From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 298 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: boom boom [Catherine McKay ] Re: No Subject [Catherine McKay ] Joni Fest Pix and Schtuff ["Bryan Thomas" ] RE: ["Peg Eves" ] RE: Oakdale ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC [Howard Motyl] Re: [BSN Tour programs for you] [Lori Reason ] Heijera and Joni sings Mitchell:) ["James O. Phillips" ] Chicago Sun Times Reviews Joni at Rosemont Theatre [mann@chicagonet.net] Great offers for European jmdlers [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni Fest Pix and Schtuff ["Kakki" ] Stereophile and BSN [Jerry Notaro ] Concert Reviews and Photos ["Kakki" ] kingpin [Bounced Message ] black crow &blue motel room [Bounced Message ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #221 [Bounced Message ] Re: Devil's interval in Joni's and Jimi's music [Bounced Message ] Re: kingpin [catman ] Re: E-Center ["Claudia SanSoucie" ] No Medleys! [Steve Dulson ] Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc ["joseph tischner" ] Re: No Medleys! [catman ] Joni photo from New York magazine [Deb Messling ] Re: Hejira Anonymous ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: E-Center [Deb Messling ] Re: Hejira Anonymous (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: No Medleys! [Steve Dulson ] RE: Hejira Anonymous ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Hejira Anonymous [Linda Worster ] Re: Hejira Anonymous [catman ] Couch potato(e)s out there? NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["P. Henry" ] dumb concert posts [Deb Messling ] To New Orleans and Chicago then back again [Phyliss Ward ] Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["P. Henry" ] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: boom boom - --- Yael Harlap wrote: > > I've been meaning to post this for a little while. > What the heck do other > people think a "boom boom pachyderm" is? A drum? The > lover's pet elephant? > his penis? (ha ha). > Oh noooooooo! Yael has unleashed the beast! Released the hounds! (You have no idea what you're setting in motion, so stand back, and enjoy the show!) ;) (My answer is, all of the above, and none of the above.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: No Subject - --- catman wrote: > Now the rest of you know for sure i wasn't fibbing! > Wot? You? Lie? To us? Shirley Yoo jest! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:14:35 -0400 From: "Bryan Thomas" Subject: Joni Fest Pix and Schtuff <> My digital pix from Saturday and Sunday didn't come out so well. But I was able to pull some stills off of the video I shot Sunday nite and put them up on the site for all the world to see. They're not great - small, and black and white - but it should be something to hold you over 'til the real stuff is online, huh? http://www.bryanthomas.com/shows/archive/000528-joni.html I shall write more later, but for now I must slip back into my post-Nawlins coma. Thanks thanks thanks to everyone. We had a blast. Peace y'all, Bryan (and Cindy and Matt and Taylor) - --- http://www.bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:03:40 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Bless your heart, man! You send me a program. They didn't have them at the Oakdale show. I was bummed. Also love the TNT promo. I love that kind of stuff. She blew my mind - again. Thanks, thanks, thanks! I love the tribute tape, big time. > -----Original Message----- > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:30 PM > To: peves@marlboro.edu > Subject: Re: > > > In a message dated 5/25/00 4:40:16 PM US Central Standard Time, > peves@marlboro.edu writes: > > << I'm trying to get the boot to ya. Busy. >> > > Whenever you can get to it, gal! > Your tape & CD are on the way... > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:06:55 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Oakdale SHOOT! I missed your email befor the show. I was wondering where you's were hangin out. Did she blow your mind or WHAT??!!! Peg/VT > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather [mailto:luvart@snet.net] > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:24 PM > To: peves@marlboro.edu > Subject: Re: > > > Peg! > > Please look for us. We are in row B - Lower Orchestra. Let's > try to hook > up during intermission or something, OK? there will be a bunch > of JMDLer's > there. > > Heather > > At 06:28 PM 5/25/00 -0400, you wrote: > >That was nice Bob. Thanks. > > > >Only one day to go > >and I'm there!! Oakdale Theatre. > > > >This is going to blow me away.. The last time I say her was 1979. Philly. > > > >I'm trying to get the boot to ya. Busy. > > > >Peg/VT > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:21 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC I am responding to this because I, is some way, feel responsible for this thread. It was I who first posted the "exclusivity" post from which the blue pill episode grew. