From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 283 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: French (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Don Rowe ] You gush girl! [dsk ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["James L. Leonard" ] DUETS / Mike Brecker [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: NJC Matrimony [AsharaJM@aol.com] Fw: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Barangrill Question [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's coming...and someone else is, too (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] Re: Joni's coming...and someone else is, too (NJC) [catman ] JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI [dave fairall / beth miller ] The devil's chord [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [David Wright ] Re: BSN [David Wright ] Re: HUH? ["P. Henry" ] today's numbers! (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: For New Listers ["Alan Lorimer" ] next album....your choices? [TheHotelNH@aol.com] Re: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [William Elliott ] Re: For New Listers, Joni's Paintings On a PC Screensaver ["Jim L'Hommedi] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] Least Favorite Joni Song ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: HUH? [Howard Motyl ] World of Joni Mitchell lp ["James O. Phillips" ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Song [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE:Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Garret" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: French (NJC) > > Bob wrote: > > > >> And it would be the Coup de Gras to see that > chestnut show up on Joni's > >> Christmas record! > > and Steve Dulson replied: > > > I think Bob has been eating too much pate' de foie > gras - I think he means > > coup de grace. > --- susan+rick wrote: > I don't know Steve, from the way some people are > reacting to that song it > sounds to me like being hit by a big blob of fat > would be a fitting > description;-) Better late than never, and slogging though several days behind the pack, I've still got to put my miserable 2-cents in... "Coup de grace" is the final blow meant to put someone out of their misery. Bobbie dearest, does Joni really make you feel that bad? :( I wonder if you meant "piece de resistance" or some other thing? Maybe you did really mean "coup de grace" - after all, it's a morbid little Christmas and we really don't need any more cheery Christmas albums, do we? ;] ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs If memory serves, the last time this subject got loose, it made the going's on around Los Alamos look like a backyard barbeque. Yes, "Dancin' Clown" is roundly disliked, as is "Smokin' Empty Try Anthother", "No Apologies", "Nothing Can Be Done" (which I think is magnificent BTW), the "rap stuff" on Mingus (not a song thing really), "The Tenth World" -- but those who love the song defend it with the strength of ten, "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" surfaced as well -- much to my astonishment, and some others I can't recall. And before I let you go ... it's not the start of the thread I object to ... so much as your careful tap-dancing around the issue. ;-) So what's YOUR least favorite? Mine's "No Apologies" today, mostly because the first verse is so brilliant -- then it falls apart. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:14:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: You gush girl! Kakki wrote: > WARNING - High Gushing content > > I'm going to be very honest here ... I really wanted > you all to love it and you did. ... I'm so glad you experienced the same > magic so many > of us have so far. ... these could be Joni's most fantastic concerts ever. > ...be prepared to have your life changed a little. Hey, Kakki, you go girl, gush for chapters if you want to! This is from an earlier message you wrote: "...I have gotten ... criticism a number of times in the past for my "eloquent" writing style. I have even been told by some people that I should "dummy it down" because it pisses people off. But when I have tried to dummy down, I have been quickly corrected, so I can't win. I truly can't help how I write. I am overly verbal - it's just the way the circuits are connected in my brain." You can win Kakki, just go with the way you're made, as you always have, and don't worry about the complainers. I always relate to what you're saying and truly enjoy that wordy style of yours, and there's never too much in what you write. And though I could easily continue for several more paragraphs here :-), I just wanted you to know these simple things, so your good heart won't feel under siege, ever again. Take care, and .... write on Giiiirrrlllfriend! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:30:16 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hey, Don. I posted *some* of my least favorites in response to Bob earlier, but you know what? I think I forgot to cc the list! (blush) Here are a few of mine which haven't been mentioned by you or Bob: "The Jungle Line" (I dislike this mostly because it breaks up the flow of one of my favorite albums, and appears right after the opener, "In France." I normally program it out. I object mostly to the context in which it appears, and the juxtaposition withs "In France" and "Edith.") "Talk To Me" (This one is uninspired, imho, and is filler on DJRD...not to the same extent that "The Third World" is, but filler all the same. Joni wrote much better songs along this line, both thematically and musically, before DJRD...which is beginning to become one of my least favorite albums overall. That didn't used to be so, but I'm beginning to see greater weaknesses in it as it (and I) age. I may have been blinded a bit by the fact that Jaco's featured so prominently.) "Lead Balloon" (The title says it all, imho) "My Old Man" (I didn't include this one in my original post to Bob...which I thought had also gone to the list...and I know it's probably a sentimental favorite of many because of its JT connection, but I find the melody annoying...especially during the line "We don't need a piece of paper from the City Hall." It's kind of a throwaway song, I think, amid an album of classics. I do like the imagery in the line "The frying pan's too wide." It reminds me of the Hal David lyric, though, in "One Less Bell To Answer, One Less Egg To Fry," which, if memory serves, was popular not too long before most of the Blue material was written.) I could go on, but I don't want to inhibit others from chiming in. "Boston Jim" > > So what's YOUR least favorite? > > Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:45:30 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: DUETS / Mike Brecker <"Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson> Jim, An all duets Joni album would be interesting, I'm sure JT and Sting would love to participate, and perhaps some other female artists, i.e. Annie Lennox, Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt. Tales from the Hudson is a great record Jim, {Grammy winning I believe}, and have you heard Michael Brecker's latest, Time is of the Essence, with Elvin Jones? Wow!!! Dave F. Baltimore "Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:50:44 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs <> See, for me, that's the part of the song that I love the MOST, because *that* piece of the melody is Sooooo Joni-esque! Obviously, it's all a matter of individual taste, so there's no right & wrong, and I always find it interesting how although we're so similar here we can be so different as well. But hey, that's what makes it work! Those were some ballsy picks, Jim...hope you're puttin' that flameproof armor on down there! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "For The Roses", Greek Theatre, 05/12/00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs - --- "James L. Leonard" wrote: > "The Jungle Line" (I dislike this mostly because it > breaks up the flow of > one of my favorite albums Agreed, certainly my least favorite off HOSL > "Talk To Me" (This one is uninspired, imho, and is > filler on DJRD...) Are you out of your rockin'-ass mind? This is one of the jewels in the crown off DJRD! Read that lyric sheet closely, and I think you'll see something well beyond "uninspired", and certainly unique in many aspects, of which Jaco's bass line is just one part. This IS a new one for "least favorites" -- to say the least! > "Lead Balloon" (The title says it all, imho) Oh come on, you've got to admit there's a certain charm in putting on a Joni song, and the first thing you hear is "Kiss my ass!" After hearing Richard Thompson's 'Black Crow' -- it really makes me wish Joni called on him for the lead line, and given Wayne Shorter a break. Thanks for sharing! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:31:08 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Matrimony Hey!! Why hasn't anyone asked *me* to marry them on this list? Harump!! Not fair! Hugs, Ashara {stamping her foot} www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:45:13 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Fw: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) I don't think I copied the list on this (again). - ----- Original Message ----- From: James L. Leonard To: dave fairall / beth miller Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: Re: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) > Hi, Dave. > > I was wondering if, in fact, there *had been* a Duets album planned, but it > got shelved. "Good Friends" and parts of CMIARS might have come from the > sessions? A new one would be welcome, though. :-) > > Re Time Is Of The Essence...yes, it cooks! I have to come out of the closet > at this point to say that I've been a die-hard Metheny fan since back in the > mid-'70s when he was teaching at Berklee and held the second guitar chair > (Mick Goodrick was the featured guitarist) in Gary Burton's group. I was > attending Emerson College then, also in Boston, and was the afternoon jazz > host on WERS-FM. > > Bright Size Life then came along (with Jaco, Pat's friend from the > University of Miami, FL), and then Watercolors. I was at the Pat Metheny > Group's first-ever live show, outdoors in Vermont, when they debuted the > material from what would be the first Group album..."Phase Dance," "San > Lorenzo," "Jaco," etc. I've followed Pat's career (everything!...including > the avant-garde stuff) just as closely as Joni's. As a matter of fact, my > first post to this list involved mentioning that the very first time I heard > Hejira, with Jaco and with Joni's electric sound (very Pat-like), I dreamed > of a collaboration between them. > > When Shadows And Light came along a few years later, I was *beside* myself! > It was, and