From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #318 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 318 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- That Song About the Midway ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Deb Messling ] Re: Grace NJC [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: Grace BIO JC [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) [peves@marlboro.] Dog Eat Dolby [Louis Lynch ] Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC ["Scott Tennell" ] Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Steely Dan (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Brian Gross ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: HDCD? [Catherine McKay ] Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Pat M. on Kenny G. -- Some thoughts (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing [Catherine McKay ] Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) [Catherine McKay] HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [B Merrill ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Carla Helmbrecht [SMEBD@aol.com] Early Joni Info [Bounced Message ] Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] [none] [Catherine McKay ] Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) [Don Rowe ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #317 [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:14:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: That Song About the Midway I need to quickly relearn That Song About the Midway. I used to play it in regular tuning but that was a long time ago. I love the chords & tuning on the JMDL site but I may not be able to learn & memorize it in time for a last minute gig (request). Can anyone help me out with standard tuning chords that work for this song? ASAP, thanks! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:52:30 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC Nikki wrote: >Oh cool! I really like Nancy's version:-) The reason I mentioned it was b/c >it wasn't listed on the Jonimitchell.com page. And yes Bob you are right I >am a huge Stevie and Heart fan:-) I think they are also talented ladies...I >remember Stevie saying she would listen to Ladies Of The Canyon and read all >the lyrics over and over in her room. I love finding connections between my >favorite artists! If anyone ever needs anything Stevie don't hesitate to >ask...lol Put me down as another Stevie Nicks fan! I was listening to Fleetwood Mac - The Dance today at work, and I must have replayed Silver Springs a hundred times! I don't know how they could have left that song of the Rumours album! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:03:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Attention NZ list-members No, it's not an invitation to Hellfest (now THERE'S an image!) but an offer to NZ lurkers who would like a copy of the programme from Joni's recent Both Sides Now tour in the US. Cassy (from Detroit) has kindly sent over a wee stack of these to distribute around the country. Just drop me a line and I'll put one in the post! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:39:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:08:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC <> You go, girl! I think that's on the B-side of her single "Song to a Chigger" LOL!! "Bite, silly chigger, No 'Off' spray can harm you..." :~D And I gotta say that I, along with the other JMDLer's enjoying these volumes, are grateful for your efforts and Stephen's...but I gotta throw in two more all-stars, Leslie & Philip. Leslie has been tirelessly prowling e-bay for covers, cheesy & otherwise, and Philip has been a constant contributor, especially noteworthy since he's stationed on the coast of Ireland! And I don't mean to sell *any* of the contributors short, whether you've sent 20 tunes or one, this is truly a project of the TOTAL JMDL community! Bob NP: David Baerwald, "the waiter" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:11:12 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: more metheny on kenny g NJC don't know if any of you caught the video clip of pat metheny circulating on the web a few months ago where metheny said "kenny g plays the dumbest music on the planet." at first i didn't believe he said it. thought it was some kind of video trick. i work in television and we put words in people's mouth all the time (oops, i didn't say that-someone must've put those words in my mouth). anyway no matter what one's true feelings are, it is extraordinarily rare to hear one artist trash another "artist" (maybe that term doesn't apply in kenny g's case), especially for an artist as mild mannered as pat. well on the pat metheny group website, pat has taken it a step further. he has authored a very long essay on just why he feels kenny g is so terrible going as far as saying that if he ever saw kenny g, he "WILL get a piece of my mind and (maybe a guitar wrapped around his head)." he goes on to say that the only thing wrong with his