From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 286 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #284 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] New Orleans [catman ] UK Fest [catman ] Re: Talking to Pat Metheny about Joni ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: The devil's chord (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Joni's worst songs. ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 [catman ] Re: First Joni Concert ["Susan" ] siresorrow [Kate ] putting away childish things [Howard Motyl ] Re: Lead Balloon ["Alison Einerson" ] Colin's Fascist Statement ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] the "mystery" of Hissing [B Merrill ] Re: siresorrow [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Jonifest (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 [Don Rowe ] more on Metheny and Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] CHICAGO non-concert get-together? (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] more on Metheny and Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: today's numbers! (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement ["Alison Einerson" ] re: celebrating difference NJC [pat holden ] Re: Barangrill Question NJC [Catherine McKay ] Least favourite Joni tunes [Catherine McKay ] Re: Guitarists -- need your advice! (SJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: putting away childish things [catman ] Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Chicago concert ["kerry" ] Least Favorite Songs ["kerry" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: the "mystery" of Hissing ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: NJC Matrimony ["Mark or Travis" ] Atlanta mystery man [alice@mindspring.com (Alice Sebrell)] The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Holiday Songs [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Pigeon-holing Joni ["Patricia O'Connor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:45:57 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #284 <<<< And how about Chinese Cafe--brilliant, wonderful storytelling. >>>> Have to agree with you on that one...that piece, with "Unchained Melody" on the tail end, just floors me. Thank you for your kind welcomes that took place through private emails. I received a few, "'The Jungle Line' used to annoy me BUT..." and I have to say openly in response that, even though I tend to skip the song, it probably attests the most to Joni's brilliance. The attention she pays to the entire atmosphere of an album, and the development of the theme a la HOSL...well, also floors me. (How many different phrases can I use to say "Wow, it's awesome" ???) I appreciate it more now that I've internalized the album in its entirety and gleaned more of the point Joni was trying to make. Love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:06:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 and someone may > absolutely love this one. (who would that be)? > Mike > > me. i like it's energy, her voice and it's petulance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:07:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Steve Dulson wrote: > > Colin wrote: > > >Just goes to show how different we all are. Jungle Line, Lead and Talk > >To me are among my fave Joni tracks. > > God, I *hate* it when that happens! I actually agree with something > that Colin wrote! :) Don't worry-I am sure it won't happen too often. > > ######################################################### > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com > "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:14:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: New Orleans Everyone have a great time and be sure to fill us in on all the fun and the gossip. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:13:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: UK Fest Chirs has just left after being here for a few hours. Talked boaut the Troubador cd, i am sure you will all like it. He is says he is planning another UKJoni fest this june/july. Should be good. Like me, Chris keeps all of the jmdl mail on file-i save all mine to cd for the last 3 years. we talked about Joni and hejira ,djrd, the list, the USA Canada(we both agreed we felt in Canada), humour and one or two other things. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:21:55 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Talking to Pat Metheny about Joni Hey, Harper Lou. You misunderstood...I was not offended in the least by your post. I had some contrary personal observations to share (I am *far* from "famous," however...what a joke!) so I shared them, that's all. At the time I was backstage alot with the Pat Metheny Group I was working for a concert promotion company in Boston, and, in the years I worked for them, we handled all of the PMG's tour dates in the New England states (heaven, for me, as I was already a *big* Metheny fan). I was needed at the halls on the day of the shows early in the morning, before the trucks unloaded, and I left very late at night, after the band and the roadies had gone. Metheny, and all the members of his band, were always a delight to work with, from soundcheck on, and all his band members were always happy campers and spoke highly of "being on the gig," as they put it when referring to doing the album and tour. I didn't mean to come off as "sensitive" or "snobbish" or anything. I like to think I'm a nice guy. You made a public statement about the personality and the career work of Pat Metheny which I didn't agree with, historically-speaking, from first-hand observation. That's all. Please don't think I was in the least