From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 320 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Saskatoon Jazzfest Correction NJC [susan+rick ] Boston: May 28 [Robert Holliston ] Translation ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Jenny in CT (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Saskatoon Jazzfest Correction NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Steely Dan (SJC) [Howard Wright ] European jmdlers?? [TheHotelNH@aol.com] RE: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Steely Dan (SJC) ["Eric G. Postel" ] Re: Joni gets Burgers (extremely silly content) [B Merrill ] AZ radio station [Bounced Message ] Re: Steely Dan (SJC) [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: Steely Dan (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Steely Dan (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Circle Game [RandyRemote ] Re: Steely Dan (SJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Steely Dan (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Circle Game [Jerry Notaro ] Jesus, Joni, Metheny and Kenny G [Louis Lynch ] toon town here we come (sorta jc) [evian ] Re: Steely Dan (now NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: rosie and her weight..njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: AZ radio station (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Translation [Mark Domyancich ] Should I Stay or Should I Go? (To Canada) ["kerry" ] Re: Translation [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] hannibal (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Another cover (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Fwd: OT: your glam name [jan gyn ] passion play, redux [RickieLee1@aol.com] mu (SJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni reference on Rosie [Phyliss Ward ] Re: rosie and her weight..njc [MGVal@aol.com] munchies njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Fwd: OT: your glam name NJC [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 00:16:09 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Saskatoon Jazzfest Correction NJC It turns out that it is not Diana Krall performing in Sask the weekend of the Mendel opening but Holly Cole, another Canadian jazz singer but one who has no Joni connection that I know of. Also the Friday night show is in Regina not Saskatoon. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 02:43:37 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Boston: May 28 Hey y'all! I travelled from Vancouver, B.C. to Boston for Joni, and am I glad I did!! From my very good seat (thank you, ric!) I could do one of two things: appreciate Joni's artistry (which I did), and learn that planes take off from Logan airport every 90 seconds. Tailwinds were kind to me: I was prepared (because we had a stopover at O'Hare) to miss the concert altogether. But I got to Boston in time to check in to my hotel, meet ric and Marieve for dinner, and go to the concert. I've never posted about BSN because I was a bit underwhelmed. Singing the songs live, more than halfway through her tour, Joni was amazing: her performance felt spontaneous, which is what I missed on the CD. Occasionally the huge orchestra overwhelmed her (it was essentially an outdoor venue, always an acoustical nightmare), but Joni was captivating and intense and always in the moment. As Ashara has already mentioned, the audience was really kind of rude. People in our row kept pushing past us in mid-song to go get a beer (ric finally turned to me and remarked, "This is getting tedious!!"). I have to say that I'm still a bit lukewarm about the BSN CD. I wish she'd toured with this material before she recorded it, because she seemed so much more relaxed in Boston (and I gather she was even better in Connecticut) than she seems to be on the recording (just my opinion, folks ;-) As so many people have said, the best thing was spending time with fellow JMDLers. After the show, we all met in the lobby (there was no room at the bar) of a fancy-schmantzy hotel. It was wonderful to see Ashara and Maggie again; longtime listers will already know that ric and I have become great friends offlist as well as on. It was great to see him again, and to meet Larry Klein in his company (ric got the autograph; I was too shy to do anything but shake hands with the ex-husband, musical director, and bass player of/for Joni Mitchell). The next day, many happy hours with two of my favorite people: Chuck E and Barbara. Looking so forward to seeing you guys again this Labor Day weekend!! Speaking of fellow JMDLers, I spent three wonderful days in New York City, mostly in the company of lister Patrick Leader and once and future lister Kay Ashley. The three of us went to Judy's Chelsea to hear the extraordinary David Lahm and his extroardinarily talented wife Judy pay tribute to David's legendary mother, Dorothy Fields. It was a great evening! I recommend Judy's Chelsea to anyone visiting New York - even if the one and only David Lahm isn't performing, there will be a good pianist/singer entertaining at the bar, and they make one heck of a good martini (attention Kakki ;-) What a great thing it was to travel to the East Coast and spend all my time with fellow JMDLers! This time, Joni was the icing on the cake.......... Cheers and love to all, Roberto ps. as for Christgau, he's never liked "folkies" or singer-songwriters. With due (and considerable, and genuine) respect to David Wright, it's hard to take the guy seriously. I mean, he gives albums a letter grade, for f***ing out loud! Plus, even when he praised Joni, there was always a misogynistic feel about it. Just my opinion, folks, but it's very true ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:14:38 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Translation hey everyone do you know any translation of joni's lyrics that was published? did joni ever allow her words to be translated? if so - were the translations published? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:53:06 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Jenny in CT (njc) Is anyone in touch with Jennifer Nodine ("Jenny in CT")? I know she's in a difficult health battle; I think about her and wish her well. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:04:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Saskatoon Jazzfest Correction NJC <> This would be GOOD news as far as I'm concerned; Holly covers "River" on her "Dark Dear Heart" disc, which is produced by Larry Klein. So there is plenty of Joni connection. Holly also did an ENTIRE disc of Tom Waits songs, endearing herself to me for life in the process! She's got lots of other discs out, and I keep meaning to check them out, but a pittance of money only goes so far... Bob NP: The Beatles, "Hey Bulldog" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:12:28 +0100 From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) <> Bob wrote: <> Ok, you got me going with this one! Three of my favourite topics combined: Joni, Steely Dan and chords! As it happens, I'm some way through writing a little web page on the Steely Dan mu-major chord. This is my take: The basic mu-major chord is a standard major chord with an added 2nd, so you end up with the root (1st), 2nd, maj 3rd and 5th. In "normal" language, you would call it an "add2" chord. This chord is not unique to the Dan, though they used it more than others, and when mixed with other jazzy Dan-type chords, it has quite a different effect. The way the chord is voiced affects the sound. The "early period" mu-major has the root in the bass, and the 2nd and 3rd next to each other, creating a nice dissonance. E.g, an A mu-major might be voiced (low to high) A E B C# (on the guitar: x0242x). Songs that are full of this kind of mu-major include Rikki, Dr Wu, Razor Boy ... In later Dan albums (Scam and after) they started using a mu voicing where the 3rd is in the bass, so you don't have the 2nd/3rd dissonance effect, but get a more spacey, jazzy sounding thing. This type of mu-major is voiced (in the key of A): C# B E A (on the guitar: 04x455). Think of the chorus line of Deacon Blues ("call me DBlues"). The chord on "call" is the mu-major voiced with 3rd in the bass. The intro to DB also uses this same chord. What has all this got to do with Joni? As we know, she is a big fan of "weird" chords, and like the Dan, likes to spice things up with some dissonance. Her guitar tunings are the main way she manages this, and probably her most frequently used tuning is - yes, you guessed it - a MU MAJOR chord! The tuning is (in the key of C): Joni notation: C 77235 note names: C G D E G C It's the D note (the 2nd in the key of C) that adds the spice, and gives Joni's characteristic major and minor style chords a nice twist. There are 13 songs that use this generic tuning listed in the jmdl guitar database. BTW, the latest Dan album, Two against Nature, uses plenty of Mu-major chords - Becker and Fagen are still finding good uses for this one! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:18:46 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Circle Game In a message dated 6/8/00 2:11:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leslie@torchsongs.com writes: << Vince, I've confirmed that Buffy Ste. Marie performed "The Circle Game" in the soundtrack of the film, "The Strawberry Statement." Mystery solved. Leslie >> Yes, and isn't it her who sings "Songs to Aging Children Come" in "Alice's Restaurant"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) <> Thanks for bailing me out, Howard! I knew I had read about that "Mu-major" concept but couldn't express it musically - you filled in the gap in a fascinating way. I was half afraid that Walter and Donald were just making all that stuff up to sucker naive chumps like me... Mini-mu, you complete me! :~D So what songs of Joni's are mu'd (he asked, creating a new verb in the process)? Bob NP: The Beatles, "Nowhere Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:00:07 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: rosie and her weight..njc a few weeks ago a new comer on the list posted about a bad experience he had with rosie o'donnell. she had been rude to him in the studio. and he also referred to her as a disgusting pig. and later, he referred to someone else as having gotten..'so fat'. i did not react to that post because the writer was new. but now, i find myself still bothered by that post and i have this to say to that writer and he knows who he is. i have struggled all my life with my weight. if you saw me in a suit, you would never know. but if you saw what was underneath, or worse yet, on the inside, you would see marks of shame and guilt. for me to see the words..disgusting pig ..or...so fat...on this list where i go to see my friends makes me very uncomfortable. as uncomfortable if you had said...nigger...or fag. so i would greatly appreciate it if you would refrain from voicing yourself in such a degrading way. and i wish i