From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #319 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 319 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Circle Game [leslie@torchsongs.com] A Joni Moment [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] METHENY ON KENNY G [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Early Joni Info Please (re-sent) ["P. Henry" ] Re: HDCD? [RandyRemote ] Re: [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster (NJC) [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: A Joni Moment (VLJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: the hissing lawns [Howard Motyl ] Re: A Joni Moment ["Kakki" ] RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Mark Domyancich ] BSN Review ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Don Rowe ] Uncloaked [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Circle Game ["Steve Mitchell" ] Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC)Attention ALL Damn Yankees- ["P. Henry" <] Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] BSN songs older than I thought, etc [PPeterson4@aol.com] A few things.... [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Ask An Expert ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fleetwood Mac (njc) [evian ] Joni Mitchell interviewed [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] News Clip - API ["cassy" ] Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Toronto article ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Fleetwood Mac (njc) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: [susan+rick ] Re: Toronto article ["Kakki" ] Re: the hissing lawns ["Kakki" ] Saskatoon Here I Come [susan+rick ] Re: Joni at Rosemont/ Jmdlers/ cont. Now NJC [Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster (NJC) Having worked for a concert promoter in Boston during the '80s, I know something of the whys and wherefores of this ticket puzzle. Depending on the city where the show is taking place, the promoter "reserves" large or small blocks of tix as "holds" for itself, the artist (as stipulated in the performance contract), the artist's management, the record company, etc. for use as "comps" for friends, media people, free promotion (say, as when you win tix in a radio giveaway), etc. As the day of show draws nearer, some held tix are released for sale as actual needed numbers become known. Often, the best remaining held tix are sold only hours before showtime. It's not fair to the buyer, but that's the way it was done then, and I'm assuming it's still the practice. "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:42:38 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: BAD DAN REVIEW Steely Dan: Pros playing bum music By Craig Marine OF THE EXAMINER STAFF June 7, 2000 Who is this idiot Craig Marine anyway? Wonder what kind of music he likes.....maybe the Eagles or U2 or worse.. For my middle-aged money, Steely Dan represents the best of the best, in terms of songwriting ability and production chops. One of the few bands to genre bend and apply jazz harmonies to pop music in an interesting, albeit sardonic, way. Maybe he just doesn't get it. DF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:46:26 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: METHENY ON KENNY G No kidding?.....have to check it out, thats great, good for Pat. Kenny G. is a shameless no-playin mook!!! Dave F. Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:46:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni Moment <> Amen, Sistah Lelie...Preach on! And bring on the Goulet! It's gotta be better than the Jim "Gomer" Nabors version...my golly, I think Courtney KNEW she was torturing the song, but Jim think's he's doing a GOOD job, which makes it ten times worse! Bob NP: Bob D, The Band, Joni, etc, "I Shall Be Released" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:56:08 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Now, now, now. Donald and Walter are the shit. That is a middle American > compliment of the highest order. Who cares if one is bald and the other > looks like a singing accountant? That's ridiculous anyway. Everyone knows it's Becker that looks like an accountant, and Fagan looks like a lizard. RR > > > Some of my best friends are accountants, right MG? Does everyone have to > look like Jagger?? I hope not because I look like that scary guy who wrote > "Cujo". :) > > Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:01:59 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: judy collins(NJC) For anyone who missed it, Judy's email address is RMProd@aol.com and her website is http://www.judycollins.com Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:10:42 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Early Joni Info Please (re-sent) Rick expounded: P. Henry posted a few days ago: > while we're on the subject of Joni's early > history there's a question I'd like to throw out > there to complete some info I'd like to find out. > most of us are aware that Chuck and Joni met in a > Toronto coffeehouse and then married... but > probably few of us are aware of how unique that > coffeehouse was. It was actually two clubs, one > upstairs and one down... one for Canadian > performers, one for American. The only other info > I have is that I know one of the clubs was called > the Riverboat. Is there anyone out there who > knows: 1) what the name of the other club was, 2) > which (Can/US) was up and which was down and 3) > which was named what? >The Toronto coffeehouse scene in the late 60's revolved around the Yorkville