From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #261 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 261 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Concord...and how!!! (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: mother's day ...njc [catman ] Re: Concord...and how!!! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Hilburn interview [Deb Messling ] Attention Reid & Brenneman ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: New Lister Here [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Hilburn interview ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: New Lister Here ["James L. Leonard" ] RE: Laurie Anderson NJC ["Peg Eves" ] RE: BSN Tour Program ["Peg Eves" ] Where's Wayne? ["Paul Castle" ] NJC Thanks Jim, Steve, Bob and AZEEM ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] tape trees and Napster ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: Happiness is the best facelift ["Ken (slarty)" ] Happiness is the best facelift ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] New voice on the list and request ["Scott Tennell" ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #191 [Michael Bird ] Re: Happiness is the best facelift [catman ] JONI Revolution ["Peg Eves" ] Boone's and Bel-Air (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] RE: Urge for Going Controversy [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Hopefully" (was Re: Joni and the Dalai Lama) (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] RE: Urge for Going Controversy ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Woodstock '69 ? NJC ["Peg Eves" ] RE: Hilburn interview ["Peg Eves" ] Re: "Hopefully" (was Re: Joni and the Dalai Lama) (NJC) ["Bill Dollinger"] joni evokes [Kate ] Re: tape trees and Napster [guitarzan@saber.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:04:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Concord...and how!!! (NJC) > Russ rustytrazom@hotmail.com wrote > > >If Kakki had been there, I probably would > >have just fainted dead away. > > Oh, this is not unusual, Russ. I've heard > Hollywood Boulevard of a Saturday afternoon > is awash with fainting passers-by when she > does her weekly grocery shop! > > PaulC Oh no, they all sing "Hey there Joni girl, walking down the street so fancy free..." Kakki (thinking only some of us 60s generationers will probably get this one, ar, ar ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:15:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: mother's day ...njc > > > please forgive me for baring my soul here.... nothing to forgive > I just > thought you would understand and really get it . I certainly do and I am sure others do to > > > mags > > np: the memory of court and spark and blue > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:59:00 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Concord...and how!!! (NJC) Kakki KakkiB@worldnet.att.net reminding us of our age, wrote >Oh no, they all sing "Hey there Joni girl, >walking down the street so fancy free..." In the UK this was a big hit for Juthith Durham and 'The Seekers', who, with impeccable jmdl synchronicity, are playing a farewell tour here in June, I see. As Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know that." NP. It Ain't Me Babe by Bob Dylan (on BBC morning radio?? Something is happening here!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:46:55 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Hilburn interview I don't think this brief interview has been posted. It appears in today's Miami Herald Online. Old-fashioned love songs By Robert Hilburn Los Angeles Times Published: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 JONI MITCHELL'S latest album, released early this year, is a career vacation of sorts for one of the most acclaimed singer-songwriters of the modern pop eranot that the album is in any way a casual affair. Discouraged by the state of society and the reality of the conglomerate-dominated music business these days, Mitchellwho plays the Concord Pavilion on Saturdaywanted to step back and do something that totally enchanted her. The result, "Both Sides Now" (named for one of her first hits), is a collection of standards woven together ambitiously to reflect on the early glow and final ashes of relationships. The albumfeaturing such vintage tunes as "Stormy Weather," as well as two of her own songswas recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra. The arrangements, by Vince Mendoza, evoke in places the signature sounds of such jazz masters as Duke Ellington and Gil Evans. Some listeners may lament the absence of more Mitchell material, but Mitchell herself is so pleased with working with the orchestra that she is now planning to record an entire album of her own old songs this way. In an interview, Mitchell, 56, speaks about the album, the music business and her own latest relationship. Q Why didn't you want to do an album of new Joni Mitchell songs? A Because my music is drawn from my feelings, and I just didn't want to be a social commentator at this time. I feel these are difficult times, and we all need to develop some type of . . . discipline or soul nourishment or strength to deal with all the