had spoken sooner on this issue. and i also know from your posts you are from philly. and philly is a rough town and people talk like that there all the time. so i don't judge you for that kind of talk and i know maybe you are not used to some of the softer sides of people expressed on this list. so if my soft side is uncomfortable for you as i have written above here, let me say the same thing another way to make it clearer for you. i too am from philly. south philly. and i know how to stand my ground. and if you call anyone ..so fat or ...disgusting pig.. on this list again, i will fuck with you on every post you make until you abandon the list. but that is not my preference. my preference is what i wrote above, that you be understanding of other people's struggles. even people who may have been rude to you. thank you for your consideration. patrick mcfadden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 06:13:59 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Saskatoon Jazzfest Correction NJC susan+rick wrote: > It turns out that it is not Diana Krall performing in Sask the weekend of > the Mendel opening but Holly Cole, another Canadian jazz singer but one who > has no Joni connection that I know of. Also the Friday night show is in > Regina not Saskatoon. Actually, if memory serves, Holly is also managed by Sam Feldman's group. Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:01:59 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC) On the subject of... > >Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > >> Now, now, now. Donald and Walter are the shit. That is a middle American >> compliment of the highest order. Who cares if one is bald and the other >> looks like a singing accountant? >> Some of my best friends are accountants, right MG? Does everyone have to >> look like Jagger?? I hope not because I look like that scary guy who wrote >> "Cujo". :) >> >> Lamadoo > Those of you who have met our Jim know that he doesn't look a thing like scary old Stephen King, but like an older, taller version of Alex P. Keaton! That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it! Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >(on Dog Eat Dog) Lyrically, it's > sophomoric, even childish in many ways. > P.S. Oh and by the way, Catgirl, I delete 90% of > your silly little posts > before reading them, too. I was going to spend a little time on a quip about this ... then I realized it pretty much speaks for itself. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:41:07 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: rosie and her weight..njc <> Patrick I feel bad for you that you let my comment upset you so much, however it was not MY comment that made you feel bad but how you feel about yourself. If you read the post correctly, you have read that I met Rosie back stage at a concert and I thought she was a person with Downs Syndrome and later found it to be Rosie. My "PIG"comment was directed towards here behavior towards other people and myself. In terms of being from Philly, I have lived all over the country and work in three states during the course of the week so my mental capabilities reach further than "Philly" or "South Philly". Your offering of "fucking with all my posts and then rescinding that offer is sad in itself and that is all I'll say about that. My suggestion to you is to have better self esteem ( it is a wonderful thing to have) you deserve it just being on this list in itself. Also if you have a personal problem with someone keep it off the list and go with a personal reply. You can contact me that way if you so desire. Lastly, you got offended and you run to the terms "fag" and "nigger", that came out of your mouth and keyboard not mine, how do you know that I am not a "fat, fag, N word? (oh yeah and a jew ) Dave c PS the fat comment I made was over what KD wore at the tribute show. The comments were in regard to why did she wear that, someone made a joke if I recall that insignificant moment and I replied that she was hiding her how fat she got. Fact of life here, PEOPLE DO THAT WHEN THEY GAIN WEIGHT. That doesn't make them bad people or the people that notice it. PPS I had also made a comment about my weight gain over the years, did you notice that one? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:47:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC) Hi, Sue. Who's Alex P. Keaton? "Boston Jim" P.S. I looked at Jim's visage in a picture from the PazFest and thought that, yes, he does bear a slight resemblance to Stephen King. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) :-) > Those of you who have met our Jim know that he doesn't look a thing like > scary old Stephen King, but like an older, taller version of Alex P. Keaton! > > That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it! > > Sue Cameron > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: rosie and her weight..njc On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > Also if you have a personal problem with someone keep it off > the list and go with a personal reply. You can contact me that way if you so You both would have done well to follow your own advice. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:59:26 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: re: toronto article Thanks so much, Scott, for posting the link to that article. It was a wonderful read. I loved the quote that she came from "sky-oriented people." - --Chris NP: Joni at the Corel Center ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:08:54 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: rosie and her weight..njc >if you have a personal problem with someone keep it off the list and go with a >personal reply. You can contact me that way if you so desire. Sounds like a plan! