From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #297 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 297 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jim's facist statement [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Joni Fest 2000 At New Orleans, Louisiana, USA ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Is there a lawyer in the house? (NJC) [Marian ] My Joni Moment. [Richard Rice ] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement, NJC, Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Nawlins Magic ["Kakki" ] Re: ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Judy/Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Colin's Murderous Wish, was Colin's Fascist Wish, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedi] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement, NJC, Long [catman ] Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu] JoniFest, N.O. --- One Request ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Question about AllStar Trib ["Peg Eves" ] My Joni Moment. ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #295 ["Mike Hicks" ] boom boom [Yael Harlap ] Re: NJC - A parody waiting to be written... [Don Rowe ] Chicago Review ["David Piekarczyk" ] Re: No Subject [catman ] Re: the next Joni record [Don Rowe ] Looking for AZEEM in London [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: NJC - A parody waiting to be written... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jim's facist statement [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Jim's facist statement Boston Jim wrote: <> For the observant listers who've been here awhile, these must be the most ironic statements EVER READ on the JMDL. Since so many are telling Jim they don't want to hear any history from his perspective, a reading of some of the posts from the digest archive may be in order. Les, are the posts in the archive as they originally appeared? Or have some been deleted / edited? Here's another thing to consider. Do any of us know what Jim was dealing with off-list? I'm in no way condoning his statement, but appearances can be very deceiving. I'll share a true example out of my personal JMDL experience. This past Christmas I was mentioned in a list post of lovely sentiment, but it was sandwiched between posts by the same person, the list didn't see. The post prior to the lovely list post bounced from list view, the ones after were private conversation trying to find common ground with this other lister. Well, what I was receiving were a barrage of antagonistic statements and insults including, but not limited to, likening me to the KKK for my Christian faith. If that weren't shitty enough, that lister also threatened to post select snips of private conversation if I challanged him on-list. Now, add to the mix that that manipulative lister also posts in nearly every thread on the JMDL. A good deal of self-control was required to NOT lash out. I'm not crying "poor me", but this is the reason I seldom share anything other than Joni information or articles on-list anymore. (What would have happened if I had lashed out without you guys seeing what was going on behind the scenes? I'd probably be painted the villian.) Not saying Jim experienced the same as I did, but we, the list proper, and especially the newbies, probably don't see the whole picture. And remember, even strong people, the ones that don't make a practice of crying "hurt and offense", either can be pushed to the edge or have weak moments. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:14:45 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Fest 2000 At New Orleans, Louisiana, USA I had the time of my life! It was too bad that ALL JMDLers couldn't be there because I thought about all of you- are you listening, simon, Colin, & JulZie? There were lots of photos shot during the weekend by lots of people. I shot 8 rolls of 24 exposures each. I'm in the middle of moving but I promised to get web-ready photos to Les as soon as possible. Believe me, I can not wait to get all of this stuff back so I can start editing, scanning, & resizing! If I promised photos to you, please send me a reminder as I was without a pen for part of the weekend but I promise to take care of each person. Crawfish and shrimp forever! John von Tiel can pick out wine for my table ANY time. Much thanks to Michael and Freda Paz for hosting! More soon, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:08:43 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Re:New Orleans JoniFest! >Michael's priority is to raise funds for the Ruth Paz Foundation's important >work- immediate burn relief for children before they can be transferred to >the Shriner's Burn Center. So we pay for the video or cassette... whatever is fair for costs plus a little extra for the Ruth Paz Foundation. This way we on the list can all enjoy a small taste of New Orleans and Paz can earn a few extra dollars for the Foundation... just one thing... everyone has to agree not to bootleg whatever might finally be released for sale to us... that way the Foundation isn't being cheated of their "donations." Just a thought Cassy N.P. My guilty conscience for being up at 3am. Couldn't sleep, too excited about seeing Joni tomorrow at Pine Knob and meeting some of the JMDLers for pre/post concert parties. I've been preparing food for snacks for the gathering and my mind is on overdrive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:28:28 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Re: Is there a lawyer in the house? (NJC) Slander is defined in