original statement was that he "did not include the rest of the known universe." he also says that kenny g has "... shit all over the graves of musicians past and present ..." (quote taken way out of context). metheny's main gripe is kenny g's playing (which metheny criticizes in general) over louis armstrong's "what a wonderful world." you can check out the entire essay at www.patmethenygroup.com, the "question and answer" feature, a very fan-friendly feature where pat stops in at the site and answers questions posted by listers on a semi-regular basis. now if we could only get joni to agree to do something like on jmdl. WOW! phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:11:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention NZ list-members <> And for you Aussies, Uncle John Low has a package coming with some programs as well, so you can let him know if you want one... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:19:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) <> Oh wow, Deb...this is an absolute HOOT!! Funny that the mechanism changes "Man" to "Sinner" such that 'God Must Be A Boogie Man' is NOW 'God must Be a Boogie Sinner'! :~) Well done, good & faithful servant of the JMDL! Bob NP: David Baerwald, "AIDS & Armageddon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:20:35 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: go where you will go to did joni ever got to know michael very well?... yours in tears nuriel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:59:43 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Grace NJC Yes, Alice, Me too. Grace & Joni. I also loved Baron Von Tollbooth. I uesed to have those two of her "grace Slick and The Great Society". When, where did you see The Airplane? I saw them 14 times. I must have been out of my mind. (No, just young& wild & free) Thanks for RSVP Peg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:04:31 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Grace BIO JC Alice, BTW did you see in Grace's new autobiography where she talks about seeing JONI in an LA rest and wanting to approach her? She commented to the effect that she was too intimidated by anyone musician enough to play with Mingus. So she didn't approach her. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:50:46 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) Is that really neccessary?? I DO NOT CARE how Walter Becker and Don Fagan look! I care about what they feel! And I know noone who EVER "dove for the radio dial to shut off" Steely Dan ! I dove for the record store and bought nearly every record they conceived. What does this guy listen to if he thinks Steely Dan are no good. They gave us some of the most beautiful and all'round intelligent music there is and they have no rival in that genre - unless you put JONI in that genre and I think it's not too far off the mark to do so. I've admitted to my closest friends that SD are my personal runners-up after "The Enchanted Lady" . Critics! Peg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:01:15 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Dog Eat Dolby Harper Lou here, Always willing to jump in and risk insulting somebody (it's a gift). All you peoples who don't like Dog Eat Dog MUST take another listen. Consider what was on the radio when it was released, and compare it to Joni's previous and next work. Standing alone as a recorded work, it is a stroke of genius. In context to the times, it was a sheer masterpiece. Although it's not my favorite Joni, I really enjoy the album and there are times I really need to hear it again. Certain albums strike certain chords, you know. And, a lot of times a recording or a song will win a place in my heart just by what it does to me when I hear it the first time. When I hear some of Joni's works, like Ladies of the Canyon or Man on the Moon, I think they are very pretty, but they really don't evoke all that much response. However, certain songs or records create very strong reactions -- First listen of You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio, pure joy. First listen of Blue Motel Room, sheer harmonic bliss. First listen of Cotton Avenue, especially when she purrs the second Cotton Avenue, a noticeable and uncontrollable male response usually associated more with personal contact or pornography than with recorded music (What are YOU doing down there!). First listen of Why Do Fools Fall in Love with the Persuasions, an uncontrollable desire to get up and dance across the room. First listen of River, shivers and more shivers. First listen of Ludwig's Tune, involuntary urge to hug and kiss my grand piano. First listen of Slouching Toward Bethlehem, sheer poetic and musical ecstasy merged into one. First listen of Korinna, Korinna, extreme fulfillment of my love of the blues. First listen of Turbulent Indigo, the only time I ever said "Way Bitchin" in my life. First listen of Dreamland, elevated body temperature and immediate desire to hear Cotton Avenue again. And, first listen of Ethiopia, goosebumps and tears at the same time. Even though DED contains one of Joni's weirdest songs, the Science thing with Dolby, it also contains some of her finest songwriting -- Tax Free, Fiction, and Ethiopia. My little brother, the world's greatest jazz guitarist and musical expert, hates programmed drum machines, but he admitted that Joni's DED was the only time he actually liked the use of them. He's a Taurus, so it takes a lot to make him retract his most stubborn opinions. And, I can't beat him up any more, so he wasn't just saying that for self-protection. So, Mr. Don Rowe Klein Sting Keb Mo Pastorius, I'll join your battle against the naysayers. We can whack 'em with my big harp and slice 'em like a cheese! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:02:11 -0700 From: "Scott Tennell" Subject: Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC I am really puzzled about the process of buying tickets. I waited in line at a store to purchase Joni tickets for the Chronicle Pavillion in CA. I was at the window at exactly 11, the moment they went on sale. The best available seats were in row K. They were pretty good seats but they weren't the seats I expected after waiting for an hour and a half. After buying my tickets, I went online to see what the best available seats were. After hours of being on sale, better seats were available than what I had purchased in person. Tickets for Diana Krall went on sale the day after the Joni show at the Chronicle. I decided to try my luck online. I went online the moment the tickets went on sale and front row seats came up. I have never sat in the front row at any concert! It took me all of three minutes to purchase online. Within two weeks, I received my tickets in the mail. I'm not sure if I just got lucky this time. I know other people have had difficulties buying online. My experience was a good one. Slow connections, slow websites, computer problems, etc., could all be factors in a successful or unsuccessful purchase. If you do decide to try the online method, make sure you have already given them all of your information prior to purchasing. Good luck! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:47:08 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby but as an electronic musician >and keyboard player -- I guess I just "hear" the >finished results of DED differently. > >Not that that makes me a bad person! ;-) Hey Don, not so fast! I just picked up my copy of the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ALL TRUTH that I keep on my desk here, looked up "electronic musician," and and was cross-referenced to "see: person, bad." But you know, some of my best friends use drum machines. Like George Clinton, Kate Bush... But then I stopped being their friends, of course. In fact, last time I saw George I hit him with my handbag! At least I thought it was George... he was wearing a blonde wig, at least.... - --gotta go, Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:09:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Getting Great Seats From Ticketmaster NJC PPeterson4@aol.com wrote: > I had a terrible time getting front section seats for Joni's New York Concert > and now I'm going to try to get tickets up close for Ellen Degeneres at the > Beacon Theater in July - tickets go on sale Saturday at noon. Could the > people who succeeded in getting front section tickets to Joni tell me how > they did it? By phone? At a Ticketmaster location? Online? I'd appreciate > any tips. Whatever you do don't call the American Express Gold line. Their "Gold Circle" seats suck. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:18 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: more metheny on kenny g NJC Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and for presenting the topic in the way you did. I just read the essay by Pat. Although I agree with *everything* he said, and know that he's really fuming over the defacement of the Armostrong recording, I'm very surprised by the public "diss." I don't know yet if I'm disappointed in one of my biggest heroes, or firmly in his camp for speaking out. One thing has always struck me about him, though, and I think it's a positive attribute...he's a very honest guy. "Boston Jim" >metheny's main gripe is kenny g's playing (which metheny criticizes > in general) over louis armstrong's "what a wonderful world." > > you can check out the entire essay at www.patmethenygroup.com, the "question > and answer" feature, a very fan-friendly feature where pat stops in at the > site and answers questions posted by listers on a semi-regular basis. now if > we could only get joni to agree to do something like on jmdl. WOW! > > phil > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:29:05 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) The Hissing of Summer-eth Lawns Now THERE'S a bad album title! Phyliss, LOL! Deb Messling wrote: > Check this out: > > http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:32:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) <> My