remains, a dream come true for me. I wish Pat and Lyle Mays > would have had a little more room to stretch, but that's a *very* small > quibble. Just in the last couple of days I learned on the list that S&L has > been reissued as a 2-CD set (I bought the truncated single disc *long* ago), > and I'm on my way to update my copy, believe you me! > > Pat's is one of my favorite careers, as is Joni's. I highly recommend > everyone on the list check him out...in detail. I'd be happy to steer > anybody to certain areas of his vast catalog, based on your preferences. > God, what a talent! > > Oh yeah...I am and have been a long-time fan of Brecker's, too. :-) What a > player! He made/makes Coltrane's premature passing a little more bearable. > It's great to hear him playing with Pat (as he has often, since 1980), > Elvin, Goldings, Tain, and Stewart. > > Sorry for the lengthy post...got on a roll. :-) > > "Boston Jim" > > > > Tales from the Hudson is a great record Jim, {Grammy winning I believe}, > > and have you heard Michael Brecker's latest, Time is of the Essence, > > with Elvin Jones? > > Wow!!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) Now I know there are a few jmdl'ers out there with fabulous, varied, eccentric -- and sometimes "why the hell did I buy THAT" -- collections. But today I'm spinning a real "rarity" ... and wondering if there's anybody out there in joniland that knows about it: David Byrne -- The Catherine Wheel Now Talking Heads performed one of the songs "Big Blue Plymouth" on 'Stop Making Sense' -- but for those of you with a taste for music that's "way out there", you really should pick this one up. I mean really, how many CDs in your collection have instrumental credits like: "kitchen metals", "triggered calliope" and "double belled Euphonium"? Happy listening ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Barangrill Question - --- Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:56 -0500 > From: "Susan" >Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my first Joni concert in January 1972. A young kid named Jackson Browne opened for Joni, that night. I was very young ...14 (gulp). Hey - I was at that concert too! Where did you see it? I saw Joni at Massey Hall in Toronto. Jackson Browne opened for Joni and she sang songs from Blue and FTR. That was just before FTR came out (I think - at least, if it was out, I hadn't bought it yet but I was right on it as soon as I could find it!) (I was a bit older than you - I was 18!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's coming...and someone else is, too (NJC) Catman, I thought that was just your weird sense of humour *pretending* you didn't know who Elian was! - --- catman wrote: > Okay Janet-I was reminded who elian was! How i could > have so quickly > forgotten.. but having said that i only his first > name anyhow. And yes > he was all over the news here for days too and then > there was that > thread.... > > Janet Hess wrote: > > > > Elian Gonzalez is scheduled to play all of Mark > Isham's solos in the > > Washington BSN concert. > > > > ;p > > > > At 06:16 PM 5/24/2000 +0100, catman wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> ELIAN GONZALEZ is MOVING INTO MY > NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!!!! > > > > > >Janet it seems you are really excited. I have no > idea why though! Who is > > >Elian? > > > > > ----------------- > > So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up > and carry him. > > And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her > all into your arms > > 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't > know what we are. > > Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:56:11 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention, Saskatoon-goers! I wish I were going to 'Toon town, alas... This press release is running the media gauntlet today... Joni Mitchell Goes Home to Canada to Unveil Artwork Reuters May 25 2000 3:03PM ET WINNIPEG (Reuters) - World-renowned singer and songwriter Joni Mitchell will return to her Canadian home province of Saskatchewan at the end of June to unveil the first-ever exhibition of her paintings. ``Still best known for her music and words, Joni Mitchell's primary preoccupation remains her visual art,'' a statement from the Mendel Art Gallery in the Prairie city of Saskatoon said on Thursday. The exhibition of more than 85 works, titled ``voices,'' will open on June 30 and will run until September 17. It will also feature the poems and lyrics of Mitchell, currently a resident of the United States, who will attend the opening. The career of Mitchell, born in 1943 in the small town of Fort Macleod, Saskatchewan, began in art school before she climbed to fame as a musician with songs like The Circle Game, Both Sides Now and Big Yellow Taxi. The artwork of Mitchell, who also captured headlines a few years ago after being reunited with a daughter she gave up for adoption when she was a young woman, graces her newest CD release, Both Sides Now. Admission to the show, curated by Canadian Gilles Hebert, will be free. RTR/ENTERTAINMENT-EXHIBIT-JONIMIT << Who is going to the opening of Joni's exhibit at the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon on June 30, 2000? And has a "sub-list" been established yet for this group? E-mail me privately and/or on-list. "Inquiring minds want to know"! Mary P. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:03:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Maybe I am not that keen on Dancing Clown but love 10th world, Nothing can Be done, No Apologies, Smokin and detest Rays Dad's Cadillac. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:06:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Just goes to show how different we all are. Jungle Line, Lead and Talk To me are among my fave Joni tracks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:07:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Just goes to show how different we all are. Jungle Line, Lead and Talk To me are among my fave Joni tracks. In fact I got into Joni by hearing Jungle on the radio back in 75 and went and bought THOSL. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:08:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's coming...and someone else is, too (NJC) Fraid not-just my age. It has been a while since the Elian thread you know. Catherine McKay wrote: > > Catman, I thought that was just your weird sense of > humour *pretending* you didn't know who Elian was! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:20:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: was reading Tolkein's trilogy... jim graciously provided: >When Joni was writing her first songs, she was reading Tolkein's trilogy and had a few acronyms for names of fairy tale characters. This one was "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body." She adopted it as the name of her publishing organization.> ah! there it is! the wonderful and oft-discussed new lister question we all know and love! LoL! jim, your post reminded me that I forgot to (re)mention in my recent comments on the unrecorded 'The Wizard of Is' that the subject of the song was Gandalf, Tolkein's grand old wizier! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:31:14 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI Boston Jim said.....{paraphrased} Jim, I second and third all the sentiments in this thread. Jaco was a genius, a true one of a kind talent. Like many true innovators, he was a complex / troubled soul who died too young. I saw him once leaning on the fence next to the BB courts in the Village in the early 80's with a boombox, having not bathed for weeks, a really tragic figure. Metheny is by far my favorite guitarist, {I think he's the best player on the planet}, and for my money, as a fellow sax player, there's only Bird, Trane and Brecker, { and maybe Wayne}. I've been fortunate to have met all three of these influential players, {even played on a record with Michael Brecker}, and Shadow's and Light is never far back in my CD rotation. It is a supreme accomplishment for Joni...who else could have assembled a band like that, { I understand, they all jumped at the chance to interrupt their burgeoning careers and go on the road with her}..... truly Joni's finest hour. Looking forward to hearing Peter Erskine, Bob Sheppard and Wallace Roney tonight w/ our diva in Columbia Md. Too bad Herbie didn't come South. Thanks, Dave F. Baltimore Md. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:23:07 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: was reading Tolkein's trilogy... ps... ps - and I'm not sure but I think at one time Joni called her publishing company Gandalf... anybody heard that..? jim? simon? (it's been a loooooooonnnggg time folks) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:25:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Robert Christgau? >His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? Brilliant! LOL! (BTW, I wonder where Joni picked up "wanker" from? Although it is not unknown over here, the term is such a Britism. Wonder who she's hanging out with?) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:25:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: The devil's chord Hey everyone, I can't remember if anyone came to the conclusion about what chord Joni was talking about when she said the 'devil's chord,' but in the report I did on Joni for my Music Apprecation class, my teacher called it a diminished 5th. He also noted that it was correct that it provoked doubt. FWIW, the asshole gave me an 80/100. If anyone would like a copy to slap your name on, just let me know! :-D (joking) NP-Jerry Garcia Band, 7/20/76 - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs > > > > So what's YOUR least favorite? "Songs to Aging Children Come" and "Taming the Tiger" (title track) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: BSN Christgau's reference to a "concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair" reminded me that this is exactly what I have always thought DJRD is (plus several other things). Think of the journey from "Talk to Me" and "Jericho" at the beginning of the album to "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," "Off-Night Backstreet," and "The Silky Veils of Ardor" at the end. I was struck by this recently. It makes this fanfare about the "concept" of BSN (e.g., Larry's liner notes) seem rather funny. - --David P.S. OK, Christgau's review *was* mean but I don't want to hear any suggestions that he's overrated or overpaid. He kicks ass, OK? ;) (Read him sometime on music that he really likes for proof of this.