From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 263 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: PAL Videos (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Joni Dweems (NJC?) [Jason Maloney ] "Joni Mitchell never lies..." [Jason Maloney ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy ["Mark or Travis" ] VideoTree #1 ["Kate Bennett" ] Urge for going.....to W.Palm [MP123A321@aol.com] A Song for Joni NJCV [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Urge for Loyalty [IVPAUL42@aol.com] report from a viola player [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm ["Kakki" ] Tshirts [Seanapper@aol.com] Re: New Lister [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: tape trees and Napster, Audiophile's Corner ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Concord show ["Kakki" ] Intro To Audio Tape Trees, Very Long. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC Re:Napster ["David Piekarczyk" ] Re: report from a viola player NJC [Les Irvin ] writing, input and Aimee Mann [Bounced Message ] Re: Concord show [guitarzan@saber.net] Re: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info ["Kakki" ] napster NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni Numinosity ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni Dweems (NJC?) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:48:59 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: PAL Videos (NJC) > > For those that use PAL format, and don't have the videos of the previous post > I just sent, I have 1 set of Video Tree 1 & 2 left, and 7 copies left of A > Day in the gardenn in PAL format. I would love to recoup my money on this PAL > project. Please e-mail me for details. There are some exciting things in the > future for PAL version listers! > > Hugs, > Ashara Hello, I personally would love a copy of 'A Day In The Garden' but the Aussie dollar is just so low at the moment. I just can't justify the 'extra' costs and I won't be doing any overseas buying for quite awhile :-( I don't know if Ange, John, Gerald or the others feel like me, but I figured I'd wait awhile and see how our dollar goes... Perhaps I can convince my family that it would be a lovely birthday present this year! Vanessa NP: Deb Conway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:55:16 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni Dweems (NJC?) Talking of Joni dreams, I had a weird one last night. My first, as it happens.. :-) Can't remember too much about it, other than she had her hair up kinda funny (rather than gracefully hanging down), and my Mum said to her (when answering the door) "Are YOU really Joni Mitchell? You don't look like the women on those album sleeves".....pointing to a wall-display I had put up with every Joni CD booklet arranged together (no, it doesn't exist in RL!). Stepping up to this display with that faintly amused-but-also-slightly-peeved look on her face, she studies it......before turning to me and saying, "Hell, I didn't look so great with the perm, did I?" ;-) I don't know where this all came from. I wasn't even thinking much about Joni or her music yesterday. I was in fact having a Suzanne Vega kind of day, really..LOL Quizzically, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:01:47 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: "Joni Mitchell never lies..." ...is, of course, taken from the Q-Tip rap during Janet Jackson's BYT-sampling Got Til It's Gone. Nice reference Catherine - impeccable as ever! :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:52:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy > < song". I'm not quite sure what that means >> > > It means there's a line in the song that goes "I had a girl in summertime, > with summer-colored skin".... Hmmm....on my 'Hits' cd she sings 'I had me a *man* in summertime, *he* had summer colored skin/and not another *girl* in town my lover's heart could win' Mark in Seattle still planning on writing a concert report as soon as I can get caught up with email & get my thoughts in order ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:06:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: VideoTree #1 Is it possible to get a copy of this video listed on the JMDL site? Haven't done this before so let me know the ropes. Also would be happy to contribute to the website- who/where do I sent it to? Thanks! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:31:10 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Urge for going.....to W.Palm About UFG.. Kakki wrote: <<....She did finally release it only as a "B" side on the 1972 single "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio." And why don't we ever hear her performing it early Second Fret sets or other performances from the 60s?>> According to an article about her performance at Mariposa '66 - Folk Festival - The Globe 8/20/66 "They came to be entertained; to hear Pete Seeger sing Down By The Riverside with the Staple Singers at the close of a Friday night concert at which Joni Mitchell, a willowy Canadian, painted lyrical pictures of life on the Prairies...... "And I get the urge for goin', when The meadow grass is turnin' brown, and Summer time is fallin' down, and Winter's closin' in." I believe UFG is performed on some early tapes..circa 60's. It is that very 1972 single with non-lp B-side release that started me collecting Joni recordings. Up until Hits and Misses ...I bought every playable copy I could find and gave many of them away to Joni lovers. I had a serious urge to go to W. Palm at 7pm tonite....a little too late..oh well. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:47:32 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: A Song for Joni NJCV Kakki, you have Joni honored in your Georgy Girl bit, "hey there, Joni girl, swinging down the street so fancy free..." But, my dear friend, I think the ultimate "other" song for Joni would be the version of Wild Thing that Jimi Hendrix did at the 1967 Monterey Pop Festival: Joni girl, I think I love you. I wanna know for sure. C'mon and lay a little Hejira on me. Oooohhhh.... I love you. (the Rev) Vince PS Out of respect for SC Bob, I used 'Hejira' instead of "Dancing Clown" in the above dumb post. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:38:35 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for Loyalty In a message dated 5/17/00 4:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << And why don't we ever hear her performing it early Second Fret sets or other performances from the 60s? I don't think there would be as much questioning if not for these curious facts. >> I did hear her perform Urge in a concert in Chicago, either January '72 or the next time I saw her in '73. Cannot recall which, but I do know she opened her second set with it after the intermission. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:51:05 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: report from a viola player A new friend that I have just started working with played viola with the orchestra that backed Joni on Friday at the Greek. He reported to me that they rehearsed for a day and half at the Raleigh film studios in a building the size of an airplane hangar. The violist is from Poland and not that familiar with pop music, but he said he was very impressed with Joni as a jazz singer, particularly her renditions of You're My Thrill and Stormy Weather. He noted that she does not have much range, but that she has great interpretive skills. He said Joni was smoking a lot during rehearsals which was annoying some of the other musicians even though it was a large sound stage. Finally, someone from the studio had to announce over the public address system that smoking was not allowed inside the building. The message was addressed tactfully to all of the other nonsmoking musicians but meant only for Siquomb. He said Joni was very late to the next day's rehearsal -- but traffic was so awful that night that audience members were still filtering into the concert an hour after it was supposed to have started. Otherwise he said that Joni has a very large entourage of men, that she was surrounded by them like workers around the queen bee. He made particular mention of Larry Klein who he seemed to think was the king drone and who was particularly protective of Joni -- everything that merited Joni's attention was filtered through him first. Honey to the bees, baby. The viola player was surprised to find out that Joni confesses to struggling with reading music and could not tell you what key she was in. Of her compositions, he was most impressed by Hejira which seemed very original to him, full of interesting dissonances. He thought Joni gave a good concert and said Vince Mendoza was a brilliant arranger but not his favorite conductor to work with as he is a little laxed at the podium. Reporting Live from Los Angeles for the Joni Mitchell Network, - - Clark NP: Road to You -- Pat Metheny Group ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:47:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm Maurice wrote: > According to an article about her performance at Mariposa '66 - Folk Festival - The Globe 8/20/66 >"They came to be entertained; to hear Pete Seeger sing Down By The Riverside with the Staple >Singers at the close of a Friday night concert at which Joni Mitchell, a willowy Canadian, painted >lyrical pictures of life on the Prairies...... "And I get the urge for goin', when The meadow grass is >turnin' brown, and Summer time is fallin' down, and Winter's closin' in." Thanks, Maurice, Bob and Paul for the Joni "beginning history" lesson. I'm glad to hear she played it fairly regularly in the old days because it is one of my favorites. If I could have a Joni wish, I would wish to be transported back to those early days seeing her just starting out along with Pat Henry and a few lucky others here. > I had a serious urge to go to W. Palm at 7pm tonite....a little too late..oh > well. Hope you make it to Atlanta, Maurice. You cannot miss this show! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:57:28 EDT From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Tshirts Hi Debby. From what I remember at the Concord Pavilion, they sold Tshirts with the cover paintings from Turbulent Indigo, Taming the Tiger, one that had no painting but had a circular design with printing inside that listed the songs from Both Sides Now (sort of like the sticker that was attached to the wrapper on the limited edition of BSN), one with the BSN painting on the front and the back-of-the-head painting on the back (I got that one), and a black one that had the words, "Happiness is the best facelift...Joni Mitchell" printed in white. Neil in Seattle From: "Debby Magill" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:01:59 -0400 Hi guys! As you most of you know, I am not able to go see Joni but Jimmy Stewart (my ticket savior!) has offered to pick up a t-shirt for me but I don't know which one to get since I don't know what they're offering ...! Would someone please send me a brief description of what's available? I would truly appreciate it :~) I have searched the web but came up empty-handed. Thanks in advance! And to all of you going to see Joni in FL, I hope that it is all that you dreamed it would be! Blow a kiss for me! All the best ~ Debby in Mad Beach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:22:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Lister << Needless to say it was amazing for both of us to whisper-croon right along with Joni as we have sung along with records, tapes and CD's for over twenty years now. >> Wow, what a great night for you & your Mom, Emmy! Thanks so much for sharing it and welcome to the list! Bob NP(Now Playing): "At Last" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:47:49 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster, Audiophile's Corner Major props to all on this thread! This is certianly a hot button as Kate pointed out. For clarity, no one has proposed that we put ANY catalog material out in mp3 format. Or any format for that matter! I personally understand that lots of dollars have basically been stolen from artists and record companies, and record outlets, etc with the rise of this new technology. I think we may be on to a noble use for what was basically a bad idea.... Kudos to Ken and our Founder Les for suggesting MusicMatch for making mp3s. I'm reading up tonight! How fun- a completely NEW, time wasting hobby! Like job hunting, moving, and COBOL isn't enough, I have to pick up this. I guess learning Photoshop will have to wait for now....... Sheeesh! Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:46:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy In a message dated 5/17/00 7:04:48 PM US Central Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Hmmm....on my 'Hits' cd she sings 'I had me a *man* in summertime, *he* had summer colored skin/and not another *girl* in town my lover's heart could win' >> Cool, Mark - I didn't know that, I assumed it was the same recording as on the Alternate Blue! And for sure you could sing it as any gender to any gender as far as that goes... Bob NP: "Don't Go To Strangers", imagining how pretty this is gonna sound live... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:56:25 EDT From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #262 It seems that there are a lot of new intros arriving on this list and thats wonderful . I feel that I am an old timer at three weeks. In that short period, I have had some bad karma from PAULIV ( no offense ), a nice welcome from a few (Paul C), support from a few more, (thank you Catherine)and an invite for drinks ( See you the 22nd in NYC Alisone)and I am not as big a fan as all of you. Joni was a huge part of my younger life and when the road gets a little bumpy, she is part of the therapy that smooths things out.So is Nanci Griffith, Dave Matthews, John Prine, Steve Goodman, Iris Dement,Tom Paxton, Sandy Denny, Van Morrison, Judy Collins, Louis Armstrong, Shawn Colvin, YoYoMa, Donovan, Dylan, Sean Tyrell, Eric Clapton,Nina Simone, Annie Lennox, and a myriad of others. Nonetheless, when I get home from work,(where nobody listens to any of this music) I immediately check my e-mail to see what you all have been up to in the past 24 hours. That's my tribute to the page. P.S. The four margaritas at El Charro have helped to loosen the tongue. Good night, Bernie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:59:14 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Yet another Joni mention on Rosie I believe John Stamos is married to a different Rebecca- Rebecca Romaijn Stamos. (SP?) She's the blonde falling forward, out of her red spangled dress at the Tribute. (Not that I'm complaining.) Lamdoo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:01:36 EDT From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Concord show Thanks to all who posted their reviews of the Concord show. Unfortunately I hadn't had the time to read the digests very consistently before the show, so I didn't go to any JMDL get-togethers that might have taken place. I kept my eyes peeled for anyone wearing a JMDL T-shirt, but didn't see any (they were probably hidden beneath jackets, as it was pretty chilly). But I did get to HEAR one list member: "Did you guys hear me holler 'You've Changed' (her outfit) when she came back for the 2nd half of the show??" I DID hear that, RandyRemote! Our seats were excellent: row H, just to the right of center, and NOT under the bird-pooping area. Unlike when I saw her in concert two years ago, this audience was there just for Joni (not for Dylan or Morrison), so pretty much everyone was politely spellbound throughout the show. Joni, of course, was Fab-U-Lous. The concert has been very well described by others, and I don't have anything new to add to it other than a few of my perceptions: The entire evening, at times, seemed dreamlike to me. Throughout the show, fog machines pumped out smoke-like clouds over the back of the stage (I assume it was to invoke