best friend never liked them, but that was it! And his tastes were suspect anyway, because Buzzy Linhart was his favorite artist of all time! SD is brilliant - this reviewer imo showed nothing other than his sh*t-fer-brains attitude. "Two Against Nature" is one of, if not THE best release of 2000 so far. To think that they haven't assimilated any of the "progress" in popular music in the last 20 years is to their credit, imo. I think SD and Joni have influenced each other...Joni mentions them in her "My Top 12" interview and spins "Gaucho", and you can't help but think Becker/Fagen listened pretty closely to C&S/HOSL/Hejira and emulated the jazzy song structures and cryptic lyrical patterns. Both basically rewrote the songwriting manual, Joni with her open tunings and SD with their "Mu" chords. There will ALWAYS be room in my ears for lots of both Joni & SD. Of course, I would guess that this reviewer is NOT a Joni fan either, so there you go. And Peg, you've GOTTA love 'em cuz they named a tune after YOU! :~) Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Sirens In the City" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) Thanks ric, P.Henry and all for the support ... it's quite a cross to bear alone as the Defender of DED. As for Paul's ... how shall I put it ... "terse" comment -- I'd have expected nothing less. Actually, it's proof that DED is probably Joni's most visceral album ... isn't it? No harm no foul! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:45:55 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Joni at Rosemont This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >As Mary >mentioned, >> Unfortunately, the sound system was as "harsh" as the published review sent to the list >> yesterday said it was, and it pitted Joni against the orchestra on a couple of occasions. Once, >> there even seemed to be some substantial feedback while she was singing. >> >Vince, Laura and I were in the 1st row balcony and the sound was crystal >clear. Mary, I'm sorry that you heard the harshness. What a great >report of the concert!! I didn't think the sound was harsh at all. I did take notice early on that Joni's voice was very well balanced with the orchestra. I thought that they had learned their lessons from earlier shows. However, during Ludwig's Tune--the orchestra did overwhelm her a couple of times. I attribute that to the arrangement (becuz she was singing her heart out) combined with my not knowing the lyrics. I had no problem hearing every word of Hejira or FTR or Trouble Man in that second set. As for the spotlight, I had already admitted that while I didn't see it, it was probably becuz I was watching JM so closely as she walked off the stage. Howard M - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:55:22 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Steely Dan (NJC) Hey, Bob, Amen to your defense of the ' Dan, Bob. What are "Mu" chords? Please enlighten those of us who don't know, so as to deepen our appreciation. :-) "Boston Jim" > Both basically rewrote the songwriting manual, Joni with her open tunings and Steely Dan with their "Mu" chords. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Check this out: > > > http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm Does this mean that WWJD now stands for "What Would Joni Do?" Brian np: Turbulent Indigo (Vincent Van Gogh was the subject of this morning's A&E Classroom. It seems he shot hmself with a pistol, yet Joni talks about a shotgun in the lyrics) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:00:26 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so I get the covers and I see Nancy Wilson is the first song on one of them and I say Cool, Nancy Wilson. And I put it on and I'm thinking, this gal sounds awfully white but then I think, maybe I don't know Nancy's voice as well as I thought I did. Then, when the CD's over, I put it on again and there's that wierd Nancy Wilson again. She sounds really really white, I think. On the third play, it finally hits me--Oh, Nancy Wilson from Heart Nancy Wilson--not Nancy Wilson the smoky chanteuse. No wonder it sounded so white. Howard M - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:05:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (NJC) <> Oh, man, you're asking a non-musician a musical theory question...but since I brought it up, I better see if I can fumble a response... That "Mu" comment came from the "Royal Scam" songbook, which I bought way back when the record came out, God knows why as I didn't play an instrument but just wanted to 'look' at the music. In the Preface to the songbook, Becker & Fagen discussed their songwriting processes, and mentioned that when they started writing (in the Brill building along with Carole King, Neil Sedaka, etc.) they felt restricted by the common chord structures and invented what they called "Mu" chords, which were mostly jazz chords with an added barre...I'm working from memory and I plead total ignorance on music theory... Anyway, a song like "With a Gun" doesn't have any "Mu" chords in it, just some majors and minors...on the other hand, "Deacon Blues" is just about ALL Mu chords. That being said, maybe some of the more technical among us can take the baton and run with it. (Please!) Whatever, those of you who groove on The Dan know that there are those chords you hear in their stuff which just don't seem to pop up anywhere else... Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "next lifetime" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:10:29 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Wine/Scalpers (NJC) Bob wrote: >Jimmy & Steve D, break out the Boone's Farm - it's the wine & CHEESE party >of >the century! :~) As I am now known worldwide (at least on the jmdl) as a consumer of junk wine, I have to repeat this story. When the Time cover story on Joni came out in '74, it mentioned her drinking Chateau Margaux. I went out and bought two bottles of '69. I think they were $30 at the time - ouch! I gave one to a very dear friend as a wedding gift - and opened the other at my 40th birthday party, many years later. And no, there was no Boone's Farm there! :) Check out today's LA Times for a story on ticket scalping - man, we all knew WE were being screwed - but the story documents how one venue sold several hundred "phantom" seats - NOT on the seating chart - directly to scalpers, so that even the artists didn't get a cut of the money. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:22:54 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC In a message dated 6/8/00 2:10:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Stephen - my latest hunt is for Carla Helmbrecht - jazz version of Song to a Seagull - ahhhh) >> Is this a challenge Ms. Kakki? Are you tossing the gauntlet? Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: HDCD? - --- RandyRemote wrote: > The STAS album will probably have the biggest > difference in sound > quality-the remaster was far superior to the first > issue. Also, the > original CD issue of Court and Spark sounded bad, > the HDCD is > much better Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure if this is the same as HDCD. I think this has been discussed on list before so, sorry if anyone is bored (you know where your delete button is, so move on!). It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* to be HDCD and not really being them as it turned out once the buyer had opened the package. If a CD has been "remastered", does it necessarily follow that it is also HDCD, or should it clearly say HDCD somewhere on the package? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: was don's dander, now a poem for paul...(NJC) - --- RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: >what i REALLY wanna know is how > come when i open my big > tactless mouth, i get charbroiled by this sweety pie > list, and paul gets away > with it EVERY TIME???) > (Pssssstt, Ric, over here where I can talk to you real quiet.... [...is it ..... safe?] [some of us just ignore him...]) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Steely Dan: Pros playing bum music > > By Craig Marine > OF THE EXAMINER STAFF June 7, 2000 > Call me sick. I like Steely Dan but I still got a few good chuckles out of this review. Almost, but not quite, laughed my expanding middle-aged ass off about it... I guess I don't mind a negative review if it's humourous. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: HDCD? My. You want straight answers from Recording and Producing Companies???? A remaster does not necessarily involve HDCD. It means the digital recording was taken from the original master tapes, which could have been analog or digital to begin with. Crappy cd recordings are copied from the analog recordings that were distributed, but not from the masters. HDCD is a process used to improve the remastering. Proponents claim is makes for a more natural and less harsh recording. Many cd players can't decode it, but my DSVD player can. For the life of me, I can't hear a discernable difference. But as long as it doesn't add to the cost of the cd, it makes little matter to me. Jerry On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- RandyRemote wrote: > > The STAS album will probably have the biggest > > difference in sound > > quality-the remaster was far superior to the first > > issue. Also, the > > original CD issue of Court and Spark sounded bad, > > the HDCD is > > much better > > Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? > Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure > if this is the same as HDCD. I think this has been > discussed on list before so, sorry if anyone is bored > (you know where your delete button is, so move on!). > It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* > to be HDCD and not really being them as it turned out > once the buyer had opened the package. If a CD has > been "remastered", does it necessarily follow that it > is also HDCD, or should it clearly say HDCD somewhere > on the package? > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Pat