From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #311 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, June 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 311 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni at the E-Centre in Camden [Brian Gross ] NJC virus [Linda Worster ] Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden [Brian Gross ] [none] [Bounced Message ] Barangrill ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) ["John van Tiel" ] One Year of JMDL (NJC) [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: One Year of JMDL (NJC) [pat holden ] Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Meriweather Post (now NJC) [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] tuning question ["James O. Phillips" ] Joni fanzines ["Karen O'Brien" ] Re: tuning question ["Jamie Zubairi" ] [none] [Walter R Rodgers III ] Re: Coming Down from N.O. [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Camden show~hi ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Camden show~hi [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) [SCJoniGu] Re: Barangrill ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden ["Kakki" ] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] C.C. 's report on New York May 23 [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Barangrill ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: mermaid cafe [Relayer211@aol.com] RE: mermaid cafe ["Wally Kairuz" ] jaco's brass SJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) [FMYFL@aol.co] Re: One Year of JMDL (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] New Orleans [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: New Orleans NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden [Heather ] Re: Icarus (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (now the Real Thing)(NJC) [susan+rick ] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) [Michael Paz ] flashbacks and flat doughnuts(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:23:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) Michael writes: << Anyways I miss you guys so much and I raise my Boston Cooler to you all. >> ......and Michael, I raise that pain in the ass Cuban of mine to you too! (it did take me 3 hours to figure out what PITA meant - Ed thought you were doing a Bette Davis impression :-) ) I'll be at the Howlin' Wolf again tonight just to see if anyone will show. I can't believe it's been a week already. Thanks again Michael. You are the greatest! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden 36 hours later, words still fail me. This was THE BEST, bar none, Live Performance I have ever experienced. Even better than A Day In The Garden, and those who were around me that day may remember Joni's effect on me that day! Being in the second row on Friday evening certainly made a difference. Being a mere 20 feet away from her, with a direct sightline between us, allowed me to make eye contact a few times, and even lead the chorus of standing ovations. Joni's voice was right on. I heard no hoarseness at all. She was having a great time. She knew it was the end of a wonderful tour and was having fun. She rocked and swayed behind her microphone stand (where no regrets were taped nor chewing gum stuck ;-) Her hands were in constant motion, as if she were transcribing each song in emotional sign language. I found myself not being able to sit still in my seat. I must have looked like one of those spring-necked dogs people keep on the rear decks of their cars, my head bopping during every song and my lips silently tracing out every lyric right along with her. The nice old lady sitting next to me must have thought I was obsessed, or something :-) And when I explained about our JMDL family, she knew for sure. And Joni's hand motions really got to me during Ludwig's Tune, as she played air piano (right along with me) during the non-vocal interludes. Simply amazing! It was wonderful being able to get togather with so many jmdlers before and at the show, both old and new. The Chinese Cafe owner wanted to know when we were coming back! I hope we get to do this again very soon, with the release of the next album. Joni, Larry, and Vince - you all did great! Take a short break, then get back to work! Times-a-wasting!! ;-) Wishing only the best of everything for all my siblings-in-Joni, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:35:17 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: NJC virus Hi everyone- Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but I'm concerned I may have picked up that "Pretty Park" worm we discussed here a few months back. Does anyone still have the info that was posted on how to get rid of this? If so, would you send it to me? Thanks. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 06:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden 36 hours later, words still fail me. This was THE BEST, bar none, Live Performance I have ever experienced. Even better than A Day In The Garden, and those who were around me that day may remember Joni's effect on me that day! Being in the second row on Friday evening certainly made a difference. Being a mere 20 feet away from her, with a direct sightline between us, allowed me to make eye contact a few times, and even lead the chorus of standing ovations. Joni's voice was right on. I heard no hoarseness at all. She was having a great time. She knew it was the end of a wonderful tour and was having fun. She rocked and swayed behind her microphone stand (where no regrets were taped nor chewing gum stuck ;-) Her hands were in constant motion, as if she were transcribing each song in emotional sign language. I found myself not being able to sit still in my seat. I must have looked like one of those spring-necked dogs people keep on the rear decks of their cars, my head bopping during every song and my lips silently tracing out every lyric right along with