impressions of a smoky lounge). But the Concord Pavilion is an open-air venue and it was quite breezy that night, so the smoke clouds rushed and danced around the sides and back of the stage. At one point (I don't remember during which song), the smoke clouds swept up both sides of the stage and swirled down behind Joni. Seeing and hearing Joni brightly lit, swaying in a huge spiraling tunnel of smoke, I suddenly felt like I was on drugs (good ones, but I had only had a glass of wine). At intermission I went up to the concessions area and met someone who said he met Joni back in the 60s before she began recording. He was a waiter at the time and recalled her wearing an orange miniskirt and black stockings. What also was dreamlike was the trip back to SF. On the shuttle back to the BART station I listened to snippets of conversation between the other riders. Hearing Joni lyrics quoted here, Joni history lessons there, Joni this, Joni that, throughout the bus was the oddest experience! It was a very enjoyable weekend: good friends, one of my favorite cities, and, of course, the Goddess. It doesn't get any better than that! Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:10:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm In a message dated 5/17/00 7:59:48 PM US Central Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << If I could have a Joni wish, I would wish to be transported back to those early days seeing her just starting out along with Pat Henry and a few lucky others here. >> Forget about the covers, our next JMDL project should be a TIME MACHINE!! :-) Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching her get started? What would we tell her? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:09:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy Bob wrote: > Cool, Mark - I didn't know that, I assumed it was the same >recording as on the Alternate Blue! And for sure you could >sing it as any gender to any gender as far as that goes... On my version of Alternate Blue, she sings "had me a man". Also checked my complete Second Frets and it is "had a man". However, Joni's recording on the Alternate Blue sounds different than the version on "Hits". I long ago lost my "Hits" liner notes but I recall there was some history of the recording there. My "Hits" cassette is buried in my car but maybe I'll dig it out and listen to see if the Alternate Blue UFG is a alternate take, so to speak. I'm sure Maurice knows! Kakki NP: TNT Joni Tribute - Help Me (Oh my.. this IS an incredible recording - thanks to Scott and Steve Polifka and, I assume, our Chairman of DATs ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:20:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Concord show Neil wrote: >The entire evening, at times, seemed dreamlike to me. It was exactly like that for me, too! > On the shuttle back to the BART station I listened to snippets of conversation between the other riders. Hearing Joni lyrics quoted here, Joni history lessons there, Joni > this, Joni that, throughout the bus was the oddest experience! Everywhere I turned at work this week people were coming up to me asking how the show went. My assistant, who I converted 2 years ago, had Blue in the CD player all week, another assistant, who didn't convert until he saw the TNT Tribute, is begging me for tapes, and I learned that a woman in the word processing department has been into Joni since the beginning and speaks of her with reverence (she's begging for tapes, too!). I feel like the new Tape Branch Leader for my law firm! Kakki NP: Tribute - Thompson on Black Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:39:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Intro To Audio Tape Trees, Very Long. Welcome to the world of Audio Tape Trees. At present, I have more than a dozen cassettes available for FREE availablity to any JMDLer. How can anything be FREE in this capitalist world? It's run by "a labor of love" as my friend Ashara always says. You mail blank tapes with return postage and the volunteer JMDLer, in this case me, puts the recording on it. Your postage is used to return the package back to you. No catalog material is ever used. So what IS on the audio tape trees? Rarely circulated performances dating from Joni's coffee house days in 1967. Interviews with Joni. An audiophile treasure from the floor of the Hammerstein Ballroom when the TNT Tribute took place this year. And lots in between. How do you participate? Send an email to me at jlamadoo@one.net and I'll give you my address or the address of another JMDLer branch sponsor. [If you'd like to help make tapes for the new wave of JMDLers, write me.] To see a list of most of the audio Tape Tree material go to: http://216.247.66.89/trading/index.cfm and have a look around! If you would like to "give something back" to the Joni Mitchell Internet Community, consider helping with the operating expenses of www.jmdl.com and www.jonimitchell.com You simply make out a check and send it to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA The audio Tape Trees provide a great way to experience the wonder of Our Lady Of Duality. Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm On Wed, 17 May 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Forget about the covers, our next JMDL project should be a TIME MACHINE!! :-) > > Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching > her get started? What would we tell her? Don't write "Dancin' Clown"! ;) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:49:40 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info I'm sitting here looking at a gorgeous photo of Joni from the Concord concert that Leslie Mixon was kind enough to give me and wondering how on earth I can write anything that will add to the wonderful reports that have already been posted. Leslie gave a fantastic account of the experience we shared. And how can anyone possibly top Scott Price's beautiful descriptions of the LA show? But this concert was such an incredible experience for me that I have to share a few of my impressions. First of all I have to thank Leslie & Steve Mixon. If it hadn't been for Leslie's invitation and offer to get me a ticket, I probably would not have made the trip and I would have missed one of the most amazing events of my life thus far. Leslie and Steve are more than gracious hosts and staying with them in Santa Cruz was at least half the fun. The more I get to know Leslie, the more I feel like I've known her all my life. A warm, funny, down to earth, intelligent & lovely person. A helluva singer, too. She's a gem. Others have already reported the main facts of the concert - set list, Joni's clothes, etc - so I'm not going to do a song by song description. Mostly I want to try & convey some of the impressions and feelings that flooded me during the show. First of all, Joni was radiant. She really seemed to glow as the lights hit her golden hair and the orangey-pink thing she was wearing. Our vantage point from the 7th row was just close enough to see every expression on her face but just far enough away that the lines we have seen appearing on that face in these last few years were completely invisible. Every once in awhile when she would tilt her head back or move in a certain way I could plainly see Joni as she was in the 70s - those fine cheek bones, the golden hair and those incredible eyes. It was as if the years somehow had melted away and the Lady of the Canyon was standing there before us. But what poured out of her was a music and a wisdom far beyond the years of that fresh young woman who first captured our hearts. It seemed as if some kind of force or energy was coming up through the stage and into Joni. It made her body sway, it moved her hands with beautiful expressiveness and it finally emerged from her throat and mouth in a flood of feeling. She was channeling energy & emotion from the very depths of her being and she took my breath away. She somehow became the music. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. It was also obvious that she was loving every minute of it. At one point she said 'Isn't this nice, with the orchestra and everything?' Leslie has already reported that before singing 'Hejira' she spread her arms and joyfully declared 'I feel like I'm flying!' And indeed she was. Soaring. The moment after she had introduced 'You've Changed' and then sang those first two words was priceless. Somebody down in front laughed and Joni just had to giggle. It took her a second or two before she could re-focus. At some point somebody else yelled 'Happy Mother's Day, Joni!' She looked over her shoulder and said thank you. I wish I had thought of it! 'Comes Love' was the best I've heard her do it yet. She really nailed it. So many times during the concert she would bend a note a certain way or punch something so that it went straight to my gut. She really has developed into a great interpreter. I don't agree with reviewers that have said she is copying Billie Holiday but I have to say that seeing her perform last Saturday night must have been something like the experience of seeing Lady. Unfortunately, that is an experience I can only imagine from watching the very few snippets there are of Billie on film. But Joni was digging that deep and singing that well. It tickles me no end that one of my idols is an admirer of another one of my idols! I am so blown away by some of the other reactions to 'A Case of You'. They are so similar to what I felt. Early on in my exploration of Joni's music I got 'Miles of Aisles' and yearned to see this woman perform live. One of my favorite songs from that record is 'A Case of You'. When the orchestra started playing that echo of the dulcimer line in the intro it hit me that I was finally going to see & hear Joni actually perform this song live. I started to choke up and soon the tears were streaming down my face. And I too thought of others who could not be there with us. We had visited Jim Johansen's apartment before driving across the bay and Leslie took me by the street that Wally had lived on. Of all people, Wally should have been at that concert. But I know in my heart that in some way, he was there. And his smile was even bigger than the one he had during the Painting With Words and Music taping. Leslie had logged on earlier in the day and read some of the reviews from L A. She was nice enough not to tell me anything about the set list. So everything that was performed after 'Both Sides Now' was a complete surprise. It just made me hungry for that next album! 