M. on Kenny G. -- Some thoughts (NJC) Well Pat's pretty much on target ... and his argument is one that passionate musicians have been making for quite awhile about any number of, for lack of a better term, "profane heresies." These range widely, from muzak arrangements of popular songs, to the bald-faced stealing of classical melodies for syrupy ballads like "All By Myself", to 'classic' songs becmoing TV commercial jingles. And I couldn't agree more that this playing-along-with-the-deceased thing is creepy -- the absolute worst being Richard Carpenter's putting together an orchestra and touring with video clips of Karen singing the songs. YIKES! But there's something in the argument that always ends up rubbing me the wrong way. However justified, the assertion that some music and artists are "sacred" ends up sounding elitist and exclusionary. Behind the indignation, and clarion calls for "resepect" lurks an ugly idea that music itself is ONLY for the dedicated and serious. "If you just want to listen and enjoy a tune -- f**k off." This kind of attitude is dangerous and incendiary for a couple of reasons. First of all, the only thing Pat's likely to end up destroying are his chances of reaching a wider audience. The ultimate result of this could go as far as his being unable to justify his art to the all-too-financially focused industry. That would be a tragedy ... no doubt. Of course, in the meanwhile, Kenny G'll keep pumping out multi-platinum "genuine junkfood" CDs ... and it's music itself that will be the worse for it. Now don't get me wrong ... what Kenny G did is shameless, tasteless ... and would be so even if he were a more accomplished soloist. And Pat gets a big "You GO!" from me for calling it out so plainly and eloquently as he did. I just think it would be terrible if he were to fall victim of the "unintended consequences" of his speaking out. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > BTW, she's a natural blonde so she can _not_ be > referring to her hair! > > > In Jim Savage's section of JJ's recent posting on > Wally's page, JS said, > > "Interesting, Joni talked about her being away from > home for some time now > and that her "roots" were showing. At first I was > looking for the hidden > meaning in this comment, but could she have just > been making a candid > comment about her hair? Looked fine to me." The reason blondes have more fun (damn them!) is that they don't go grey as quickly or as noticeably as us dark-haired types. I read something recently about this, and it makes sense (to a point). We all have dark, red and blonde (light) pigments in our hair. Which pigments we have more of, determines the colour of our hair. And, the darker the pigment, the sooner it is to fade to grey. Therefore, dark-haired people tend to show the grey sooner, redheads next, and finally blondes. So goes the logic. On the other hand, genes play a major role in this as well. I've mentioned before that my husband, who is older than me, and whose hair is darker than mine, has very little grey in his hair, whereas mine, if not for the help of the Clairol company, would probably be at least 40% yukky mouse-grey (but I don't have the courage to find out for sure!) So Joni is doubly blessed in having great cheekbones, and being a blonde. Curse you, Joni Mitchell, curse you for having the nerve to be so <> beautiful... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote about Steely Dan: > Who cares if one > is bald and the other > looks like a singing accountant? > > Some of my best friends are accountants, right MG? > Does everyone have to > look like Jagger Is someone implying that Jagger is GOOD-LOOKING??? My God, the guy looks like a prune on a stick. He was NEVER good-looking and now he's just this OLD not-good-looking fart cavorting around on stage like a manic handpuppet. So retire, already, Mick, and take those dried-up skeleton friends of yours with you. Go to Vegas, or something... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:02:15 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb Last week I suggested that the most important theme that rendered Hissing a "total work" was the chronology within, the way that the songs were positioned in sequence on the arc of life. (Since then someone described how her current show is also structured as a chronology, in this case the chronology of a generic love affair. But they were not enjoying how explicit and didactic she was in guiding her audience along the chronology...) Now I would submit that the second most important theme, and the one that indicates why it is "graphically" a "total work" is the theme that she puts before us when we first pick up this creation of hers: the triangle of city, jungle, suburb-- a triangle which is both a matter of location and culture. On the cover we find: the city in the background, and a jungle scene (with snake) in the foreground. It's an implausible dualism. (Someone from Tasmania suggested that the city was growing out of the jungle, which might make