From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #282 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 282 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonifest2000 New Orleans Kicks off! ["lpeakes" ] Re: Be Cool ["lpeakes" ] Tickets for 5/25 up for grabs! (NJC) ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Re: NJC new to the list ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: NJC new to the list ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: new listers ["Paul Castle" ] Re: new listers ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC [catman ] Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice [Deb Messling ] A Question ["James L. Leonard" ] new listers NJC ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice ["intagliata" ] Tape Tree News- NJC, ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Tickets for 5/25 up for grabs! (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show ["Kakki" ] Re: Shadows and Light ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued [Don Rowe ] Re: music for a Rainy dayNJC [catman ] Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Craig Harris (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: NJC Re: Seeing Joni on May 23 ["Paul Pennington" ] For New Listers ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: Robert Christgau? ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] NJC Re: Seeing Joni on May 23 ["Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Re: Jonifest2000 New Orleans Kicks off! Have a ball, y'all! - And keep those reviews going into JM dot com - with lots of photos, too - I am loving seeing these concert shots - and Joni's clothing - Michael, you sound like a great host! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Paz To: Joni Digest Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: Jonifest2000 New Orleans Kicks off! > Hi Gang- > I am still breathing here. The lovely Lori reason and Timo made it into > New Orleans from frigid New York this evening and I met them at the official > JoniFest hotel downtown for a couple of cocktails at medication time (after > my rehearsal with the band for the fest). It was non stop conversation from > the very start. They are wonderful folks who were very gracious and came > armed with chocolates for the party and seem to be ready to go. I dropped > them off at NOLA Restaurant on my to a gig and left the in the capable hands > of my restuarant manager friend Bill. I am sure they had a great meal and > look forward to the rest of the early birds arriving tomorrow and seeing > Victor's sets tomorrow night. And so it was, the beginning of a great > weekend (a little early). I am now off to the arms of Morpheus so I can rise > early to meet Claud and Jimmy and Ed, Steve and Leslie, Kakki, and John. > Whoo hoo hooooooooooooooo! > > > michael > > P.S. Great pics everyone from the shows. I have read a couple of reviews > plan to catch up when they come out in audiobook form sometime in August. > > > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > zzz ;-} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:24:51 -0400 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: Be Cool > (the Rev) Vince, getting ready to see his beloved 1st place White Sox > and Joni, two days of each... does life get any better?>> Only if you're a Red Sox fan (1st place, babe!) and the Boston forecast is good - bless you, Rev! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:33:07 PDT From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: Tickets for 5/25 up for grabs! (NJC) COMPLETELY LAST MINUTE OPPORTUNITY: A friend (fiend?) ditched out on my last minute and I have two FRONT ROW seats for tonight's Aimee Mann/Michael Penn performance at the Sun Theatre in beautiful Anaheim, California. Anyone interested please email me at vanpelt101@buffymail.com as my Hotmail account is not accessible through work. First come, first lucky! Jerome ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:38:51 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: lead guitar on Tom Rush's UFG (NJC) Thanks alot for the info, Anne! "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Barangrill Question Hey, Susan. Welcome! And thanks alot for your Barangrill interpretation. "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:05:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC new to the list James wrote: >I just signed up for the list last night and what an interesting >list it is indeed. Glad to see you here, James! It's an interesting place, all right, and I'm sure you'll love it more by the day! >I also thought that I would share something that may be of >interest to anyone on the list. I have in good condition a >used vinyl lp of "The world of Joni Mitchell". Does anyone >else on the list have it, or am I the only one? Also, if anyone >wants to know the song order, I'll send it to you. It has selections from her first four albums. _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ - -----Original Message----- From: James O. Phillips To: joni@smoe.org Date: Thursday, 25 May 2000 05:09 Subject: NJC new to the list >Dear all- > > >I thought that I would take the time to introduce myself to the list and some of my hobbies that I do. > >My name is James O. Phillips and I live in the