offended by your comments...to the contrary. That's why I asked what project your brother had been a part of. I wanted to try to place it in context, for myself, with what I know of Metheny's background at that time. I would have liked to have known on which project he was the "tortured artist," and listened to it again with that in mind. :-) Best, Jim > Didn't mean to offend you or anything. But, every post I've ever sent seems > to offend people. It's a gift! > > Consistent regards, > > Harper Lou > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:32:33 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: WTRF Howard Motyl wrote: > And Solid Love? Well, no > one's perfect. This song is perfection itself to me! (ok, so I'm exaggerating here, but it IS one of my favorites). I love the swingy feel to it, the celebration, the ah-ha look at what we've found feeling, what a surprise, and the wordy fit-it-all-in lyrics. It makes me happy and hopeful every time I hear it. And Joni in such a love-is-fun mood helps balance all the distress she usually sings about. It makes the picture fuller, and I like that, a lot. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:31:50 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The devil's chord (NJC) I once heard that Swing players that were leery of Bebop would say, 'We don't flat our fifths- we drink 'em!" - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:36:55 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 Hey, Don. Is there really some money in this? :-) Can you also enter the "inner circle" if you answer all the (very funny) questions correctly? Jim > Good morning, and welcome to our first edition of > "Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:41:47 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's worst songs. Joni's worst songs? Break out the microscopes. You guys have your work cut out for you. If you want dogs, don't look to her released material. The dogs pile lays in her early unrecorded material. Woo. Certainly some barkers there. She most certainly has changed! I marvel at her growth as a songwriter. From humble beginnings, "Empty, Try Another" is born. Bob, I am surprised you dislike Tiger Bones, or that anyone could. The track is purely meant as an instrumental. It is a haunting, ravashing piece of music. I assume she 'layed' it down and then sang the lyrics over it, or a similar take. Then looking back decided it was simply too beautiful to leave off the disk as it was. Thank god. I will love to own instrumental tracks of all of Joni's releases. The way Refuge of the Road drives to its radiant climax. Or to hear Hejira as an istrumental, wow... That would be sooooo cool. Is there a way to drop the vocals from a cd? Enough trashing "Talk to Me." I love the wit behind that one. It's Joni poking fun at her gift of gab. I recall in college, one roommate of mine hated that song. One afternoon he played THE perfect rejoiner to "Talk to Me." It was a blues piece entitled, "Your mind is on Vacation, and Your Mouth is working Overtime." I don't recall the artist, but played back to back, both songs instantly brought howls of laughter, no matter what the mood. Anyone heard of this ditty? John, not in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:02:38 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Joni's worst songs. Hey, John. The song is by Mose Allison, one of the wittiest, tongue-in-cheek songwriters ever (and a great pianist)! :-) It was also recorded more recently by Van Morrison on a tribute CD to Mose called Tell Me Something: The Songs Of Mose Allison. If you liked "Your Mind Is On Vacation," you may want to get a 2-CD Mose retrospective called Allison Wonderland. You'll be on the floor laughing much of the time, I bet. Jim > One afternoon > he played THE perfect rejoiner to "Talk to Me." It was a blues piece > entitled, "Your mind is on Vacation, > and Your Mouth is working Overtime." I don't recall the artist, but > played back to back, both songs instantly brought howls of laughter, no > matter what the mood. > > Anyone heard of this ditty? > > John, not in Seattle. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:29:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 "James L. Leonard" wrote: > > Hey, Don. > > Is there really some money in this? :-) Can you also enter the "inner > circle" if you answer all the (very funny) questions correctly? it depends what your answer to these are: a: how low is your IQ? b: do you have a sense of humour? you won't win any money but you will get a gold star. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:41:02 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: thanks catgirl and kayak bob NJC At 03:07 AM 5/26/00 EDT, Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >so now, at what, 03:00, i have to go out and change the frigging tire. Two questions: 1. Did you get ANY sleep last night? 2. If so, did you dream flat tires? Scott :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:49:37 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: First Joni Concert >Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my first Joni concert in January 1972. The show I attended was at the Arie Crown in Chicago. Being blind as a bat, I broke my glasses the day before the show! Luckily, someone else who was going with us to the concert was almost as blind as I and had a spare pair. Plus we were in the 8th row. Joni wore a double-breasted purple crushed velvet blazer and some flowy multi colored pants! This I remember just please don't ask about my short term memory. You are are right about the time line; after Blue and just before FTR was released. Very Cool! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:45:08 -0600 From: Kate Subject: siresorrow pat: "and bob you have luther college, so you will understand that tim renyolds does these funny sounding things with his guitar." What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there are some fellow high school alumni here ... Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:36 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: putting away childish things Beautifully put, Colin. I hear echoes of Corinthians 11 in your post. Thanks. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:11:03 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Lead Balloon Me too!!! when I first got TTT, i thought man from mars was going to be my favorite, but then you get slapped in the face with "lead". I love it!! it's the most "rockin-ass" (to quote don/larry/chris) thing she's done in a great while, and it's refreshing and fun to listen to. as catman said, it's energy is wonderful. alison e. in slc. - ---------- >From: catman >To: Mike Hicks >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 >Date: Fri, May 26, 2000, 10:06 AM > > > and someone may >> absolutely love this one. (who would that be)? >> Mike >> > >me. i like it's energy, her voice and it's petulance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:23:49 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Colin's Fascist Statement Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and Brian Gross wrote: > > NO NO > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > Don't you know what that will do?????? and in response, Colin wrote: yes-it will kill off the inner circle. This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's exchange becomes: Brian Gross wrote: > > NO NO > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > Don't you know what that will do?????? yes-it will kill off the Jews. Now Jim again. I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. Other opinions? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:28:50 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: the "mystery" of Hissing Hello, This is my first message to Joni-L. (And I've just subscribed, so I have no idea of what this list is up to, currently or in the past.) I'm a big fan of "Hissing." In the liner notes for Hissing, Joni writes: "This is a total work, conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally-- a whole.... The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone..." (Though she does provide some clues.) So, I've come onto Joni-L wondering: Has the "mystery" that Joni points to been "unravelled" by anyone? Is there now a consensus as to what the mystery is? Has the extent to which Hissing is a "total work...., conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally" been laid out, somewhere? (Definitively, or conjecturally.) I haven't ploughed through the various Joni web sites, not any of the myriad writing about Joni in search of this topic. As with this list, I am... "how-you-say?... a virgin...?" thanks in advance, Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:43:08 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: siresorrow In a message dated 5/26/00 2:01:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katej@connect.ab.ca writes: << What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there are some fellow high school alumni here ... Kate of the North >> sorry kate of the north. it is the dave matthews and tim renyolds cd called Live at Luther College. now that may very well be in regina. ( imagine mixing up virginia and regina ) regina is in sascatchewan i believe. there is a steel mill there i am familiar with. and i know its the kind of place where you have to plug in your car battery over night to keep it warm. but i can't speak for the college. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:08:44 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 > Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Pelham 125 or something. Tube's post and others in that Pelham 123. mh > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:45:42 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Jonifest (NJC) Steve wrote: > Now that Bob, Kakki et al are at Jonifest - let's talk about them > behind their backs! :) Now, that Bob! How he ever sells any kayaks with all the coverin' copyin' and a'postin' he does, I'll never know! I still can't quite get over him sending me a treasure like 'The Hissing Demos' without blinking an eyelid when I first joined the jmdl. One in a Million! And Kakki, well, as even the Queen of England would say, "How can one discuss an enigma?" You've at least met her, Steve. Any distasteful habits we should know about (apart from the Martini drip!). PaulC NP. 'Woodstock' by Eva Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 Okay we're back on "Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire". We lost a few contestants in that first round, but those who remain still have all their lifelines intact. So let's play ... DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-POOM! For $2000: One verse of Joni's classic "Big Yellow Taxi" was written by what other famous singer/songwriter: a. Ricky Martin b. Joe Walsh c. Bob Dylan d. Carlos Santana For $4000: Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell NEVER played on an album? a. Guitar b. Dulcimer c. Fairlight CMI d. Vibraphone For $6000: "Not To Blame" is a song reputably about which of the following men? a. OJ Simpson b. Jackson Browne c. Tommy Lee d. Tommy Lee Jones For $8000: Which legendary front man wanted to perform the song "Lakota" on a solo album? a. Frank Sinatra b. Sting c. Robert Plant d. George W. Bush For $16,000 What is the name of Joni's blackface character who appears on the album cover of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"? a. Colin Powell b. Rev. Al Sharpton c. Little Richard d. Art Nouveau And for $32,000 -- if you get this right, you're guaranteed to leave here with at least that much money: For $32,000: The song "The Windfall" was inspired by: a. A Waltzing Matilda b. A Whiling Dervish c. A Kicking Maid d. A Latin Lover Stay tuned, when we come back those who survive will be playing for $64,000! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:04:16 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Talking to Pat Metheny about Joni In a message dated 5/26/00 10:19:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << He went into that project full of young wonder and total awe at the honor of working with Metheny, and ended up feeling shattered by the experience for a while. >> harper lou, wherever you have been for the last few months, has been good for you. this is beautiful and well understood. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:38 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: siresorrow Luther College in Decorah, Iowa, which I think is somewhere in the western part of the state. Any guitarist should definitely check out Tim's stuff with Dave. NP-Grateful Dead, Melkweg 10/15/81 At 11:45 AM -0600 5/26/00, Kate wrote: >pat: > >"and bob you >have >luther college, so you will understand that tim renyolds does these >funny >sounding things with his guitar." > >What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the >high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there >are some fellow high school alumni here ... > >Kate of the North - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:22:48 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: more on Metheny and Joni Lou, thanks for sharing that account about Pat Metheny. It all reminds me of the story of the three blind men who grab different parts of an elephant and variously describe him as a snake, a rope and a wall. It's always seemed from various interviews that most everyone likes working with and socializing with Joni. Pat and Joni are both such geniuses and I wonder if he felt some resentment in having to subordinate his musicianship to her. Joni is a brilliant guitarist who has evolved a radical, highly individualistic style which has served her very well, but she has never had and will never have the amazing versatility of a guitarist like Pat Metheny. They are also very different in that Joni is a song writer/singer and Pat seldom ventures out of instrumentals. And on a similar note, I know that Joni worked with John McLaughlin (the other guitar genius in my pantheon of music deities) on MINGUS. Does anyone know what happened? Was anything ever recorded? And can you make me a copy of it? Please? - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:24:17 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: CHICAGO non-concert get-together? (NJC) Hey boyz and girlz-- The gods of finance have conspired to keep me from the concert, but I was wondering if any visitors were planning on being around dyas before or after the show? Perhaps we could organize a get-together in the city on Wed or even late on Memorial Day for those who could come. Thoughts? - --Michael NP: PJ Harvey, _Dry_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Intellects do not believe in God But they fear us just the same." - --Erykah Badu, "On and On" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:25:44 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement Can we not please put words into peoples mouths? Knowing a little about Colin after having met him, he is not likely to be a fascist. A quick wit, maybe and sometimes a little over the mark (sometimes) but a fascist? Please.... Jim, I seriously hope you weren't taking what Colin was saying seriously enough to really think this... I don't want to get into another flaming post situation, as I tend to avoid them like the plague but in Colin's defence, this is so unnecessary. The Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: _JMDL - June 98 Sent: 26 May 2000 19:23 Subject: Colin's Fascist Statement > Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > and in response, Colin wrote: > yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > > This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand > that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word > "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's > exchange becomes: > > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > yes-it will kill off the Jews. > > > Now Jim again. > I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > > I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful > statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. > Other opinions? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:25:35 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: more on Metheny and Joni Lou, thanks for sharing that account about Pat Metheny. It all reminds me of the story of the three blind men who grab different parts of an elephant and variously describe him as a snake, a rope and a wall. It's always seemed from various interviews that most everyone likes working with and socializing with Joni. Pat and Joni are both such geniuses and I wonder if he felt some resentment in having to subordinate his musicianship to her. Joni is a brilliant guitarist who has evolved a radical, highly individualistic style which has served her very well, but she has never had and will never have the amazing versatility of a guitarist like Pat Metheny. They are also very different in that Joni is a song writer/singer and Pat seldom ventures out of instrumentals. And on a similar note, I know that Joni worked with John McLaughlin (the other guitar genius in my pantheon of music deities) on MINGUS. Does anyone know what happened? Was anything ever recorded? And can you make me a copy of it? Please? - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: today's numbers! (njc) - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Hi everyone!!! > > Today's chemo was long, BUT I got my new numbers. > You keep up the good work, girl!!! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:54:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement sorry, jim. i vehemently disagree. i think this is just another example of how difficult it is to gauge a person's humor/sarcasm/attitude through this strange electronic forum. colin is quite the wit, and this comment was simply emphasizing how ridiculous the idea of an "inner circle" on the jmdl is in the first place (catman, correct me if i'm wrong). i am sorry if you took offense to it, but i truly believe that colin would never spew hateful or fascist (!) comments of any kind. alison e. in slc. (that's salt lake city, utah, btw.) >I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > >I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful >statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. >Other opinions? > >All the best, >Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati >Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and >Brian Gross wrote: >> >> NO NO >> Not the *BLUE* pill !! >> Don't you know what that will do?????? > >and in response, Colin wrote: >yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > >This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand >that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word >"Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's >exchange becomes: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:16 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: celebrating difference NJC colin wrote: we are all different and that difference is to be celebrated and not defiled. - ------------------------------ dear colin....i love this. gonna hang it on my wall above the puter ;) mags, who does hold colin high on a pedestal just the same. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Barangrill Question NJC - --- susan+rick wrote: > > > >> From: "Susan" > >> Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my > first > >> Joni concert in > >> January 1972. A young kid named Jackson Browne > opened > >> for Joni, that > >> night. I was very young ...14 (gulp). > > Then Catherine posted: > > Hey - I was at that concert too! Where did you > see > > it? I saw Joni at Massey Hall in Toronto. Jackson > > Browne opened for Joni and she sang songs from > Blue > > and FTR. (I was a > > bit older than you - I was 18!) > > Then I say: > Hey Catherine, I was at that Massey Hall concert > too! I sat tenth row just > to the right of centre. And I was even older - 23. > Then I sez: Hey Rick! I'm younger than you (not by much!) but I don't remember where exactly I sat but it was in a balcony to the right. There was a pillar to my front right that I kept having to duck around and to the left some hyper chick crying all through the concert. I refrained from belting her one and asking her to just shaddap so the rest of us could listen to Joni sing. The first time I saw Joni Was in Toronto in '72 And she sang some songs from FTR And she sang some songs from Blue And some weepy chick sitting near me in the balcony kept bawling, "Joni, I love this song" And I really wanted to smack her one But I knew that would be wrong So I kept my peace, and I gritted my teeth And ducked around pillars to get a glimpse of Joni's face And tried to listen to Joni's words Joni's words When you gonna realize they're only Joni's words Not your life story. Just Joni's words. And so on... whatever... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Least favourite Joni tunes Here's my list of least favourite Joni songs (having said that, even a least favourite Joni song is better than most non-joni songs!) The pirate of Penance The fiddle and the drum Roses Blue Rainy Night House The Priest Blue Boy Wild Things Run Fast Ladies' Man Solid Love You Dream Flat Tires Man To Man Fiction Tax Free Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) Shiny Toys Number One Dancin' Clown Snakes And Ladders The Reoccuring Dream Call me a heretic if you will, but I just don't like these 2 simply because they're just *so* done to death (Enough already with the paved paradise schtick!): Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Guitarists -- need your advice! (SJC) - --- CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, I am wondering if the guitar players on the > list can tell me if there > is anything I can do about guitar squeaks. They can > be heard on Joni's > albums at times, especially as her style has a lot > of slides. Are squeaks > the mark of an amateur or, in the words of a song we > all know, "nothing can > be done?" > Well, call me weird, but I kind of like guitar squeaks. They're not the mark of an amateur - they just happen. There may be ways of cutting down on them somewhat, but to me, they add to the music somehow and I don't think there's much you can do to get rid of them - consider them percussion! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:55:10 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: RE:Take me back to Chicago... and Detroit... > >tomorrow morn I leave Michigan my Michigan for Chicago, my hometown, for > my first place and beloved White Sox and our favorite Joni Mitchell. Hey Clark! Welcome back to the greatest city in the world! I may get to the show yet, but it's only about 50/50. Wish I had known or been in on the discussion list earlier to catch up with you Chicago Joniphiles! By the way I am a huge White Sox fan in a SCRUB town! Even though I am a north sider. Anyway, it will be nice to know that my city will be filling up with Joni fans this weekend and throughout the week. I will not have access all weekend, but if someone tells me where you'll all be hanging out Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe I'll check it out! Tangent #1: On another note, last week I picked up yet another copy of Blue. It was cheap and you never know when you'll need it. After all, I have been through 2 copies on vinyl and 2 or 3 tapes (not 8 track!). So on the way to my local hang out, which does NOT play my kind of music for the most part, I thought "I am giving this CD to the bar." Occasionally on Sat or early evenings they will play jazz or (hate to use this term) easier listening 60's & 70's rock. I was very happy with my charitable decision. As I entered the bar, I fell into another dimension! I suddenly heard (without taking the cd out of the packaging) - "The Last Time I Saw Richard." I hadn't had anything to smoke , I couldn't quite comprehend the sound I was hearing. But Lo & Behold! My favorite bartender was playing "Blue!" So out of character! So wild, - so twilight zone - AGAIN! Just thought it was a funky little happening that totally blew my mind! It also happens to be the #1 song that the love of my life and I used to sing together. Unfortunately I lost that love of my life almost 2 years ago, but lately I really felt they are present and sending me good vibes! Good Weekends till Tuesday - Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:11:56 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 okay, don. i thought i was doing really well, and like, getting excited to quit my job... but-i lost already!!! i don't know the answer to any of these! i am guessing bob dylan i don't know what a Fairlight is and Sting. how did i do? alison e. in slc >One verse of Joni's classic "Big Yellow Taxi" was >written by what other famous singer/songwriter: > >a. Ricky Martin >b. Joe Walsh >c. Bob Dylan >d. Carlos Santana >Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell >NEVER played on an album? >a. Guitar >b. Dulcimer >c. Fairlight CMI >d. Vibraphone >Which legendary front man wanted to perform the song >"Lakota" on a solo album? > >a. Frank Sinatra >b. Sting >c. Robert Plant >d. George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:30:08 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: more on Metheny and Joni Carlton, I love the word "pantheon." OK everybody... Here you go, now it's official! OFFICIAL WORLD MUSIC PANTHEON ============================= Top Shelf Musical Deities: Ludwig von Beethoven, Joni Mitchell, Georg Frederic Handel, George Gershwin Standard Issue Deities: Felix Mendelssohn, Johann S. Bach, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis Minor virtuoso-level deities: Pieter Tchaikovsky, Michael Hedges, Jean-Pierre Rampal, Claude Bolling, Keith Jarrett, Chet Atkins, Jaco Pastorius Honorable-Mention Demigods: Maurice Ravel, Stevie Wonder, Billie Holiday, Herbie Hancock, Edith Piaf, Burton Cummings, Charles Mingus, Phil Ochs, Harpo Marx Second Cousins to Demigods: Igor Stravinsky, Lennon & McCartney, Paul Simon, Bonnie Raitt, Odetta, Ray Charles, John McLaughlin, David Lanz, Pat Metheny, Kate Bush Unicorns, Flying Horses and other Magical Beasts: Johann Pachelbel, Enrico Caruso, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Annie Lennox, Dolly Parton, Louis Armstrong, Sam Cooke, Gato Barbieri, Rick Wakeman Centaurs, Minotaurs and other Minor Beasts: Johannes Brahms, Ian Anderson, Stevie Nicks, Eric Clapton, Dinah Shore, Harry Belafonte, Cat Stevens, Woody Guthrie, Barbra Streisand, Charles Aznavour, Maynard Ferguson Mere mortals: Stephen Foster, Vivaldi, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Weber, Cher, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, Jose Feliciano, Robert Plant, Hank Williams, Victor Borge, Carole King, Bob Dylan, Sting, Diana Ross Mortals dispatched to clean up after unicorns, centaurs, minotaurs, etc.: Franz Liszt, Captain & Tennile, Celine Dion, Ferrante & Teicher, Kurt Cobain, Yo Yo Ma, Sammy Davis Jr., Gloria Estefan, REO Speedwagon, Marie Osmond, Charlotte Church, Peter Cetera, David Byrne. Harpy Memorial Day! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:33:40 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement Colin wants to kill off the inner circle (of which I may or may not be a member) not the Jews. He's an anarchist not a fascist. Long live the inner circle! oops Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > and in response, Colin wrote: > yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand > that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word > "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's > exchange becomes: > > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > yes-it will kill off the Jews. > > Now Jim again. > I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > > I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful > statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. > Other opinions? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:07:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: putting away childish things Yes-Joni's Love from WTRF is what came to mind. Howard Motyl wrote: > > Beautifully put, Colin. > > I hear echoes of Corinthians 11 in your post. > > Thanks. > > Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:17:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 > >d. Carlos Santana > >Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell > >NEVER played on an album? > >a. Guitar > >b. Dulcimer > >c. Fairlight CMI > >d. Vibraphone Alison-my guess was the Vibraphone mainly because I haven't heard of it and it sounds like a phone sex toy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:30:14 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: the "mystery" of Hissing In a message dated 5/26/00 2:42:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << I'm a big fan of "Hissing." >> I am too.I wish she'd sing a song from it at her concert. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:01:25 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: BSN tour Ok Apparently there are tapes of Joni's current tour circulating on the list. I would hate to think that one of the UK listers has a copy. If you know what I mean....... email me privately ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:18:36 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs (NJC) In a message dated 5/26/00 9:08:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << God, I *hate* it when that happens! I actually agree with something > that Colin wrote! :) Don't worry-I am sure it won't happen too often. > >> Oh -oh! Colin and Steve agreeing - 2 for 2!!! MG feeling very agreeable after a day off from work, two beers and a long properly SFP'd bask in the sun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:25:09 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Chicago concert I just had to write because I am GOING CRAZY waiting for Tuesday to come! I know there must be plans for a pre-concert get-together in Chicago (though I have missed them.) I couldn't make it anyway because I'm travelling down from Milwaukee and have to get my 2 teen-aged nieces and notoriously late sister on the road in time. Is there any way JMDL people can identify each other somehow or meet some place during intermission??? Let me know. Thanks, Kerry NP (in my head) - Judgement of the Moon and Stars (stuck there since I found out she will be singing it at the concert!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:34:50 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Least Favorite Songs I agree with others about the Jungle Line. It just doesn't fit with the flow of the album. Also, Ray's Dad's Cadillac, You Dream Flat Tires and The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) don't do much for me. Maybe I just don't like songs with references to cars?!? And I have to say that I love the song, Snakes and Ladders. After I was dumped by my first girlfriend, I played this over and over (with the volume turned way up) and it helped me through! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:33:49 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 So I'm listening to my "Joni-Song-That-I-Listen-to-Again-and-Again-This-Week"--which happens to be "Passion Play" for the time being, and I laugh out loud when I listen to the line "Who is this heart-dealer?" I used to think the line was "Who is this heart-stealer?" but today it sounded like "heart-dealer," and to think of that as a reference to Jesus just blew my mind. How appropriate and how funny. What beautifully ambiguous connotations! Then I read the lyric sheet and it said, "heart-healer." Oh well. I still like "heart-dealer." Jesus the heart-dealer. Much love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:37:32 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 :) I guess I should be able to get the lyric right after 8 billion listenings today... "Who in the world can this heart-(d/h/st)ealer be..?" Knew I quoted it wrong as soon as the song came back into my head. :) Love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:02:11 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: the "mystery" of Hissing > So, I've come onto Joni-L wondering: Has the "mystery" that Joni points to > been "unravelled" by anyone? Is there now a consensus as to what the > mystery is? Hi Bruce I don't think there has been a consensus as to what the "mystery" is. ( I don't think there has ever been a consensus on anything on the JMDL.) I think the "mystery" is how the album, the songs were created. >Has the extent to which Hissing is a "total work...., > conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally" been laid > out, somewhere? (Definitively, or conjecturally.) Well yes, I would say it definitively has been, on an album called The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Welcome to the list; Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:11:45 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: A & M studios In a message dated 5/26/00 8:40:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << And most often, I think, the A & M studios, just down La Brea from Hollywood High (Kakki's not around to correct me, hehehehe...) >> Steve: I am here! So you aren't safe! A&M is in fact on La Brea - that's totally correct, but Hollywood High is on Highland, same as the Hollywood Bowl and my house,for that matter, is just one block west of Highland (Cahuenga) as you recall. If I had kids, they would go to Hollywood High! Hope Kakki's proud of me for stepping in during her absence. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:21:23 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: today's numbers! (njc) ANNE!!! This is wonderful news! Heather - with tears of joy! At 05:19 PM 5/25/00 -0400, Anne Sandstrom wrote: >Hi everyone!!! > >Today's chemo was long, BUT I got my new numbers. > >My CA-125 level, which is how they measure the progress of the chemo is 23! >Anything below 35 is in the normal range. The scream you heard mid-morning >was me. THEN my sister from Connecticut showed up by surprise. Another >scream of delight! > >So, I am absolutely confident that there are no cancer cells left. I still >have do do the 3 remaining chemos. > >I owe all of you an incredible amount of gratitude. Your thoughts and >prayers have pulled me through this. > >Also (hope I'm not revealing more than I should - I listened to the L.A. >concert during the treatment. All I can say is WOW! I did have the advantage >of being able to listen to Judgement of the Moon and Stars more than once. >For me, that was the highlight of the concert, which is saying a lot. Thanks >to everyone who made this possible. > >So, go do something nice for yourselves. You deserve it. You didn't know >that joining this list would give you the opportunity to save someone's >life, now did you :-) > >LOTS of love >Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:27:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Matrimony > Hey!! Why hasn't anyone asked *me* to marry them on this list? Harump!! Not > fair! > > Hugs, > Ashara {stamping her foot} Yeah! Isn't my twin sister good enough for any of you mugs? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:10:39 -0500 From: alice@mindspring.com (Alice Sebrell) Subject: Atlanta mystery man This is my first post to the list after lurking around in the shadows for quite a few months. I just wanted to let Mike know that I also noticed the guy videotaping from the stage at the Atlanta concert. I was very curious about who he was and who he was working for. His shorts and Hawaiian shirt definitely made him stand out from the rest of the folks on stage. I was the lucky person who got to take pictures for the website that night, and a friend and I later decided that the inspiration for Joni's lovely outfit that night was an ear of corn. Yellow kernels on the inside with pale green husk for the outer layers. Other outfits on the tour definitely come from somewhere other than the cornfield, though. I would like to go on record defending Tea Leaf Prophecy. I think it is a beautiful, meditative song. I cannot defend Dancing Clown, however. Alice from Asheville, NC P.S. This list is great. I'm happy to be a part of it, even if mine has been a very quiet part thus far. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:39:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Holiday Songs It’s time for tonight’s Top Ten List, ladies and gentlemen… Are you ready? Tonight’s Top Ten List is… (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Holiday Songs… (SFX: APPLAUSE, CHEERS) Number Ten... "Santa’s Flight Tonight" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine... "Mary and the Kingpin" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight... "The Jingle Line" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven... "The Last Time I Saw Rudolph" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six... " Big Yellow Nose So Bright" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five... "Come in from the Pole" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four... "Help Me Open This" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three... "Merry House/Santapiece" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two... "A Case of Yule" (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Joni Mitchell Holiday Song... "The Ho-Ho Dance!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:46:49 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement (NJC) Okay, I've seen it all now.... *sigh This was so out of the blue, and from so far left-field, I am seriously bemused! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:00:42 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni and Van Gogh in Detroit Call it serendipity, but when Joni hits Michigan's Pine Knob next Wednesday there is a show of Vincent Van Gogh at the Detroit Institute of Arts at the same time. See information about the exhibit at: http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2000/vangogh/index.htm Cassy N.P. Natalie Merchant "All I Want" - courtesy of Bob :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:09:44 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Pigeon-holing Joni I remember seeing Joni on the Johnny Cash TV show, I was 10 years old. It was the first I'd ever heard of her. I loved everything about her. I wanted to play guitar like her. I wanted to write like her. I wanted to look like her, although I wasn't willing to go against the grain of 5th grade hip and revert to bangs. She sang Both Sides Now. 32 years later and I'm looking forward to a concert called Both Sides Now. I listened to DJRD late last night, through headphones, in the dark, loud. It had been quite awhile since I'd listened to it. I loved this album when it was released, when I was 19 years old, and love it still. Joni was 34 years old when she recorded DJRD, on the record she is preserved at 34, while I have aged to 42. It must be the mark of a great artist, a master, to create such timeless work, that has beauty and deep meaning for a 10 year old child, a college sophomore and for the same woman as she enters middle-age. To what genre does Joni's music belong? We know the critics constantly refer to it as Folk Music, we know they're wrong. It's classified in most music stores as Pop/Rock. It's not Pop because: 1. it's not particularly popular, and 2. very little of it sounds "dated", even after 3 decades. It's not, with 3 or 4 exceptions, Rock. Some of it is Jazzy, but it's not, with several exceptions, Jazz. Does it belong to a genre? Or is Joni Mitchell her own genre? Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #286 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?