her. The nice old lady sitting next to me must have thought I was obsessed, or something :-) And when I explained about our JMDL family, she knew for sure. And Joni's hand motions really got to me during Ludwig's Tune, as she played air piano (right along with me) during the non-vocal interludes. Simply amazing! It was wonderful being able to get togather with so many jmdlers before and at the show, both old and new. The Chinese Cafe owner wanted to know when we were coming back! I hope we get to do this again very soon, with the release of the next album. Joni, Larry, and Vince - you all did great! Take a short break, then get back to work! Times-a-wasting!! ;-) Wishing only the best of everything for all my siblings-in-Joni, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:41:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) why on earth is vernors ginger ale so hard to find?!?!?!?! do you have to be from michigan? is this a soft drink inner circle kinda thing? i declare! wallyk >by mixing several large scoops of vanilla ice cream into the > blender and pouring Vernors Ginger Ale over it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:42:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Cotton Avenue believe it or not, that's jaco's bass, jamie!!!! wallyk > Hello > > Has anyone else noticed that there is a brass solo at the end of Cotton > Avenue but in the CD booklets (both non-HDCD and HDCD) no one is listed as > the player! I wonder why? > > Is the musician listed on the LP inside? I'd have to go to my folk's place > to find that one out. > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 08:59:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] From: "william" Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:54:42 +0700 I come for conversation, you comfort me sometimes, comfort and consultation, that's what I find reading all your accounts of the current Joni tour. Though I must say I am so-o-o-o-o envious of you all there seeing Joni. I sat down and listened to BSN for an nth time and goddamn I heard something new. Nuttin specific, just new depths. As if Joni has never done that to us before. DJRD comes to mind. If ever a work grew that was the one. To this day the title track, is for me, Joni's peak. (Am I opening up a discussion?). The poetry 'bout the eagle and the serpent being at war in me - chezus - the imagery is Shakespearian and the driving repetitiveness of the music adds to the whole. So deep. Quick change of subject though related. We do get a form of MTV here in Indonesia, shallow or what, as my good buddy said emptyV. Good on Joni for speaking out about the shallowness of the current fare. Unfair. No fault of theirs (the BoyZones), they are out there doing it and raking in $$$$$$$$$$$s. But still. My own mother was abhored at the music I listened to at 14. T.Rex. I still love Jeepster, Hot Love, Ride a White Swan. She did like Rod Stewart. What can I say? Music has so many facets. The melody, the rhythm, the ........ but I do agree with Joni that rock and roll came in as bright as a neon light and is burning out right there before us. Here's to a return to Motownism and the like. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:00:19 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Barangrill Hello I've just read an article on the jmdl site about a London performance Joni made in 1972. It describes her performing LOTC songs and Blue songs and 'some new songs' one of which was a 'comparatively light' song 'inspired by a meal at Trader Cie's'. Could this be where the REAL Barangrill is? Has this been answered by someone before? Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:39:45 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) Meanwhile, on the coast of Holland. . a 6 foot 3 Dutchman is listening to music and staring out over the sea, his head full of slides and fragments from an amazing trip to N.O., his body harbouring the last remnants of a jet lag. It's all so vivid still . I see Paz with a 90-miles-an-hour look in his eyes on Thursday and Paz in deep concentration on stage performing an unbelievably heartfelt version of Hejira at the Howling Wolf. I see Paz thinking seventy thoughts at once and trying to be at twenty places at the same time. I see twenty people sitting in the backyard of Paz's house, all with a snug grinny smile on their faces, listening to Marcel, singing along with Eric (catboy), talking, drinking, no one left out, all apparently totally relaxed - someone in the backyard answering Marian's midnight call from Vienna - Marian who was so deeply missed. I see Kakki, bug-bitten, refusing to give in to fatigue, nasty insects, the effects of Martinis, taking in every second, every moment, every note of music. I feel the warm pang inside when I receive two beautiful framed pictures of Joni as a gift from someone from a different continent whom I just met for the first time and who is as overwhelmed by the whole atmosphere as I am - thanks so much, Jimmy; they're right in front of me. Teach me that hug you have, every detail. I see the hotel room again ('Y'all have a gud jam t'nite') enjoying a quiet moment with Bob, Bernd - you have a winning recipe there with those pecan caramel cookies, Bernd - Claudia & more music. I see Phyllis, exhausted, stretched out on the lawn of the deserted plantation, staring up to the early evening sky, not saying anything - you looked so at ease, so peaceful. My heart fills again for Jack Neilson who went out of his way to please each and everyone of us; he thought only the best was good enough for us. Jack, you ARE the best. Perhaps one day some brilliant man or woman may invent a car that will enable you to drive in three directions at once. That will be the ideal car for you. I still feel the hand on my shoulder and my hand on that hand when candles are burnt in memory of Wally - Tiger Bones undulating like a soothing shroud from the speakers, the respectful