problems facing the world, problems that are coming to a head in every department. Even I wouldn't want to hear an album of that stuff right now. I just feel my point of view is too realistic, and reality is too bleak. Q What about the state of pop music these days? A I think it is in a horrible state. I don't even think of it as music anymore but just the "ic" business. It's "icky" because the "muse" has gone out of it. The divinity that it once contained is gone. Q Why? A Part of it is the capitalistic feeding frenzy. Music today is viewed by corporations as simply a sales line that is either going up or down. . . . It's just a graph for shareholders. We don't even know who is at the top anymore of all these corporations. There used to be the chairman, who was as high up in a company as you could go, but now the chairman is just a pissant in the larger corporation. The other thing I notice is that music is being made by committees. I received a lifetime-achievement award recently from Sony, and they played the year's big songs. They were horrible, one after the other. . . . And when people got up to receive the awards, you could see why: There were four to eight people getting up, and sometimes there was a businessman among them. A committee cannot make a work of art. Art is created by one person or two people working in unity. Q So how did you get enthusiasm to make the new record? A I decided to do it after singing "Stormy Weather" at the Don Henley benefit in Los Angeles in 1998. It was liberating just to sing someone else's music. Plus, I wanted to make an album that represented a romantic journey with musical ideas culled from some of the most creative music of the 20th century. Q What about the romantic journey? A It's the one we've all been on. First, you are smittenwhich is the first song, "You're My Thrill," which was a Billie Holiday recording. Then you go through facets of pleading and making concessions along the way. Then the romantic love goes away, and the album ends with "Both Sides Now," which says you don't know love at all. Q The album brings us to the debate over songwriting traditions the pre-World War II tradition, and the more introspective and complex tradition that you and Bob Dylan helped create. How do you rate those traditions? A It's interesting, because "Both Sides Now," which was one of the first songs I wrote, clearly has one foot in each camp . . . old songwriting and new songwriting. The old songs were very symbolic. They used the weather a lot because they were coming out of an agrarian culture. There was a tremendous amount of references to the sky to denote emotion -- "You Are My Sunshine," "Stormy Weather." But there was very little of the intimate soul-scraping of the new tradition. Q Let's go back to the album's theme. What have you learned about romantic love over the years? A Romantic love is a trick of nature, fueled by anxiety and insecurity. The moment the thing is secured, it dissipates. It's a trick of nature to get us to procreate. There are other kinds of love, however, that are more stable. Romantic love goes out. The Sinatra song "I Wish I Were in Love Again" deals with it well. . . . "The quick toboggan when you reach the heights.". . . It's all downhill. But you end up saying, "Oh, I want another hit of it." It's kind of like drug addiction. Q So how about yourselfare you optimistic about lasting relationships? Are you in a relationship? A I have a very good relationship with a man from my hometown. He still lives there. We get together and travel. We are old enough where we are comfortable with a long-distance romance. In our youth, I don't think we could have done it. It's a growing, flowering relationship of nearly seven years. Plus, I have really good friends whom I love. I have cats I love. I have a daughter I love. I have grandchildren I love. These are all different kinds of love, but lasting love. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:47:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Attention Reid & Brenneman Today I'm sending out much belated sets of Tape Tree #3 to Terry Bryant Reid and Michael S. Brenneman. They'll soon be listening to Joni in a coffee house in 1966 and other stuff. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:11:53 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New Lister Here In a message dated 05/16/2000 10:24:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seulbzzaj@aol.com writes: << I've also just joined the list - Joe's post was the first I received. I've been listening to Joni for 30 years, I bought Ladies Of The Canyon when it was first released, and listened to everything she's done since. I listen to all types of music - predominately jazz >> Welcome to the list Scott! I see that you do like Jazz and Blues quite a bit when I noticed your "backwards" email name :~ Enjoy the JMDL, ymmiJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:18:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Hilburn interview Thanks for posting Deb. This guy Robert Hilburn seems to get it. BTW, did she mis-use the word "pissant" or is my dictionary lacking a second meaning? I get "stickler for details" but she used it as "lackey". ?? All the