college town of Champaign Illinois. I'm a 25 year old married "gay" male who is celebrating my 1st anniverary on the 17th of July to my partner, Patrick. I play the guitar (both acoustic and electric) the autoharp and I have a 3 sting dulicimer in a state of disrepair at the moment. I like to sing and perform music, in fact, I have a show lined up for the 6th of June at a local coffeehouse. In my sets, I do covers by assorted people like Joni, Lucinda Williams, Rickie Lee Jones, Nanci Griffith, Bonnie Raitt and many more. I do write songs, but I am so embarrased to play my own material because the songs that I write are like my own children. I write in sort of a Joni, Rickie Lee Jones and Laura Nyro type of vein. > >The Joni songs that I know how to play on the guitar (I play only in standard tuning cause I get lost in open tunings: It throws me off) are Woodstock, Big Yellow Taxi, Both Sides Now, California, Carey and River. I am going to try to figure out Chelsea Morning in standard tuning one of these days, but haven't gotten around to it. > >I do have a question for anyone that might be able to share with me. Can someone explain the Roland thing that Joni uses on her guitar? How is it able to switch the tunings for it? I am interested in knowing a little bit more about it, and would appreciate any help anyone can give me. > > >Well, I had better go, so take care. > >To quote a favourite off of the Taming the Tiger cd, >"We should stay in touch", > >James O. Phillips >---------- >Message To Spammers -- Game Over! Get spam-free email at http://www.MsgTo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:09:20 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC new to the list James wrote: >I just signed up for the list last night and what an interesting >list it is indeed. Glad to see you here, James! It's an interesting place, all right, and I'm sure you'll love it more by the day! >I also thought that I would share something that may be of >interest to anyone on the list. I have in good condition a >used vinyl lp of "The world of Joni Mitchell". Does anyone >else on the list have it, or am I the only one? Also, if anyone >wants to know the song order, I'll send it to you. It has >selections from her first four albums. I also have a copy of this album. In case you didn't realise, it was only released in New Zealand (the land of compilations, and "greatest hits"!) and has become a bit of a rarity. I'm keeping my eyes out for more copies though, and I'm sure they'll turn up! Hell P.S. Apologies for the truncated/mixed-up/half-finished copy of this post that precedes this one. My fingers got confused and somehow hit send before I was ready. They've been severely reprimanded and sent to their room for "time-out". _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:04:37 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: new listers Lilly castle28@earthlink.net wrote > I discovered the list through the website-At times I've felt like > a voyeur--socially stimulated by the conversations between > members--feeling the friendships and above all, the admiration > for Joni Mitchell! I've loved her music, art, and poetry since I was >a teenager; over 25 years. Please 'step up' regularly, Lilly. That's exactly how I felt when I found this list about a year ago. Don't be at all put off if you don't get loads of replies each time. I found out pretty soon that most of this mad gang 'have' to read everything, but 'no reply' definitely doesn't mean 'no interest'. You'll be surprised at how things you've said, that no one responded to at the time, will crop up in a thread, sometimes months later. Before going on the internet I had always been gently teased for being a bit of a 'Joni trainspotter' (does that term translate? -where the voice inadvertently takes on a rather pompous and unpleasant nasal tone, with lots of upper lip movement). Turns out I'm just a mere 'novice' after all, but with a renewed hunger to learn and a great appreciation for my teachers. PaulC NP. 'Lesson in Survival' - FTR PS. Like you e-mail address (castle28) My age (I wish!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:20:39 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: new listers Lilly wrote: >Greetings All, I feel like I know so many of you--I've been a >subcriber to the list since mid-Feb.-my husband found Joni's website for >me the day after our first anniversay Welcome, Lilly! I too (believe it or not) felt a little shy when I first started on the list. But after a year of giving my opinion about every topic you can think of, it's worn off! I'm sure you'll love it here too! And what a cool anniversary present! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:18:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC Mark wrote: >They do get read, Hell, and with pleasure & interest. > >I know there have been lots of times when I've thrown myself into what >I think is a fantastic post and nobody responds. I've gotten over >feeling slighted. Not every post gets responded to but somebody reads >them, you can count on it! I thought of another reason that might explain why some posts don't get answers. "Boston Jim" asked a question about Barangrill, that I would loved to have responded to, but I just didn't know the answer. Maybe when a thread dies quickly it's just because no one knows - which is even more reason to repost it, so it can be discussed. Maybe that way we can FIND an answer! Hell - who is also well-over feeling "slighted" if my posts don't get responses. But very slighted that no one came forward to pay for my plane fare to Nawlins? Come on guys, someone here must be rich enough to spare a couple of thousand?! (and yes, I am DEFINITELY kidding) _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:57:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show > > Can't seem to find a website for The South Bank Show (and I even know the > name of the chap who presents it but can't think of it to do a search!). Melvyn Bragg All > I know is that they're not airing this season but they soon will. Monday > nights I believe.... JMDL cub reporters on the prowl > > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:59:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms > > I can't for the life of me think of a title that he may have made, perhaps > 'Querrelle' (sp?) This starred the late Brad Davies or Davis. > > Cool video too! I love the masks > > My prayers to you to GET WELL SOON!!!! > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:12:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC > Hell - who is also well-over feeling "slighted" if my posts don't get > responses. But very slighted that no one came forward to pay for my plane > fare to Nawlins? Come on guys, someone here must be rich enough to spare a > couple of thousand?! Hell-I tried this one already and it didn't work. I wasn't kidding either. Stingy! (and yes, I am DEFINITELY kidding) > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:23:42 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC In a message dated 5/24/00 10:32:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << It gets read, it gets read, it gets read. Trust me on this one. >> well, this is very interesting because i just recently had the opportunity to discuss our list with another lister and i was amazed at two things. first, that we were both able to remember, sometimes in detail, threads that ran over a year ago. secondly, that we both could see how much a persons personality comes out over time on the list. so ...for anyone who thinks they have an alter personality going here, and they choose to post,...the list will sniff you out and make you have a naked face. you can't really hide on this list, unless you lurk. ..not that there is anything wrong with that!!! and jesus, have i seen some things on this list this week i never imagined....french kissing, back bone, spicy language, hand gestures,....whew. it must be her tour bringing out the energy. oh, and that reminds me of the tongue litho post you made. just a week ago, i was taking my daughters to school and they were in the back seat of my car and i heard all this ewww ewww ewww going on. so i looked over and they had the bsn cover book open to the tongue shot. and then they started asking questions, like, daddy, why are they doing that...and had i ever done that....and i told them to put it away. it was just too much. i mean, they are only 7. then i looked in the mirror and they were sticking their tongues out at each other. and then i thought about when i was in high school and there were these two twins...the mcconnel twins. and i went with that memory for a while until i had a startling revelation, that my twins might be known as the mcfadden twins, so i shut it down immediately. talk about seeing something from both sides now. shudder. pat np. two step. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:39 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show Kakki wrote: > This is partly off the top of my head and partly from hard knowledge, but > it's a matter of some of the record companies starting out as independent > entities and then being swallowed up by the bigger guys. I recall, but > could be wrong, that Asylum was it's own company that was later swallowed up > by Warner. Same with Reprise. Geffen started his own indie label in the > early 80s and then sold out to MCA in around 1991. The Geffen label is the > only one not connected with Warner. I think you're right about the origins of Asylum and it's subsequent immersion into Warners, but I'm pretty sure Geffen had links with Warner until the sell-out to MCA in 1991. I used to buy quite a few Geffen albums back then, and they not only had a Warner catalogue number, but the packaging would also have that embossed "W" logo. > It was always sort of odd, IMHO, for Joni to be on the Geffen label because it > was initially known for going for the cutting edge groups emerging in the > 80s. Not that Joni didn't belong there, but they were really trolling for the > cutting edge unknowns at the Hollywood clubs back when they were just starting > out. Long ago, and long before I heard Joni say it herself in various > articles, I thought she was only brought into Geffen to give it a little cache > and not really to sell or > promote her. A classy tax-write off that gave the label a bit more prestige. > She has said this many times and it was always my take, too. Maybe why there's > some bad feelings now. It seems quite a few of the "prestige" acts that signed with Geffen in the early 80s had bad experiences...Neil Young