Webster's New World Dictionary as "the utterance or spreading of a false statement or statements, harmful to another's character or reputation. Legally slander is spoken as distinguished from libel which is written." I asked an American lawyer friend of mine to verify this and she assured me that as long as whatever you write or say is truthful, then you cannot be charged with libel/slander. Of course, people always have the freedom to try to sue you anyway, so it is probably a good general policy not to be spreading any kind of bad news/rumors about other people. IMO, though, that "Important Legal Notice" is just a scare tactic. It would be costly for a UK-based group of people to sue someone in the USA, for one thing. If they are all really "just a team of fans who consider ourselves as doing a good job providing a service for fellow (fans)", I can't imagine that they could afford to be taking anyone to court. Marian Vienna NP: Stolen Land - Bruce Cockburn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:33:23 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: My Joni Moment. Hi to all. I haven't the courage at the moment to write a post regarding Joni's appearance tonight at the Rosemont Theatre here in Chicago. So much has been said so eloquently I would feel inadequate by comparison. Perhaps curage will come to me in a day or so. Or cheat sheets. Suffice it to say, she was as wonderful as described. There was an empty seat for a certain you know who you are. Sorry it didn't work out. I am now officially unburdened from hating Bob Muller for his awesome, awesome Joni pic. (Not that I ever did. --save for he and Joni being so damned attractive...) I had my very own Muller moment! After Joni finished 'A Case of You', the audience was a little slow in pulling itself into a standing ovation. I for one thought, "Screw that!" and I was on my feet and raving like a lunatic. She turned and looked me straight in the eyes, smiled, and mouthed "thank you." !!!!!!!!! That will always be one of the most treasured moments in my life: for all of 3 seconds, I was real to Joni Mitchell. I was real to Joni Mitchell!!! Pizza with the listers was a great deal of fun. Very nice to meet everyone. Let see, there was the Rev. Mr. Vince himself. Doug, Jodi, Coyote, Micheal, --why did I start this? I know I will forget to mention someone's name, even though you faces, kindness, and positive karma are all still with me. Now the gig is up and everyone knows that 'Rich' is the cute one with all the social graces... A note to Steve and Jon. Did either of you leave something behind at the after concert gathering? If so, email me privately and describe what you lost. (Security reasons.) I will be happy to mail it to you toute suite. Thanks to everyone involved in meeting before the show. I hope I still don't owe anyone for pizza! John Calimee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 04:23:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement, NJC, Long Hi Alison, It's real clear that I'm among a minority of folks who think a fantasy that someone is dead is not funny. I wasn't sure where to jump in but your post raises some interesting points that I'd like to discuss. After all, this list _IS_ for discussion, right? I apologize to those who are sick of my "groundless" accusations, and I can respect your opinions. If this thread is boring, please scroll and/ or delete. My ego, huge as it is, can take it. I do owe an apology to the NJC crowd as I forgot to examine my post for JC. Nobody caught it but it was lacking JC and should have been labeled as such. Sorry. With all due respect Alison, my opinion is that many people have been telling Colin that there is no evil "inner circle" but he seems to be the only one who feels that there really is an evil inner circle. The ironic part is that Colin is the most prolific person on the list anyway. If the most prolific person is not among the imaginary inner circle, who is??????? I keep insisting that there is no _exclusion_ going on in the List so I don't know what the hell he's objecting to. But he's been bitterly railing against the inner circle for a long time. He knows that I posted the "Inner Circle Meeting Time Change" as a smart-alec way of trying to tweak him. I can be cruel sometimes! Now to explain myself. Last week, I was organizing a tribute to Wally to be part of the JoniFest in New Orleans. I thought it would be cool to remember Wally with a candle light moment and Michael let me run with the idea. I was e-mailing Wally's friend Jim Johanson, who now runs Wally's http://www.jonimitchell.com Nobody told me to get JJ's input- I just figured that he was the best person to write a remembrance- so I went for it. JJ wrote a remembrance and sent it to me. Jim Johanson (JJ) gave me a photo pass to take pictures of her at the Detroit concert. Eventually I realized that Leslie Mixon would be at the JoniFest, so I asked her to read the remembrance. I had been corresponding with Les to provide tons of pictures of the JoniFest in New Orleans. I was having a great time working with all of these wonderful Joni fans and I was developing some friendships among the folks who have been with Wally's site before I discovered this wonderful group. If there is a finer group of people, I haven't met them. It is against this background, that > >Brian Gross wrote: > >> > >> NO NO > >> Not the *BLUE* pill !! > >> Don't you know what that will do?????? > > > >and in response, Colin wrote: > >yes-it will kill off the inner circle. When I read that, I was stunned. Why does he have a fantasy that these wonderful