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:07:26 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: European jmdlers?? Hi everyone - I'm going to be leaving next week to do a 2-week homestay in York, England. That will end June 27. After that, I'm going to be travelling through Ireland, London, Paris, Brussels, and up in Amsterdam to fly home. I'm going by myself (I'm a teacher, so my friends are all working over the summer), so I was wondering if there are other jmdlers that live in those areas. It's probably a wild shot, but I figured that if I wasn't going to pass through where some of you guys live, maybe you could at least point me in the direction of some neat places to visit. I don't post very much - I posted the question earlier asking what songs you would like to see done with an orchestra. No one responded, but as I'd read earlier, that doesn't mean you're not loved or welcomed. :) Anyway, for one more reintroduction...my name's Chris, I'm 23, I'm writing from Birmingham, Alabama. I teach seventh and eigth grade English and Lit. We even studied some Joni at the beginning of the year - there was a project in their book to write a song, and "The Circle Game" was the model for that activity. They seemed to enjoy that. After that, whenever they heard some mention of Joni (like the TNT special), they'd let me know. Hopefully I've planted some seeds. Hope to hear from some of you. Feel free to e-mail me privately. Take care, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:28:48 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: James L. Leonard Who's Alex P. Keaton? Alex P. Keaton was Michael J. Fox's character on the show Family Ties from the 80's. Take care Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:30:31 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: European jmdlers?? Hi, Chris. Btw...I thought yours was an excellent question! I was hoping it would get picked up and debated at length. Maybe it will, now that some attention will likely be given to speculation on the next album. I'm a newbie, too. I just "go for it." :-) "Boston Jim" > I don't post very much - I posted the question earlier asking what songs > you would like to see done with an orchestra. > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:31:56 -0500 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Steely Dan (SJC) Okay, another uninformed opinion here. I love steely dan. I sat in the first row to see them in 1993, have all the records, collected concert recordings of them, etc. But, I for one can not put them as high on the list as Joni because they do not match up on the innovation/evolution count. Their sound on the current record is not much different from 20 years ago. Indeed most of their CDs are similar. Oh I know there are solos that are different, horns, etc. But not the scale of change and experimentation and evolution shown in For The Roses> Heijira>DED>BSN. For me, this quality is one of the things that boosts some of my favorites from love to the hall of fame (&love). So, for me its Joni, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen and a couple of others. Have a nice weekend, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:34:31 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni gets Burgers (extremely silly content) Can anyone more theologically adept than I please explain Why the baby Christ is being proffered a hamburger?? Why the adult Jesus is preaching to two people with hamburgers for heads???? For I too wish to pass over Cotton Avenue and through the golden arches, with my side order of fries! - --verily, Bruce M NP: Arthur Brown, "Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:41:58 -0700 From: Catherine Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) NJC > > > >--- Deb Messling wrote: > >> Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm > How come every time I get on this site and try to take the death test, my computer completely crashes? I am beginning to suspect Someone is not amused . . . . :-) Catherine T. in exile in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:32:19 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) (md) Just talked to a close knowledgeable friend who went to the Steely Dan concert and he absolutely raved about it and said he was absolutely bewildered by the review as if it had to be some other show than the one he went to. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:44:06 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Dog eat Dolby/My Dog Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:22:28 -0400 From: vivienne j wildes My dog, Max, loves Dog Eats Dog and howls to Coming in from the Rain each time it's played. I agree that considering what was coming out in the 80's at the time, Dog Eats Dog was right there with them, but so was Chalk Mark in A Rain Storm. It has Billy Ido and Willy Nelson on it, for example. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:45:03 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: AZ radio station From: Mike.Oka@integris.