being the most notorious example, but I also heard an interview with Elton John back in 1990 in which he spoke with regret at ever joining the label (although he's been on Polygram here in the UK since the late 70s, he was on Geffen in the US during the 80s). Cher also spent the 1980s on Geffen, only to move to WEA around the same time as Joni. Same with Don Henley, his new album is also on Warner. In fact, all of these big-name established acts associated with the Geffen label during that decade have - to a man (and woman) now switched *back* to a Warner-related company, be it Reprise, WEA or the Warner Brothers imprint itself. It probably hasn't been noticed all that much, since in most people's minds the likes of Joni, Henley and Neil Young have always *seemed* to be Warner artists. MCA has, of course, now become Universal, bringing with it a whole range of new problems and reshuffles. Good question, Jamie, and thanks for the insight Kakki! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:48:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC > Mark wrote: > >They do get read, Hell, and with pleasure & interest. > > > >I know there have been lots of times when I've thrown myself into what > >I think is a fantastic post and nobody responds. I've gotten over > >feeling slighted. Not every post gets responded to but somebody reads > >them, you can count on it! Now Lamadoo: You know something, Hell? You have, from the beginning had so much self-confidence, that I knew I was going to be enjoying your stuff for a long time. You know? Like when you suddenly started posting as Bad Hell. Then Good Hell on good days and Bad Hell on days when you felt....... not so fresh! I loved it!! Really fun! The ones I tend to rush in a rescue on the posts that run "I apologize for asking a question that may already be asked but, is anyone interested in having a copy of my Mingus demos?" You never know- someone' liable to have a gold mine! Now Good Hell: > I thought of another reason that might explain why some posts don't get > answers. "Boston Jim" asked a question about Barangrill, that I would loved > to have responded to, but I just didn't know the answer. Maybe when a > thread dies quickly it's just because no one knows - which is even more > reason to repost it, so it can be discussed. Maybe that way we can FIND an > answer! Lamadoo: Good point! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:59:43 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Bitterest Lyrics i had not thought about this thread much until yesterday. but there is a simple line i think in strange boy where knowing joni's independant personality, she reveals a very huge thing....i gave him power over me....and it sounds in the song, of course i'm going from memory, like it is a two edged thing. she liked doing it, but knew the cost of it. like it was her most precious thing she had to risk. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:06:09 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'Folk Museum' (re Joni Content - Who Knows?) Just had to share this exchange with sharon on the Lucy-list. sharon g" sdgold60@hotmail.com wrote > i read an ad to day that on the 14th of june, same day lucy > is on LI at the brokerage, there will be a fundraiser here in NY > with assorted folk artists- Odetta, pete seeger, juddy collins > with proceeds going to what will be a permanent > FOLK Museum of Greenwich VIllage... check it out > at WWW.folkmusicmuseum.com I wrote: This is just fantactic news!! Thanks sharon. I shall spread the word. Whilst I can't be there myself, I will certainly send $30.00 to the fund. Do you know where donations should be sent? Mind you, mine might come with the rider that they employ you as their Publicity Manager!! Oh dear, this news has got my head in all of a dither! Thanks so much! Paul PS The website lists the performers as Oscar Brand, Judy Collins, Odetta, John Sebastian, Josh White Jr. + special guests. Anyone know what Joni is doing on June 14th??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:59:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tape Tree News- NJC, long Our top story this morning- simon is working on a magnificent live recording of the BSN show at Concord, California that. It's not available yet but an advance copy is really cool and it WILL be publicized here when ready. It even has the overture on it, she's in perfect voice, and that phrasing is superb as always!!! And the sound is very very clear, right down to the lowest bass notes which are not one-notey at all. I guess the boys at Stereophile call it pitch definition. In places, you can clearly hear the ice cubes jangle in the paper cup of the person to your right!! Amazing, you-are-there sound, just like Simon's TNT Tribute cassette! Does anyone else think that DAT-to-cassette audience tapes sound better than CD and better than board recordings? There's an illusion that there;s no compression at all- totally open. Just one man's opinion. Brad Levy- Bob from SC sent me a Joni & James on the BBC show. I'm mailing that out to you along with the Tape Tree #3! So your melted tape has risen again! Enjoy! Jean-Pierre in Montreal, CA I can send you a set list for the Tribute but I have mis-placed your address. I owe everyone J-cards for the Tribute cassette too. Also being mailed out today- Stuff for Brian Gross, Sue Cameron, Juliana Neitzke (the mad repetitious poster), Plate Steels Inc., & Sue Nielsen. Coming next month- Tape Tree #2 for Clive Sax in East Sussex, UK. Hang in there Clive! I have to shut down duplication for moving. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:06:31 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair. But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on art, jazz, and her own magnificence, this very if briefly great singer-songwriter proves herself a major interpretive singer. Lucky to write two decent songs a decade now, she instead applies her smoked contralto to a knowledgeable selection of superb material by mostly second-echelon Tin Pan Alley craftsmen (and I do mean men). Splitting the difference between pop and jazz like the Chairman himself, she doesn't transform the melodies so much as texture them, and on a few highlightson "Comes Love" and "You've Changed," on "When love congeals/It soon reveals/The faint aroma of performing seals"she bores so deep into the words you'd think she'd written them herself back when she had something to say. But no, that's "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now" both of which, you can bet the mortgage, she makes sure belong. A MINUS Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:31:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Off to Nawlins NJC The plane leaves in 2 hours- headed for Joni-fest! Can't wait to meet everyone, but I'm un.sub.bing while I'm gone. The thought of 825 emails in by inbox when I get home is too overwhelming. Yall play nice and don't talk about anything too interesting while I'm gone. Luv, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:45:24 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Back On List (NJC) I had left the "real time" list and gone to digest...but I just couldn't *take* it anymore, so just went back to the "real time" list again. :-) So...somebody write something. :-) "Boston Jim" NP: Black Sabbath, "War Pigs" (just kidding!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:57:15 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: A Question Okay...*I'll* write something. On DED, Joni sings a duet with Michael McDonald. On the next album, CMIARS, there are duets a-plenty. My question is...did Joni begin a "Duets" album, a la Sinatra, and then decide to ditch it, with some of the tracks finding their way onto the two albums I mentioned? "Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:53:04 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: new listers NJC <> Welcome, Lilly - thanks for coming out of hiding! Now that's a good way for a husband to get all the TV time he wants..."Honey, look, a Joni Mitchell website!" :~D Now you have to work on that shyness, Lilly... Bob NP: Buddy Guy, "She's a Superstar" (could this be about Joni? :-D) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:17:21 -0300 From: "intagliata" Subject: Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0021/christgau.shtml Published May 24 - 30, 2000 CONSUMER GUIDE BY ROBERT CHRISTGAU Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now Reprise My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair. But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on art, jazz, and her own magnificence, this very if briefly great singer-songwriter proves herself a major interpretive singer. Lucky to write two decent songs a decade now, she instead applies her smoked contralto to a knowledgeable selection of superb material by mostly second-echelon Tin Pan Alley craftsmen (and I do mean men). Splitting the difference between pop and jazz like the Chairman himself, she doesn't transform the melodies so much as texture them, and on a few highlights-on "Comes Love" and "You've Changed," on "When love congeals/It soon reveals/The faint aroma of performing seals"-she bores so deep into the words you'd think she'd written them herself back when she had something to say. But no, that's "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now"-both of which, you can bet the mortgage, she makes sure belong. A MINUS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:15:38 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #281 Have any of you ever thought about the fact that JM is 56 and it is a known fact that we all get those "bad memory moments" after a certain age. It is a biological fact and even icons age. So get over the fact she used a sheet to read the lyrics. I am 52 and am seeing her in Boston on Sunday. I have bought everything since her first album. One interesting note-when I mention that I am going to see her people my age barely remember her or if they do they remember a girl with a guitar. All that music they missed. It is true she has never got the recognition she deserves Glad so many still like her. kardinel@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:19:19 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs I hope this isn't perceived as a "negative" thread. I don't mean it to be. We all agree that Joni is one of the best songwriters of all time (if not *the* best). Still, I'd be interested to know what are other JMDLers least favorite Joni songs, aside from the oft-trashed "Dancing Clown." "Boston Jim" NP (still): Brecker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:30:07 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Tape Tree News- NJC, <> That is indeed a great lead story, Jim - thanks for sharing! Speaking for myself, I can't wait to get it so I can transfer it to the inferior CD...;~) Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Twilight" (from Kink Live 2...thanks Penny, your kind gift lives on!