sense from a Tasmanian perspective. But while cities grow out of the jungle in Asia and South American and Africa, they do not do so in North America, Joni's part of the world.) On the back is an affluent suburban enclave, a little island of wealth. This is not located within the jungle (in North America), but nonetheless located within the green of nature, and so is a kind of intermediary place between the undeveloped and the urban. When we listen to Hissing, we find out (as the curious title has already hinted) that the dualism which the cover present us with, is not as acute as we supposed: Firstly, the jungle and the snake are in the city-- in a metaphoric sense. The disruptive "Jungle Line" is about stumbling upon the jungle and snake in the city. Within the arc of life that Joni sets out, it pertains to initial adulthood: Hitting urban adulthood hard, the innocent girl (from the Canadian plains) stumbling down into the bohemian urban jungly nether-world, a world of primitive predation and primitive, addictive self-destruction. The underlying jungle drums signal a musical and lyrical disruption of the happier days of "In France." Now you suddenly realize that this isn't Court and Spark, Pt. II. "I don't think we're in Alberta anymore, Toto!" Secondly, the snake is in the suburbs: the lawns are hissing. The idyllic enclave turns out to be the site of a troubled marriage, the tense, materialist, "fading," suburban circumstance... Joni presents marriage as essentially a matter of materialism and possession (esp. the possession of the wife). In sum, a bad outcome, exchanging youthful unmarried romance for mere things. The question remains, has Joni made it to her idyllic suburban Southern California enclave and successfully escaped the snake? Well, she isn't married, is she? She's still pursuing the busy romances of the unencumbered celebrity. We find her in her suburban pool, but lolling about in her bikini, outside of marriage, still "shining" like the gorgeous erotic apparition that Harry determined to reel in when he saw her emerging from the pool. Nonetheless, she can hear the lawns hissing. So, are these her neighbor's lawns, our her own? Bruce Merrill PS One of the great strengths of this album lies in Joni's ability to move from the observed, generic, third person view to the autobiographical, and back again. The more or less autobiographical songs in Hissing being: In France (yes?), the Boho Dance, Sweet Bird (most autobiographical and most liked, I believe), Shadows and Light. I'm sure this back and forth is also in evidence in the manner in which she approaches her current show. It's a measure of her surprising intelligence. Go Joni go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:10:11 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY The exact same thing happened with me, Howard. I was scratching my head for a few spins. When the light finally went on, I had a good laugh. :-) "Boston Jim" >On the third play, it finally hits me--Oh, Nancy Wilson from Heart Nancy >Wilson--not Nancy Wilson the smoky chanteuse. > > Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:09:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You NJC <> OOOh...it's "East Meets West", The Big Apple vs. The City of the Angels in a Joni covers showdown! LOL! Just don't start bidding *against* each other, you two! :~D And while I'm thinking about it, what's the status of that Goldie Hawn cover of Carey, Erin? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:57:14 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Carla Helmbrecht Hi Kakki! If you haven't found the Carla Helmbrecht cover of STAS, let me know, as I just found a copy and will order it! Stephen (wondering who Carla Helmbrecht is and how he got into "gauntlet tossing") NP: Happiness Is The Best Facelift (TTT) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:03:52 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Early Joni Info Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:28:06 -0700 From: susan+rick This got sent earlier today by mistake before it was ready to go. P. Henry posted a few days ago: > while we're on the subject of Joni's early > history there's a question I'd like to throw out > there to complete some info I'd like to find out. > most of us are aware that Chuck and Joni met in a > Toronto coffeehouse and then married... but > probably few of us are aware of how unique that > coffehouse was. it was actually two clubs, one > upstairs and one down... one for Canadian > performers, one for American. the only other info > I have is that I know one of the clubs was called > the Riverboat. is there anyone out there who > knows: 1) what the name of the other club was, 2) > which (Can/US) was up and which was down and 3) > which was named what? The Toronto coffeehouse scene in the late 60's revolved around the Yorkville district, the remnants of a village swallowed up by Toronto's expansion. Most of the houses were beautiful Victorians and the several blocks surrounding Yorkville Avenue made up a