'Be Cool' was great! Joni was swinging on that one. I was completely in awe, however, of 'Judgment of the Moon & Stars'. I had kind of expected to hear that one. When Joni was talking in some interview about what might be on the next record, she had mentioned how she was only able to use minimal orchestration on the original. And the very amusing story about Beethoven was a dead giveaway for me. Although I think the original is lovely, especially Joni's impassioned vocal at the end, this fully orchestrated version truly amazed me. The song seemed to fit this treatment so well, as if this is the way she had originally conceived it. It assumed heroic, epic, symphonic proportions and the melody and words fit into the orchestral setting like a hand into a glove. Glorious! I liked the new treatment of 'Hejira' also. I can't describe it as well as some of our more knowledgeable musicians but it definitely had a new feeling to it that I liked. 'For the Roses' is one that I really want to hear the finished version of. As Kakki pointed out, the orchestra's performance was not letter perfect on any of the 'new' songs so I really am anxious to hear the finished product. I'm glad that somebody used the word 'dissonant when describing the sound of this rendition of 'For the Roses'. It was the word I was looking for but couldn't quite come up with. It certainly put an new slant on the song. Instead of hearing it from the perspective of someone whose experience of fame & success in the music business is still relatively new, this version had a weary, almost bluesy sound to it. And Joni's changing 'so much confetti' to 'juveniles & wankers' definitely put a new spin on it! It was great fun to see her perform 'Trouble Man.' Although we stood and clapped & yelled and banged on the seats even after the lights had come up, apparently there was no more music to be had. I for one was hoping it would never end! It was certainly a thrill to get to my seat before the concert started and find the ravishing Mary Grace Valentinson standing there. Chatting with her is always a joy. It was also great to meet Rich Neuwirth and Russell Bowden. More faces to put with the names in our community! And after the concert we also met Kelly & his friend Kent. Of course it was a pleasure and an honor to meet Jim Johansen and his partner Andrew and their delightful friend, Blair. All in all this was definitely a peak experience for me. The Gorge concert in '98 was phenomenal and it was wonderful to see Joni there, playing her guitar and performing more of her own material. But in many ways this concert was so much better. The crowd at the Pavilion were behind her one hundred percent unlike at the Gorge. At the Gorge I had to use all my powers of concentration to focus on Joni and to keep myself from getting up and knocking heads together as people talked, got up & down and generally showed no regard for anybody who had come to see Joni. Also the seats we had Saturday night were excellent (thank you again, my darling Natasha!). And ultimately, for me anyway, what was important about this concert was seeing Joni sing. I know she is a consummate guitarist, pianist and plays a mean dulcimer. But for me, she could be banging on a washtub and playing a kazoo and it wouldn't matter. What matters to me is Joni and the marvelous creations she continues to give us, whether they be accompanied by guitar, piano, enhanced by a V-G8, a synthesizer or a 70 piece orchestra. Seeing her sway and move her hands and sing in such a gloriously expressive manner is something I will never forget. The Florida people are under Joni's spell right now (or they were when I started writing this.) I wish I were with them! All of you who are going to see Joni on the east coast, you are in for a wonderful evening! And to those of you who can't attend, I hope that the descriptions have given you some idea of the magic of this concert and have helped lessen your envy somewhat. I know I would be pea green right now if I had not been able to make the journey to Concord. Siquomb, she is indeed. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:57:25 CDT From: "David Piekarczyk" Subject: NJC Re:Napster Hi: I just wanted to add my two cents on this topic of using Napster as a form of the Tape Trees. I am definitely against. Using the service would be a disservice to artists/musicians everywhere who receive nothing for their musical efforts. I think (and of course I don't know for sure) that this would not be appreciated by Joni, who considers the music industry a "ripoff" anyway. David ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:55:45 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: report from a viola player NJC At 5/17/2000 07:51 PM, CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: >A new friend that I have just started working with played viola with the >orchestra that backed Joni on Friday at the Greek. Clark - I found this post to be one of those rare and fascinating "inside" glimpses. Thanks so much for posting it. Long live the JMDL! Les NP: Mike Marshall "Paz E Alegria No Lar" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:04:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: writing, input and Aimee Mann From: "Kurt Joachim von Behrmann" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:42:24 -0700 May 17, 2000 Hello and thanks for visting www.thestream.com If any of you are interested in writing, and getting a little pocke money, visit their site. I will have more Joni Mitchell content there since