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:07:31 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Zubairi > You know how Joni was signed initially to Reprise in the 60's, then she > moved to Asylum in 72 then she moved to Geffen in 82 then she moved back to > Reprise in 94, why? Aren't these all the same Warner Company or am I just > being a little green? > Reprise was started by Frank Sinatra, who sold it to Warner Bros. Warners also bought up cool lables like Atlantic and Electra and then sold the whole shebang to Kinney Corp, the car parks people in the 1970's That's why Joni and Neil Young records in the 70's had "A Kinney company" written on the label. Asylum was a quasi independent company set up by Roberts (her manager) and Geffen but funded by Atlantic (a Warner Compny). So in reality she was still linked to Warners. I think Geffen Records was a proper indie when it started but Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. How's that for useless information ? > Can't seem to find a website for The South Bank Show (and I even know the > name of the chap who presents it but can't think of it to do a search!). The chap's name is Melvyn Bragg. If this is true, it's exciting news. The South Bank Show does a great job of getting a behind the scenes look at the creative process. The only pop music one in the last series was about Blur and it was quite a revealing programme. Philip np Destiny's Child - Say My Name Who said they don't make great pop records anymore ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:05:52 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice Robert Christgau wrote in The Village Voice >"My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV >special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a >dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves >herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at >her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair." I usually feel a little sorry for people who put their feet so firmly in their mouths, but I allowed myself a good ironic belly laugh over this one. "My favorite Joni story" indeed. Do the VV actually pay him? Am I missing something here? PaulC NP. Electricity - FTR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:24:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show Has anyone read the recently-published biography of Geffen? Is there any significant Joni content? "Boston Jim" >I think Geffen Records was a > proper indie when it started but Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. How's > that for useless information ? > Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: SIQUOMB Since there are a lot of newbies, I thought I would quote the paragraph explaining "SIQUOMB" from my favorite article on Les's site: From Blue to Indigo, found at: I just love this article! "Unlike nearly all aspiring songwriters, the Mitchells put their business together properly at the start. "The one thing I had was my own publishing company," Joni said. "Chuck and I set up two publishing companies. That was at his instigation. That was very insightful." Joni's company was called Siquomb Publishing, and the name came from one of her many writing projects. As she would explain on Philadelphia radio station WMMR in March 1967, she was writing a mythology, the names of its various members derived from acronyms based on descriptive phrases. There were, for instance, a race of miniature women, the Posall ("Perhaps Our Souls Are Little Ladies"), and men, the Mosalm ("Maybe Our Souls Are Little Men"). Siquomb was the queen of the mythology, her name meaning, "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty." Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:30 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs <> Jim, I don't consider this a "negative" thread at all...many times I have expressed how I didn't care for something, only to hear another JMDL'er brilliantly support it, and I can listen to it with new ears...that being said, my least faves are: Tenth World (needs to be about 5 minutes shorter) Tea-Leaf Prophecy (total lack of melody, despite repeated listenings this one plays like teflon, doesn't stick to me at all) Tiger Bones (*I* don't hear anything here that I don't pick up on the version with vocal) Smokin' (could've actually been cool, fun little Flea-like bass signature, but it's thrown away instead of fleshed out) Maybe it'll surprise someone, but I put NOTHING from DED on this list - those songs are great, they just need a little re-tooling as most of them were produced in a way that buried the emotions lying within. Bob NP: David Wilcox, "Spirit Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:31:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Tickets for 5/25 up for grabs! (NJC) From: AMannFann@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:18:47 EDT WOW, I DO