Tracks. Thanks to everyone involved in making the two Joni sites so incredible. This is the finest company anyone could ever hope to be surrounded by. Last night, I was up into the wee hours working, with my head phones on, listening to DJRD. My boom box, which gets trouped to and fro, looked a tad bit worn and grimy. Potatoe chip crumbs in the cd well! I was certain the disk was going to skip but it sailed along nicely. --DJRD is such a great rhythmic cut. I especially enjoyed Paprika Plains, trying to envision how nice it would sound, added to the new recording Joni is working on!!-- Well, around the time The Silky Veils of Ardor queues up, the sound went really weird on my player. I was convinced for a moment that the box was simultaneously playing several songs on the disk all at once. ??? It took a while to figure out what was going on: My player had isolated one of the over dubed guitar tracks and muted all the others, including Joni's vocal. This track ran up front in the mix, clear as a bell, while the other tracks with vocal played muted behind it. It was an amazing musical experience! A wonderful lesson in accompanyment and harmony. My question is, how to get more!!!! ?????? It was very reserved play. Precise, yet very elegant. There are moments in the song where she would play but a single ringing note for several bars, followed by more silence, then break into a flourish of melody to punctuate the end of a phrase. The amazing thing is how perfectly this track added to the structure of the whole. It was like hearing Joni play, really play, for the first time. I loved it. So, does anyone know of equipment (inexpensive, of course) that would allow one to isolate tracks like this on a cd besides potatoe chips and grime? I would love to dissect the entire album like this. Think of the fun it would be to hear all those guitar parts in Cotton Ave. separate from each other? Or better still, to isolate the magic of John Guerin's drum masterpiece at the end of Paprika Plains, then listen to Joni's piano play without the orchestral elements behind her. This would be sooooo cool. Almost as much fun as music lessons from Mike Domyancich or Paz. Should anyone have a clue as to how one might perform this magic, please fill us in. In the meanwhile, I think I will go spread some peanut butter on the lens of my cd player... John in Dekalb, loving Joni; np BSN in my head... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:20:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: coupons njc i received this today. maybe you all can use it too. wallyk, waiting for his car on the hill, but there's still no buzzer ... > Dear Barnes & Noble.com Customer: > > I wanted to personally take this opportunity to thank you for > being our customer and share with you one of our best coupons > yet - $10 off $30. > > > Our June coupon code GIFTDAD is your ticket to $10 off your > purchase of $30 or more. This limited- > time offer expires June 18th, so don't miss this opportunity. > Click here now for details and instructions: > http://email.bn.com/cgi-bin6/flo?x=dKmABBhYowEKEBum > > > And thank you for shopping with Barnes & Noble.com > > Sincerely, > > Rosemary Johnson > Director, Customer Relations > > PLEASE NOTE: > If you do not wish to receive future e-mail updates, > please click here: > http://email.bn.com/cgi-bin6/profile?x=dKmABBhYowuAuw > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:34:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: momo njc but btc i just can't believe how f_ing cool bryan's cd is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm playing track 11 "momo" full blast [3:30 am here and WINTER!] and i'm loving it. and it's great goat dance music too! wallyk, in awe [to think i followed HIS set...i must be chutzpah incarnate] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:44:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: city, jungle, suburb, SJC Wow Bruce, Or as Kakki would say, "Oh my, Bruce. Oh my." I love this type of writing. I call it lit-crit. Literary critique. This is the kind of depth that I find so rich and rewarding in Joni's lyrics, her stories. Your post is a perfect example of what's so rewarding (to me) about the List. Lamadoo np: "DJRD", and no, I'm not making it up. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Merrill" > Last week I suggested that the most important theme that rendered Hissing a > "total work" was the chronology within, the way that the songs were > positioned in sequence on the arc of life. > > (Since then someone described how her current show is also structured as a > chronology, in this case the chronology of a generic love affair. But they > were not enjoying how explicit and didactic she was in guiding her audience > along the chronology...) > > Now I would submit that the second most important theme, and the one that > indicates > why it is "graphically" a "total work" is the theme that she puts before us > when we first pick up this creation of hers: the triangle of city, jungle, > suburb-- a triangle which is both a matter of location and culture. > > On the cover we find: the city in the background, and a jungle scene (with > snake) in the foreground. It's an implausible dualism. (Someone from > Tasmania suggested that the city was growing out of the jungle, which might > make sense from a Tasmanian perspective. But while cities grow out of the > jungle in Asia and South American and Africa, they do not do so in North > America, Joni's part of the world.) > > On the back is an affluent suburban enclave, a little island of wealth. > This is not located within the jungle (in North America), but nonetheless > located within the green of nature, and so is a kind of intermediary place > between the undeveloped and the urban. > > When we listen to Hissing, we find out (as the curious title has already > hinted) that the dualism which the cover present us with, is not as acute > as we supposed: > > Firstly, the jungle and the snake are in the city-- in a metaphoric sense. > The disruptive "Jungle Line" is about stumbling upon the jungle and snake > in the city. Within the arc of life that Joni sets out, it pertains to > initial adulthood: Hitting urban adulthood hard, the innocent girl (from > the Canadian plains) stumbling down into the bohemian urban jungly > nether-world, a world of primitive predation and primitive, addictive > self-destruction. The underlying jungle drums signal a musical and lyrical > disruption of the happier days of "In France." Now you suddenly realize > that this isn't Court and Spark, Pt. II. "I don't think we're in Alberta > anymore, Toto!" > > Secondly, the snake is in the suburbs: the lawns are hissing. The idyllic > enclave turns out to be the site of a troubled marriage, the tense, > materialist, "fading," suburban circumstance... Joni presents marriage as > essentially a matter of materialism and > possession (esp. the possession of the wife). In sum, a bad outcome, > exchanging youthful unmarried romance for mere things. > > The question remains, has Joni made it to her idyllic suburban Southern > California enclave and successfully escaped the snake? Well, she isn't > married, is she? She's still pursuing the busy romances of the unencumbered > celebrity. We find her in her suburban pool, but lolling about in her > bikini, outside of marriage, still "shining" like the gorgeous erotic > apparition that Harry determined to reel in when he saw her emerging from > the pool. Nonetheless, she can hear the lawns hissing. So, are these her > neighbor's lawns, our her own? > > Bruce Merrill > > PS One of the great strengths of this album lies in Joni's ability to move > from the observed, generic, third person view to the autobiographical, and > back again. The more or less autobiographical songs in Hissing being: In > France (yes?), the Boho Dance, Sweet Bird (most autobiographical and most > liked, I believe), Shadows and Light. I'm sure this back and forth is also > in evidence in the manner in which she approaches her current show. It's a > measure of her surprising intelligence. Go Joni go! > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #321 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?