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:05:23 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HUH? hey howard, I'm really late chiming in on this one but I gotta tell ya: this is jmdl and around here negative reviews about Joni Mitchell *are* 'SHIT'! what are you doing on this list anyway... there are zillions of people who aren't Joni fans and would think/feel/say negativity about her and guess what? they aren't here! so what's with you?!?!? there must be some artist(s) you *do* like... go join their list and praise them and enjoy the company of likeminded people... leave jim and kakki alone and get a life of your own cause obviously this ain't yer cup of tea! good bye, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:19:50 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: today's numbers! (njc) Hi everyone!!! Today's chemo was long, BUT I got my new numbers. My CA-125 level, which is how they measure the progress of the chemo is 23! Anything below 35 is in the normal range. The scream you heard mid-morning was me. THEN my sister from Connecticut showed up by surprise. Another scream of delight! So, I am absolutely confident that there are no cancer cells left. I still have do do the 3 remaining chemos. I owe all of you an incredible amount of gratitude. Your thoughts and prayers have pulled me through this. Also (hope I'm not revealing more than I should - I listened to the L.A. concert during the treatment. All I can say is WOW! I did have the advantage of being able to listen to Judgement of the Moon and Stars more than once. For me, that was the highlight of the concert, which is saying a lot. Thanks to everyone who made this possible. So, go do something nice for yourselves. You deserve it. You didn't know that joining this list would give you the opportunity to save someone's life, now did you :-) LOTS of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:24:43 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: A Challenge for all you Music Sluts (NJC) In a message dated 05/25/2000 3:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << David Byrne -- The Catherine Wheel Now Talking Heads performed one of the songs "Big Blue Plymouth" on 'Stop Making Sense' -- but for those of you with a taste for music that's "way out there", you really should pick this one up. I mean really, how many CDs in your collection have instrumental credits like: "kitchen metals", "triggered calliope" and "double belled Euphonium"? >> We have it in our collection. It's not exactly easy listening, is it? I seem to recall very little else about it but I believe without checking first, that the Catherine Wheel was a dance by Twyla Tharp? I'll have to listen to it again. It's been in our collection on cassette for about 15 years. In a hurry, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:47:31 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI Jim, I played a soprano solo on an album by Vincent Nguini, (one of the African guitarists featured on Paul Simon's Rhythm of the Saints tour, which also featured Mike Brecker), and he added several tenor solos to the record after the fact. We weren't in the studio together, and didn't play on the same tune, but that's good enough for me...on the liner notes my name appears just after his. I never thought I'd get to be featured on the same album as THE MANl!! He employed famous Baltimore drummer Dennis Chambers, {in the Brecker Bros. Band}, who's a friend of mine, and I've recorded with several albums by guitarist Carl Filipiak. When I met Mike at Blues Alley in DC during his tour with McCoy Tyner, we spoke for nearly an hour between shows.. He remembered liking my work on those records too, which was waayyy cool. I've done a lot of local recording projects in and around the Balt/Wash area, but not much major label stuff. It's my passion rather then vocation now, but I feel fortunate to have rubbed elbows with some of the world's great players, and feel closer to Joni Mitchell.... by association, {does that make sense?} Thanks, "James L. Leonard" wrote: > Hey, Dave. > > Enjoy the show tonight!!! > > Btw...I'd love to hear your record with Brecker! Was it a large horn > section, or were you two goin' at each other like Jugs and Stitt...Dex and > Griffin...Lockjaw and Griffin, etc.? > > Have you recorded often? > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:39:12 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: The devil's chord I have always used the phrase "flatted fifth" to refer to (1) an interval (the "distance" between two notes) or (2) a scale degree (the relationship between a particular note in a scale or chord and the tonic--or "root"--of that scale or chord). I know that's a mouthful and a brainful but my point is that "flatted fifth" is not a name for a chord... EXCEPT in the kind of slangy usage where "a flatted fifth chord" means "a chord which is characterized by its having had the flatted fifth degree included or added to it." (puff) (gasp) So.....if I heard you, Mark, or your teacher or Joni Mitchell refer to a "flatted fifth chord" I'd have SOME idea of what was meant but, to me, a very inexact idea. That being said, I have heard the "diminished fifth" or "augmented fourth" called "the Devil's INTERVAL" (my emphasis). BTW, I'm quite sure my "flatted" is equivalent to your "diminished." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:42:26 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs The reason this is a fun thread is the wide variety of responses it evokes. "The Jungle Line" and "My Old Man" as least favorites?!?!? IMNSHO "Jungle Line" is sheer genius, from the Burundi drums to the synthesizer to the lyric. And "My Old Man" is the platonic ideal of romantic art song. I love the melody. My dislikes? "The Circle Game," which goes on and on and on. "The Windfall," although maybe I wouldn't hate it so much if I had no inkling of its subject matter. "Number One" - boring. "Help Me" - boring. "Tax Free" - one of my favorite hobbies is dissing fundamentalists, but this song falls flat for me. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:38:01 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: For New Listers If anyone hasn't had a look at Ken's screensaver (not just the new listers), have a look. The graphics are simply stunning. Highly recommended :-) http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/ Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:16 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: next album....your choices? Hi all... Just to reaquaint myself with everyone, my name is Chris Cochran, and I'm writing from Birmingham, AL. I'm an English teacher, and am 23. I have been a member on here for about a year, and have posted a few times. I'm mostly a lurker in the shadows, though. I saw Joni last week in Atlanta, and it was wonderful, as everyone had said. I was spellbound the entire time. My favorite moment was "Ludwig's Tune." You guys are going to flip when you hear it (if you haven't gotten the chance yet). I guess because most of BSN is so slow and deliberate, I was expecting something like that. But this an epic...it really moves. And Joni sounded great on it. The reason I am posting is to mention a new topic that you all might want to discuss. Ever since I heard that Joni is doing her next album by recording her own work with an orchestra, I've been wondering what songs she'll choose. So I wanted to ask you all....what are the songs that you would choose? Which songs do you think would work well, and which songs would you like to hear? Some of my choices.... The Last Time I Saw Richard. For some reason, this was one of my first choices. I think she could slow it down a little, add the drums (like on MOA), and let the strings carry the song. Blue. I'm picturing something very drawn out, and slowed down, like BSN. See You Sometime. I guess it's because I just heard her new arrangement of For The Roses. I was surprised at how wonderful it sounded like that. I think that could work with this song. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering. She'd have to do some material from HOSL (my favorite cd). Either this one, or The Boho Dance. Down To You. Don't you think this is a natural choice? Your turn....take care, Chris NP: Tori Amos - Suede ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: William Elliott Subject: Re: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs >> > >> > So what's YOUR least favorite? > >"Songs to Aging Children Come" >and >"Taming the Tiger" (title track) > >--David > Snakes& Ladders and Lead Ballon's irritating chorus, Facelift b/c of those annoying, over-the-top, soap-opera-like keyboards, Help Me and, oddly, - until its orchestral rebirth in London - Both Sides Now...oh, yeah, and "Blue Boy" had always annoyed me for some reason....toodles!!! ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:58:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: For New Listers, Joni's Paintings On a PC Screensaver Hey kids, I'm not a taste-maker or anything, and one opinion is as good as another but I agree with Mr. Lorimer of Australia about Ken Slarty's Screen Savers. 45 of Joni's paintings, right there on your PC! Fun! Why just last week, we were discussing it at the Inner Circle and everyone agreed. Of course everyone ALWAYS agrees at the Inner Circle. It gets so BORING sometimes. :) > http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/ > Alan Lorimer > Hawley Beach > Tasmania np: Leap Of Faith, Bruce Springsteen Bruuuuuce! Bruuuuuuce! Bruuuuuuce! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:02:09 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs > > My dislikes? "The Circle Game," Another i really like-mainly because it is the only real tune she wrote! which goes on and on and on. "The > Windfall," although maybe I wouldn't hate it so much if I had no inkling of > its subject matter. "Number One" - boring. I agree with you here. "Help Me" - boring. No I like that one > "Tax Free" - one of my favorite hobbies is dissing fundamentalists, ooh you naughty girl! I really like the song tho-brilliantly done I think. but > this song falls flat for me. > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~there are only three kinds of people: > those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:17:33 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Song Least favorite Joni Mitchell song: "Diamonds and Rust" Second most annoying Joni track, "Send In The Clowns" from that awful album "Judith". All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati this is just stupid, middle American humor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:16:35 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: HUH? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A1E9CFF5948926D3A00E0A0F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "P. Henry" wrote: > hey howard, > I'm really late chiming in on this one but I gotta tell ya: this is jmdl and around here negative reviews about Joni Mitchell *are* 'SHIT'! > what are you doing on this list anyway... there are zillions of people who aren't Joni fans and would think/feel/say negativity about her and guess what? they aren't here! > so what's with you?!?!? there must be some artist(s) you *do* like... go join their list and praise them and enjoy the company of likeminded people... leave jim and kakki alone and get a life of your own cause obviously this ain't yer cup of tea! > good bye, > pat > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Sir/Madam: you are indeed late in chiming in. And before you wrote your harangue, you should have read all the posts of the thread. This has already been settled among the people involved and you are just stirring up old bile. I am trying very hard to remain calm in this reply. I could be calling you all kinds of name but I am not going to. I am going to talk to you like a rational adult. First of all, how dare you presume that I don't love Joni Mitchell and all that that means. The discussion you refer to had nothing to do with love (or hate) for Joni and her music and her art. From that discussion, which was lengthy and sometimes tedious, I do not know how you could derived that I don't like Joni Mitchell. I don't think she is perfect and I know that a lot of us on this list don't think she is. But we don't presume anyone is, including ourselves. I think she is a genius and, if you had actually read all of the posts on this discussion, you would have read those exact words. Her music and her words have been a major part of my life since I first heard her. So, don't presume that because I defended the right for other people to post negative reviews that I don't like Joni Mitchell. And don't presume that people who write negative reviews or make negative comments don't like Joni Mitchell. Jim and Kakki wouldn't, I think I can safely say. Finally, this is the "Joni Mitchell discussion list". It isn't the "Only for People Who have Great things to say about Joni Mitchell discussion list". Les will tell you that, Kakki will tell you that, and Jim will tell you that. As will probably every other person on this list. I think we all know that not everyone on the list is going to think alike and that occassionally, we are not going to agree and that, lo and behold, someone will hate Mingus (to kick that dead horse one more time) and someone else will love it. Maybe a discussion will ensue where people will learn things from each other--maybe their opinions won't change--but maybe each will hear the album a little differently the next time. That's what a discussion is about. Especially on the internet. We have to put up with people who may not have the same opinions that we have. What you have to remember is: No one is right, no one is wrong, it's just a matter of opinion. I am glad you have the forum to express your opinion and, crazy, it is the same forum where I can express mine. I love Joni Mitchell and her music, words and art probably as much as you do--but apparently we love them in very different ways. I allow your voice to be heard; I expect the same courtesy from you. Howard M - --------------A1E9CFF5948926D3A00E0A0F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------A1E9CFF5948926D3A00E0A0F-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu May 25 18:39:23 EDT 2000 From: "James O. Phillips" Subject: World of Joni Mitchell lp I had mentioned that I have a copy of the World of Joni Michell lp that was released in Australia briefly in the early 70's. While I am not going to sell my copy of it, I will list the tracks on the lp for anyone curious about the songs on it: Side 1: Big Yellow Taxi, Woodstock, All I Want, Both Sides Now, Chelsea Morning and I Had a King Side 2: Carey, the Circle Game, California, Song to a Seagull, That song about the Midway and Night in the City The front of the lp sleeve is a picture of Joni with her guitar. The back picture is the picture of Joni from the Songs to a Seagull album. James Phillips - ---------- Message To Spammers -- Game Over! Get spam-free email at http://www.MsgTo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:21:52 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: today's numbers! (njc) YES !! No, Anne - you rascal, I didn't know being on this list would give me a chance to "save someones life" but we might have guessed considering the source from which we all spring !! Yes? But I sense your guts & spirit have a bit to do with your triumphs, girlie! Faith HUMAN!! That's whats doing it for ya. Do those other darn treatments, blast the daylights out of the remotest cellular notion of cancer . (Jesus, I sound like what's his name?,, some preacher guy. If you were here I might seize ya by the head like they do) How did Joni come to you? When? I think her work is miraculous. Peg/VT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:27:44 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The devil's chord In a message dated 5/25/00 5:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm@aol.com writes: << "augmented fourth" called "the Devil's INTERVAL" (my emphasis). >> is this the essence of blues here,...playing in fourths, a natural tension? and i'm thinking about smoke on the water, which starts in fourths to bring the evil sense to it? pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:28:40 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: That was nice Bob. Thanks. Only one day to go and I'm there!! Oakdale