From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 284 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fwd: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued [Brian Gross ] Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Jason Maloney ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Song [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: life saving [pat holden ] the catherine wheel NJC [pat holden ] Re: HUH? ["P. Henry" ] Re: Robert Christgau? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: HUH? [catman ] Re: new listers ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Least favorite Joni songs [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: Sark - NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: HUH [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: Barangrill Question NJC [susan+rick ] Joni Labels [AsharaJM@aol.com] Christgau, Naivete, and the Defense Department ["Michael Bird" ] Re: HUH? Enough already! [dsk ] Re: Joni makes it onto Who Wants to be a Millionaire?! ["Debby Magill" <] Re: Christgau, Naivete, and the Defense Department [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: was reading Tolkein's trilogy, plus a question. [susan+rick ] Re: HUH? NJC [Howard Motyl ] RE:Least Favorite Joni Songs [PFallo@aol.com] WTRF [Howard Motyl ] Re: HUH? NJC ["P. Henry" ] Review in the Village Voice [Howard Motyl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:28:27 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) - --part1_c6.5b090b7.265f111b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/00 12:52:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: " David Byrne -- The Catherine Wheel Now Talking Heads performed one of the songs "Big Blue Plymouth" on 'Stop Making Sense' -- but for those of you with a taste for music that's "way out there", you really should pick this one up. I mean really, how many CDs in your collection have instrumental credits like: "kitchen metals", "triggered calliope" and "double belled Euphonium"? Happy listening ... Don Rowe >> EVEN MORE OBSCURE and one of my all time favorite recordings is DAVID BYRNE AND (i please) the NITTY GRITTY DIRT BANDs score to Robert Wilson's Civil/Wars- Songs for the Knee play. with a stunning version of IN THE UPPER ROOM. doug/chicago np: Zap MAMA - --part1_c6.5b090b7.265f111b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v73.12) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:52:42 -0400 Received: from sarah.smoe.org (sarah.smoe.org [24.30.216.56]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:52:10 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by sarah.smoe.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA16FB1; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id PAA18092; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:51:00 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id PAA18064 for joni-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id PAA18050 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22918 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2000 19:50:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525195006.22917.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.145.177.122] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:50:06 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) To: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: Don Rowe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown Now I know there are a few jmdl'ers out there with fabulous, varied, eccentric -- and sometimes "why the hell did I buy THAT" -- collections. But today I'm spinning a real "rarity" ... and wondering if there's anybody out there in joniland that knows about it: David Byrne -- The Catherine Wheel Now Talking Heads performed one of the songs "Big Blue Plymouth" on 'Stop Making Sense' -- but for those of you with a taste for music that's "way out there", you really should pick this one up. I mean really, how many CDs in your collection have instrumental credits like: "kitchen metals", "triggered calliope" and "double belled Euphonium"? Happy listening ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - --part1_c6.5b090b7.265f111b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued NO NO Not the *BLUE* pill !! Don't you know what that will do?????? ;-)> - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Oh, you're out there today, Don. Now see the nice nurse. It's time for > your BLUE pill. > Lamadoo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > --- David Piekarczyk wrote: > > > > > Is this list about Joni Mitchell or about how much > > > of an expert each of you is on her life? > > Don wrote: > > Neither, since you ask. This list is about pathology > > ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:40:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued Brian Gross wrote: > > NO NO > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > Don't you know what that will do?????? yes-it will kill off the inner circle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:41:49 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs William Elliott wrote: > Snakes& Ladders Wellllllllllllll.........!!!!!!!! ;-) There you go, don't it just prove the theory that one man's meat is another man's poison??? I love this song, always have done. The Don Henley factor weighs heavily in its favour, too. Took me a whole decade to discover what the *exact* lyrics are, though Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:10:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Song "Whipping Post" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:15:24 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: life saving The reality is Anne...that you who are the life saver...you have given us all a reason to get back on track with what matters and with what should be important and that is to be concerned and to love and care for someone who is in need. Because of you, we get to really celebrate life and what it is and what it means. It is always and forever my pleasure to continue to light candles, think positive thoughts and send you so much love as you get through this tough time. still here for you, Mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:18:51 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: the catherine wheel NJC Don Rowe wrote: <<>>> <<>>> I've heard of the Catherine Wheel because we sell it where I work. Amazing stuff. mags. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:39:14 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HUH? Howard Motyl wrote: >you are indeed late in chiming in. oh gee... I'm *so* sorry... not! And before you wrote your harangue my what? you should have read all the posts of the thread. not interested This has already been settled among the people involved and you are just stirring up old bile. too bad! oh I see, you're 'expressing your opinion but I'm >I am trying very hard to remain calm in this reply. I could be calling you all kinds of name but I am not going to. hey, go for it! you're already putting me down which I did not do to you... but *now* I will... LoL! I am going to talk to you like a rational adult. ya right >First of all, how dare you how dare I? how dare *you* ask me how dare I?!? presume that I don't love Joni Mitchell and all that that means. The discussion you refer to had nothing to do with love (or hate) for Joni and her music and her art. bull! >From that discussion, which was lengthy and sometimes tedious, I do not know how you could derived that I don't like Joni Mitchell. I don't think she is perfect and I know that a lot of us on this list don't think she is. But we don't presume anyone is, including ourselves. I think she is a genius and, if you had actually read all of the posts on this discussion, you would have read those exact words. Her music and her words have been a major part of my life since I first heard her. then how can you be so ungrateful??? >So, don't presume that because I defended the right for other people to post negative reviews that I don't like Joni Mitchell. why not? why would someone who likes Joni defend people who don't? it makes not one bit of sense! And don't presume blah, blah blah... don't tell me what to do! >What you have to remember is: No one is right, no one is wrong, it's just a matter of opinion. I don't *have* to do anything and you start quoting Nietzsche next I think I'm gonna be sick! >I am glad you have the forum to express your opinion... good, cause here it comes! howard, what a crock! You call this meely mouth mush of compromise and confusion an opinion?!?!? you state you love Joni but you take exception with two people who happen to be particularly gushy in their praise of her and, as you admit, defend people who want to put her down... where is the logic in this howard? Im sorry it just doesnt make any sense! I dont forbid people from having opinions and if they have negative things to say about Joni, fine... just go do it somewhere else! Thats not what this forum is for and if ya really wanna take a vote and see who the majority backs, thats just fine with me. Yer gonna lose bigtime! For all your many words, maybe its time for you to stand up for something thats true and get off the fence. I am also not as smart as some people, including probably yourself. I am not as schooled as jim, dont work in the entertainment scene in LA like kakki, Im not a great musician like mike paz or steve dulson or, praise God, david lahm but, rather than feeling slighted by them I am grateful to be in the same bunch of those who get it and have the good sense to love Joni as I do and frankly I dont have the time to put up with crap from those who dont nor do I think they have a right to spread it here! You wanna call me names, fine, but I suggest you do it offlist as it will probably bore the shit out of everyone, just like this thread. Am I a pain in the neck? Am I being unfair? Yer damn right I am! I am unreasonable and unfair just like a parent whos child can do no wrong. I am entirely biased which is why I joined a biased group and I take it personally and I am deeply offended that you, who says you love Joni, want to defend naysayers. NO! Absolutely not! I believe just as much in people having the right to express themselves, as in: I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it! but you dont try campaign for bush at the gore camp, promote the kkk amongst a black southern baptist congregation and you dont come here and put down Joni Mitchell or support those who do! ............IMHO! Pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:41:55 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? In a message dated 5/25/00 12:11:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << As you likely know, Christgau has been a music critic with the Voice forever, it seems, and is (or was) highly respected. He must have some axe to grind re Joni...maybe she dissed him at some point and he's never forgiven her. That *was* a remarkably nasty review (of *her*, personally). "Boston Jim" >> I wonder what happened?and when?If you ever read Christgau's book of music reviews from the '70's called "The consumer guide,you'll see that he liked Joni above almost all other singer/songwriters(a genre he had nor great respect for-he disliked Carly Simon,Cat Stevens,James Taylor ect...)He gave very high grades(at least an A-) to "Ladies of the canyon","Blue","For the Roses" and "Court and spark". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:05:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: HUH? Shame on you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:07:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: new listers And the concert reviews have been wonderful to > read--Thanks to all of you. > > Lilly-- a little shy. Welcome, Lilly! Don't be shy. Jump right in! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:22:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC > > That Mark from Seattle is drop dead handsome and sharp and smart as heck! > Mary Grace, how you *talk*! (blush, blush) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:24:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Second-Choice Titles for Famous Joni Mitchell Songs! I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm channeling Letterman tonight. So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, here's tonight's Top Ten List... (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Second-Choice Titles for Famous Joni Mitchell songs... (SFX: POLITE APPLAUSE) Are you ready, folks? (SFX: MORE APPLAUSE) Number Ten: "Ray's Dad's Heart Attack" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine: "Car on a Cat" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight: "The Last Time I Seen Richard" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven: "Dave Geffen All Summer Long" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six: "Cherokee Luiz" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five: "Come in from the Cold Cuts" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four: "Help Moi" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three: "Woodcock" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two: "Curt 'n Sparky" (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Second -Choice Title for a Joni Mitchell song: "Blew!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:33:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Proposed song for Wally's tribute BTW Mark, jj sent me a list of songs that Wally had on his computer call FUNeral Songs. Songs to play at services after he's gone, see? Some of the titles run a little morbid but it's morbid business. Here was Wally's list: Angel- Sarah McLachlan This Ole House- Rosemary Clooney or Stuart Hamblen Learn To Say Goodbye- Dusty Springfield Liz Phair- song? The Wind Cries Mary- Jimi Hendrix Baby, Don’t Go- Sonny & Cher Together Again-Janet Jackson 1 After 9:09-The Beatles A Flower Opens Gently By-Rick Nelson (1972) Glory Train-Ricky Nelson Missing You-Diana Ross Leavin’ on a Jet Plane- Peter, Paul and Mary Better Off Dead- Randy Newman (?) I Miss You-Randy Newman Goodbye Jimmie Goodbye-Kathy Linden (on Lost Female Teen Idols CD) With A Song In My Heart- Jane Froman For A Dancer- Linda Ronstadt & Emmylou Harris Jimmie, Play- Jackie DeShannon (1974) Freddie’s Dead- Curtis Mayfield - ---------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Proposed song for Wally's tribute > I have a 12 inch single of 2000 Miles b/w Fast or Slow The Laws the > Law and a live version of Money in which Crissy says 'Give me money! > Lots of money! More than I can make as a cocktail waitress.' Always > loved that line. I thought maybe there were lyrics printed on the > sleeve. There aren't. But I'm pretty sure it's 'frozen & silent > nights.' > > Mark > > > THANK YOU! I was totally unsure here and there were no printed > lyrics. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark or Travis" > > To: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: Proposed song for Wally's tribute > > > > > > > > > your knees > > > > > frozen inside at nights > > > > > > I always thought this was 'in these frozen & silent nights'. > > > > > > Just trying to help. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:37:52 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Saskatoon Mary wrote: <> Hi Mary and all, I am definitely going to Saskatoon, (have the plane ticket and everything!) and would love to see a separate list for this. I am definitely interested in getting together and meeting up with everyone! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Re: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice Christagau writes: "My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a dumb rumor or a damned lie....." Well, I heard a rumor that she is so grand that she asked the Dalai Lama to take care of her cats while she's on the road! David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:10:34 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: NY Show, assorted ramblings... Hi all! Back in slc from a fabulous time in the big apple...so a few thoughts and thanks, etc. We had a great time at Judy's Chelsea before the show, even though i was terribly late and got much ribbing from the folks who thought i would be there at 5:00..I am so sorry! these things will happen, but what can you do when your mom reaallly needs a nap before the show? ha ha. she took new york like a champ (but got very tired!). so i am very grateful for the time i did get to spend with other listers and friends of listers. what a fantastic group of people! thanks to david lahm for