district, the remnants of a village swallowed up by Toronto's expansion. Most of the houses were beautiful Victorians and the several blocks surrounding Yorkville Avenue made up a funky oasis just north of the highrise downtown Yonge and Bloor district. There were, at one time, over forty clubs and coffeehouses in Yorkville, all cheek by jowl, with live music every night. Young people hung out on the streets all night long--Toronto's unofficial Hippie District. Joni first got work in 1964 at the Penny Farthing, where she met Chuck. The Penny Farthing was at street level but I don't remember it being right above the Riverboat which was a narrow, long basement room. The Riverboat, managed by Bernie Fiedler, did feature a lot of big-name American acts (I saw Tom Rush there twice) but also booked big Canadian acts like Gordon Lightfoot and Murray McLaughlin. Others who played regularly in Yorkville were Neil Young (and the Mynah Birds), Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Ian and Sylvia, Denny Doherty, Phil Ochs, and The Sparrows who eventually became Steppenwolf, along with dozens of other well-known acts. (The Yonge Street club strip was the stomping grounds of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks who went on to become The Band.) Yorkville started to fall apart as a good place to hang out by 1969, overrun by drugs and "bad vibes". Gentrification started soon after that and Yorkville eventually became an upscale shopping district. Anyone interested in more detail should pick up a book called "Before the Gold Rush: Flashbacks to the Dawn of the Canadian Sound" by Nicholas Jennings (published by Viking). All good things Rick> Rick, WOW! I couldn't have asked for a better response to my questions! Bro, you've become a boon to my life! First the pics you shared on catgirl's list and now this! Thank you a thousand times over! YES! 'Penny Farthing' IS the club! I was thinking 'Pennywhistle' just yesterday when I re- read my own post as I was screening the digests, a dim recollection peeking through... Your firsthand insight really is cool! See, in the typical promo articles and reviews Joni was giving me back then, just as 'Circle Game' and 'Urge For Going' were always bound to be mentioned, the story of the upstairs-downstairs folk clubs was also typical, at least in the longer, more detailed articles, the impression being given, probably gleaned from either Chuck or Joni in interview, that both clubs were under the same management and one, at least primarily for Canadian acts and one, as I said, more likely to have American performers, so, from what you supplied, the rest of the story probably is that Chuck was playing at the Riverboat and wandered over to the PF between sets to catch Joni's sets and the rest, as they always like to say, is history... I'd also like to say that this is extremely well written... Mr. Jennings should've had you as a contributor! Thanks again. :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:15:29 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: HDCD? Catherine McKay wrote: Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? I don't know Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure if this is the same as HDCD. It's not the same, HDCD is a special process, however, they may have used HDCD for all of Joni's remasters, again, I don't know, but HDCD's will have a little logo on the back of the CD case, and on the CD itself. It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* once the buyer had opened the package. There were reports of that on the list previously. If I remember right, they were all from Europe or UK. The package had the logo, but the CD inside didn't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:28:03 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Wow! Great article! Thanks Catherine! Catherine McKay wrote: > Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today > on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version > has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, > including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net > version is text only. > > To read it, go here: > > http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:27:17 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster (NJC) Thanks Jim This confirms my suspicions about how the ticket game works Of course it doesn't make it any easier as it is somewhat of a gamble to wait and see if you can get good seats after the whole concert seemed to have been sold out. Phyliss "James L. Leonard" wrote: > Having worked for a concert promoter in Boston during the '80s, I know > something of the whys and wherefores of this ticket puzzle. Depending on the > city where the show is taking place, the promoter "reserves" large or small > blocks of tix as "holds" for itself, the artist (as stipulated in the > performance contract), the artist's management, the record company, etc. for > use as "comps" for friends, media people, free promotion (say, as when you > win tix in a radio giveaway), etc. > > As the day of show draws nearer, some held tix are released for sale as > actual needed numbers become known. Often, the best remaining held tix are > sold only hours before showtime. > > It's not fair to the buyer, but that's the way it was done then, and I'm > assuming it's still the practice. > > "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:32:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) (NJC) Allison writes: << http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm oh my god this is funny! i had to type in some other websites, it was so great. i also took the spark.com death test, which you can do from that site. it is definately worth the laugh. the questions are great. apparently, i am going to die on april 21, 2041. >> This cracked me up too. I also took the Spark.com death test, and I'm signing off on August 8, 2025. Only a little over 25 years left to live. Les, I'll be un.subbing on 8-7-25. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:33:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: now a poem for paul...(NJC) i think it works pretty well if you sing it to the tune of "how do you solve a problem like maria?" from "the sound of music". we need a few verses for the "she's an angel, she's a devil, she's a GIIIIIIIIIRL!!!! section, though. wallyk > tactful and polite as ever...you have inspired a poem from me mr. ivess - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:45:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) glory!!!!!!!!!! this is unbelievable!!!!!!! deb how did you come across this gem?!?!?!?! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:59:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht > If you haven't found the Carla Helmbrecht cover of STAS, let >me know, as I just found a copy and will order it! Wow! A low bow of gratitude and a big WHOO HOO to my east coast teammate Stephen!! ;-D Thank you! I have no idea who she is but hope it is the Joni STAS and not a false alarm. If it is, I'll repay you double ;-) Kakki NP: CSNY live at Staples Center 2/00 - Down By The River ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:14:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni Moment (VLJC) Leslie writes: << Which employee would be ordering vinyl and of all people, Robert Goulet? Well, I was found out and I skulked to the front office, head hung in shame. To my defense I stated, defiantly, "It contains a cover of a Joni Mitchell song, and the album is even named, 'Both Sides Now,' don't you get it?" >> Try explaining to your mail clerk who has just opened up a Jim Nabors CD which was mailed to your office. I'm still getting hounded for that one, and telling everyone about the Joni covers project didn't even help. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:16:54 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: the hissing lawns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------00BCBEDA8C85E5B55625DF0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce said: >The question remains, has Joni made it to her idyllic suburban Southern >California enclave and successfully escaped the snake? Is Bel Air really considered the suburbs of LA? It's so hard to tell out there but it all seems like one big sprawling city out there. (Until you get into the valley, of course, then you know you're somewhere different.) 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Kakki NP: CSNY at Staples - Keep on Rockin' in the Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:30:30 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) My favorite, from Whale and Spark: Gas-chariot Upon A Hill by Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've beenst sitting unto waiting for mine sugar to showest I've beenst listening to the sirens and the radio He did say he'd be over three hours ago I've beenst waiting for his gas-chariot upon the hill He makest followers godly He's not like me I watch for judgement anxiously Now wither in the city can that boy be Waiting for a gas-chariot Climbing Climbing Climbing the hill He's a real righteous talker I thinkest he's follower Fast tires cometh screaming around the bend But there's still no buzzer Satan roll upon And I'm waiting for his car on the hill It as a show of faith seemest so righteous at the start Whenneth there's so much laughter Whenneth tither's so much spark Whenneth tither's so much sweetness in the dark Waiting for a gas-chariot Climbing Climbing Climbing the hill - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) > > > >--- Deb Messling wrote: > >> Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm > - -- Alison Einerson wrote: > oh my god this is funny! i had to type in some other > websites, it was so > great. > i also took the spark.com death test, which you can > do from that site. it is > definately worth the laugh. the questions are great. > apparently, i am going > to die on april 21, 2041. I would like to have a job where they pay you to act silly and have fun all day. Wouldn't that be great? I've tried the death test too. According to it, I'm already dead. That would explain a few things... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Globe and Mail - --- Phyliss Ward wrote: > Wow! Great article! Thanks Catherine! > [....] > > > > To read it, go here: > > > > > http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html I can't believe I mentioned this first before some of the more eagle-eyed listers! I'm usually way behind with this kind of thing - I usually don't find out about stuff like this until it's too late to get me a copy. But one of my co-workers happened to have the Globe, came into my office and said, "Catherine, you like Joni Mitchell, don't you?" (Is the Pope Catholic? etc). So my thanks to Annabelle who gave me her section of the paper - I didn't even have to buy my own! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:58:01 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: BSN Review Hello All- Found this in the current OffBeat Music Magazine June 2000 issue and thought I would pass it on for your info. The reviewer seems to be somewhat of a fan, but may be a little confused on a couple of issues. I guess not everyone can be the authority that most of you are, on the subject of SIQUOMB. Michael Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now (Warner Brothers) Joni Mitchell is no stranger to the jazz world, forging alliances with the likes of Charles Mingus, Jaco Pastorius, Herbie Hancock, and Wayne Shorter, and also incorporating elements of jazz into some of her more interesting recordings. Her new record Both Sides Now is another foray into the jazz area, though different from her previous attempts with the records Mingus and The Hissing of Summer Lawns. With Both Sides Now, Mitchell the stellar singer, as opposed to the brilliant songwriter and capable composer, tackles smoky standards such as "At Last," "Sometimes I'm Happy," and "Stormy Weather" using rich pop arrangements. She is clearly trying to draw attention to her skill as a vocalist and she demonstrates a true commitment to the lyrics contained in each song. Inspiration from singers like Billy Holiday, Nina Simone, and Billy Eckstine are clear throughout the record. Two of Mitchell's own songs are also revived on Bothe Sides Now----"A Case of You" and the title track. The results are impressive. Mitchell reveals herself to be a mature performer, able to revive and reinvent even her own music into something appealing and attractive for the new century. Even fans of Mitchell's earlier, less jazz-influenced records like Blue or Court and Spark will not find Both Sides Now to be an adventurous and enjoyable record well-in-line with Mitchell's commitment to making incredible music. - ---Danielle Bias ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I've tried the death test too. According to it, I'm > already dead. That would explain a few things... It also confirms a sneaking suspicion I've been nursing for some time now ... ;-) Rest in peace. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:12:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) Dave F. wrote: > For my middle-aged money, Steely Dan represents the best of the best, in > terms of songwriting ability and production chops. One of the few bands > to genre bend and apply jazz harmonies to pop music in an interesting, > albeit sardonic, way. I agree with those who consider SD on their short list with Joni as the rare music geniuses of the last half century or so. Other than wondering why people like him get paid to review incredible music, what cracked me up the most about the review was his inference that SD in the early days was followed by some esoteric, in-the-know group that habited the coffeehouse scenes. Funny, I was "initiated" into early SD at the dive beer bars and frat house parties in college in the early 1970s! "Bodhisattva" ranks with Blue and FTR as one of my most worn out vinyls from the era. And they've *still* got it. Kakki P.S. to Robbert from Holland - if you are on email and want to meet up at the SD L.A. show next week, let me know! NP: Steely Dan - King of the World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Uncloaked Jimmy wrote: "Try explaining to your mail clerk who has just opened up a Jim Nabors CD which was mailed to your office. I'm still getting hounded for that one, and telling everyone about the Joni covers project didn't even help." You've got one over on me, Jimmy. At least Karell's mother and Leslie G.'s mother like Robert Goulet! And, they're both Joni fans... I can never forget Goulet at Lancelot in Camelot... "If ever I should leave youuuuuuuu" Steve and I are headed to San Francisco this weekend to spend time with Jim Johanson. We'll be sure to stop at a couple of used LP shops to hunt for more covers. Anything in particular I should look for, Bob? Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:12:12 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Circle Game leslie@torchsongs.com asked: > Was "The Circle Game" ever included in a movie soundtrack > (we're not talking television). > > Please let me know. I seem to remember hearing it as the closing credits music with a load of kids on a stage but can't for the life of me remember what the film was called! - --Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:53:03 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC thanks for the feedback. I had the same experience at all the concerts of BSN I attended. Invariably the best seats I could get became available either online or in person within days of the concert date. I too was hooked up to a telephone operator at exactly noon the day Joni's New York tix went on sale for the second show and there wer NO TICKETS AT ALL available in the front sections. A couple of weeks later I bought great front section seats on line and this after the ticketmaster website showed both shows to be sold out! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:22:50 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC)Attention ALL Damn Yankees- michael slurpped: >As a Detroit born child that I am, I have the right to use this term and also should tell you I was purt near (that's a suthern term) 25 or 26 before I knew it was two seperate words. Anyways I digress....Just thought I would tell you that by mixing several large scoops of vanilla ice cream into the blender and pouring Vernors Ginger Ale over it (for Mikey and me) and it made me think of Bob Muller which made me think of Anne, which made me think of Ashara, which made me think of Boston Coolers (which is what we use to call Vernors and Ice Cream) which made me think of Jim, that made me think of Claudia, which made me think of Kakki, who of course made me think of everyone else including Jimmy and that pain in the ass Cuban (NO PUN INTENDED), and of course I thought about Jerry and Leslie and Steve and David and Bern and Jack and Pearl and Steve and Lori and Timo and John and YES even Marcel (and that damn donkey which is a whole other thing, and Phyliss, and Brian, and Catgirl and Eric and Les... well you get the picture. Anyways I miss you guys so much and I raise my Boston Cooler to youall. Michael (who is up to digest #262) I just can't wait to find out if the guy who tols the Joni/Woodstock story is full of shit or not (even tho Kate sez Crosby denies it ever happened, could be old Croz lost those particular brain cells) anyways I digress again slurp...... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh> mike!!! do they actually HAVE vervors in nawlins?!?!?!? pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:23:53 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell Audra McDonald, in case you haven't heard of her, is a great young new Broadway singer who has appeared in Carousel, Ragtime and Callas and the recent television version of Annie and has a couple of CD's I like a lot. She has an interesting voice which kind of connects a soprano or falsetto range and a pop range, much the way Joni Mitchell did in her early years (though the timbres of the two voices are quite different). In an interview in this week's TIME OUT magazine (a New York entertainment guide) the interviewer asks: Time Out: Are there any songs out there that you're dying to sing? Audra McDonald: ....I've..been getting into Joni Mitchell lately. Kathy Bates gave me a book of her lyrics as a gift during Annie. It is poetry. Her latest recording of "Both Sides Now" with all those strings and that voice - wow! Her voice has gotten so deep and rich. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:32:34 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) In a message dated 6/7/00 9:26:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << It needs some work, as you concede, but I admire your creativity and tact. And, yes, I can take it. ;>) Paul I >> well, i know i am in trouble now, if i have paul admiring me. geesh! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:49:43 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: BSN songs older than I thought, etc A lot of articles have referred to the songs on BSN as having come out of the forties and fifties, but I just noticed that five of the songs are from the thirties and one from the twenties. Also, I've been seeking out earlier versions of some of the songs, for example Billie Holiday's You've Changed and Lena Horne's Stormy Weather, and Y ou're My Thrill. It's an interesting comparison. The incredibleness of Joni's versions is even more apparent. These are no mere copies or homages but entirely new near-reinventions of the songs in a pop/jazz/symphonic vocabulary that I can't find any precedent for. Another interesting comparison: Try playing A Case of You original version followed immediately by the BSN version and be further amazed by what she and Mendoza have created. How those simple strummings have been expanded into a palette of gorgeous colors and dynamic rhythms. I played the two versions for a co-worker who has fallen in love with BSN without knowing any of Joni's earlier albums and for her there was no contest - she felt the new version had much more emotional depth. I have to agree. The more I get into this album the more I realize what a masterpiece it is. Amazing that my initial reaction was that it was "dull". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:07:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: A few things.... Hi everyone! I have been totally overwhelmed here, and haven't looked at a post for over 2 weeks. I am going away, but I wanted to get a few things out to you: 1) I visited Anne on Tuesday, and brought all the wonderful Joni items that we, as a group, got for her. I have to admit, (even though this is probably blasphemy,) I was more excited about delivering these gifts to Anne and seeing her face light up then I was to see Joni last week. Don't get me wrong, it was an incredible 2 days of Joni, and of meeting JMDlers, but this is what is real to me, making a difference in someone's life. So, my hats off to all of you generous people that sent donations and pledges. She was mightily surprised, and wildly happy. It was such a gift to see her beautiful, smiling face. I took many digital shots, adn just sent them to Les, so hopefully you will all get to see her too! 2) Tape Trees: My apologies that the next set of video trees has been slow in getting out. I've had some personal setbacks, including the death of a family friend, so it will be a while longer before these get out. Please be patient. I am aware that I am holding on to precious original videos that have been entrusted to me, and it is my intention to get this project going as soon as I can. Also, if you have sent me tapes to dub, again please be patient. I try to get them right out normally, but due to circumstances, I will get them out to you as soon as I can. Thanks so much for your understanding. 