Theatre. This is going to blow me away.. The last time I say her was 1979. Philly. I'm trying to get the boot to ya. Busy. Peg/VT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:48:09 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Song My least fav Joni tune: Leavin' On A Jet Plane Peg/VT NP: Not a fuckin' thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:52:52 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Wild Things Run Fast Dancin' Clown Peg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:03:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 In a message dated 5/25/00 12:47:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: << > Simon and Garfunkel's > Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme - > I especially love For Emily, Wherever I May Find He >> Back in the '80s I took in a stray cat and named her Emily for that song, though I suspect she found me rather than vice versa. We kept her for a number of years and for a while kept one of her babies, though we had to find new homes for all of them after our baby boy developed asthma. I miss Emily quite often, tho. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:08:23 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Song In a message dated 5/25/00 6:20:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Least favorite Joni Mitchell song: "Diamonds and Rust" Second most annoying Joni track, "Send In The Clowns" from that awful album "Judith". All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati >> Does that mean your favorite Joni song is "Someday Soon"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:31:31 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: A Question I have a feeling this may be replied to by the time I get round to reading posts, so sorry if it has. Joni used to record in proper studios (Warner Brothels, Ocean Way etc) and it was pot luck as to who would be recording across the hall as to who she duetted with. When she and Larry set up their home studio (the back end of CMIARS - The Bird The Whistles is recorded at home, thanks to Ada Wittenberg for that piece of info) the guests dried up too and only brought them in as part of a you scratch my back and I'll record on your disc deal (see Seal, David Baerwald, Karen Peris). The idea of Joni doing a duets album would be good though, I think that she has always played with the idea because of how she writes her songs (like theatre pieces, with different voices, male and female) so she has always written her songs with a 'cast' in mind. Didn't she say that she wrote Magdalene Laundries with Sinead O Connor in mind? Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: James L. Leonard To: Joni List Sent: 25 May 2000 15:57 Subject: A Question > Okay...*I'll* write something. On DED, Joni sings a duet with Michael > McDonald. On the next album, CMIARS, there are duets a-plenty. My question > is...did Joni begin a "Duets" album, a la Sinatra, and then decide to ditch > it, with some of the tracks finding their way onto the two albums I > mentioned? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:13:33 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Song In a message dated 5/25/00 7:01:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peves@marlboro.edu writes: << My least fav Joni tune: Leavin' On A Jet Plane Peg/VT >> My least favorite, then must be "Stoned Soul Picnic." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:21:07 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:Least Favorite Joni Songs "Boston Jim" wrote: >I hope this isn't perceived as a "negative" thread. I don't mean it to >be. >We all agree that Joni is one of the best songwriters of all time (if not >*the* best). Still, I'd be interested to know what are other JMDLers >least >favorite Joni songs, aside from the oft-trashed "Dancing Clown." What an interesting idea for a thread Jim:-) It would be nice to prove that we aren't a crowd of sycophants ( i had to look that word up, and it wasn't in my dictionary Howard!! so i'm assuming that i know what it means from the context in which you used it) I have two songs to admit to, but then i still haven't heard about seven of Joni's albums but am in the process of getting round to it!!!! 1. i hated "The Last Time i Saw Richard" the first time i heard it. i thought it was truly awful. i didn't find the lyrical content interesting, i couldn't find any hint of a tune, and even Joni's voice began to get grateing(as if :-). until one day, magically, i read something about it here on teh list and decided to listen to it again. i ignored the vocal (not an easy thing to do) and i fell in love with the Piano. after that of coursre that song grew on me. now, it's one of my very favourite Joni tracks and it would be one of my choices for an orchestral reworking. 2. The Wolf That Lives In Lyndsey. what is it about this song?? i have only listened to it twice, and cannot stand it. i listened to it on my discman and it didn't impress me. it just didn't sit well with me. anyway, on another note. i finally got For the Roses (thanks to Ms Kakki for telling us how truly amazing it is!) and today it was the first CD that i listened to on my new discman . the old one came to an untimely end after i dropped it down the stairs! GARRET NP-The Last Time I Saw Richard ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #283 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?