silence of a crowd that, for the most part, did not even know him. I hear the disappointment in Jody's voice on the other end of the phone when she says: "I should have gone, I knew it.". I walk again with Bob through the heat of a city with a climate lethal to someone from a Nordic country who loves snow, winter, fire-places and visible breaths. We talk and talk and talk and talk. and I sweat. My heart melts and opens again for Claud, on stage in the Howling Wolf, singing Conversation, and I see her face when the audience bursts into a roar after the last note. She radiates . so beautiful, so unglaublich schön. And I see Leslie again in Paz's living room, singing her soul out in Edith & The Kingpin, David Lahm answering with an unbelievably inspired solo. three, four musicians looking at one another, realising that this is a magic moment. I see Les and Bob going completely out of their minds at the Howling Wolf - Les, the quiet one. yeah, right. I see Lahm pacing the grounds of the Howling Wolf like a caged tiger, revving himself up because he's not on for another hour, and another hour - and, boy, does it all come out once he starts playing! I see quiet Bryan turn into a stage animal. I hear music and music and music. I think of Helen in New Zealand - no, I have never met you, or even written to you off-list - and her "Can I be there, too, next time?" post. Yes, please, Helen, it is worth crossing oceans for. I hear Steve Polifka's powerful voice from the other room and think: "wow". And I see his surprised face in the hotel again after he opens the door. And I feel a light disappointment that I did not spent more time with "My dearest Scarlett", Lori, the one I perhaps looked forward most of all to meet - we must meet up soon here in Europe, either in France or in Holland. and talk for hours, enjoy wine, food, music, gossip. I see the hurt look on Michael's face in the hotel lobby, trying to get someone on the phone and not succeeding. I still feel Monday night's goodbye hug. If only you knew how much I did not want to leave. And I see Jim Man-o'God, and Jerry Never-Mess-With-A-Librarian-About-Facts, the intense concentration on Steve Mixon's face when he plays . and everyone else again . Steve & Pearl, Victor (beautiful CD!) . the non-listers having just as good a time as the listers . And I pop into catgirl and Eric again around midnight on Bourbon Street, both of them glowing like happy children. I see how tired Michael is, and how proud - you have every right to be, Paz. . and I know Joni would have been impressed, too, by the sheer quality of the performances. I am so happy to have been part of the N'Awlins Fest. This is such a wonderful group of friends. To those who are getting fed up with the N.O. what-a-great-time-we-had stories: I will now fade into lurkdom again. By far not everything has been said, but I'll keep some of the diamonds to myself - to treasure. (and now . back to explaining to the people around me that we are no nerds; we have lives already; no, we are no sect; and yes, most of us are quite normal for the rest of the year) The sea is quiet today. John van Tiel NP: Mathilde Santing: To others, to one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:47:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: One Year of JMDL (NJC) hi everyone! it strikes me this week that it is approximately one year that i have been a member of this list...i joined (just typed "joni-ed" by habit) just before or during all the hype of the NYC central park Joni's Jazz concert -- a great introduction for me into this quirky, creative, good-hearted and wonderfully FLUENT group. thanks to all who made, and continue to make, me feel welcome among you -- keep it coming with all the spiky insightful words on joni, on all things. happy anniversary to me! - -- emily NP: the kronos quartet, "pieces of africa" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:06:04 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: One Year of JMDL (NJC) congrats Emily! Ive only been here since early April and yet it feels as though Ive been here forever. there's no place like home. mags. Emily Kirk Gray wrote: > hi everyone! it strikes me this week that it is approximately > one year that i have been a member of this list...i joined > (just typed "joni-ed" by habit) just before or during all the > hype of the NYC central park Joni's Jazz concert -- a great > introduction for me into this quirky, creative, good-hearted > and wonderfully FLUENT group. > > thanks to all who made, and continue to make, me feel welcome > among you -- keep it coming with all the spiky insightful words > on joni, on all things. > > happy anniversary to me! > > -- emily > > NP: the kronos quartet, "pieces of africa" - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:03:17 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI Craig, Talked to a mutual friend about Dennis Chambers the other day. Dennis and I are doing a tune this friend's record, and he's going out w/ Victor Bailey, to Australia / NZ , in a band which includes Jim Beard, also a BB collaborator. As a sax player, Dennis is great to work with, but a little unnerving considering who he's worked w/, (Brecker, Bob Berg, David Sanborn, Chris Potter, Bob Sheppard, {Steely Dan}etc...to name a few. Nice chat....JM sure has rubbed elbows with some of the best in the business. NP: Sweet Sucker Dance: JM Mingus {JACO RULES!!