suggesting the place (still haven't had a chance to listen to my new "jazz takes on" cd, but if it's anything like his live stuff i know i won't be dissapointed!), and kenny, brian (nice stack, brian!) emily (who's boyfriend courtney was baffled that we had heard so much about him!), preet from spain, jill (i touched her! i touched her!) and every other lovely person with whom i got to converse. it was really great, and made the concert and experience that much more special. as for the concert itself...what can I say that hasn't already been said? my mom and i cried though nearly the whole thing. i think the people around us thought we were seriously troubled...haha. it was one of the best nights of my life, and i am especially happy that i got to share it with my mom and so many great other folks. i hope i don't have to wait another 28 years for it to happen again. thanks to everyone, again. take care, alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:05:43 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Least favorite Joni songs I find much of the _Clouds_ album a tad precious, especially lyrically. I'd have to agree with David about "Songs To Aging Children Come". And then of course there's "Roses Blue": I think of tears, I think of rain on shingles I think of rain, I think of roses blue I think of Rose, my heart begins to tremble to see the place she's lately gotten to Gotten to, gotten to gimme a break... and still she inspires me -- lyrics like that give me hope for my own songwriting. It's hard to believe they were written by the same woman who gave us _Hejira_ and _Hissing_... Bern Giordano (Cleveland USA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:15:36 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Sark - NJC Sara wrote: << I was just wondering if anyone has ever read anything by Sark...? I've recently started getting interested in her work, and I think it is really inspiring, humorous, and just all around great! Has anyone ever read anything by her? >> I love Sark! I have all her books. She brings out the child in me, the innocence, and the importance of getting back to the basic, important things in life. Very good messages in a simple fun way. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:21:58 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Re: HUH P.Henry(badwolff@angelfire.com) writes, among other things: <> <> gesundheit, Pat Bern ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:30:54 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Barangrill Question NJC >> From: "Susan" >> Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my first >> Joni concert in >> January 1972. A young kid named Jackson Browne opened >> for Joni, that >> night. I was very young ...14 (gulp). Then Catherine posted: > Hey - I was at that concert too! Where did you see > it? I saw Joni at Massey Hall in Toronto. Jackson > Browne opened for Joni and she sang songs from Blue > and FTR. (I was a > bit older than you - I was 18!) Then I say: Hey Catherine, I was at that Massey Hall concert too! I sat tenth row just to the right of centre. And I was even older - 23. All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:22 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Labels Bob, the guy who is not making CD's for Paul anymore, wrote: << And I have to add, Paul, that I received your mailing today - Paul sent me these wonderful mailing labels with my name & address & Joni's picture on them. Very cool, Paul, now I can mail in style! SO those of you who get a package from me in the future, know that my Joni labels were provided by Mr. (respecting my elders here) Paul Pennington! >> Ooooooo!!!!!!!! This sounds too cool!! I think the Video Tree Gal must have these as well!! Any chance of buying some, Paul? Hugs, Ashara {who absolutely cannot wait until this Joni-filled weekend!} www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:12:11 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: Christgau, Naivete, and the Defense Department 1. I have been reading Robert Christgau's "Consumer Report" in the Village Voice for years, and I can't tell you the number of times I've finished the review thinking, "I have no idea what the record sounds like, I have no idea if he liked the record, and I have no idea what the point was of all that self-indulgent rambling." I began reading his review of BSN and threw my hands up in frustration. I have little respect for critics who are more enamoured by their own cleverness than interested in offering a lucid review. "Propaganda, piss on 'em." 2. There's not a single Joni track I'll "program out" (there's a phrase we couldn't use a few years ago) when I put on a CD, but I do get a good giggle out of the silliness of "Conversation" and "Roses Blue" both of which I think are so precious and naive, they're funny. (That said, it's sad to hear Joni dis so much of her early stuff for being naive, when even the Early Early stuff shows an extraordinary maturity.) 3. In defense of "Dancin' Clown," don't forget that Joni reeled off yet another astonishing, original figure of speech in those lyrics, the like of which you'll never hear another human being repeat in your lifetime: "you're a push button window! ... I can run you up and down!" 4. In defense of "The Tea Leaf Prophesy" (okay, this is a boy whose first JM record was CMIARS), and returning somewhat to an earlier thread about "measuring your life in Joni lyrics", there are two lines from that song that are woven indelibly into my life's fabric, and come up again and again as the seasons go round and round: "Summer's just a sneeze in a long, long, bad winter cold" and "oh, what does it matter? The wash needs ironing, and the fire needs stoking." 