people are killed off by a blue pill? I couldn't fathom it. It was too close to home. I spent the better part of 3 days of my vacation working on JM Internet Community projects. I LOVE THESE PEOPLE!! Besides, if Colin had said that the blue pill will _kill off_ the Labour party in England, I think that would have been hateful too- no doubt. If Alan Lorimer in Tasmania had written that the blue pill would _kill off_ the Aborigines, I would have objected to that too- to me, all of these variations are the same thing- a fascist fantasy of genocide or murder. I think Alan would not have made the statement and would have backed off it if he had made a joke that was mis-understood. Go back and look at the Colin's post- there's no smiley face. I don't think I have EVER seen him use them. I have personally suggested to him that it would make his intent clearer. Go back and re-read the National Enquirer thread if you want proof. I submit that Colin's apparently not as interested in being understood, so much as he's interested in inflaming and inciting. He enjoys being controversial. I like impassioned discussions but part of being in an impassioned discussion is to be responsible for your own words. It seems like a reasonable person would say, "Hey, I'm not a fascist! If I appear that way to you, then you misunderstand me. I love this community and I was just making a gross joke. I'm sorry I offended you." Instead, he has _never_ renounced his words. I have seen many people ASSUMING that Colin is not fascist. Many people have rushed in to defend him but he himself has remained silent on the topic of fascism. Why the hell aren't you people urging him to renounce fascism? He hasn't yet. HE IS STICKING BY HIS WORDS. I want an apology to the JMDL community starting with JJ and Les! Is that too much to ask? Do you want JJ and Les dead, Colin? C'mon Colin- do the right thing! Renounce fascism! Lamadoo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Einerson" To: "Jim L'Hommedieu" ; Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement > sorry, jim. i vehemently disagree. i think this is just another example of > how difficult it is to gauge a person's humor/sarcasm/attitude through this > strange electronic forum. colin is quite the wit, and this comment was > simply emphasizing how ridiculous the idea of an "inner circle" on the jmdl > is in the first place (catman, correct me if i'm wrong). > >Brian Gross wrote: > >> > >> NO NO > >> Not the *BLUE* pill !! > >> Don't you know what that will do?????? > > > >and in response, Colin wrote: > >yes-it will kill off the inner circle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:47:15 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Both Sides Now and Jonifest I was watching a local news/info show last night, and they had a woman reviewing new CD's, and Joni's was one of them. She was fairly complimentary - except for pointing out the "damage" smoking has done to Joni's voice - but it appears that this is a "new" CD here! Only 4 months behind the US - pretty good! OK, enough sarcasm! But maybe that's why my friend got blank stares when he asked about it in the stores! And as for the Nawlins Jonifest, I've just looked at the JMDL website, and there's nothing there yet! What's the story? You've all had at LEAST a day to get home, write down the entire calendar of events in great detail, and get all the photos developed, scanned, etc. and sent to Les for inclusion in the site. Stop mucking around, and get on with it! I'm dying here! Seriously, I can't wait to see/hear about everyone's weekend - the few snippets we've had so far have just wet the appetite for more! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:39:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Nawlins Magic Like everyone who has posted so far, the words to describe it are almost impossible. Lordy me. The magic was unending for five straight days. Most of us got no more than 3 hours of sleep each night - we just never wanted a break in it all. We will all be pinching ourselves for a long time over this incredible experience. I don't know how the hell Paz pulled it all off. I can't even begin to list all he gave to us all over the course of the Fest. He truly is one of our Joni list angels. There are so many moments that were memorable. We had a pretty good-sized group starting Thursday and our wonderful driver Jack took us all around town to the coffeehouses where Victor was performing and then off to a big midnight dinner at which we started right in on making music round the table(although it was so late our audience was mostly the restaurant staff ;-) Singing Joni, CSN, James Taylor and even Creedence Clearwater, for heaven's sake, at the top of our lungs in 12 part harmony. Victor (another very magical human being in his own right) surprised us by pulling a small cello and flute out of his hat in addition to his guitar. Then the first of the five nights partying till dawn. Friday night most of the group had arrived and we had a private room for a dinner at one of the most exquisite restaurants in town. Afterward we received an invitation to bring the whole gang to the private Foundation Room club at the House of Blues. David Lahm took to the piano there with Victor on the small cello as we sipped our fancy drinks and smoked our gourmet cigars courtesy of Mr. Van Tiel (or our beloved Uncle John as we now call him ;-) I had the best wake-up call of my life Saturday morning around 9 a.m. suddenly hearing an awesome live jazz band playing in Paz's living room! It was Lahm and local musicians rehearsing for Sunday's