} Dave F. Craig Harris wrote: > You're runn'in i the tall grass with the big dogs !! You are talk'in > about two of my favorite monsters in the business !! Michael and Dennis > are giants !! I'm an electric bassis tand I had the opportunity to play > and hang with Mike Stern at a jam session at a mutual friends house in > LA about 5 years ago. I finally saw him again on the Brecker Bros tour > and he took me back to meet Michael and Dennis........a pleasure !!. > It's amazing who you run into here !! > > Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 11:58:00 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: nazareth = cheese? >Well, Volumes 4, "The Power Of Cheese" is in progress... here's what's on it >so far: > >1. Adrienne Barbeau, "I Had a King" >2. Claudine Longet, "BSN" >3. Boomtang Boys, "BSN" >4. Kathie Lee Gifford, "Born For You/The Circle Game" >5. Leonard Nimoy, "BSN" >6. Nazareth, "This Flight Tonight" Oh, no, am I the only one who groooveth to this cover?? Say it isn't so! Bru ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:07:52 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: Meriweather Post (now NJC) Bob Sheppard is doing the North American shows w/ Steely Dan. I've heard about Rocco's, must be great to hear that level of musicianship in a local joint.. Baltimore is a little lean w/ respect to venues, but DC is an hour away, and NYC only 3, so I can satisity my jones. Now Nawlins is another story, it's tough to come back from, especially after the time y'all had I'm sure, wish I could have been there. Dave F. Kakki wrote: > Dave wrote: > > >It was a labor of love that's for sure, although my musician >friends > thought I did a bit too much editorializing, and gushed >too much about Bob > Sheppard, but oh well. > > It was beautiful. Bob Sheppard deserves all the gushing he gets! I can't > wait until he and Peter Erskine get back to L.A. again and do their gigs at > the little Rocco's here. They're one of those (all too rare) groups that > make me exclaim "now that's REAL music!" > > > On that note, gonna get to see Bob w/ Steely Dan at >Meriweather in July, > can't wait. > > Bob's going to play with Steely Dan?! Golly, that reminds me I'm seeing SD > here in L.A. in less than 2 weeks! My mind and heart is still in Nawlins > ;-D > > Kakki > > NP: Jason Marsalis - It Came From The Planet of Nebtoon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:11:35 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) Oh John! Thanks for expressing fo beautifully what a magical time we all had. I, for one, am NOT tired of hearing about it. Phyliss John van Tiel wrote: > Meanwhile, on the coast of Holland. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:17:38 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Cotton Avenue Really?!?!?!? How is he managing to make that sound? It is amazing if it is! Jamie Z - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally Kairuz To: Jamie Zubairi ; JMDL Sent: 04 June 2000 15:42 Subject: RE: Cotton Avenue > believe it or not, that's jaco's bass, jamie!!!! > wallyk > > > Hello > > > > Has anyone else noticed that there is a brass solo at the end of Cotton > > Avenue but in the CD booklets (both non-HDCD and HDCD) no one is listed as > > the player! I wonder why? > > > > Is the musician listed on the LP inside? I'd have to go to my folk's place > > to find that one out. > > > > Much Joni > > > > Jamie Zoob > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:37:02 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) In a message dated 6/4/00 10:48:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << is this a soft drink inner circle kinda thing? >> you! you soda fascist! ------------------------------ Date: Sun Jun 04 13:23:41 EDT 2000 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: tuning question I have a question for anyone that may be able to help me. In the live Painting with words and music video, what is the tuning to Just Like this Train, and Woodstock? I was just curious, because, to my ears, they sound lower than normal. Any help is appreciated. James - ---------- Message To Spammers -- Game Over! Get spam-free email at http://www.MsgTo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:21:59 +0100 From: "Karen O'Brien" Subject: Joni fanzines I wonder if anyone knows of any fanzines dedicated to Joni ? I have been told there was a UK one but haven’t been able to track it down. With many thanks and good wishes, Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:24:21 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: tuning question Hello James It probably is a little lower than the original as it is easier to tune the whole guitar whole keys lower with the VG-8. I haven't listened to PWWAM and worked out if this is the case but thanks for bringing it up! Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message > I have a question for anyone that may be able to help me. > > In the live Painting with words and music video, what is the tuning to Just Like this Train, and Woodstock? I was just curious, because, to my ears, they sound lower than normal. Any help is appreciated. > > James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:32:23 -0400 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: [none] Hi... This tour of joni's was such a treat in so many ways, I just had to post something about it. meeting other listers for the first time was nice... feel more connected to this whole thing you've got here. At NYC, the standards she did really clicked with me and Hejira took on a whole new meaning, no shit. At the Merriwether, Judgement seemed so sincere and pognaint, like it was autobiographical. FTR also hit me much deeper than it ever had, and believe me I'd listened to it a thousand times prior. At Camden BSN struck me like her swansong, and Trouble Man could have gone on for an hour as far as I was concerned. Thanks to all the people who I met and took the time to share their thoughts on all this stuff... walter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Coming Down from N.O. First Phyliss wrote: > < from Paz Fest, New Orleans. I'm having trouble concentrating on the > real world and getting some much needed work done. What a life changing > event it was!