TOO. MY LONG TIME PARTNER HAS ENDED OUR RELATIONSHIP , I AM WAY TO DEVESTATED SO MUCH I DONT EVEN LEAVE THE HOUSE.I AM SO DREADING MISSING HER I AM THE #1 FAN FROM THE START... I WILL GIVE SOMEONE MY TICKETS FREE OF CHARGE IF THEY BUY ME A SHIRT OR 2 . YOU HAVE TO COME GET THEM AND THERE WILL BE NO SELLING THEM. HONEST TRUE MANN FANS NEED INQUIRE FREE FREE FREE JUST BY ME ME ME A SHIRT. EVER THINK EVERYTHING AIMEE WRITES ABOUT IS REFLCTIVE IN YOUR LIFE, THAT STUPID THING! E-MAIL ME ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:32:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show >I think Geffen Records was a proper indie when it started but >Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. Yes, it was a proper indie before being sold to MCA. That sale also was one of the transactions that transported Gekko into super-wealth status. Gekko - I love it, Philip - you're so funny. I'm 300 unread emails behind, sleep-deprived and have to be at the airport in an hour and still not packed. Paz, please have the ambulance waiting for me. Also have to answer Boston Jim among other emails. I don't have the "Canadian Pacific" album and don't know if it is the same Urge for Going as on "Folksy" but I'm sure someone else here has the answer. Bye all - see you on the other side. ;-) Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:57:59 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light My S&L disc was one of those issued (I think) ca. 1985, with several omissions, including one of the solo instumental pieces, Black Crow, and Free Man In Paris. I have always wondered why they couldn't include all of this material on the domestic disc, but could on the import. Reuben >From: "cassy" >Reply-To: "cassy" >To: >Subject: Re: Shadows and Light >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:42:17 -0400 > >Alan Says: > > >>>It would appear as though there are two versions of this CD. A single >disc >version, and a double disc version that does include extra tracks such as >"Furry Sings The Blues". I purchased what I believed was the standard >version of this "on-line" about six months ago and received a HDCD copy of >the double disc version.<<< > >I bought an import 2 CD "Shadows and Light" a few years >ago. It has a Japanese spine inserted into the soft plastic >packaging although there is a sticky label which states that >it's "made in Germany" since it's the only CD copy I have of >S&L I compared it to the original 2 album vinyl release in >my collection and it appears to be identical in content. I >have heard there is a single CD S&L and that it doesn't >have all of the songs on it. > >I do have the Warner Brothers S&L Video which was >released in 1989 (taped 1979) does anyone know if this >is the original video release or perhaps a re-release? > >Cassy > >N.P. Ian Moore "Modernday Folklore - Muddy Jesus" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued - --- David Piekarczyk wrote: > Is this list about Joni Mitchell or about how much > of an expert each of you is on her life? Neither, since you ask. This list is about pathology ... which as you are discovering, comes in a great many forms. That we disguise it so cleverly as a Joni Mitchell Discussion List is something a great many never realize -- so congratulations -- you broke the curve! ;-) THISISAJOKETHISISAJOKETHISISAJOKETHISISAJOKETHISISAJOKE Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:55:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: music for a Rainy dayNJC It has been raining here for two months now apart from one weekend where it was hot(80) and dry. The rest of the time it has been cold, wet, windy. So you will need loads of wet weather songs. Joni's Stormy Weather? Carly's It's Raining? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:06:10 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC :Lady of Duality Fued Oh, you're out there today, Don. Now see the nice nurse. It's time for your BLUE pill. Lamadoo - ----- Original Message ----- > --- David Piekarczyk wrote: > > > Is this list about Joni Mitchell or about how much > > of an expert each of you is on her life? Don wrote: > Neither, since you ask. This list is about pathology ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:17:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Craig Harris (NJC) Craig Harris wrote: >I just wanted to surface to say "Hi" to all my kindred spirits here. >I've been so terribly unavailable for most things in my life that I >really needed to let everyone know I sit and read all your posts between >gigs. Nice to know you're still around, Craig! Join some of the SoCal gatherings when you get the chance - it'd be good to see you again! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:24:36 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Seeing Joni on May 23 > I had to laugh at this one, Catgirl, because I was so afraid of a tire > problem I put a brand new set on my car Friday morning before I drove to > Atlanta...Omigod, am I obsessed or what?! :~) > > Bob Having actually seen Bob's car, I can imagine what an agonizing decision this must have been! Heh, Heh, kidding Bob, just kidding, you wouldn't cut me off from my Covers CD's, would you? Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:19 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? I wrote: > Am I missing something here? His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:04:48 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: For New Listers Since we have had quite a few new listers recently I thought it would be a good idea to repost my web page address. On this page you can find such Joni files as Icons, a cursor, midi files and a screen saver. http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:09:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? As you likely know, Christgau has been a music critic with the Voice forever, it seems, and is (or was) highly respected. He must have some axe to grind re Joni...maybe she dissed him at some point and he's never forgiven her. That *was* a remarkably nasty review (of *her*, personally). "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Castle To: jmdl Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? > I wrote: > > > Am I missing something here? > > His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? > > PaulC > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC - --- Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > ...for anyone who thinks > they have an alter personality going here I resemble that remark ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:08:00 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Simon and Garfunkel's > Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme - > I especially love For Emily, Wherever I May Find He Oh yes! And Flowers Never Bend w/ the Rainfall! Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:11:14 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Ok... i remember that during the second half of the show i atlanta , > a man came out and stood stage right , dressed only in shorts and > short-sleeve button down shirt , with a small hand held video camera. > Anyone else see this guy? he stayed there, right behind the last No, I didn't see that guy. I was looking through binoculars the whole time, focused on HER and I noticed nothing else. I would also like to know him and get a copy. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:48:36 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC In a message dated 5/25/00 12:14:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << .for anyone who thinks > they have an alter personality going here I resemble that remark ... Don Rowe >> well now that's right don. i forgot about your particular situation. what are you up to now, five or six different personas? i think in your case, your deviance is your standard. if you were to stop being other people like larry, then that would be an anomoly. and while were on your personalities, ...care to divulge the sexual orientation of some of them? humm? they can't all be str8, can they? and are there any women in the mix? humm? maybe a stevie nicks in the mix? and then on those long winter nights out in the mid west, you might have some odd things to try on? you know, stevie style...long black flowing things? ok ok ok, thread over. p. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:01:06 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: NJC Re: Seeing Joni on May 23 Paul, the guy I *used to* make CD's for, said: <> ROTFLMAO - I'm busted! OK, my car IS a bit of a junker, but it's been paid for since 1994 - yeah, baby! That leaves me lots of extra moolah for CD's! Besides, it's got a kickass 10-disc CD changer with front & rear Memphis Audio speakers, so what do I care what it looks like! :~) And I have to add, Paul, that I received your mailing today - Paul sent me these wonderful mailing labels with my name & address & Joni's picture on them. Very cool, Paul, now I can mail in style! SO those of you who get a package from me in the future, know that my Joni labels were provided by Mr. (respecting my elders here) Paul Pennington! NP: Joni, "You're My Thrill", 05/12/00 ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Ignoring questions and first-posters - NJC - --- Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: "i think in your case, your deviance is your standard. and while were on your personalities ... care to divulge the sexual orientation of some of them? maybe a stevie nicks in the mix? and then on those long winter nights out in the mid west, you might have some odd things to try on? you know, stevie style...long black flowing things?" Look here lover, just because I may occasionally slip into something a little soux gypsy and twirl like a dervish on Kolonopin doesn't mean I'm not a true Warrior Princess at heart! Lindsey was sweet and all, when he wasn't obsessing about this that or the other thing, but give me Christine in that Bolero cutaway jacket anytime ... anyplace! Stevie Nicks Warrior Princess ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice - --- intagliata wrote: > > CONSUMER GUIDE > BY ROBERT CHRISTGAU > > But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on > art, jazz, and her own > magnificence Oh this is too much! Chrstgau's pot is every bit as black as Joni's kettle in THIS department for cryin' out loud! But otherwise, that's high praise from a guy who doesn't think much of the visual impact of the Sistine Chapel. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #282 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?