show. After they finished Leslie Mixon and Lori stopped by and along with Claud and I, we sang several Joni songs accompanied by Lahm on the Grand piano for awhile. By afternoon all of the group had arrived at Chez Paz and we settled into martinis, European chocolates and other various libations and watched Phyliss's video of the L.A. show and listened to bits of the Concord and L.A. shows thanks to simon, Jim and Catherine. Then after a dinner that included what seemed like several thousand shrimps and crawfish, the live music began and did not end until 5 a.m. Mr. Lahm still going strong non-stop on the piano accompained by many beautiful voices, including Leslie, Catgirl, Lori and Claud. Simultaneously, outside on the patio, Marcel, Eric, and Steve were playing almost every song we've ever loved for hours accompanied by many other sweet voices. Oh and I must say Mr. Muller has a GREAT voice and knows every single word to every song ever written! Another benefit gained from being a "music slut" ;-) I went back and forth between the two "venues" trying to catch it all. Thanks especially to Lahm and Eric for being such champs and keeping the music going all night. It was wonderful to hear from Marian. We passed the phone around for awhile so she could hear snippets. A constant refrain all weekend was how much we missed her being there with us. Sunday started out with a catered brunch for us at the Howlin Wolf and rehearsal for the jimdles who would be performing later. Marcel is truly the incarnation of Stephen Stills. The actual concert started at 7 p.m. and went until past 3 a.m. I don't think any of us there will ever be able to adequately describe the music we experienced. I have never seen anything like it. Every single musician seemed to give the performance of their lives. Each one showed an overwhelming love and respect for Joni's music. I've never seen such performances come straight out of the heart and soul and bones. We all thought we were hallucinating the entire night all, it was so magical. Early on we started out with "wows", then went into gasps and "ohmygods" and finally succumbed to repeating over and over again "un-f***ingbelievable!!" It is absolutely no exaggeration to say this was 100 times better than any tribute to Joni Mitchell ever. The jimdles performing were just amazing - Victor, Claud, Marcel, Paz, Steve Polifka, Catgirl, Lahm, Bryan Thomas and band and they all showed incredible stage presence. I felt such pride in them. I noticed many in the audience was gasping at their performances The pro-musician line-up included many of the very top artists in Louisiana and the South. All playing incredibly real good for free. It was all astounding and we will never be able to relate it adequately with mere words. I just pray that there is a way to officially release the recording and video so everyone can see it for themselves. (If we do have any lawyers in the house here, it would be wonderful if they could volunteer a little pro bono work for a good cause). There is so much more to tell, but I would be here all night to tell it all. Thanks to all those who were there to share and make it such a wonderful weekend. I was so happy to finally meet Jimmy (a darling, sparkling soul), Steve Polifka (a huggy bear and stupendous performer), Jerry Notaro (a ton of fun and a hunk to boot ;-), Lori Reason (who has the rare ability to be both classy and rowdy fun at the same time and who should show off her beautiful voice more), Victor (sooo talented and kind), Lahm (an amazing person and artist who has enriched us all) and Marcel (who had me in stitches constantly). It was wonderful to see Bern, Bob, Catgirl, Eric, Les, Jim, Claud, Bryan Thomas (who has both a new look and new sound that had me way over the moon) Pearl and Uncle John again. And it was wonderful to finally have more of a California representation at a Fest with Leslie, Steve Mixon and Phyliss who brought so much to the party. And to repeat our collective cheer of the weekend one more time "PAZ, YOU ROCK!!!!!!" Kakki, resisting that inevitable turning into a pumpkin feeling ;-D NP: Continental Drifters - Who We Are, Where We Live ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:52:29 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: William wrote: >As a new member of the JMDL I have to say I am astounded at the depth >and devotion all you fellow friends of spirit commit to your >appreciation of Joni. I had no idea there were so many of us. Welcome to the list, William, I'm sure you'll enjoy it! Like you, I've never seen Joni in concert, but since I live in NZ, it's not too surprising, because to my knowledge she's only been here once, and at that stage (1982) I hadn't yet discovered her genius! Maybe one day she'll make it to our little corner of the world! I live in hope, anyway! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:58:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Judy/Joni Colin wrote (or rather, sent on): >Judy wrote to something else I am on. so I asked her outright about this >discussion on here. this was her response: > >Forever misquoted, and I guess it always will be so, and I love Joni >Mitchell >and am eternally grateful to her. love, Judy Collins OK, I take back my vitriolic knee-jerk reaction to the nasty reporter's story about Judy! Gosh, and it's so unusual for me to go off half-cocked like that! I should have known better though, having seen the photos of Joni and Judy on a website recently - they looked completely friendly with one another, and it wasn't a "posed" photograph - I've also just remembered, there's a photo of them in Stacey Luftig's book (p.205) from the Troubadors of Folk Festival in 1993, and they certainly don't look like enemies! Hell NT (now thinking): "Think before you post, think before you post, think before you post.... _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:25:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Colin's Murderous Wish, was Colin's Fascist Wish, NJC While I'm waiting for Colin to renounce his death wish for the inner circle, let me address the definition of fascism. Ken pointed me in the direction of differing definitions for this hot-point word. Fascism may mean Nazism over in Austria. If that's your definition Marian, it's not mine. If that's what you're thinking, I can understand how you're offended by my apparent inappropriate, and inflammatory use of the word. I apologize for implying by my word choice that he's anti-Semitic. Clearly, Colin doesn't want people of the Jewish faith dead. He very clearly stated that his opinion is that his imaginary blue pill "merely" causes death for the inner circle. Over here in America, the word fascist is sometimes used more generally. It is this general definition that I intended. Here's an American thesaurus entry: Severity: brute force (noun) brute force, naked force, show of force rule of might, big battalions, gunboat diplomacy, POWER coercion, bludgeoning, COMPULSION bloodiness, VIOLENCE subjugation, SUBJECTION arbitrary power, absolutism, autocracy, dictatorship, DESPOTISM tyranny, liberticide Fascism, Nazism, Hitlerism, Stalinism, totalitarianism Prussianism, militarism martial law, iron rule, iron hand, mailed fist, bludgeon Roget's Thesaurus of English words and phrases is licensed from Longman Group UK Limited. Copyright © 1962, 1982, 1987 by Longman Group UK Limited. All rights reserved. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:50:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement, NJC, Long , my opinion is that many people have been > telling Colin that there is no evil "inner circle" but he seems to be the > only one who feels that there really is an evil inner circle. wrong. I didn't bring this inner circle stuff up. You did. It was howard who made allusions to it, and not in the way you suggest. Youbare also putting words in people's mouths, even the wrong people! Howard didn't use the word evil. I find it very sad that in your desperation to pull me down and absolve yourself you resort to changing the facts to suit your aim. The ironic > part is that Colin is the most prolific person on the list anyway. If the > most prolific person is not among the imaginary inner circle, who is??????? > I keep insisting that there is no _exclusion_ going on in the List so I > don't know what the hell he's objecting to. But he's been bitterly railing > against the inner circle for a long time. What utter nonsense. you are the one who keeps going on about this. i didn't bring it up, didn't write it. He knows that I posted the "Inner > Circle Meeting Time Change" as a smart-alec way of trying to tweak him. I > can be cruel sometimes! I assumed you were having a go at Howard and it resulted in my only post that had an angry tone. The rest of your post is ridiculous. apologise? For what? for your vendetta? For that is what it is. It has no basis in fact. you attribute words to me I did not write, you attribute motives to me that are in your head not mine. When you first accused me making death threats I assumed it was you being funny. the subsequent posts proved beyond doubt I was wrong. I suggest you forget this now. It doesn't show you in a good light. It seems you have a deep dislike of me, which i can live with . However to spew this on the list is not good for the list. This isn't the Dis Colin List. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:01:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Nawlins Magic Your report just goes to show how music really can bring such joy and how it can pull down barriers and act as a healing force. Thos of you that were able to attend will never forget this i am sure. And thanks for sharing it with the rest of us. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:04:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC Colin, As I said earlier, I'm catching up with Digests. After posting my stupid arse off, I finally came across the most important post of May 2000- at least to me!! You said, "I sent a post where my anger was obvious. the inner circle posts kept coming so I used humour instead." This was soooo good to read! So the blue pill comment WAS humor! Then you said, "Jims buttons got pressed big time." Yeah! I didn't get around to explaining why until today. I have had the BEST experience with planning the Wally tribute, and offering JoniFest pictures to Les, the expectation of Paz'es incredible weekend of music, eagerly anticipating tonight's Joni concert in Detroit... For a couple of days, I did JM Internet Community stuff almost all day! All these good things. I was brimming with good feelings about our Internet community. Then the "Blue Pill" joke. I was really, really, very hurt by that "blue pill" comment, Colin. I thought you were totally fed up and made a cruel, nasty, vicious joke about all these cool people! I just needed to hear that it was a joke. I'm really very relieved. I thought you were really into hatred and that hurt big time. I thought maybe it was an anti-American thing or something. ::: If you've read my posts from this morning, you already know that I called you a "fascist" but I meant hate-monger. I hope that everyone on the List can