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Colin, > > As I said earlier, I'm catching up with Digests. After posting my stupid > arse off, I finally came across the most important post of May 2000- at > least to me!! > > You said, > "I sent a post where my anger was obvious. the inner circle posts kept > coming so I used humour instead." > > This was soooo good to read! So the blue pill comment WAS humor! > > > Then the "Blue Pill" joke. I was really, really, very hurt by that "blue > pill" comment, Colin. I thought you were totally fed up and made a cruel, > nasty, vicious joke about all these cool people! I just needed to hear that > it was a joke. I'm really very relieved. I thought you were really into > hatred and that hurt big time. I thought maybe it was an anti-American > thing or something. Why? Are only Americans members of this so-called Inner Circle? > If you've read my posts from this morning, you already know that I called > you a "fascist" but I meant hate-monger. I hope that everyone on the List > can appreciate now that I was NOT trying to smear you (Colin) as a > Jew-hater!!!! As MG would say, "Holy smokes!" I was just totally inept > with the language! (Actually, I hope that you and everyone on the List read > my "Thesaurus Post" and can accept that the word "fascist" gets thrown > around pretty loosely over here!) I don't know what America you live in but "fascist" isn't thrown around in my neck of the woods. And it isn't used flippantly. It means something. I find this remark to be totally patronizing to the Europeans on the list, and insulting to the Americans on it. And I have to ask, if you really meant hate-monger, why didn't you use it? "Fascist" was out there a lot--including every subject line--and you never bothered to back pedal on that until now. And why now? Why the epiphany? > Okay, next I thought everyone who joined the thread was saying "it's okay to > wish the inner circle was dead." I was amazed. All of my wonderful, loving > friends suddenly became utterly foreign to me!! I awkwardly tried to > substitute another group for "inner circle" but everyone thought I made it > worse. You *did* make it worse. As for Inner Circle. I don't know who brought this phrase up. I don't remember writing it and I don't remember Colin saying it. I do remember writing about elitism and an "air of superiority"--with this latter description coming to me from another lister off-list. If there is an inner circle, we know who belongs to it because Pat Henry and you keep naming people who you think are in it. The original statements were meant to share a concern about an exclusivity issue (which we resolved.) Then, someone came up with inner circle and it took off. And you, Jim, wrote a post that snidely "tweaked" those of us who thought the exclusivity issue was a salient point to discuss. So, in a way, with your snide comment, you started the whole darkly humorous "inner circle" thread. (Did you ever think, Jim, that we who brought up the exclusivity issue as a serious expression of our feelings were really hurt by your repeated sarcastic postings about the so-called inner circle? Apparently, you thought that by bringing up the issue, we were open for ridicule. You knew who and what you were skewering from your first Inner Circle Meeting post.) > Colin, is this the BIGGEST, UGLIEST MISUNDERSTANDING EVER, > OR WHAT?? Colin didn't misunderstand anything. You did. And then you got ugly. * I find your defense of your words--cruel, mean words written with vitriol--to be facile, a bit self-congratulatory and amazingly disingenuous. At the time you originally wrote the posts, you were stalwart in your meaning of them and now, with too much sighing, feeble breast-beating and coy embarrassment, you come up with new meanings for "fascist" to explain yourself. If you do realize your mistakes, and now wish to correct them, show a little more humility. You were very mean to a fellow human being for no reason and you should be a lot more contrite. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 00 19:45:16 MET DST From: Lori Reason Subject: Re: [BSN Tour programs for you] I grabbed a few too and will send to the Euros/UKer's. Send yo addresses. Lori, still in New Orleans Brian Gross wrote: > Step right up! > Get your program here! > > I managed to grab over 100 programs last night at Madison Square Garden. > > If you're interested in getting one, here's how: > > Start with a 9x12 inch manila envelope > Fold it in half to make it 6x9 (with the sealing flap inside) > Address one of the outside panels to me: > Brian Gross > PO Box 5126 > Deptford NJ 08096-0126 > Put a 33¢ stamp on it. > Write "First Class Mail" on the other outside panel > > Unfold the envelope, and on the 6x9 surface opposite the one with the sealing > flap, address it to yourself and put another 33¢ stamp on it. > Put your own address as the return address. > > Refold the envelope so that *MY* address is exposed. > Do *NOT* seal the flap. > Put a strip of scotch tape on each of the 3 edges to hold it closed. > Drop it in the mail and I'll put a program in it and mail it back out to you. > > For those of you outside the USA, I'm not sure how we're going to do this. > I'm open to suggestions (ha - what an understatement that is!) > > I'll keep filling envelopes as they arrive until they're all gone. > > SIQUOMB, ISN'T SHE? > > Brian > > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed May 31 14:37:38 EDT 2000 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: Heijera and Joni sings Mitchell:) Hey, I listened to in the first time in ages Joni's wonderful 1976 album, Heijera. It was so refreshing to listen to that album because I haven't listened to it in a long time. To me, those songs tell a story. Obviously, it isn't the confessional style of the Blue era, but it is more of story telling style. I especially loved Jaco's (whatever his last name is) bass work. It complemented Joni's guitar style immensly, in my humble opinion. If you have not listened to this album in a while, you owe it to yourself to do so. Here are my choices for Joni singing Joni: The sire of sorrow I had a king Jericho The silky veils of ardor Magdalene Laundries I don't know where I stand All I want Ludwig's Tune For the Roses Heijera Be Cool James O. Phillips - ---------- Message To Spammers -- Game Over! Get spam-free email at http://www.MsgTo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:26:14 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Re: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC I just wanted to set the record straight that I did not at any time discuss the definition of