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:03:50 -0700 Kakki wrote: When they first hit the radio waves, I was in college in Arizona. Phoenix was a very small, dusty town back then but it had incredible music and a radio station that beat any in L.A. (Don't remember the call letters)... Was it KDKB with a DJ named Toad Hall? There is another radio station here, KYOT (Coyote), that uses part of Sex Kills when plugging their own station. But I rarely hear them play any Joni. Mike NP Jill Sobule - Stoned Soul Picnic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:35 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) Eric, Interesting. As far as the innovation/evolution count - it's Neil Young (who I absolutely LOVE) who doesn't match up in my view. I don't see *growth* of the kind Joni has demonstrated in Neil or Bruce (who I also count as one of the world's finest songwriter's and spirits! ) If you want to talk innovation/evolution - Joni's rivals could be Laurie Anderson, David Byrne, The Roches & the like. Folks not stuck in *style*. Who else? Paul Simon? Peg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:22:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (NJC) <> Yes, Eric, I too am astounded by the growth of Neil Young...just listen to how far he's come from "Harvest" to "Silver & Gold"! LOL!! Just having a bit o' fun with you, mate, your point is well taken...part of SD's appeal to me is their RESISTANCE to change. It's nice to not have to listen to a fave's new release, keeping your fingers crossed that you like their new direction. I think Becker & Fagen found a niche, that's where their muse lies, and they follow it with the same tenacity as does Joni, Bruce, and co. Besides, there is quite a bit of difference from the "Can't Buy a Thrill - Pretzel Logic" era to the "Aja - Two Against Nature" era...maybe they just get bigger budgets now! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:23:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (NJC) <> Yes, Eric, I too am astounded by the growth of Neil Young...just listen to how far he's come from "Harvest" to "Silver & Gold"! LOL!! Just having a bit o' fun with you, mate, your point is well taken...part of SD's appeal to me is their RESISTANCE to change. It's nice to not have to listen to a fave's new release, keeping your fingers crossed that you like their new direction. I think Becker & Fagen found a niche, that's where their muse lies, and they follow it with the same tenacity as does Joni, Bruce, and co. Besides, there is quite a bit of difference from the "Can't Buy a Thrill - Pretzel Logic" era to the "Aja - Two Against Nature" era...maybe they just get bigger budgets now! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:43:49 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Circle Game IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I've confirmed that Buffy Ste. Marie performed "The > Circle Game" in the soundtrack of the film, "The Strawberry > Statement." > > Mystery solved. > > Leslie >> > > Yes, and isn't it her who sings "Songs to Aging Children Come" in "Alice's > Restaurant"? > > Paul I No, in Alice's Restuarant it was sung by some blonde long- haired Joni lookalike. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:49:42 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) Peg, I'd agree with you to a large extend about Springsteen, but not Neil Young. He's embarked on a wide variety of stylistic experiments, resulting in, as David Geffen put it in his lawsuit against Neil, "unrepresentative" albums like Trans (techno-pop), Everybody's Rockin' ('50s rockabilly), Old Ways (mainstream country), and then This Note's For You (blues and r&b) once back on Reprise. He's always been all over the map, even as far back as the Buffalo Springfield. "Boston Jim" > Interesting. As far as the innovation/evolution count - it's Neil Young (who I > absolutely LOVE) who doesn't match up in my view. I don't see *growth* of > the kind Joni has demonstrated in Neil or Bruce (who I also count as one > of the world's finest songwriter's and spirits! ) If you want to talk > innovation/evolution - Joni's rivals could be Laurie Anderson, David Byrne, > The Roches & the like. Folks not stuck in *style*. Who else? Paul Simon? > > Peg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:00:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Steely Dan (NJC) Wiseguy. :-) > > Yes, Eric, I too am astounded by the growth of Neil Young...just listen to how far he's come from "Harvest" to "Silver & Gold"! LOL > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:59:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Circle Game RandyRemote wrote: > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > > I've confirmed that Buffy Ste. Marie performed "The > > Circle Game" in the soundtrack of the film, "The Strawberry > > Statement." > > > > Mystery solved. > > > > Leslie >> > > > > Yes, and isn't it her who sings "Songs to Aging Children Come" in "Alice's > > Restaurant"? > > > > Paul I > > No, in Alice's Restuarant it was sung by some blonde long- > haired Joni lookalike. That well known singer, Tigger Outlaw. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:05:45 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Jesus, Joni, Metheny and Kenny G Hi all, Just visited the askjesus.org website to see the send-up of the Joni page. How excellent! I'm so glad people in the world still have time to waste on silly stuff like this. Great find, Deb Messling? Kudos! I also visited the Pat Metheny website recommended by James Leonard. Metheny's comments on Kenny G are soulless and infantile. When I recounted that my brother Craig had a bad experience with Metheny's attitude, several people on the list told me it was unlike everything they knew about him. They led me to believe my opinion about Metheny was wrong and that perhaps my bro might have just had a singular bad experience in his youth. But, really, any musician who publishes such broiling and pointed criticism of another musician in public doesn't match up with the sweetly wonderful laid-back person some professed Metheny to be. Surely, Kenny G cannot be as horrible a musician as Metheny claims. Metheny makes Kenny G out to be the antichrist or something. It's exactly the kind of attitude my brother described from working with him 12 years ago. He crushed those young musicians with his condemning comments. And Metheny's comments about working with Joni weren't that favorable either. Whether you say he's a nice guy or not, his writing displays a prima donna jazz attitude. If Metheny thinks that Kenny G, by his playing, doesn't truly understand the art of music. Then I think that Metheny, by his own writing, doesn't truly understand the soul of music. I never figured out why some musicians are so much like that.... "It's not music if it's not classical. It's not REAL country music. So-and-so isn't a TRUE jazz player. It's not authentic Irish music." Especially when the true geniuses in the world of music have historically been those brave enough to transcend the boundaries and mix the styles. Joni added Burundi to pop -- was it authentic Burundi and was it still pop? I've heard her criticized for not being a real jazz singer, not being true to the folk idiom, etc. Yet, her influence is present on so many styles of modern music. But, that doesn't seem to matter. Some people (like Metheny in this case) feel justified in criticizing people for not living up to their own personalized view of the world. I guess that's why I own more than 20 of Joni Mitchell's works. And no Metheny albums. Joni's view of the world suits me much better. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:26:30 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) My reaction is similar in that I'd concur that SD are less open and restless as "our Joni." On the other hand: I tuned into their recent PBS presentation of their latest stuff and was struck by how sophisticated their songs had become (something they've evolved to) but also how routinized, almost formulaic they now seemed. So I think that when you go back and listen to, e.g. Pretzel Logic, you find songs that are simpler (certainly simpler in their arrangement) but also more diverse in subject matter and style. So, in one regard (esp arrangement) they've advanced, but with a reduction of scope. Perhaps if I listened more closely to their recent material, it would seem more diverse...? Hopefully, Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:51:55 -0600 From: evian Subject: toon town here we come (sorta jc) > How will we Listers identify ourselves to each other? Hearts on sleeves? > Tattoos on foreheads? Pre-arranged meeting place? Evian, you may be our only > source of Toontown info. Any favourite spot you think would be a good place > to meet up sometime on Friday? > > Gotta make this quick since I am on a lunchbreak (but I come home and check my email.... I need a life). Anyhooo, as I've said, let's count heads and figure out where everyone is staying. I imagine we'll all be in the same area, so we could set a time to meet or whatever sometime in the afternoon if y'all want? Let me know where y'all are staying (Angelino Coyote, what's the addy on your hotel -- I can't place it) and then maybe we can figure something out. Northern Katie, are you hoteling it or staying with relatives/friends? I say that since people seem to be coming all over the world for this thing, according to the G&M, that we get to the Mendel damn early!!!! Anyway, for those of you who haven't told me where you are staying and when you are getting in, drop me a line. Evian NPIMH: "Reeling in the Years," thanks to the SD posts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Steely Dan (now NJC) - --- "Eric G. Postel" wrote: > Okay, another uninformed opinion here. I love > steely dan. Their sound on > the current record is not much different from 20 > years ago. I think of the Dan like I think of Jack Nicholson's acting ... Jack doesn't take a whole lot of direction, but you know damned well you're gonna get a fine performance. Or if you prefer, to paraphrase a favorite number of mine from the Broadway musical 'Lil Abner': What Steely Dan's got left over is more than what most folks starts out with. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:16:51 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: rosie and her weight..njc you know,.... y'all are absolutely right. i don't know what happens to me. every so often i just get crazy like that. my apologies to all. pat ne. peppridge farm orange milano and diet mountain dew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:06:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: AZ radio station (NJC) Mike identified the radio station in AZ: > Was it KDKB with a DJ named Toad Hall? YES! I remember it having my initials "KB" in it ;-) Is the station still around? I had it playing 24/7 back then and I owe them for my first listens of FTR and Court and Spark! > There is another radio station here, KYOT (Coyote), that rarely hear them play any Joni. Now with a name like that it and the plug it seems to me that some letter writing is in order to get them on the right track ;-) Kakki NP: Steely Dan - My Old School (seriously, I did not plan this selection to go with my post!