5. Not that it's required at the moment, but if asked, The Nickel Chief will stand up and defend every note on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter to the death. 6. And that includes the "bok-bok-bok" chicken imitation. Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:15:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: was reading Tolkein's trilogy... ps... In a message dated 5/25/00 2:29:24 PM US Central Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << ps - and I'm not sure but I think at one time Joni called her publishing company Gandalf... anybody heard that..? jim? simon? (it's been a loooooooonnnggg time folks) >> That's true, Pat...on Tom Rush's "Circle Game" LP, all three Joni tunes are listed as Gandalf publishing. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:57:22 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: DJRD LEAST FAVE? On least favorites,,, Jim said Jim, Say it ain't so!! I still love DJRD, of course Jericho, but also Talk to Me,I'll concede it's possibly because of Jaco. I don't want to "see the light", am happy in my ignorance. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:54:05 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: HUH? Enough already! > Howard wrote: > "you should have read all the posts of the thread." > and P. Henry replied > "not interested" Then why would we be interested in what YOU have to say? You're being a jerk here, Pat. The painful-to-everybody discussion is over. People have knocked themselves out trying to resolve bad feelings and misunderstandings, and you blowing off now is completely inappropriate. You're just trying to cause trouble. And if you're doing that for fun, then you're letting us know more than you realize. So calm yourself down, or if you can't do that, go pick a bar fight or find a boxing bag and leave your crap off the list. It's not been asked for but I'll give it anyway: my advice to everyone is to completely ignore whatever screaming Pat Henry does from this point on. And don't bother sending me any private replies. I won't get them. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:53:59 -0400 From: "Debby Magill" Subject: Re: Joni makes it onto Who Wants to be a Millionaire?! Hey guys! I just finished watching "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" and couldn't believe it when a Joni question came on!! Did anyone else see it? I was dying!!! The question was "In Joni Mitchell's 1970 song Big Yellow Taxi what did they pave to put up a parking lot?" The answers were: a. Central Park b. Her spirit c. Paradise d. California The guy in the hot seat used his 50/50 which left "Central Park" and "Paradise" as the possible answers. He still did not know the answer so he used his phone a friend lifeline to call his sister who also did not know the answer!!! I was absolutely dying! He finally guessed "Central Park" and quickly lost and walked away with only $1000.00 instead of $16,000.00 he was playing for. I was screaming at the TV and wondered how many other JMDLs were doing the same ... I could not believe he did not know that answer! I thought everyone knew at least that Joni song! Needless to say, BYT is stuck in my head now on an endless loop :~) At least I know I'll have sweet dreams and hope you all do, too! Night-night ~ Debby in Mad Beach ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:53:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Christgau, Naivete, and the Defense Department << In defense of "The Tea Leaf Prophesy" (okay, this is a boy whose first JM record was CMIARS), and returning somewhat to an earlier thread about "measuring your life in Joni lyrics", there are two lines from that song that are woven indelibly into my life's fabric, and come up again and again as the seasons go round and round: "Summer's just a sneeze in a long, long, bad winter cold" and "oh, what does it matter? The wash needs ironing, and the fire needs stoking." >> Hi, Nick! Again, the reason I'm turned off by TLP is the melody, or lack thereof...the lyrics are OK, pretty cool actually as a history leson about Myrtle's beginnings with Bill, but melodically there just ain't nothing happening. And it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:53:10 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: was reading Tolkein's trilogy, plus a question. P. Henry posted: > ps - and I'm not sure but I think at one time > Joni called her publishing company Gandalf... > anybody heard that..? jim? simon? (it's been a > loooooooonnnggg time folks) Hi Pat I searched out my broken-spined copy of the first Joni Mitchell songbook and found that a lot of her early stuff and most of her unrecorded music is listed as copyright of Gandalf Publishing. The lyrics pages show a single copyright but the arrangements pages show all of these songs re-copyrighted to Siquomb Publishing in 1969. Does anyone know how all these publishing companies work? Joni seems to have several going at the same time. Is there a reason why she would want to keep her songs separated in this way? All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:57:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Train to New Orleans Well, the plane actually...i'm gone to Jonifest! If you've sent me any messages and I don't reply, I'm not ignoring you, I'm just partying with my best friends! Peace all, and leave that smelly turd alone! ;-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:07:28 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: BOTH SIDES NOW IN COLUMBIA MD. Just back from tonight's show, and it was amazing, in every way. The orchestra, composed of many Military band and National Symphony players, was fantastic, didn't sound un-rehearshed at all. Joni seemed to be in a great mood, really enjoying the gig, and Peter Erskine just proves that he's the consumate tasteful drummer in whatever setting he's employed. Judging from some of the posts about earlier shows in the tour, Joni seems to be getting more comfortable with the material and forum, she was majestic, and is starting to really get inside these tunes......more later. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:17:59 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 Hello, everyone. My name is Mindy, and I recently joined this list in search of like-minded people who agree at least slightly with my conviction that Joni is an absolute miracle. I was deeply blessed to see her perform at the Greek in L.A. on the 12th. What strikes me most in retrospect, even though I was waaaay up high---which I didn't complain about too much, because of the view from up there of the stars and trees---her every little motion was completely noticeable. The look she gave the "Russian on Prozac" while singing Hejira...the flicking of the cigarette, the constant pushing up of sleeves. I could practically see every nuance on her face, she had that much PRESENCE. What are my least favorite Joni songs? What a funny way to start my relationship with you people. :) My least favorites are "The Jungle Line"---cough, cough, choke---although I can see its purpose in context. I inevitably skip over it though. It only interrupts an otherwise magnificent piece of work, in my opinion. Another one I always skip is Roses Blue from Clouds...the album, while now not one of my favorites, was the first Joni album I found and has much nostalgic value for me...but that song always annoyed me all too much...I appreciate the subject matter but the references seem uneducated and naive. Ooh, I never thought I'd be publicly saying that about Joni. But to jump into the new thread, Joni, PLEASE arrange Peoples' Parties/Same Situation and Harry's House...that would make me happy. And Passion Play. And Job's Sad Song. Whew, those last two would be outrageously cool with an orchestra. Much love to all. Mindy NP: my son's soft snore, the buzz of the lamp, the dog's panting... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:57:14 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Merriweather Show Hello dear friends, WWWWWOOOOOWWWW!!!! Very Cooool Show. I just got baptised into the realm of seeing our Lady of Duality...The Both Sides Babe...Jumpin' Jazz Jivin' Joni and her Swingin' ensemble. I will try and post a full report ASAP but for now it's off for a little shut-eye before I need to return the rental in the morn. But for now I shall say that I was really moved and awed by the whole event. The crowd, the sound, the lights, the cool night air (the video was the only thing that was between fine and "I remember my first video camera" - shaky, wobbly and inconsistantly out of focus on occaision...but hey! I got to see every wrinkle in every expression on Sweet Joan from Saskatoon's face). I did get to meet up with Loren Carter and his wonderful wife, briefly a guy named Dave who says "he only posts about once every six months", and out in the parking lot I bumped into Eric Postel (I'm sorry I couldn't find the rest of you guys...I walked up and down the space inbetween the seats and the grass with a sign that said, "JMDL SPOKEN HERE"...I hope you all made it to the show OK...get in touch with me privately....cuz...well...just because...I'll tell you later why). In closing, let me say, I gave out a bunch of free, live Joni recordings to all the people around where I was sitting...young, old, and somewhere inbetween (even the whiney person sitting next to me...just to try and shut them up about "Oh, Joni is making a huge mistake with playing these songs in this 50's style...She's a folksinger...yada yada yada) in the spirit of all that this list has given and shown me...Thanks a million. Take care all, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni question on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" Our sixteen year old was watching that show tonight and her reply was "DUH! paradise." She couldn't believe the guy (or his sister) didn't have a clue. Then she turned to me and said "ya know mom, kids at school would probably be amazed with how much Joni trivia I know too. All I would tell them is you don't live with my mother!" ;-) I bet most of the rest of us with kids have passed on more than we realize. Debbie, did you happen to catch Regis' closing words on the subject? He said "I bet if (contestant name) still had his 'poll the audience" option left, he could have gone far. ;-) Penny PS Have a fabulous time in New Orleans all you party hearty JMDLers! Sounds like it's going to be a rip-roarer!!!!!!!!! PSS Thank you soooooo much, lovely Catherine T, for the same mail delivery Kakki got yesterday. Whoohooo! ;-) Debbie wrote: <> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:08:49 EDT From: GuruDJSmithmix@aol.com Subject: Talking to Pat Methney about Joni In a message dated 5/25/00 4:23:30 PM, davebeth@bellatlantic.net writes: << When Shadows And Light came along a few years later, I was *beside* myself! It was, and remains, a dream come true for me. >> Like yourself I