funky oasis just north of the highrise downtown Yonge and Bloor district. There were, at one time, over forty clubs and coffeehouses in Yorkville, all cheek by jowl, with live music every night. Young people hung out on the streets all night long--Toronto's unofficial Hippie District. Joni first got work in 1964 at the Penny Farthing, where she met Chuck. The Penny Farthing was at street level but I don't remember it being right above the Riverboat which was a narrow, long basement room. The Riverboat, managed by Bernie Fiedler, did feature a lot of big-name American acts (I saw Tom Rush there twice) but also booked big Canadian acts like Gordon Lightfoot and Murray McLaughlin. Others who played regularly in Yorkville were Neil Young (and the Mynah Birds), Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Ian and Sylvia, Denny Doherty, Phil Ochs, and The Sparrows who eventually became Steppenwolf, along with dozens of other well-known acts. (The Yonge Street club strip was the stomping grounds of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks who went on to become The Band.) Yorkville started to fall apart as a good place to hang out by 1969, overrun by drugs and "bad vibes". Gentrification started soon after that and Yorkville eventually became an upscale shopping district. Anyone interested in more detail should pick up a book called "Before the Gold Rush: Flashbacks to the Dawn of the Canadian Sound" by Nicholas Jennings (published by Viking). All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb <> Very nice piece, Bruce...and as a footnote, I'd add that the Rolling Stone take of HOSL pops up every now & then...in the LATEST issue, the one that has the "Hall of Fame" review of C&S that Ric so industrially reproduced for us, they state "Further Listening" as: Blue***** For The Roses****1/2 HOSL**** so apparently they've had a change of heart and have recognized it as the masterwork that it is. Funny, RS makes no mention of Hejira OR DED! ;~D Bob NP: The Band, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (Last Waltz) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: [none] Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net version is text only. To read it, go here: http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: For those who thought Joni got bad reviews (NJC)(md) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Is someone implying that Jagger is GOOD-LOOKING??? There are two essential points of view ... first, from the Broadway musical "Hair": 'I'm not gay or anything ... but I'd do Mick Jagger in a heartbeat.' Second, from 'Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery': 'It was the '60s ... you could have bad teeth and still be a sex symbol.' Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:48:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) > >--- Deb Messling wrote: >> Check this out: >> >> >> http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm oh my god this is funny! i had to type in some other websites, it was so great. i also took the spark.com death test, which you can do from that site. it is definately worth the laugh. the questions are great. apparently, i am going to die on april 21, 2041. brian wrote: >Does this mean that WWJD now stands for "What Would Joni Do?" here in mormon land, phrases like "what would jesus do?" are actually muttered in sincerity. i love that, brian. my new mantra is definately "what would joni do?" a little punch drunk on an almost-friday... alison e. in slc. np: tracy chapman "telling stories" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:48:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: judy collins(NJC) Victor Johnson wrote: > I sent an email message to Judy Collins last evening and she responded to me > the same night. I didn't really expect to hear back from her so soon. > Really nice lady... Yes she is. Always a class act. Some of we JMDLer's are going to see her in The Folk Music Museum benefit concert in NYC on the 14th. Also appearing: Pete Seeger, Oscar Brand, John Sebastian, Odetta, and Josh White Jr. Anyone interested in joining us, let me know. $30 general admission. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:57:32 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #317 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:01:35 -0400 From: vivienne j wildes I bought tix on line and received poor seating. I met someone at the concert who bought fifth row center one week before the show and another who had 4th row center and bought her tickets only two weeks before the show. I bought my on-line tix two days after they went on sale, so I figured it was a sold out show. My recommendation: call - -------------------------- Vivienne J. Wildes PhD Candidate Hotel, Restaurant and Institutional MGMT Penn State University University Park, PA 16802 email: vwildes@psu.edu phone: (814) 238-3447 865-1851 fax: (814) 238-8424 - ----------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #318 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?