the word fascism with Jim. I sent him two emails asking that he let this thread die a quiet death because I hate arguments on the list. Can we all just stop, please? Marian Vienna NP: Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Hejira Anonymous As James is listening to 'Hejira' for the first time in a while -- I have a confession to make: Hi, I'm Don ... and I'm a Hejiraholic. I started out listening to the album, you know, maybe once a day. But that wasn't enough. In a couple of months, I was up to listening twice a day -- then three, then four. I told myself it wasn't a big deal, I could handle it. I still had my Rolling Stones and Beatles albums out, and if they were gathering a little dust, I figured that was just summer in the Midwest. I guess it first occured to me that I might have a problem when I was shopping with my wife, and passed by some shoe shop in the mall and spontaneously blurted out at the top of my lungs "And the click of high-heeled shoes!". Then I broke into a cold sweat, ghosts of the darktown society came right out of the bricks at me, saying "What a strange, strange boy" ... I knew this was no false alarm. So I bolted for record store at the opposite end of the mall. I had to hear it ... had to hear it right then and there. I ran ragged through the racks, tossing aside other CDs like sheaves of whisper wheat, ripped off the shrinkwrap and demanded to hear it at the listening booth. Somehow the music soothed me that time, but it was not to last. I guess I saw the signs, but I ignored them. I bought blank tapes in 25-packs -- dozens of them -- recorded 'Hejira' on every one -- the idea of being anywhere, anytime without the sweet music filled me with apprehension, loathing and horror. Once a friend of mine at work (when I could work) went to lunch and he asked if I had a tape as we drove. Well sure I did -- plenty of them. "These are all the same Joni Mitchell album", he said. I shrugged it off, saying I was delivering them to my big band -- since we were learning an arrangement of the title cut -- I guess that seems pretty ironic now, doesn't it? Well anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:12:01 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Chicago Sun Times Reviews Joni at Rosemont Theatre http://www.suntimes.com/output/show/joni31.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:05:22 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Great offers for European jmdlers Thanks to Ashara I have in my possession 5 PAL copies of "A Day in the Garden". Just to copy Ashara's costs and mine in postage anyone wanting one will need to send me £8.50 and will receive this great video plus a concert program from the BSN tour. If you just want a program send me a SAE and one will be yours. E-mail me privately for details. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:14:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Fest Pix and Schtuff http://www.bryanthomas.com/shows/archive/000528-joni.html Bryan, you're the best. Thanks for coming out of the collective coma to put up this wonderful page of the Fest. The photos are beautiful and thanks for taking the extra care to add links to the Paz Foundation, the various performers and participants. I'm still amazed how Paz got practically the entire city of New Orleans to donate something to this event - time, facilities, food, publicity, professional audio and video recording services and more. Seeing Cindy and you again and partying with the very talented and sweet Matt and Taylor was so great. You guys were electrifying. Kakki, going through some big time missing of the gang today NP: Continental Drifters - Christopher Columbus Transcontinental Highway "It took two hours to drive out of post-quake L.A." (What a group - Susan Cowsill (ex Cowsills), Vickie Peterson (ex-Bangles), Peter Holsapple (ex REM) Mark Walton (ex-Dream Syndicate) Russ Broussard (ex-Bluesrunners) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:32:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Stereophile and BSN From the June 2000 Stereophile: The demos consisted of comparisons of the CD and SACD formats from the same hybrid disc - i.e., Mitsuko Uchida playing Schubert piano works, issued on Phillips Classics - and a number of 5.1 channel surround recordings directly from hard disk. The Uchida recording underlined SACD's sonic superiority over CD. The surround recordings were of two types: one striving for as natural an acoustic representation as possible, the other less subtle because of using spatial effects. A fine example of the former was Both Sides Now, a new Joni Mitchell recording (analog master mixed to 5.1, then converted to DSD), which has been released on SACD, CD, and LP (and which was Stereophile's Recording of the Month for April). When we listened to A Case of You, Mitchell's voice was projected rather forward, which caused me to leave my seat and stand behind the last row of chairs. From there, the result was quite impressive - goosebump stuff, to be honest. The sound stage was enormous, a somewhat cinema-like experience. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:24:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Concert Reviews and Photos I came home to 800 unread emails and still have 633 to go (arrr) but wanted to thank everyone again for the fantastic concert reviews and incredible Joni photos coming up almost every day. One of the astounding gifts given to all of us at Paz's were two large framed gorgeous photos of Joni taken in West Palm by David Mingus. Jimmy brought these for all of us and I am still shrieking over them ;-) Also wanted to welcome all the new listers who have emerged in the past month. I think we will be adding yet more from the Nawlins concert - we noticed many in the audience getting very excited about learning of the discussion list and wanting to join up! Kakki NP: Continental Drifters - Anything ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:50:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: kingpin Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Oh, the kingpin is definitely a pimp! He walks in with his diamond rings, plain-clothes cops greeting him ready to make a bust if they can. Edith is clearly his favorite girl, which makes the other prostitutes jealous (Edith in the ring, the passed-over girls conferring). So they tell her all the stories of what he's been doing behind her back (she says, his crime belongs). And of course, "Women he has taken grow old too soon. He tips their tired faces gently to the spoon." Those women have been ridden hard and put away wet... no wonder they've aged prematurely after a life of prostitution and hard drugs. My interpretation... Erin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:50:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: black crow &blue motel room Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Frederick, your description of Black Crow was great...couldn't have said it better myself. My three favorite musical phrases are the very ones you discussed: "Diving, diving, diving, diving" "I took a ferry to a highway, then I drove to a pontoon plane. I took a plane to a taxi, and a taxi to a train. I've been travelin so long, how'm I ever gonna know my home when I see it again?" I could listen to that song over and over. Oh, and I also have to say that I love "Blue Motel Room." I think it, along with "Edith in the Kingpin," really showcases Joni's ability to write songs that are pure jazz and blues. Blue Motel Room would certainly be at home in any jazz standards book from the 30s or 40s. And I love how she refers to Los Angeles as "LA Town," much like "Londontown" is used in standards. I think the lyrics in that song are great. I do have one question: What does it mean that she knows he has all those pretty girls hanging on his boom-boom pachyderm? Finally, I am just getting around to responding to the comment that "Conversation" from LOTC is "naive"! No way! I have felt that way so many times in my life--I think that song speaks volumes about what it's like to have a crush on someone who's "taken," someone whom you're just POSITIVE you could make happy! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:52:08 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #221 From: "vollmarr" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:59:13 -0400 Yeah, I too have had a root canal done, Only in my case, it is to be done in two parts. I'm waiting for the second part where the tooth gets put back in. It's right in the front where everyone sees the missing tooth. I had to make a public appearance minus the front tooth. (between visits of dentists in 2 different states) Definitely an ego adjustment. I think I'll have an 8x10 enlargement of my new smiling face! "Just for the Memories....." DEBI NP Peace and Love (Neil Young - Mirror Ball) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:52:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Devil's interval in Joni's and Jimi's music Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:05:31 +0100 From: souzoukakia mark wrote: >Hey everyone, I can't remember if anyone came to >the conclusion about what chord Joni was talking >about when she said the 'devil's chord,' but in >the report I did on Joni for my Music Apprecation >class, my teacher called it a diminished 5th. Someone already replied along these lines - but I think the concept of a "devil's interval" is more established than a "devil's chord". I'm pretty sure it's the diminished 5th (or flat 5th - i.e a gap of 6 semitones/halfsteps) that was named the "devil's interval". I think when Joni refers to it in her music, what happens is that the root of the chord drops by the "devil's interval" - it is this change that is unexpected, strange etc ... I don't think the chord that she plays contains the flat 5th, it's the drop in the chord that counts (if i remember right!), i.e you have something like Bm going to F - the F - B jump is the unexpected or even devilish interval. Pat wrote: > interestingly also associated with hendrix is >the primary chord (dis-chord?) from 'purple haze' >which I have heard some refer to as 'the devil's >chord' as well. > >and here's the text: > >There's a strange-sounding chord that many of us >associate with "Purple Haze." > > The chord itself is usually called a >"seven-sharp-nine." The intro to Purple Haze *does* contain the "devils' interval" - - the first few notes played by guitar and bass sound somewhat "out of tune" - this is the devil's interval at work! The 7#9 chord mentioned above is something different though. It's also used in purple haze (and many other Hendrix songs, hence the name "Hendrix chord") - but it's separate from the devil's interval. Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:46:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH and some carly ones too. so which ones do you all play to death? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:49:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: kingpin Erin-that is how I have always understood the song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:02:03 -0400 From: "Claudia SanSoucie" Subject: Re: E-Center Silly me, thought I could get away with not seeing JM on this tour. But now that I've had the most fabulous time of my life _ all inspired by the biggest musical influence in my life _ how could I live with myself, if I wouldn't still give it a shot. ANYBODY out there that has a ticket left unclaimed???? Please e-mail me so my heart doesn't stop beating Friday night! claud9 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:10:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: No Medleys! Catherine M. Sullivan, reviewing the Chicago show on jm.com, wrote: >Maybe in the encore Joni can add a medley of ....California, Big Yellow >Taxi, >Twisted, etc. and then the fans would all walk away happy! Aaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a terrible idea! I love Ray Davies and The Kinks almost as much as Siquomb, but I *hate* having to hear "Waterloo Sunset" reduced to a verse and a chorus, in the middle of a medley. What an awful fate for great songs. I don't think Joni would *ever* stoop to that...but I'm appalled that anyone would think she should. As Bill the cat used to say: Pbththththt! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:23:36 EDT From: "joseph tischner" Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc Hi guys, I don't know what it is, but I think that my whole being is so linked to Joni right now that I'm almost scared of the consequences. (Then again, it's could just be coincidence!!) Anyway, about that TNT shirt... After seeing the TNT tribute and not having yet heard BSN, I went into Tower Records in, of all places, Massapequa L.I., to FINALLY get the CD a few days later. I walked up to the counter with BSN and WTRF (my favorite!!!) in hand, and I see the t-shirt behind the counter on a torso mannequin. When I asked about it-and the fact that it was autographed, the counter person said someone in the store was just fooling around and signed Joni's name. "And the shirt's not for sale". I pressed on about the small stack behind the counter. (IN THIS WORLD, FOLKS, YA GOTTA HAVE BALLS! I'VE JUST COME TO THIS CONCLUSION, BECAUSE WITHOUT EM, YOU'RE DESTINED TO GO T-SHIRTLESS.) So, one guy asks another, and the second replies, "they get a free t-shirt if they buy the new cd." To which I screamed, "I'll take it!" What a stack of about 5 Joni Mitchell TNT tribute t-shirts were doing at the Massapequa Tower the day I went in to buy BSN, I don't know. But I think there's something about kindred spirits that I'm latching onto... So the shirt remained folded in my dresser for well over a month, until the day of the Wallingford show. On which I VERY proudly wore it for the first time-and maybe the last.......... So, that's my t-shirt story. Has anyone delved into the subject of "JONI SONGS YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH WITHOUT AT LEAST ONE BIG BOO HOO"? OK, I'll start: First, and foremost, The Circle Game. Anyone who's in middle age (or approaching) and has children who've grown so fast, like the turn of a page, has got to get misty eyed. Likewise, Chinese Cafe. Which takes me to college days in upstate NY, and the very strong friendships that were made, that are now all but gone. And the heavy drinking we did in those dark cafe days, hearing Joni on the bar radio on CHOM out of Montreal. (We, like most of you, even appreciated her as 18 year old punks.) And, Little Green. Especially because of Joni's loss. But also for all the loss that I and my family and friends have endured all these years. So, what about ya'll? (i have a little confession that i want to share...you know how i received my copy of HOSL? it was a goodbye present from dear bethy from the aforementioned college, upon my ass being booted out of it...) i'm not gonna tell ya why...................... >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: patrickl@bway.net, bozjojo@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:19:05 EDT > >In a message dated 5/29/00 10:10:53 AM US Central Standard Time, >patrickl@bway.net writes: > ><< joe, however was wearing a fantastic long-sleeved white t-shirt from the >tnt > tribute. i didn't know such a thing existed. the only negative emotion >i > experienced at that concert was green jealousy over joe's t-shirt! > >> > >Hi Patrick (who SHOULD HAVE BEEN in N.O.), > >That shirt was also worn by the gracious & debonair Paz, it was a giveaway >for those who attended the press party after the TNT Tribute show... > >Bob > >NP: Stevie, "Saturn" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:29:58 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Don, I am afraid of what may happen to me after reading your post. I am already up to two times a day with Hejira. "Help me, I think i'm falling, in love again...." (with this album). Any cures? What's the prognosis? Is it bad? Is there an antidote? Joe (in Rhode Island) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:38:29 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: No Medleys! She also writes: >She looked great and does justice to the Torch Songs of Etta James >real and the genre. However, she needs to incorporate more of the >Blue Album and Court & Spark into the act. After all, that's what >the fans are there to see and hear! What makes her think that? If she had any clue as to what Joni has been doing in the past few years she would have enjoyed the concert much more. I don't think anything from Blue or C&S could have worked in the set anyway. I wonder if these people were active listers here they wouldn't feel like they got ripped off. NP-Grateful Dead-8/27/72 Veneta, OR At 3:10 PM -0700 5/31/00, Steve Dulson wrote: >Catherine M. Sullivan, reviewing the Chicago show on jm.com, wrote: > >>Maybe in the encore Joni can add a medley of ....California, Big Yellow >>Taxi, >Twisted, etc. and then the fans would all walk away happy! > >Aaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a terrible idea! I love Ray Davies >and The Kinks almost as much as Siquomb, but I *hate* having >to hear "Waterloo Sunset" reduced to a verse and a chorus, in the >middle of a medley. What an awful fate for great songs. I don't >think Joni would *ever* stoop to that...but I'm appalled that >anyone would think she should. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:50:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: No Medleys! I don't think anything from Blue or C&S could have worked > in the set anyway. i thought she had included A Case Of You. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:56:59 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni photo from New York magazine Here's the beautiful picture of Joni in the May 29 issue of New York magazine: http://www.enter.net/~messling/newyorkmag.html Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:05:59 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous don, catman, et. al, i am currently in the middle of a DJRD obsession. my problems with hejira were so bad that i had to loan my cd to a friend (which i never do). he is safely "looking after it" for me. ;-) alison e. in slc. np: richard schindell, somewhere near patterson catman wrote: >Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. > >On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing >a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH >and some carly ones too. > >so which ones do you all play to death? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:01:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: E-Center The last I looked, there were tickets available through Ticketmaster, albeit crappy ones. But why don't you just show up? You may be able to scarf up a ticket from someone who belatedly discovered that Joni wasn't planning to sing "Circle Game," or from people who couldn't get their inflated prices on Ebay. >Silly me, thought I could get away with not seeing JM on this tour. But now >that I've had the most fabulous time of my life _ all inspired by the >biggest musical influence in my life _ how could I live with myself, if I >wouldn't still give it a shot. ANYBODY out there that has a ticket left >unclaimed???? Please e-mail me so my heart doesn't stop beating Friday >night! claud9 Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:11:29 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous (NJC) catman wrote: > On a different but related note, do we all go through phases of playing > a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH > and some carly ones too. > > so which ones do you all play to death? It isn't Joni (so sue me!), but Moby's Play album has hardly been off my CD-player this year. Don Henley's latest - Inside Job - looks like following suit. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:52:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: No Medleys! Mark wrote: >She also writes: > >>However, she needs to incorporate more of the >>Blue Album and Court & Spark into the act. After all, that's what >>the fans are there to see and hear! > >What makes her think that? If she had any clue as to what Joni has >been doing in the past few years she would have enjoyed the concert >much more. ... >I wonder if these people were active listers here they wouldn't feel >like they got ripped off. I guess she knows what the fans want. :) Maybe *we're* not fans. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:49:22 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Hejira Anonymous > Hi, I'm Don ... and I'm a Hejiraholic. Thank god - I'm not alone. I was beginning to despair. Getting slightly nearer the truth: I've lost my compilation CD of Hejira plus all the good stuff from DJRD. Just now, at this point in my life, this is bad. I need that music... it's like a security blanket when (relationship-style) things go pear-shaped. ("...just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes and the lips you can get, and still feel so alone...") Umm, I can't think how to end this posting, so I think I'll ju ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:57:46 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous At 10:46 PM 05/31/2000 +0100, catman wrote: >Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. > >so which ones do you all play to death? > > hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira...... well... you get the picture Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:10:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous > > well... you get the picture I am not certain i do understand you. i'm rather slow you know. Do you like Hejira then? > > Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:23:53 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Couch potato(e)s out there? NJC Any tapers in jmdl-land who love TV-land and may have taped the season's finale of "West Wing?" If so, could you, would you make a copy for me via the usual exchange? It's for my daughter, Signe, not me. Really. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:56:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? Howard wrote: >maybe she wasn't asked becuz Joni was singing, and reclaiming it as her own for once and for all, Both Sides Now herself--and that would have been the only obvious thing for Ms. Collins to sing.> an excellent point, howard. I like the part about reclaiming it... it brings to mind to wonder how many clueless are now, at this late date, going: "what? you mean to tell me Joni Mitchell wrote that?!?" LoL!!! cheers, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:09:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: dumb concert posts As long as we're talking about insipid concert reviews, did folks catch this comment on the Boston show? >Just returned from the show! Why is it... Joni is so cold to her real >fans! So sad!!!! I was there >only in hopes to see James!!! sing along with her... it's really no wonder >why he didn't show >up... she was so rude to her long time fans! I would never attend another >Joni Concert again in >my life! Sorry... she just doesn't care about folks! She better than >you... not better than me >though! The END! > >P.S. I sat 2nd row Center! Saw it all... Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd plunk down $75 in hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:09:52 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: To New Orleans and Chicago then back again I returned to California this afternoon and have been skimming through a weeks worth of email and snail mail and wondering how I will come down from this amazing trip. I'm so tired right now I may crash hard but I felt I had to post at least some of my thoughts. Midway through Sunday night's tribute I told Kakki that I wished I had a computer to go online. I would just post: " UN F--K--G BELIEVABLE!!!" and leave it at that. Although I DID go to college, I still don't know if I can say it any better than that. Paz - You are THE MAN! This was my first Joni-Fest and I can't imagine it ever being topped. From the Thursday night coffee shop hopping with Victor to Tuesday night dinner at KPaul's with Marcel, truly a trip to cherish. Oh, and Paz, the Birthday Dinnner Party you threw for me Friday night with 30 some odd of my newest friends was a gourmet feast and a pleasure. (Even the math was kinda fun ; - ) I've never had Happy Birthday sung to me 6 times in one day but when you start at a restaurant at midnight the night before and you end it at the elite House of Blues Foundation Room, hobnobbing with the rich and famous, and you are surrounded by such amazing musicians, amazing things happen. Victor - I really MUST have the lyrics to Happy F--k--g Birthday! Post soon please. To all my new up close and personal friends - It was such a pleasure to meet each caring, loving and intelligent one of you. But despite all the wonderful people and food, the tribute at the Howlin Wolf was truly a night I will never forget. I've never seen so many talented musicians at one time! They were all singing Joni songs. They were all unique and original in their interpretations, from Jazz to Celtic. And they all exuded love for Siquomb! I kept thinking the next act couldn't possibly be as good and they just kept blowing my mind! This concert began at 8 PM and didn't end till close to 3 AM and I was totally engaged the the whole time. What blows my mind is how talented so many of them were yet none of them were really famous, except maybe Jason Marsalis. I really left there wondering if seeing Joni in Chicago on my way home would be anticlimatic. No need to worry! From our 4th row center seats, Coyote and I were absolutely mesmerized. Joni was totally on. I thought she was so much better than in L. A. where she was wonderful. The audience was the best I have ever been a part of. They alternatenated between being totally quiet and respectful and applauding, hooping and hollering where appropriate. I began a conversation with the woman sitting by herself on my left. It turns out she was Peter Erskine's ex-grilfriend and had been able to see the rehearsal that afternoon. She seemed to be very versed in orchestral music and kept saying how strong and beautiful Joni's voice was and how sophisticated and complex Vince Mendoza's arrangements were. I asked her if she knew how Joni's health was holding out on the tour and she said she seemed to be doing very well and was eating Tibetan berries for therapeutic reasons. Hmmm, research may be in order here... Meeting the Chicago group was a pleasure too. Laura and Jody are just as sweet as they seem online and I won't try to name all the other folks I met as I am fading fast. A good night's sleep is in order. Early to bed and back to reality in the morning. Wow, Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:12:47 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: dumb concert posts There should be a disclaimer: "Joni will not be playing the dulcimer, guitar, piano, will not be seen with Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Johnny Cash, Pete Seeger, Tom Jones or Van Morrison and will not be singing anything remotely known to the general public, aging hippies or Presidents of the United States. Thank you." At 9:09 PM -0400 5/31/00, Deb Messling wrote: >Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd plunk down $75 in >hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:17:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc << So, that's my t-shirt story.>> And a damn fine one too, I'll add! Way to go for it, Joe! << So, what about ya'll? >> Circle Game gets me, too, for the same reasons you mention. Ethiopia alwats makes me cry - so sad. But the one that really makes me lose it is hearing Paz singing Hejira. Don't take my word for it, ask the listers that were stuck sitting next to me at the Howlin' Wolf! Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "The Great Pretender" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:32:23 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? Reuben asserted: >she (Judy) has always come across as very gracious and warm, and not even slightly catty. I know that people are people, but this one just doesn't ring true with me. I imagine that these comments were quoted out of context.> I would agree and, to be honest, I didn't take these comments as all that 'catty' anyway... I can understand why she was not included in a celebration where the main theme is that song but, from her perspective I can certainly see feeling a bit put off as it was she who made the song famous and she didn't, after all, steal the song, now, did she? it's clearly just a conflict of interest about which, as Joni might put it, 'nothing can be done'... *tongue planted firmly in cheek* >I think that a lot of us JMDLers would agree that the comments attributed to Judy sould a lot like something Joni would say herself if the situation were reversed. She's made a side- career of sour graping.