was thrilled to see Pat Methney, Lyle Mays, & Jaco hook with our goddess for Shadows and Light tour. Had a chance to speak with Pat Methney about seven years ago and of course the first question I asked him was, it must have been heaven to work with Joni awhile back? And he said it was a pain to work with her and she was not very sociable on the road and that he was not interested in working with her again! Sounds like it was not a pleasant experience for him. I could tell he didn't even want to talk about it. Sounded like Joni was a little too demanding of him and the band! Ill tell ya, I was a little disappointed to hear that! I put her a such a pedestal, that was like a blow to the gut! Anyway, a brilliant tour and album came out of this, so I guess that's what is important. Strange.....This doesnt sound right to me? Peace all, Guru DJ Smithmix NP: The Best Of Elizabeth Fraser Vol. 2 (of the Cocteau Twins) cdr. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:24:01 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Joni gets political (!!!) in DC/MD concert To echo Dave F, Joni was magnificent! I'm a slut and I loved it all, but I thought her version of "Both Sides Now" was utterly transcendent. Also worth noting is that Joni talked about political stuff, sort of: She talked about the importance of songwriters keeping publishing rights for themselves, and she mentioned Don Henley's work (and here I'm writing about something that I know nothing about; it seems to me that she mentioned him for his work in support of writers and artists versus record labels. Maybe somebody who knows the issues can expand a bit?) I thought the turnout was terrific, BTW -- if Merriweather Post wasn't sold out, it was certainly close (at least in terms of seating in the pavilion; I don't know how big the crowd on the lawn was). I'm ready to do it again tomorrow and every other night of my life. And Joni seemed really, really happy, as though performing is as entertaining for her as it is for us. How nice to see her so in command, and so happy. BTW, despite best intentions, Jane and I didn't connect with any other JMDL folks tonight. It's one of the few disappointments of the evening, but I'm sure we'll be getting together some time soon. - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:44:32 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Sark - NJC For those who enjoy Sark: she was on Diane Rehm's radio show earlier this week on WAMU, one of the best public radio stations in the universe (*and* the radio station from which I won my two tickets to Joni). Sark, Diane and listeners spent nearly an hour exploring all manner of things, and the show's available on the web in Real Audio. This is how WAMU's web site describes the show: "Artist and author Susan Kennedy -- better known as SARK -- presents her unconventional perspective on emotional healing. From learning to appreciate the simplest pleasures, to confronting the most painful of life's experiences, SARK's advice is always honest, quirky and surprising." And here's the URL if you'd like to listen: BTW, the URL will work for at least a few more days; after that, though, the Real Audio will still be available from the WAMU site, but in their archive section. Enjoy, all you juicy and succulent souls! At 10:15 PM 5/25/2000 EDT, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >Sara wrote: > ><< I was just wondering if anyone has ever read anything by Sark...? I've > recently started getting interested in her work, and I think it is really > inspiring, humorous, and just all around great! Has anyone ever read > anything by her? >> > >I love Sark! I have all her books. She brings out the child in me, the >innocence, and the importance of getting back to the basic, important things >in life. Very good messages in a simple fun way. > >Hugs, >Ashara >www.photon.net/lightnet > - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:56:29 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: HUH? NJC Pat You have not met me, you have not spent any time in my company, you have never spoken to me. You know nothing about me and my life, my loves, and my dislikes. Stop attributing things to me that are not true. You have read one part of a very long thread and, by your own admission, you will not read the entire thread. If you would, you would have the full story and would realize what you are saying about me is not true. How ironic it is that you are attacking me for saying negative things about Joni, when on the very digest where you begin the attack, there is a thread called "Least Favorite Joni Songs" (not the first time for this thread) that's filled with words and phrases like "roundly disliked", "uninspired", "filler", "I find the melody annoying", "detest", "boring", "flat", "irritating" to describe Joni's songs. And I haven't contributed a single word to that thread. Should you condemn those people, too? Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:06:30 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: RE:Least Favorite Joni Songs i guess my least favorite joni song would be "the inner circle game". oops, i'm sorry i think that one was written by jim and kakki... anyway, in recent memory, i guess i'd have to second "lead balloon". the way she repeats "lead, lead, lead, lead balloon" is really annoying. that song goes over like a lead balloon. i usually also program my cd player to skip "harlem in havana" when listening to ttt. i find that even wayne shorter's playing can't save that track. phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:34:58 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: WTRF I know this was a thread from a couple of days ago but I was in the middle of a different thread and didn't get a chance to put my two cents in the Wild Things Run Fast posts. I love this album, I always have. I have kind of scratched my head when I've read over the years that other people don't like it. I think it is absolutely singable--which is an important criterion for me. The last song, Love, with Joni's twist on Corinthians 11 is one of my absolutely favorite Joni songs. Amazingly well sung--it goes through me every time. I have always wanted to hear this song a capella--just strip off the background and to hear her in incredible voice. Her melody to this is unbelievable, her phrasing, her emotion. It makes the album. If you haven't heard this song in a while, go back and listen to it. Again and again. One of the joys of the universe. And thank the universe for the person who wrote those incredible words originally. "Love suffers long, love is kind! Enduring all things, hoping all things, Love has no evil in mind." And how about Chinese Cafe--brilliant, wonderful storytelling. In some ways, it reminds me now of Song for Sharon (another of my favorite Joni songs with one of my favorite opening lines--"I went to Staten Island, Sharon, to buy myself a mandolin and I saw the long white dress of love on a storefront mannequin" the beginning of a song of exquisite lyrics.) There are fun songs like Be Cool (can't wait to hear what an orchestra is going to do with this) and Baby, I Don't Care and little rockers like the title song. Moon at the Window? Excellent, in that little jazzy styling. At least the thieves let that behind. The idea of Dreaming Flat Tires to signify a dying love is brilliant. (Am I using this word too much?) If there is anything negative to say it's my usual complaint of using too much overdubbing of herself. And Solid Love? Well, no one's perfect. I will admit that WTRF is no Hejira (what is?) but it is full of fine surprises in both music and lyrics. Howard M It takes cheerful resignation, heart and humility, that's all it takes. NP: Moon at the Window (which I called Moon in the Window the other day in a post and, thankfully, no one pointed it out) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:41:33 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HUH? NJC don't worry, howard. I'll probably be hearing from them soon... and, as grumpy as I am, time permitting, I'll probably get around to them as well; but yes, you're right... were I codemning and attacking you as you say, I mean what I say and said what I meant and it is directed not only at you but at anyone who wants to take it to heart and anyone who wants to take issue with me is certainly at liberty to do so. my opinion hasn't changed since my last post. anybody who does want to cast negatives on Joni can find good company, I hear, over on the Jackson Browne list or, if that's not to your liking you can go to egroups.com and start your own Joni sucks list. whatever smokes yer shorts. as for you, I don't see as it makes any difference at all how well I know or don't know you, though I truly mean you no ill will... any friend of Joni's is a friend of mine... keyword: *friend*! ...but logic is logic and it is not logical to tell a bunch of Joni fanatics that you think they should allow people to trample her good name. you know it and I know it and everybody on this list knows it. be nice. knock it off. Joni is great! period! she is better on her worst day than most are on their best and her art is so far out of site of most other artists it's not even funny. all I'm saying (and not attacking or condemning you) is that I strongly disagree. I did not join this list to hear people cut Joni's art down. I can get that offlist if I want to. also, jim and kakki and anybody else can gush to the high heavens in praise of Joni and you won't hear a peep from me. that *is* why I came here. cheers, pat - -- On Fri, 26 May 2000 00:56:29 Howard Motyl wrote: >Pat > >You have not met me, you have not spent any time in my company, you have never spoken to me. You know nothing about me and my life, my loves, and my dislikes. Stop attributing things to me that are not true. > >You have read one part of a very long thread and, by your own admission, you will not read the entire thread. If you would, you would have the full story and would realize what you are saying about me is not true. > >How ironic it is that you are attacking me for saying negative things about Joni, when on the very digest where you begin the attack, there is a thread called "Least Favorite Joni Songs" (not the first time for this thread) that's filled with words and phrases like "roundly disliked", "uninspired", "filler", "I find the melody annoying", "detest", "boring", "flat", "irritating" to describe Joni's songs. And I haven't contributed a single word to that thread. Should you condemn those people, too? > >Howard M > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:54:20 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Review in the Village Voice now this is the kind of review I hate. How can a well-respected "alternative" paper have a reviewer who thinks the last time this woman had anything to say was way back when. Has he not heard Turbulent Indigo, TTT, or even Chalkmark? The rest of the review is laughable but this part about something to say is ludicrous. Howard M ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #284 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?