appreciate now that I was NOT trying to smear you (Colin) as a Jew-hater!!!! As MG would say, "Holy smokes!" I was just totally inept with the language! (Actually, I hope that you and everyone on the List read my "Thesaurus Post" and can accept that the word "fascist" gets thrown around pretty loosely over here!) Okay, next I thought everyone who joined the thread was saying "it's okay to wish the inner circle was dead." I was amazed. All of my wonderful, loving friends suddenly became utterly foreign to me!! I awkwardly tried to substitute another group for "inner circle" but everyone thought I made it worse. It looked like I was calling you an anti-Semite AGAIN!! No wonder Marian called for me to shut my mouth! Now I understand Marian's point- by her definition of "fascist" I had leaned on the hugest hot button in the Western World!!! ::: Now, I am apologizing to you, Colin! And I'm apologizing to ALL of you who thought I was calling Colin a Jew-hater! You must have thought I was having a psychotic episode!! :) "Lamadoo has lost it!" :) It's no wonder everyone was calling for me to shut my stupid mouth! I hope it's clear by now that I thought all of the thread joiners were defending hatred on our little List! I was pacing and muttering "Heresy!" The world was inside out! Okay, it's getting hard to see now cause I'm tearing up. I'm gonna stop and proof read................ '''''''''''''''' Okay, I'm back. Colin, is this the BIGGEST, UGLIEST MISUNDERSTANDING EVER, OR WHAT?? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:31:36 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JoniFest, N.O. --- One Request Hey Paz, Please, please, please, ask Little Queenie not to bend over when she's wearing hot pants on stage. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:17:54 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: Question about AllStar Trib Hi People, How were the songs chosen for the tribute on TNT? Peg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:56:22 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: My Joni Moment. <> Wow, this was great to hear, John - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, being that it's already happened to me, that is! :~) Glad you enjoyed the show & the meet n' greet, and also nice to hear you don't hate me anymore! Besides, if you forward a photo to Steve, he can send a pic back to you of you with Joni...;-) Bob NP: Pearl Jam, "Around the Bend" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:04:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Open Letter To Colin From Jim --Good News-I'm Done, NJC > If you've read my posts from this morning, you already know that I called > you a "fascist" but I meant hate-monger. I fail to see the difference. as I have pointed out, i made no refernece to the inner circle. how could I possible be spewing hatred at a group i don't even know or accept exists? Never mind that i don't hold hatred in my heart for anyone. It is you who brought it up. you obviuosly think there is an inner circle and you even have the membership list! you have made all sorts of wild and inaccurate statements and to say you didn't mean I was a fascist but that i was a hate monger is beyond me. misunderstanding or not your writing about me has been extreme and cruel. fortunately, i took none of it to heart. i know myself. However, I am happy to put this to rest and sincerely hope this is the very last of this nonsense. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:11:19 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Nawlins Magic Colin responds to Kakki's Jonifest report: << Your report just goes to show how music really can bring such joy and how it can pull down barriers and act as a healing force. Thos of you that were able to attend will never forget this i am sure. And thanks for sharing it with the rest of us. >> How *very* right you are Colin!!! I haven't had time to post, yet try and gather my thoughts about New Orleans (hopefully tonight). As a non-musician, I can say that there was so much joy this group brought to me. I'm still on a cloud. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:41:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nawlins Magic My head is finally clearing now I've had more than 3 hours of sleep. The big phrase of the weekend, when anyone moaned about being tired, was "You can sleep when you're dead." I won't name names because I'm sure to leave someone out. You all know who you are: loving, talented, caring, bright, witty Joni lovers. The only name on everyone's list is Michael Paz. I don't know how he did it, and he swears he'll never do it again. He was a most gracious host. Never lost his cool. Always "paz" - itive. The music all weekend was just great and finally answers the question, "Can there ever be too much Joni?" The answer is no. This is the only trip that can make my upcoming week in NYC seem tame. If there are any lurkers out there who shy away from any such JMDL events, please do yourself a favor and join us. You'll be made to feel like a family member right away. Paz Rocks. Jerry p.s. Being called a hunk by Kakki weeks away from my 50th is about the nicest thing in the world. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:30:51 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #295 > Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:38:05 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #295 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > I haven't seen this mentioned, but I was wondering if anyone knows if Joni > had done any autographs either before or after the show? I've recently As far as I know she is not. I went down to the floor of the concert in Atlanta and asked the sound men if they would take a CD cover back stage and have it signed. I did this twice to different guys. They both said that she is a very private person and would not do that, however; if I met her in person she would gladly do that and would probably be very cordial and carry on a conversation even. I tried to go behind the stage where her limo was parked but she had bolted. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:14:56 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: boom boom >Submit your list >of the twelve songs you think Joni will do next, and win . . . stolen >clothes! hair in your bathtub drain! a boom-boom pachyderm! I've been meaning to post this for a little while. What the heck do other people think a "boom boom pachyderm" is? A drum? The lover's pet elephant? his penis? (ha ha). - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC - A parody waiting to be written... Sting's a pretty sharp guy and all, but I still say Kasparov in 5 ... not 5 minutes ... 5 moves. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:37:26 EDT From: RMPMaybury@aol.com Subject: No Subject Forever misquoted! It's important for me to say I'm a wild Joni Mitchell fan and am eternally grateful to her! Much love, Judy Collins (RMProd@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:39:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: boom boom here it comes. The penis thread again! Thanks Yael-this will be fun. Yael Harlap wrote: > > >Submit your list > >of the twelve songs you think Joni will do next, and win . . . stolen > >clothes! hair in your bathtub drain! a boom-boom pachyderm! > > I've been meaning to post this for a little while. What the heck do other > people think a "boom boom pachyderm" is? A drum? The lover's pet elephant? > his penis? (ha ha). > > -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:43:47 CDT From: "David Piekarczyk" Subject: Chicago Review Special to the Chicago Tribune by Michael Parrish. In her recent area concert appearances, Joni Mitchell has nimbly, and dramatically, resisted typecasting. At a Benefit appearance at the opening of the Old Town Scool's new digs, she performed a brief, cathartic, solo set that focused on material from her last studio effort, the angry "Taming the Tiger," and demonstrated her considerable skills as a guitarist. A few months later, at a stadium date with Bob Dylan, she reverted to the jazz-rock trappings of her late '70's work and performed a generous, hit-heavy show. At her Tuesday show at the Rosemont Theater, Mitchell played the diva role to the hilt, wearing designer gowns, fronting a full orchestra, and mostly concentrating on the jazz standards she covered on her newest release, "Both Sides Now." Mitchell, sans her trademark open=tuned guitar, seemed at ease, and even playful, serving as vocalist in front of the orchestra, which was augmented by a small group of musicians touring with the singer, including consumate jazz drummer Peter Erskine and the blue tones of trumpeter Wallace Roney. The concert opened with a swirling instrumental rendition of Debussy's "Nuages" ("Clouds"). The bulk of the show that followed consisted of songs from the new disc. Years of smoking have deepened and flavored Mitchell's once-lilting voice, and she has used her study of the standards to reinvent her phrasing as well as her register. Where the Mitchell of youre would race through her lyrics, she now lingers over a tune like "You're My Thrill," savoring its verbal and melodic nuances like fine wine. Also, whereas Mitchell was previously rendered relatively immobile by her instrument, she has taken to her role as a front person readily, developing an almost cinematic flair for the dramatic. Mitchell capped off the standards set with her own signature piece, "Both Sides Now," the once-wistful song now imbued with overtones of regret and the world-weariness that suit its newly slowed tempo. DTShe remainder of the show was given over to orchestral arangements of Mitchell's own songs. Rather than choosing her most familiar material, mitchell focused on some of her most obscure, notably a stunning version of "The Judgement of the Moon and Stars" and a playful, winging romp through "Be Cool." Midway through the second set, Larry Klein, Mitchell's ex-husband, producer, and musical director for the new disc and tour, strapped on his electric bass and joined in on a dense, choppy rendition of "Hejira." All in all, Mitchell seems to be revelling in her role as chanteuse. At Tuesday's show, she displayed an ease and enthusiam that have not been common in her recent appearances. Joni Mitchell has reinvented herself one more time, embracing her maturity. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:09:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: No Subject Now the rest of you know for sure i wasn't fibbing! RMPMaybury@aol.com wrote: > > Forever misquoted! It's important for me to say I'm a wild Joni Mitchell fan > and am eternally grateful to her! > > Much love, > Judy Collins > (RMProd@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: the next Joni record > Anyway, a proposed twelve-song album would have to > include: > > 1. Judgement of the Moon and Stars > 2. Be Cool > 3. Hejira > 4. For the Roses > If I were to make an educated guess, based on songs she played on the TTT Tour with Bob Dylan -- the only and best indication of which of her old songs she still connects to, I'd say: 5. Moon At The Window 6. Harry's House (Centerpiece? not so sure) 7. Free Man In Paris 8. Just Like This Train That leaves me 4 for my wish list: 9. Furry Sings The Blues 10. Shades of Scarlet Conquering 11. The Silky Veils of Ardor 12. You Dream Flat Tires Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:39:15 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Looking for AZEEM in London Hello AZEEM!!! Please e-mail me so I can send you all sorts of Joni things...I owe you big time! Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - A parody waiting to be written... - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Sting Takes on Chess Champion- > > Why is a man who's claimed he can have Tantric sex > for upwards of five > hours only setting aside 60 minutes for a chess > match? Perhaps because his > opponent, Kasparov, who is the author of four books > and a vocal spokesman > for Eastern European political and social concerns, > is widely believed to > be the strongest player in the history of the game. > That's right! Kasparov is gonna whup his ass and the game'll be over before it even starts. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:03:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Shirley Yoo - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Do any of you JMDL people know Shirley Yoo? I think > she may have touched your > lives because Shirley Yoo touched mine... :) > > -- Bob Grrrrrroooooaannnnnn! That was bad! That was so bad! You deserve 20 lashes with a tequila anaconda! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:09:23 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: Is there a lawyer in the house? (NJC) Thank you, Marian, I got a similar reply from a lawyer I asked earlier in the day, as well, yesterday. Like me these people do a mailing list/website for the same group. Thanks for replying. Carol ps-i'd never say anything bad about anyone personally on my website. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: boom boom Hello Yael -- Boy, you've landed on one of the great enigmas that plagues the jmdl from time to time. Joni has innocently claimed that the "boom boom pachyderm" is a rhythmic drum figure used in blues -- like a paradiddle or ratamaque. But there remain a great many skeptics here on the list who just ain't buyin' it ... or certainly doubting that Joni was well-aware of the phallic connotations of the line. I mean, look at that bracelet on her wrist on the cover of "Hejira" -- and tell me what you think you see! Oh lord god! Not another "Hejira's Penis" thread! Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jim's facist statement Boston Jim wrote: > < of a what was, unmistakably, a > harmless (and witty) joke, > with no "fascist" intent (I'm sure), has been > allowed to become bona > fide "thread" on the list? - --- Penny responded: > For the observant listers who've been here awhile, > these must be the > most ironic statements EVER READ on the JMDL. Since > so many are telling > Jim they don't want to hear any history from his > perspective, a reading > of some of the posts from the digest archive may be > in order. > [...] > Here's another thing to consider. Do any of us know > what Jim was > dealing with off-list? I'm in no way condoning his > statement, but > appearances can be very deceiving. Excellent point. I've been on this list for maybe a year now, and noticed that a lot of Jim's recent posts (on this subject) don't sound like the "regular" Jim at all, suggesting he may be going through a rough patch and while, like Penny, I don't necessarily condone some of his reactions, I can certainly understand them, and I think it should be viewed in the larger context of his other "regular-Jim" posts. I went back and re-read the one that (I think? at this point I'm not sure!) started this and even after re-reading it, couldn't find anything offensive in it, but maybe i'm too thick-skinned or thick-headed to pick up on it ;) In fact, I was touched and impressed by some of Jim's comments on Joni's music and how it affected him, but never got around to responding to him with this because I was too far behind on my e-mails at that time and by the time I had slogged though the quagmire, WWIII had apparently happened. I feel like an unwilling participant in a battle at the inlaws' house where you're supposed to pick a side and I'm not going to play that game! (Nyah-nyah!) You all seem to be nice people here and everyone has something to contribute. People who have been here a while and have seen the same threads recurring need to recognize that there are a lot of newbies who may not have been around the first time it was discussed and that, even if the issue does come up again ... so what? A new person - whether they're old Joni-fans but new to the list, or brand-new Joni-fans - can bring fresh perspective. OK, I've been a Joni-fan for over 30 years but I didn't diligently study her life and her every move; I don't necessarily know all the words to all her songs, nor the names and stories of her lovers over the years; I've seen her in concert only twice and the last time was probably about 15 years ago; I don't collect autographs or other memorabilia (just music!) We're all different as witness the least-favourite Joni-songs contributions - what one absolutely hates, another may really love and vice versa. We are united in our love of this woman's music and (God, I'm gonna sound like one of those aging hippies! Moi?) oh dammit, we're all nice people. Peace, love and all that stuff. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #297 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?