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:30:38 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Translation I remember hearing someone had an Italian copy of The Complete Poems and Lyrics... there may be other translations out there. Anywho, try a translation service on the web if you can't find anything. NP-Stone Temple Pilots, Sour Girl At 10:14 AM +0000 6/9/00, Ada Wittenberger wrote: >hey everyone >do you know any translation of joni's lyrics that was published? did >joni ever allow her words to be translated? if so - were the >translations published? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:56:40 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Should I Stay or Should I Go? (To Canada) Help! I'm having a last minute dilemma about possibly going to Saskatoon. The other day I just thought to my self, WHY NOT GO? SHE'S actually going to be there!!! Anyway, can anyone recommend a good place to stay? Someplace relatively close to the airport? Are hotels possibly booked already? I'm stressing about this decision! (If I go, my next dilemma will be what to say to Joni if I actually meet her. I don't think standing there like a deer in the headlights would be a good idea. And probably what will happen!!) Thanks, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:20:26 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Translation In a message dated 6/9/00 3:23:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wittadi@hotmail.com writes: << hey everyone do you know any translation of joni's lyrics that was published? did joni ever allow her words to be translated? if so - were the translations published? >> Hello Ada, Yes, I know of at least one translation of Joni's Lyrics because I bought it, a long time ago when I was travelling in Italy, back in 1984. The book is a small paperback, and the cover shows the same picture of Joni as is on the inside of Miles of Aisles--her with guitar and a smile wearing that sequined jacket...On this cover it says "Autori vari" in small print at the top, then "Joni Mitchell," above the picture. Below the picture sits the name of the publisher, "Gammalibri." Inside are short essays on all of her albums up to Shadows and Light, and translations of most of the songs (into Italian, of course) from each album following its short introduction. Inside, on one of the opening pages there is a short production note which reads: Pubblicazione periodica mensile Autorizzazione Tribunale di Milano n. 210 del 10.5.78 Direttore responsible Domenico Nodari. Then, at the bottom of that page, it says: Proprieta letteraria riservata Copyright 1982 editrice Gammalibri Milano Prima edizione ottobre 1982. Well, that's what I know. Any more questions please feel free to ask. regards, r Well that ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:55:12 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) oh for chrissakes, here we go...what starts out as a little barbed humor is heading south. all my fault, since i started it (sort of.) i was only KIDDING...i am MORE than delighted to have ANYone admire me for ANY reason you can name. including, but thankfully not limited to saint paul. and EYE am the one around this joint who's the delicate hothouse flower, so if ANYone is gonna get their back up about ANYthing, it should be me... anyway, play nice, to the extent that you are able mr i., which, if truth be told... and just to be fair, i TOLD you all i would come back someday and kick ass. well, i'm back. and it serves you right! now, if you will excuse me, i am retiring to my greenhouse and soak my weary roots. peace! ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:16:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: hannibal (NJC) catgirl, don't feel bad about it!!!! paul FILTERS my posts OUT! you he's bored with; me he's sick of!!!! maybe he was thinking of me when he puked all over his copy of DED! was it at least a fine dinner you threw up, paul? i deserve no less than somebody's liver, fava beans and a fine chianti... wallyk > P.S. Oh and by the way, Catgirl, I delete 90% of your silly little posts > before reading them, too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:17:04 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Another cover (NJC) I don't know how obscure we want to get here, but folkie slide guitarist Orville Johnson covers "I Don't Where I Stand" on his CD Slide & Joy. It's on his own label. He frequently tours with Mark Graham, author of some very funny, and very strange songs like "Their Brains Were Small and They Died" and "I've Seen Your Aura and It's Ugly". The track is NOT listed on the back traycard. No, I don't have the CD. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:16:03 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: OT: your glam name get your partae name here: - -jan (AKA 'Ginchy Featherpants') http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:20:54 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: passion play, redux now, for something completely different...