she is popular once again. Oh, this maybe of some interest to all of you. Several years ago, Joni Mitchell sited Aimee Mann as being one of the more interesting singer songwriters at the time. It was 1980 when she made that comment, which is high praise coming from Mitchell. At any rate, her CD Bachelor No 2, or The Last Remains of the Dodo is out in strores. On the heels of her oscare performance and the release of Magnolia,which features her songs not only on the soundtrack, but as inspiration for the film itself, Mann's self finananced CD is in record stores nation wide. If you are not familiar with her work, this new CD is great start. It features some of her best work to todate and I think people that like Joni Mitchell will like this album. Aside from being female, blonde and slightly German looking, ( well I think Joni looks German, and yes it is a compliment) there is little they have in common musically or lyrically. What they do share is the ability to write distinctive, interesting challanging songs that are not part of the pop fodder. You won't hear any of that Brittney Spears, Backstreet Boys pop puff here. I have been a fan of Aimee Mann's since the til Tuesday days. Since then, Mann, like Joni Mitchell, has proven that she can hold her own with the guys and in some ways outshine them. So take a listen. It is well worth it. For the record on Urge for Going, I think a guy can sing it with conviction. I even managed Micheal from Mountains and I had a King. Believe it or not, I can still perform those songs in the key they were sung in by Joni Mitchell. But I have to admit it is a strain. Thanks a lot and have fun Favorite Joni Mitchell line "Where some have found their paradise, others just come to harm..." Favrite songs, just for the record Jericho, Two Grey Rooms, Happiness is the Best Facelift, Amelia, Edith and the Kingpen, Sweet Bird, I had a King, MIcheal from Mountains, Cactus Tree, Both Sides Now, the new version, The Last Time I saw Richard, Tin Angel, Willie, The Arrangment, Rainy Night House, Let the Wind Carry Me, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Otis and Marlene, Backstreet, My Secret Place, Dog Eat Dog, Cherokee Louise, Cold Blue Steel, Sunny Sunday, Turbulent Indigo, Harlem In Havana, Man from Mars. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:29:27 -0700 From: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: Concord show Seanapper@aol.com wrote: > But I did get to HEAR one list member: > > "Did you guys hear me holler 'You've Changed' (her outfit) when she came back > for the 2nd half of the show??" > > I DID hear that, RandyRemote! I wish I could take credit, 'cause it made Joni laugh, but it wasn't me. OOOOUUUUUUU!!! was about as articulate as I got. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:41:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info Ah Mark, Thanks - many of us have been waiting to read what we knew would be a beautifully written review from you and, indeed, it was just gorgeous. I find myself reliving the magic so much through it and also David Marine's beautiful report from L.A. I hope both of you will send them over to JM.com - more of the world needs to read reviews like these. Also, thanks to Clark for his "inside the hangar" reporting for the "network" and describing it in his great cinematic style. I'm still giggling at the images of the many Joan drones led by King Drone Klein. Ha! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:17:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Russ wrote: >I'm not suggesting that this distribution method REPLACE tape trees. The >tape may be the best alternative for list members who must pay by the hour >for online time or for those who have slow connections and small hard >drives. But it's a terrific option for other list members who don't have to >wrestle with those issues. I'd be interested to see what more "senior" list >members think. Not to mention those of us that (a) don't even have sound cards, and (b) have no means by which to download MP3's onto tape or CD. My PC is on loan from work, since I do a fair amount of work at home, but it's an old model (the reason they let me have it), and while it certainly serves it's purpose (I'm here!) it's capabilities are fairly limited - and my boss certainly wouldn't rate a sound card and speakers for my home use as high on his list of priorities for the next budget! I could buy my own PC, of course, but to be honest, I don't need all the fancy extras - admittedly sound would be nice, but I can survive without it, that's why I have a stereo! Hell - pretty damn grateful to be here, and who, like Bob, likes getting presents in the mail! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:19:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: napster NJC Please click on the link below and read what many artists have to say about Napster.com. http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/ Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:20:30 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock Brian wrote: >Well, it seems that either: > >Scott's leg was getting pulled by the guy telling a good story >OR >Crosby has burned out enough brain cells that he no longer remembers :-) The Croz also said in a later post: >also ....there were no "latrine trenches" .....they had >Porta-Pottys......remember the guy in the movie which I now remember as well, and pretty much confirms it for me. He was also touring with CSN and would have had trouble getting time off for a sound check. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:24:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock > The Croz also said in a later post: > > >also ....there were no "latrine trenches" .....they had > >Porta-Pottys......remember the guy in the movie This is so cool - I have to get to reading my 2 week backlog of Lee Shore digests. Hell, while we have him online, why don't you ask him about Urge For Going? ;-D I've always wished he would show his face over here sometime, but it's probably more than enough just to keep up with his own list! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:42:57 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Numinosity Nickel Chief wrote: >Amid all the tour hoopla, I wonder if this small question might be answered >alongside all the ecstatic reports: what are the captions in the >speech-balloons on the cover of DJRD? My CD booklet is printed so poorly, >the only one I can read is, "How"! I don't think anyone's answered this yet! From my vinyl copy, the front cover has Joni (as a black man) saying "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", the first inside sleeve has a "back" shot of Joni saying "In My Dweems We Fwy", the second inside sleeve has Joni (as a black man again) saying "Mooslems, Mooooslems, Heh, Heh, Heh", and a "normal" shot of Joni saying "Baila Mi Rumba". The back cover has a photo of Joni (when she was a child) dressed as an Indian, saying "How"! I hope that answers your question! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:13:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm David wrote in response to Bob's question: >> Forget about the covers, our next JMDL project should be a TIME MACHINE!! :-) >> >> Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching >> her get started? What would we tell her? >Don't write "Dancin' Clown"! ;) Wash your mouth out! The following would be far better advice: "Don't leave your guitar in the care of airport luggage handlers" "Have a close look at your Evian bottle in about 20 years" "Beware of housekeepers" "Don't ever, EVER perm your hair" Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:24:45 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Dweems (NJC?) Jason wrote: >Talking of Joni dreams, I had a weird one last night. My first, as it happens.. :-) I had my second Joni dream the other night. I can't remember it very well, but she was playing in a small club. I went up and introduced myself after the show, and said I was from the JMDL. She got very cagey and nervous, and was trying to back away from me. Then I started telling her about a recent discussion of one of her songs (Dreamland, I think) and she suddenly became very animated and said "Oh, I thought you just talked about ME, not my music" and said she would think more highly of us from then on! We went on to have a wonderful conversation about her music, etc. until the bar staff told us it was time to leave. She gave me a big hug and said how great it was to meet a true fan - then gave me her address so I could write to her. And do you think I can remember what it was?! Hell P.S. I had this dream the same night/day as I attended the funeral service of probably the nicest man I've ever met, Dave Crowe. For those of you interested, Dave was the father of Jeff and Martin Crowe, both ex-New Zealand cricketers, and also the uncle of the actor Russell Crowe (who flew in last week to see him, with an advance copy of "Gladiator"). He was the President at my cricket club, and always had time for a chat - I'm really going to miss him. Wherever he is now, he's dressed in his cricket whites, with his dog Zac next to him, with a full pipe and a glass of red wine. And my father's probably next to him (but with a cigarette and a scotch) - and they're talking about cricket. Forever. And ever. And ever! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:34:41 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy Bob Muller (Perception) posted: > It means there's a line in the song that goes "I had a girl in summertime, > with summer-colored skin".... The line only contains "girl" when sung by a man as far as I'm aware. Joni uses the word "man" in this line in any version I've heard. > And in regards to the 'ply the fire with kindling' controversy, I notice in > Travis' version they sing "pile the fire with kindling", which makes a WHOLE > lot more sense to me than 'ply' or 'apply'! Somehow I didn't receive the original post where the "kindling controversy" is first mentioned but I fail to see any controversy at all. To my mind it can only be "I'll ply...." I lived in a small cabin with only a wood cook stove for heat for three years and the line "ply the fire with kindling" brings back oh so vivid memories of trying to bring to life a fire made of not-quite-ready-to-burn wood by inserting pieces of kindling into the smoldering, smoking pile of damp wood. And if the day was cold enough, you know what?, I'd crawl back into bed and pull the blankets up to my chin (or sometimes completely over my head!) All good things Rick ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #263 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?