>> Then my brother-in-Joni, Bob M wrote: > You are definitely NOT the only one, Phyliss...I've mentioned privately to a > couple of the other Festers that same sentiment...what I'd give to be > munching on beignets and coffee, surrounded by my fellow Joniphiles, or > singing all night (my voice has finally recovered). > > And I know those who have had the meet n' greets for the concerts probably > feel the same. > > You almost get the feeling that life isn't MEANT to be that good, like we've > stumbled on to kind of a secret world... Yes, Bob. You hit the nail right smack on the head. Do you think we might find a site somewhere on this marbled bowling ball to establish 'JoniWorld?' We could all get back to the Garden, together. All of you, the JMDL Family, thank you For being here For everything. And most of all, Joni, thank you very much, *for everything* Peace and love and hugs to all, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:37:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden << Her hands were in constant motion, as if she were transcribing each song in emotional sign language. >> Great phrase, Brian! And a great write-up too...I'm so glad you were so close to Joni and got the show you deserve to see! Of course, I should have known that the Chinese Cafe was in order. ;-) Bob NP: XTC, "Life Begins at the Hop" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:43:24 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Camden show~hi Hi! I figured this seemed like a good time to introduce myself...I also saw Joni Friday night in Camden and I was blown away I always love watching her perform. I have only seen her once before at A Day In The Garden. Which was a very different show than last night but both were special in their own way. it was great to see her do songs that she wanted to do and loved doing. I liked her point with the Beethoven story too...lol. I play guitar and the archives of songs on the list page are amazing thanks if the people are here that worked out the tabs. Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Walter R Rodgers III Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:32 PM To: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: Hi... This tour of joni's was such a treat in so many ways, I just had to post something about it. meeting other listers for the first time was nice... feel more connected to this whole thing you've got here. At NYC, the standards she did really clicked with me and Hejira took on a whole new meaning, no shit. At the Merriwether, Judgement seemed so sincere and pognaint, like it was autobiographical. FTR also hit me much deeper than it ever had, and believe me I'd listened to it a thousand times prior. At Camden BSN struck me like her swansong, and Trouble Man could have gone on for an hour as far as I was concerned. Thanks to all the people who I met and took the time to share their thoughts on all this stuff... walter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:03:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Camden show~hi << Hi! I figured this seemed like a good time to introduce myself...I also saw Joni Friday night in Camden and I was blown away >> Hi back to you Nikki! And welcome to the Jonilist! So how many of Joni's shows have you seen? I'm a long time fan but have only seen her in '98 and '00, both in Atlanta... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:09:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) John...this was pure poetry! Very moving, made this butch boy get watery-eyed more than once. And here's the amazing thing, for those of you who've not had the PLEASURE of meeting this gentle giant of a man...English is only about his 4th strongest language!! Please consider relocating to South Carolina - you could learn to speak redneck! ;-D As for me, I'm so stupid I called his Dutch song "German" last year... Bob NP: XTC, "Another Satellite" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:12:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Barangrill > I've just read an article on the jmdl site about a London >performance Joni made in 1972. It describes her performing >LOTC songs and Blue songs and 'some new songs' one of >which was a 'comparatively light' song 'inspired by a meal at >Trader Cie's'. Could this be where the REAL Barangrill is? Has this been answered by someone before? Jamie, I've never seen this reference or question before here. This is interesting to me - I'd always imagined Barangrill to be some little place in British Columbia but probably not. She was performing Barangrill live in 1972 - it's on the tape Pat Mead made at the Troubadour here that year. Is Trader Cie's a place in London? We've had the famous Trader Vic's here in Beverly Hills for over 40 years. It was one of the original Polynesian/South Pacific type restaurants and the birthplace of the Mai Tai drink. Definitely one of the places where one would be able to order Zombie's and Singapore Slings. ;-) Kakki NP: Jason Marsalis - Marakatu de Modernizar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:19:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden > 36 hours later, words still fail me. This was THE BEST, bar none, Live Performance I have ever experienced. Ah Brian, I'm so happy for you and the others who got to see this show. I can tell by everyone's accounts that you were all blown away. Sounds like there was an, ahem, recording of this one - I am now officially and shamelessly begging for a copy when it surfaces ;-) Kakki, wishing she'd hitched a ride home by way of Catgirl and Claudia now ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:16:29 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) Doug in shocked outrage wrote: > In a message dated 6/4/00 10:48:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: > > << is this a soft drink inner circle kinda thing? > >> > you! you soda fascist! And now we have come full cycle to the thread of my first job being a soda jerk at my uncle's drug store sometime in the prior century, and I am hoping to steer the conversation towards the superiority of a Coke made at a fountain versus the bottled and canned stuff. And the first person to say they inhale their coke, not drink it, has to listen to Keith Moon, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, and other such musicians for the rest of the week and figure out a theme there... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:22:06 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: C.C. 's report on New York May 23 Thank you C.C. for that wonderful description of the New York concert. And the pictures. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:31:08 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Barangrill Kakki Trader Vic's! That does sound like the sort of place it would be! I wouldn't think it's a place in London (unless some of the older Londoners can vouch for that!) The article is written by a UK journo and I get the feeling that he/she wasn't paying much attention to detail and therefore could be a typo or a misread of his/her scribblings. Maybe a jmdl scout would be able to find out whether Joni made frequent visits at this Trader Vic's place and find some reference to her there (3 old waitresses in black diamond earrings, that kinda thing) I know what you mean about the BC 'feel' to it. I guess it permeates the whole album. It does feel lie she's on he road and a little road weary with it. I know that someone has asked whether Barangrill is a real name for a restaurant. Maybe this is the clue. Jamie Zoob Kakki wrote > > I've never seen this reference or question before here. This is interesting > to me - I'd always imagined Barangrill to be some little place in British > Columbia but probably not. She was performing Barangrill live in 1972 - it's > on the tape Pat Mead made at the Troubadour here that year. Is Trader Cie's > a place in London? We've had the famous Trader Vic's here in Beverly Hills > for over 40 years. It was one of the original Polynesian/South Pacific type > restaurants and the birthplace of the Mai Tai drink. Definitely one of the > places where one would be able to order Zombie's and Singapore Slings. ;-) > > Kakki > > NP: Jason Marsalis - Marakatu de Modernizar > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:15:01 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: mermaid cafe I'd like to know where the Mermaid cafe is!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:39:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: mermaid cafe in matalla, greece. joni talks about it when she introduces carey [sorry, can't remember tape tree number!!!] i love the story about folks trying to look like * freaks* and wearing curlers around their necks!!!!!! wallyk .----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; Enviado: Domingo 4 de Junio de 2000 20:15 Asunto: Re: mermaid cafe > > > I'd like to know where the Mermaid cafe is!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:42:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: jaco's brass SJC i'm amazed too!!!! any fretless bass players on the list that can explain that? wallyk > Really?!?!?!? > > How is he managing to make that sound? > > It is amazing if it is! > > Jamie Z > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wally Kairuz > To: Jamie Zubairi ; JMDL > Sent: 04 June 2000 15:42 > Subject: RE: Cotton Avenue > > > > believe it or not, that's jaco's bass, jamie!!!! > > wallyk > > > > > Hello > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that there is a brass solo at the end of Cotton > > > Avenue but in the CD booklets (both non-HDCD and HDCD) no one is listed > as > > > the player! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:01:16 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Meanwhile on the coast of Holland... (long & very N.O.) The big hearted man John van Tiel wrotes: << I am so happy to have been part of the N'Awlins Fest. This is such a wonderful group of friends. I hope every JMDLer gets a chance to meet this warm, talented, teddy bear. Thank you John for flying all the way over here, and I can't wait to try those wonderful cigars you gave me. I will now fade into lurkdom again. >> Don't lurk too much! You have great things to say! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:04:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: One Year of JMDL (NJC) Emily writes: << hi everyone! it strikes me this week that it is approximately one year that i have been a member of this list.. happy anniversary to me! >> Happy Anniversary Emily! I think paper is the appropriate gift for one's first anniversary, so print this out as my gift to you :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:40:50 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: New Orleans Impressions continue to linger a week later: The welcome by Jack Nielson set everyone on the right footing, and the warm greeting by the Paz family precipitated an air of contentment. I'm even starting to question my premise that there is no such thing as unconditional love... Among the musicians, I was especially glad to meet David Lahm. He's a complex, serious fellow - a paradoxical collision of exuberance and stoicism. He's modest, gifted and intelligent... And then there was the Florida delegation, headed by Jerry Notaro. Along with Jimmy, I have to say that for strangers we fell into conversation so easily; it was really like a reunion. I guess a bond was formed when Jerry and I discovered we attended the same high school in Western New York... As for the man from Havana, everybody was keen on Ed. For one thing, he mixes a generous drink. And his flirtations - also generous - could not be kept in check... I'm still not able to assimilate fully the Sunday concert - an extraordinary assemblage of musical talent performing for seven hours. It included Michael Paz, Victor Johnson, Steve Polifka, CatGirl, Marcel, Claudia S., and Bryan Thomas among the list-members, and a formidable array of outside talent. Bob Muller said (more than once) that this was the best night of his life. I had the feeling he wasn't kidding, and but for my native reticence I'd be inclined to similar enthusiasms. Bern Giordano ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:33:42 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans NJC In a message dated 6/4/00 9:49:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bern44105@aol.com writes: << Impressions continue to linger a week later: >> Too bad you are not in New Orleans THIS weekend. M A I N G A T E - Military Resource & Information Network I sent a team of writers there this weekend. Check out our coverage of the opening of the National D-Day Museum there, through June 6. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:05:10 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Joni at the E-Centre in Camden Oh Simon!! ?? Were you at this show too?? I DO love that hat ! ;-) Heather At 12:19 PM 6/4/00 -0700, Kakki wrote: > > 36 hours later, words still fail me. This was THE BEST, bar none, Live >Performance I have ever experienced. > >Ah Brian, I'm so happy for you and the others who got to see this show. I >can tell by everyone's accounts that you were all blown away. Sounds like >there was an, ahem, recording of this one - I am now officially and >shamelessly begging for a copy when it surfaces ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:54:22 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Icarus (NJC) > >Now some are born to fly high >And some are born to follow >Some are born to touch the sky >While some walk in the hollow >And as I watched your body fall >I knew that really you had won >For your grave was not the earth >But the reflection of the sun reminds me of one of my favorite songs... Some are born to move the world to live their fantasies, But most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be. Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it, For you the blind who once could see, The bell tolls for thee, The bell tolls for thee. from Losing It-Rush Signals Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:21:02 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (now the Real Thing)(NJC) Vince Lavieri posted: > and I > am hoping to steer the conversation towards the superiority of a Coke > made at a fountain versus the bottled and canned stuff. Sorry Vince but I must be adamant about this: First place goes to Coke in the can, but only if you drink it from the can Second, glass bottles Third, fountain Fourth, plastic bottles All rankings are void if the Coke is poured into a paper cup. All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:29:06 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re:coke (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Vince Lavieri To: Siresorrow@aol.com Cc: wallykai@interserver.com.ar ; michaelpaz@telocity.com ; joni@smoe.org Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) > >And now we have come full cycle to the thread of my first job being a >soda jerk at my uncle's drug store sometime in the prior century, and I >am hoping to steer the conversation towards the superiority of a Coke >made at a fountain versus the bottled and canned stuff. The best coke I've ever had has come from the small glass bottles. I don't know why but it seems to taste much better than than the plastic, the metal, or any other coke thingamajigger... Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:39:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) on 6/4/00 9:41 AM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@interserver.com.ar wrote: > why on earth is vernors ginger ale so hard to find?!?!?!?! do you have to be > from michigan? is this a soft drink inner circle kinda thing? > i declare! > wallyk > >> by mixing several large scoops of vanilla ice cream into the >> blender and pouring Vernors Ginger Ale over it > If this WAS and Inner Circle thing, YOU wouldn't have even known about it!!! Michael (still waiting for your salacious self to take the stage in N.O.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:40:25 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Attention Damn Yankees (NJC) on 6/4/00 7:23 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Michael writes: > > << Anyways I miss you guys so much and I raise my Boston Cooler to you > all. >> > > .......and Michael, I raise that pain in the ass Cuban of mine to you too! > (it did take me 3 hours to figure out what PITA meant - Ed thought you were > doing a Bette Davis impression :-) ) > > I'll be at the Howlin' Wolf again tonight just to see if anyone will show. I > can't believe it's been a week already. Thanks again Michael. You are the > greatest! > > Jimmy That would have been Peetah! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:26:30 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: flashbacks and flat doughnuts(NJC) Yesterday we tried making beignets with the mix we had bought in the French Quarter though I'm not sure if we had the right consistency because they seemed rather flat and didn't really expand that much...one of them did seem to puff out a little bit and another seemed to take on the shape of the United States with California snipped off and half of Texas gone. It did remind me an awful lot of sitting in the Cafe Dumond sipping coffee, listening to the sax player around the corner, and getting powdered sugar all over. Ahhhhhhhh what a pleasant morning that was. Later that evening we were standing on the riverwalk, watching big ships sail by, wondering what the big metal rigs were for, killing time before the "gourmet dinner" when a man with a cardboard box and a rag walked up and proceeded to explain that he was a singer, rattled off all these different artists he could sing, and he was very eager to show us how talented he was, so he sang "Dock of the Bay" to prove his ability and insisted that we request a tune. He had mentioned Ray Charles so I requested "Georgia on My Mind" but he said he didn't do Georgia but blurted out a few titles so I picked one and I swear he sounded just like him. We gave him a few dollars and headed on our way. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 01:22:16 -0400 From: Claudia SanSoucie Subject: N'Awlins on cloud nine N'Arwlins moments... Michael storming past me in the airport. Me saying Michael and Michael saying "You cut your hair." ( Now you see, I think my hair is actually pretty long again these days. ) After we grabbed my luggage, I hurried behind Michael, trying to keep up with his 4 foot steps while Michael carried on a conversation with Jack on his cellphone who turns out was actually walking towards us at that point. Wow, cellphone madness is all I can say. Michael and Jack were all out of sorts over Michael having gotten his car booted minutes before we arrived at his car. Poor Jack felt so bad about it. Now at this point I have yet to have a clue what it means to have your car booted! Everything was moving so fast while I felt like in slow motion, or more like bobbing driftwood once I was riding all through town with fabulous Jack. Michael had abandoned us to take care of business, and he could have not left me in nicer hands. We stopped at Cafe Madelaine for coffee and wonderful sweet delicacies. La Madelaine's assortment of pastries made me immediately feel at home (home meaning Europe) Jack's stories are a story by itself. I am really fortunate to have had this time with him and seeing the French Quarter from his point of view. My best to you Jack ... I wish your move up north will turn out golden. When Jack was ready for his next airport run, he dropped me off in the French Quarter where we were to meet again around 5:30. This gave me plenty of time to leisurely stroll through the Quarter, past various portrait painters and fortune tellers, who could have never predicted my could fortune that was to follow. That evening, Kakki, Michael, and I were the first ones to arrive where Victor played so sweetly and madness was to unfold shortly. I don't recall who all came in which sequence, all I recall is feeling elated. finally putting e-mail addresses with faces! It was as if a curtain was drawn for the opening act. Jimmy and Ed ...Lori and Timo... Leslie and Steve... And when the mysterious Dutch man arrived, I could not help but be drawn to someone so familiar -- to step up without hesitation to give a somewhat puzzled and travelweiry looking John a very special welcoming hug. Now that he knows me a bit, I'm sure it doesn't seem that strange anymore. From there on things get almost hazy and dreamlike. The great food that followed, more of Victor accompanied by Steve --a tasty monster on the mandolin. The atmosphere of humid golf coast warmth mixed with the laughter and chatter piled into Jack's primo limo service as we drove through the night ... I know I could go on and on recalling all the details of the next four days, but since I know I can't do as good a job as Marcel did with his wonderfully detailed posts, I'll try to cut this down to some of my most treasured moments that will come to mind Singing with Leslie around the piano. The jazzy piano voicings that Lahm used and provided so tirelessly made me hear new harmonies to Leslie's melody which was really exciting to me, since I rarely get a chance to sing with other woman let alone Joni music. (Leslie, you have a tremendously rich voice and I really liked our blend. Hope we can do it again.) Lori, another wonderful singer and person also joined us at times and delivered some stellar performances herself and when all our voices harmonized, it was heavenly! Singing Sarah songs with Paz. ( Michael, we've got to do more of that!!!) Getting to know Jimmy and Ed . What a treat!! The two of you are right up there with John's Belgian chocolate.;-) just wish I could have danced on that House of Blues dance floor a little bit longer. I was just gettin'' in the groove recalling my teenage spirit. Dinner at Giovanni's. What a delectable feast and company. And , I have never had such wonderful wines chosen by the gentleman sitting next to me, Mr. John Wine Tiel ... Oh I could drink a case of ...anything you like! Of course being a little "mousy" at Paz's house during David Lahm's rehearsal. What a remarkable musician he is! And listening to the sax player was .... well when he was playing, I was barely breathing! The puppy at Paz's house. He tapped into all my motherly instincts! A Big Boo Hoo when I had to leave. I was a crate away from taking him home with me if I could have. Seeing Kakki again! What a jewel. I am so glad we got to meet again. Staying up all night talking with Jim, Man of God. I can¹t wait to see the pics. Wally's candlelight moment -- feeling the preciousness of love and time -- experiencing being there as a divine blessing. I have Wally's candle on top of my computer as a constant reminder! Two hours of quiet in a cool air-conditioned room. Vielen Dank SEVEN hours of fantastic performances! It put the TNT tribute to shame. Everybody gave their best! No matter what and when. I have never seen so much talent in one night ever! AWESOME The smell of magnolias at the Plantation and a ride that could have lasted much longer ( especially if it would have been up to Jack). Dinner at Irene's with Kakki, Jim, Jack, and John. Their company plus the food and wine- An exquisite combination. Once again Vielen Dank My least favorite moment but a treasure never-the-less...saying goodbye. I wish my fingers could move faster across my keyboard. There is so much more to share. This little bit has taken me all day ... Okay, I did spend 12 hours renovating our kitchen, grouting tile etc.. since I started this post this morning. Let me tell you, reality has hit me hard. My only reprieve --- checking out the many wonderful posts on the list. Missing you all ...Claud9 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #311 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?