> I don't necessarily agree here, reuben. yes Joni can be quite critical but I don't think I've ever heard her regret or grouse about Judy ot her recording of BSN. (pls correct me if I'm wrong... I don't know everything) I've seen a lot of listers wax kinda negative about Judy and I really can't see it... her recording of BSN is a classic and introduced MANY to Joni who wouldn't have otherwise heard of her until C$S... I would agree with many that Joni always sang it better but, being a friend of Joni's at the time it came out, having been friends since well before her first recording and, naturally, hoping the best for her career, it was really great that someone got a hit with her song and exposed so many to her music! I don't think of either of them as being 'indebted' to the other, nor do I think either has any call to be embittered. all that said, I would hasten to add that I have always felt that Joni could have made that hit record herself and, quite frankly, I wish she had. I can't really speak on tnt as I have no first hand knowledge, having not even heard one recording from it, but as for Ms. Collins' comments, without the coloring provided by the article's author, actually they seemed to me to be simply matter of fact and nothing more: >"No one called - not Joni, nor the producers," Collins told Friedman at Mitchell's Monday night Madison Square Garden concert.> oh! she said this *at the MSG concert*... well, that sure sounds like she was upset... NOT! >"And I made a bundle of money for her when I did 'Both Sides Now.'"> betcha dollars to donuts these two statements were not part of the same sentence as the author attempts to present them, but were, as you say, taken out of context. it's a simple statement of fact. she *did* make Joni a bundle! that dowsn't mean she has bad feelings about it! this is the kind of word twisting I hate! it's just dishonest! >Asked to appraise Mitchell's shaky performance of standards off her new album,> note how this is couched... it seems to say that JC said the performance was shaky but in fact is the opinion of the author. (who, btw, doesn't get it!) >Collins commented, "Don't ask me about that."> it's not surprising she said this as it is obvious Ms. Collins is not a fan of this type of music, hence, 'don't ask me, I couldn't venture an opinion... I don't even like this type of music'... again, no ill will. 'nuff said, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:38:39 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? I just wanted to point out that Judy Collins could have sung "Chelsea Morning," another of Joni's songs she recorded very early on (even before Joni did). As it was, it was sung at the tribute by Colvin and Carpenter, whom had another opportunity to shine - on "Amelia." Judy easily could have been featured on the tribute without needing to perform "Both Sides Now." Judy also recorded "Michael From Mountains" in the early years (late '60s), and could have performed that. She might even have chosen a song she'd always admired, but had never recorded. I, for one, would have been very happy to see her, and Tom Rush, on the tribute. It would have made more sense to include them (people who were instrumental in helping Joni begin to reach a wide audience) than some of the others, many with a tenuous-at-best connection to Joni. "Boston Jim" > > Howard wrote: > >maybe she wasn't asked becuz Joni was singing, > and reclaiming it as her own for once and for > all, Both Sides Now herself--and that would have > been the only obvious thing for Ms. Collins to > sing.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:47:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC New Orleans, Part One: The King of New Orleans Well, the mouth of the south is ready to roar with his recaps, comments, and misc. ramblings about the New Orleans Jonifest. First things first: Michael Paz!!!!! Oh my God - what a man among men! I will start with an image I will always remember. Sunday night at the concert, Michael was on stage with Brian Stoltz on guitar, Beth Patterson on Bouzouki, and some other incredible musicians. (More about this later). Anyway, They play Amelia, than there's this Bouzouki interpretation of Pat's Solo from Shadows & Light, then the segue into Hejira. The whole time, Michael looks like he's in heaven, like he can finally just cut loose & play, no one calling him up for favors, and no one's future to decide. And at the same time, he knew what lay in wait for us with his N.O. musicians. I'll always treasure the mental snapshot of Michael on stage at this moment. Michael coordinated the transportation, even making some of the airport runs himself. He arranged one of the finest meals I've EVER had at Giovanni's, with special menus printed out with "Joni Mitchell Tribute Weekend" or something like that on them. He opened his home to us ALL, and along with his equally gracious Freda, made sure we all had everything we needed. He arranged the music setup in his living room, he hosted the all day/all night party at his house Saturday night (one of, if not THE funnest party I've ever attended). And then there was Sunday...besides the concert (MUCH more about that coming up), he once again arranged a brunch at the Howlin' Wolf, with shrimp as big as a baby's foot, oysters, stuffed tomatoes, many other items, fresh pastries, all for a measly sum... I seriously don'y know how he pulled it off, except that he is the Paz. The man. A brother to me, to us all. Wow. Michael, I can NEVER pay you back for this experience, just know that you have given me a trip of a lifetime. Like Marcel said so correctly, this was the trip you HAD to make! End Part One ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #298 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?