3) The 3rd Annual New England Jonifest is still happening!! As soon as I get back after the 22nd, I will gear up with more info, and Les has agreed to set up a webpage to go to for information. This will happen soon, I promise. In the meantime, set aside Labor Day weekend for a great time! 4) Lastly, I know I will not have time to read list mail for quite a while, so if there is anything I need to know, please e-mail me privately. I am definitely going to Saskatoon, so count me (and Sal) in for absolutely everything, and let me know where I should be, when I should be there, what I owe whom for whatever, etc. ::grin:: Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:47:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) I love those albums too! I thought the early Steely Dan (SD) was a northeast-coast of USA band in college days. You're an LA girl- did they play in LA too? This must be real boring to Hell. Hello, Helen! Do you have an opinion on America's Steely Dan? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" > I was "initiated" into early SD at > the dive beer bars and frat house parties in college in the early 1970s! > "Bodhisattva" ranks with Blue and FTR as one of my most worn out vinyls from > the era. And they've *still* got it. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:25:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) In a message dated 6/8/00 8:32:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RickieLee1 writes: << << It needs some work, as you concede, but I admire your creativity and tact. And, yes, I can take it. ;>) Paul I >> well, i know i am in trouble now, if i have paul admiring me. geesh! >> Oh, c'mon, this is getting ridiculous. No one can express an honest negative opinion about ANY of Joni's music here? Look, I dislike DED. And don't tell me to listen to it again; I've listened to it 200 times over the years. It just DOESN'T HOLD UP. Lyrically, it's sophomoric, even childish in many ways. It's her weakest effort. I won't belabor the point by listing more reasons. That doesn't mean I like Hejira or FTR any less because of it. There is NOTHING on that album that can be compared to the depth of Ludwig's Tune or Down to You or a dozen more of Joni's probing, insightful lyrics. The closest is the Three Great Stimulants, but that still lacks personality. This should be a forum for free expression, exchange, discussion and learning, not a room to bow to an idol. Joni is my FAVORITE songwriter, and I love her and most of her songs, but that doesn't mean she is my idol or a queen or anything close to perfection, and people who act like she or anyone else is are living in some kind of childish dream world. THAT really irks me. Paul I P.S. Oh and by the way, Catgirl, I delete 90% of your silly little posts before reading them, too. . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:28:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ask An Expert Hello boys and girls, and welcome to "Ask An Expert". A question for Jon Von Tiel: Here's a really naive wine question from middle America where we generally have no clue on fine wine........ I can't stand the gasoline afterburn of Berenger's White Zinfendel after tasting your wine selections JoniFest2000- New Orleans! Can you recommend 3 or 4 better whites? Or does one just buy 4 and sample? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:56:48 -0600 From: evian Subject: Fleetwood Mac (njc) Helen "Bridget" wrote: > Put me down as another Stevie Nicks fan! I was listening to Fleetwood Mac - > The Dance today at work, and I must have replayed Silver Springs a hundred > times! I don't know how they could have left that song of the Rumours > album! > OK Helen dear, now it's just getting plain creepy. I swear on a stack of JM Companions that I was listening to The Dance all afternoon at work, and I repeated "Silver Springs" so many times that I can't even count. Then, I guess I must have had the music just blaring, because this guy I work with comes into my office and says "Are you having a party in here or something?" God, everytime I listen to "Silver Springs" I get goosebumps.... Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:02:18 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell interviewed There's an interview with Joni in today's Toronto Globe & Mail, available here: http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:00:28 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: News Clip - API Just passing on a small news clip... it's about time too. DETROIT, June 8 — The three largest American automakers announced Thursday that they will extend health care benefits to the partners of gay employees. The announcement from General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler division of DaimlerChrysler AG covers about 465,000 employees and could signal that such benefits will become standard in corporate America. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:08:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) Jim wrote: >I love those albums too! I thought the early Steely Dan (SD) was a >northeast-coast of USA band in college days. You're an LA girl- did they >play in LA too? > >This must be real boring to Hell. Hello, Helen! Do you have an opinion on >America's Steely Dan? Jeez, why do I get singled out for special attention? Anyone would think I have an opinion on everything! Actually, my friends will tell you that I DO have an opinion on everything, I just don't always say it out loud. Well, OK, I do, but that's not the point. Anyway, I do own The Best of Steely Dan - Then and Now, which I do like, but don't play that often. Favourite tracks are: Rikki Don't Lose That Number and FM (I used to own the soundtrack album to the movie "FM" and played it a lot - no idea where it went!). I haven't heard the new album, and it's not something I would buy, despite the glowing reviews from this list, but I did think the reviewer was overly harsh. As Catherine pointed out, if the old "prune on a stick" (I love this image), Mick Jagger can still perform, why can't they? Not to mention CSNY, who look like an aging group of granddads these days! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:17:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Toronto article Catherine wrote: >Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today >on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version >has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, >including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net >version is text only. >http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html Wow, thanks for sharing this - what a great article! "I sing my sorrow and I paint my joy." Isn't that a great line? Mind you, I have to say, if I was living in LA, I know where I'd be heading every day at 3pm - The Daily Grill in Brentwood! I'm surprised she let them publish that little fact! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:22:01 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Fleetwood Mac (njc) >OK Helen dear, now it's just getting plain creepy. I swear on a stack >of JM Companions that I was listening to The Dance all afternoon at >work, and I repeated "Silver Springs" so many times that I can't even >count. Then, I guess I must have had the music just blaring, because >this guy I work with comes into my office and says "Are you having a >party in here or something?" > God, everytime I listen to "Silver Springs" I get goosebumps.... It's not creepy, it just proves you're a man of great taste and distinction - as I am. OK, I'm not a man (despite some woman saying to their toddler the other day "Look out dear, you're in the nice man's way"). She obviously didn't see the front of me! And I had my music blaring too, but through head-phones. Which is great most of the time, but not so great when you don't hear someone come up behind you when you're reading your home email instead of writing post-update triggers, and it's your boss! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:23:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC Bob wrote: >And while I'm thinking about it, what's the status of that Goldie Hawn cover of Carey, Erin? And has anyone mentioned Glen Campbell doing Both Sides Now? I've kind of stalled in my efforts to obtain it, but I can probably manage to track it down this weekend if it's still wanted/needed? Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:28:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC In a message dated 6/8/00 9:21:34 PM US Central Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << And has anyone mentioned Glen Campbell doing Both Sides Now? I've kind of stalled in my efforts to obtain it, but I can probably manage to track it down this weekend if it's still wanted/needed? >> Go for it, Hell! No one's laid claim to it, although it may not fit on the BigAss Slice of JoniCheese Volume 4, I'll give it a good home! :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:27:52 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Trades Hello Gang- The promo fairy came a knockin' on my door and I have 3 copies of the promo version of BSN for trade. I will take the first three offers I get for something I need to listen to like maybe Fordham, Brooke, Originals, you know I am slut, just not as big of one as Bob. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:25:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BAD DAN REVIEW (NJC) Jim wrote: > I love those albums too! I thought the early Steely Dan (SD) >was a northeast-coast of USA band in college days. A few weeks back I sent the blurb from the ASCAP website here with regard to their Lifetime Award (like Joni received last year). The blurb said they met in upstate New York at Bard College and were Brill Building songwriters for a time. In 1971 they went to ABC Records in L.A. as in-house songwriters. They were soon deemed too "weird" for the tastes of the record company and set off on their own. >You're an LA girl- did they play in LA too? When they first hit the radio waves, I was in college in Arizona. Phoenix was a very small, dusty town back then but it had incredible music and a radio station that beat any in L.A. (Don't remember the call letters). Many of the groups that later became famous like the Eagles, Loggins and Messina, etc. debuted there at a tiny, wonderful venue called "The Travelodge" where the usual price of admission was $3.00. Never saw SD there, but they were played constantly on the radio from the beginning. When they hit there with "Reelin in the Years" (maybe early '73?) that was it - they ruled. ;-) Amazing now knowing that they rose so quickly after leaving ABC Records in '71/'72. Kakki NP: Continental Drifters - Spring Day in Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:02:27 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Catherine McKay posted: > Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today > on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version > has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, > including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net > version is text only. > > To read it, go here: > > http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html Wow, that is a really good article. Thanks, Catherine. I think I'll run out to the store to see if I can pick up a copy or two tonight. The article is e-mailable if anyone on this list only has email and not internet access. Contact me privately and I'll forward you a copy. All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:11:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Toronto article