(god, am i the only one these days who gets nervous posting to this touchy list?) i know that folks may be tired of this song, namely, "passion play", but its like a sore tooth for me. i just can't quite leave it alone for very long. we have discussed in the past, on more than one occaision, the perplexing lines "exxon blue and radiation rose", which, despite the considerable pooled wisdom of this list, still remain intractably obtuse to me...but how about that last verse? i know the "killer nails" refers to the crucifixion, when jesus was so rudely applied to his cross, but what about those lines: ""divinely barren, and wickedly wise...the killer nails are ringing." what might that mean, joniacs??? to provide context: "all around the market place / the buzzing of the flies / the buzzing and the sting / divinely barren and wickedly wise / the killer nails are ringing" huh? i love this song. i love the sound of it, the bass line, the chorus, but - next to "don't interrupt the sorrow" is there any more inaccessible song in joni mitchell's canon than this one? in a way, it is more frustrating than DITS, since that one is SO off the charts, there is no impulse to even TRY to unravel its meaning. (at least with me) i just go with it. but this song seems to just hover on the cusp of understanding, but never quite falls over to the right side. it is clearly about that simon guy from some sunday school song i almost remember. the guy who was too short to see jesus over the crowd, and climbed up some tree (a sycamore, i guess) to get a better view. and i think it is a beautiful, and interesting portrait of this man; this "sinner of some position". but then it goes off with these strange images (exxon and radiation? in a song about the ancient bible times???) and WHAT is divinely barren (and while we're at it, what does THAT mean?) and wickedly wise? the buzzing flies? the ringing nails? the song is a very tough nut to crack, and it sticks in my throat everytime i hear it. (is this an indication of its greatness, or does it suggest it is one of her lesser lyrical efforts. what good is art if no one can understand it?) someday, when joni and i glide off in her limo, i intend to ask her about it. and i will be sure to post you her enlightening explanation of it all. until then, i will be interested in anything you guys might have to say. awaiting your advices... peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:23:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mu (SJC) howard, is the first chord on paprika plains a mu chord then? wallyk > The basic mu-major chord is a standard major chord with an added 2nd, so > you end up with the root (1st), 2nd, maj 3rd and 5th. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:24:43 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni reference on Rosie Can you believe there was *another* reference to Joni on Rosie today?! Kelsey (spelling?) Grammar (geez! is this English class? ) a/k/a Frasier was the guest. Rosie proceeds to tell him that she was going to name her daughter Kelsey but people said it was a boys name because of him so she named her Chealsea instead. Kelsey then said that people used to say to him "Wake up, it's a Kelsey morning" and Rosie proceeded to sing "and the first thing that I saw". That's it Phyliss, who told the whole PazFest Story to her housekeeper/buddy today. She's on the Sammy Haagar list and does stuff with them too including trips to some bar in Cabo San Lucas that Sammy owns and plays at. Anyway, she understands : - D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:24:44 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: rosie and her weight..njc In a message dated 6/9/00 6:11:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << i have struggled all my life with my weight. if you saw me in a suit, you would never know. but if you saw what was underneath, or worse yet, on the inside, you would see marks of shame and guilt. for me to see the words..disgusting pig ..or...so fat...on this list where i go to see my friends makes me very uncomfortable. as uncomfortable if you had said...nigger...or fag. >> Count me in with this one, Pat. As a matter of fact, I was speaking with list member Brian Gross about this one and mentioned that I would not respond but would let it blow over. It still rattles me. Like you, I have always struggled with my weight from the time I was 15 and problems with my father started to happen. Although I like the way I look now, next to my insecurities about my hearing, it remains one of my most vulnerable areas. My excessive weight as a teenager was not the result of mindless twinkie indulgence, but a symptom of severe psychological and emotional stress. To call someone a disgusting pig or fat is, for me, the utmost in disrespect for a fellow human being, right along with "fag" or "n - - - - - " as Pat pointed out. Disagree with Rosie, take exception to her actions, but do it with respect and love. MG - on the soapbox here after a soapbox-y workday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:28:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: munchies njc first vernor's and now pepperidge farm!!!!! when will you all stop? do you want to see me cry?! wallyk, bored on a general strike day. the unions and nostalgia will drive me crazy this winter. > ne. peppridge farm orange milano and diet mountain dew. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:28:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: your glam name NJC Where do they get this stuff anyway???? Phyliss (Continental Sugar'lude) jan gyn wrote: > get your partae name here: > -jan (AKA 'Ginchy Featherpants') > > http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #320 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?