Thanks Catherine, I would love get the real enchilada with the photos of the paintings - maybe I'll try the international newstand this weekend. Helen wrote: >Mind you, I have to say, if I was living in LA, I know where I'd >be heading every day at 3pm - The Daily Grill in Brentwood! >I'm surprised she let them publish that little fact! She also thanks their parking staff in the TTT liner notes and mentioned it at one of the '98 L.A. shows. We've had a couple of small jmdler meets there (but only when we've heard she is out of town!) and it's just a nice, ordinary place with real good food. I wonder if she still hangs out there - maybe she just publicizes it now to throw people off the track from her real hangout ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:28:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the hissing lawns Howard M. asked: >Is Bel Air really considered the suburbs of LA? At the time the songs were written 25 years ago, yeah, I think so. L.A. was not anywhere near the teeming, traffic-tangled megalopolis that it is now. And Bel Air is still tucked away in the mountainside and is naturally protected from city encroachment. >It's so hard to tell out there but it all seems like one big >sprawling city out there. Especially when flying in on a plane - it even astounds the natives' eyes. But there are many pockets of real beauty - you just have to know where to find them. > (Until you get into the valley, of course, then you >know >you're somewhere different.) I always imagined the characters in HOSL to be residing in the Valley. Now *that* was true suburbia (but has now also become wall to wall pavement and traffic. Kakki, well over her posting limit today and now shutting up ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:22:24 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Saskatoon Here I Come Whoo Hooo, I just booked my flight to Saskatoon, having finally got all my financing in place (okay so I used my plastic!) I'll be arriving Thursday, June 29 and might decide to spend the night at the door of the Mendel which may not be too early to line up judging from the info in the Globe article (Australia!? South Africa!?) How will we Listers identify ourselves to each other? Hearts on sleeves? Tattoos on foreheads? Pre-arranged meeting place? Evian, you may be our only source of Toontown info. Any favourite spot you think would be a good place to meet up sometime on Friday? I reiterate: Whooooo Hooooooo Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 01:29:48 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni at Rosemont/ Jmdlers/ cont. Now NJC Back to Joni's limo..... I looked at Laura and said Let's Go! I knew that *then* was not the appropriate time to approach Joni,as she had a show to do, but I was on auto reflex. I honestly don't know what I was doing! Some guy with a guitar jumped in front of me and asked for an autograph. Joni declined. I did catch a glimpse of her as she was entering the backstage door. She looked disheveled and comfortable. Her hair was pulled up away from her face. As Laura and I were talking to the limo driver, Steve, Phyliss and Angelino Coyote came over. Steve and Phyliss were still on cloud nine from "Joni Mitchell Fest 2000" :-) We obviously had to take photos at that point. 1- Laura with Joni's water bottle in her limo, photo 2- jody holding Joni's water bottle in limo, photo 3 - inside Joni's limo, 4 - Group photo outside Joni's limo and Photo 5 - LuAnn from Indianapolis who feigned death under Joni's Limo. I forgot to mention photo 6 - Limo driver standing aside Joni's limo. I know, We're Nuts, but, oh well! The limo driver, * what was his name?* He was so nice. He said that Joni was a sweetheart. Phyliss, Coyote, Laura and I drove to Ginos ( Phyliss Talkin' the whole way about N.O.) I had never met Phyliss prior, but she had this certain glow. A"Hip Shakin' Mama, I just got back from Paz fest" type of glow. She and Steve were both Glowing! It was nice meeting Coyote Too! He Is So Sweet!! We got to the restaurant and met up with Vince, who had braved two days in the rain too see his beloved 'White Sox' Vince is quite the character that you know from his posts and more........A Very special person!!!! :~D I say this since we were sitting together at the concert, so I had the chance to get to know him a little bit more. I feel as though we've been friends for years! I feel lucky to have been able to meet jmdlers on three occasions, but it never fails - There's NEVER enough time! We also met up with Doug - Wolfbite, I fell madly in love with him when he Snuck in to see Joni at "The Old Town School Of Folk Music" benefit that cost a gazillion dollars a ticket. He is so intent and warm! I'm so glad that Mary Pitassi could come down from Madison! It was such a pleasure meeting her. She not only packs a punch on line, but live as well. Have any of you ever seen the movie,"Broadcast News"? I'm Joan Cusack and Mary is Holly Hunter! We also had the pleasure of meeting Michael Y. I'm so happy that he was able to see the concert- I wish i could have talked to him more - He is way beyond his years ;~) So are Chris and Lisa. You chillins make me feel old, but in a good way. I had a good conversation with Richard Rice, a.k.a. John John, I'm happy that you had that Joni moment. It was great bumping into Fred Simon and lovely wife Sarah during intermission. They would have liked to have joined us but they are brand new parents.......:~D My best to all you guys, jody ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #319 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?