best, Audiophile Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:22:54 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: New Lister Here Good eye, Jimmy!!! (See ya tonight.) Also, welcome to all new newbies...from me, a newbie myself. "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:11 AM Subject: Re: New Lister Here > In a message dated 05/16/2000 10:24:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Seulbzzaj@aol.com writes: > > << I've also just joined the list - Joe's post was the first I received. I've > been listening to Joni for 30 years, I bought Ladies Of The Canyon when it > was first released, and listened to everything she's done since. I listen to > all types of music - predominately jazz >> > > Welcome to the list Scott! I see that you do like Jazz and Blues quite a bit > when I noticed your "backwards" email name :~ > > Enjoy the JMDL, > ymmiJ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:14:55 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Laurie Anderson NJC NO! I haven't seen the Moby Dick show. I can't wait. How about The Roches anyone? Patty Smith? Jane Siberry? Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: Guitarpoint@aol.com [mailto:Guitarpoint@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:21 AM > To: peves@marlboro.edu > Subject: Re: Laurie Anderson NJC > > > Hi there saw your Laurie comment, she is great. I've been > lucky enough > to see her live shows since united states tour. She will be > somebody I will > always follow. Have you seen her recent Moby Dick show? It > played here in > Phila. for a week. I saw the last two nights. Incredible as > always. Take > Care Dave c > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:14:56 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: BSN Tour Program Are the programs all gone? Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:53 PM > To: Sue Cameron; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: BSN Tour Program > > > > To those who have already attended the concerts: > > Much has been written about the programs for the show. >My question is > did you have to purchase the programs or >was there someone handing them > out? > > Hey Sue, > > They are free and were being handed out freely at the Greek. > Several of our > group got stacks of them. (Not me - I was too keyed up to think of it!). > They are really special. > > Looking forward to your and everyone else's concert reports! > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:57:43 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Where's Wayne? Any sign that Wayne Shorter might be joining Joni and her (big) bands on this tour? In the Downbeat Magazine article: > "Wayne and Herbie's contributions are definitely >later 20th century," explained Mitchell, who used >to spend New Year's Eve with Shorter and Hancock >at the now-defunct club Nuclear Nuance playing in >a pick-up band. "I give Wayne total liberty, because >he knows how to join into my music so well. Some pick-up band! Later, talking of her studio vocals for BSN she says, > Basically I was surfin a wave, so I was very alert. > There was a lot of internal movement in these chords. > Every time I sang it, I sang it differently. My parts > weren't written out, so I tried different things. It was > really a thrill. And for us! In another extract, the article says > Having handed the production reins over to Klein > once in the studio (I'm unproducable, hands-on in > the mixes, so I said, "This time you be producer. > I'm going to just come in and sing."). Mitchell > concentrated in making vocal magic. > "Vince and I had been preparing the music for > months, and it was quite emotional for me to hear > them come to life", Klein said. "Her singing was > just amazing. When we did 'A Case of You', which > is entirely her live vocal, the orchestra gave her a > standing ovation, and half of them were weeping. > It was amazing to see an English orchestra get > that emotional." PaulC (with upper lip quivering ever so slightly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:06:37 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: NJC Thanks Jim, Steve, Bob and AZEEM <<(BTW have you burned a copy of the Joni cover on the classic album "The Circle Remains Unbroken" - the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and all of their kith and kin?) >> Julian, My understanding is that one of those acoustic instrumentals of BSN on Disc 3 is from that record. If I'm mistaken, let me know. (Les, you passed these along to me, what sayest thou?) And also many thanks to *you*, Julian, for all the great music AND visual art you've shared with me! What a blessing this group is! For those of you who haven't checked out Julian's cool collages, go back to his original message and check out his website - his work is very unique and beautiful! Bob NP: LaVelle White, "Stop These Teardrops" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:42:45 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Happiness is the best facelift I was just wondering how other people interpret the line, "Happiness is the best facelift." I take it as Joni saying this to her mother sort of "tongue in cheek" because to me it's kind of corny...something our moms would have said to us. Then I just read that it's on a T-shirt at her concerts. Could they have thought of a better Joni quote to use??? Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:00:29 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: tape trees and Napster I was wondering how people feel about trading Joni's tape trees through Napster instead of by mail. If you don't know what Napster is, it's a trading center for Mp3 files. You use a search engine using either 'artist' or 'song' as the search criteria to find all the mp3 files listed by all the other users who are on line at the time. Then you download directly from them. The good points for this is that unlike tapes which lose quality from retaping, mp3s being digital keep there quality.The bad points are you need a pretty big hard drive and you need a pretty fast conection for this to be viable but once you have them on your computer it's pretty easy to transfer them through the output of your sound card to the input of your sound system and a tape deck or if your lucky enough to have a cd burner directly to CD. Now so as not to have every Tom, Dick and Harry downloading our Joni tape tree's we could list them by a code instead of by name. We could set up a web page to list all the different songs off the tape tree's and then give a code for each song, for instance Sex Kills from Tape tree #2 could be called JMDLTT2-2-1. This would be simple enough but would keep everyone else on Napster from finding out the stuff we have since people looking for Joni Mitchell's comercial stuff certainly wouldn't be using JMDL to search for Joni. Any thoughts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:05:48 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Happiness is the best facelift Well I don't thing that Joni intended it as a pun though I sure know that John Lennon did. Happiness is a warm gun. > A penis is a warm gun. I certainly can't see a penis being a facelift. kerry wrote: > I was just wondering how other people interpret the line, "Happiness is the > best facelift." I take it as Joni saying this to her mother sort of "tongue > in cheek" because to me it's kind of corny...something our moms would have > said to us. Then I just read that it's on a T-shirt at her concerts. Could > they have thought of a better Joni quote to use??? > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:20:45 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Happiness is the best facelift <> There's a great bit on one of the California radio interviews where she talks about the stars that are all coming to the age where they're having cosmetic surgery. It's hilarious, she comments about seeing someone's navel at their chin, she gets tickled and laughs in that infectious way of hers... I think she wrote this as a response to her peers getting reconstructive facelifts. And the realization that the way a smile lights up one's face is indeed the best "reconstruction" that one can undergo. Of course, the song itself is about her constant struggle with Myrtle over her disapproval of the way Joni conducts her romantic life. I love the line, "Love takes so much courage, love takes so much shit"...maybe *that* should be the T-shirt slogan - Lord knows, I take a lot of shit for my love of Joni's music... And still to this day, I think of Rickie Lee's post about his daughter Lindsay singing "Happiness is the Best Spaceship"! :~) Bob NP: La Bottine Souriante, "Le Lys Vert" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:43:31 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster In a message dated 5/17/00 9:04:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slarty@sympatico.ca writes: << I was wondering how people feel about trading Joni's tape trees through Napster instead of by mail. If you don't know what Napster is, it's a trading center for Mp3 files. You use a search engine using either 'artist' or 'song' as the search criteria to find all the mp3 files listed by all the other users who are on line at the time. Then you download directly from them. The good points for this is that unlike tapes which lose quality from retaping, mp3s being digital keep there quality.The bad points are you need a pretty big hard drive and you need a pretty fast conection for this to be viable but once you have them on >> Another bad point is that you would be using what will probably turn out to be an illegal operation that routinely violates copyright laws, though the litigation is still pending. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:54:12 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Let's not get to self righteous. What we do with the tape tree's is really no different and is probably just as illegal. Just take a look at all the commercial songs and covers of Joni tunes on our tape trees. Apart from that, Napster may be forced to close but that's not a given yet and as long as it's up and running it could be another way of transferring our music around amongst ourselves.. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/17/00 9:04:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > slarty@sympatico.ca writes: > > << I was wondering how people feel about trading Joni's tape trees > through Napster instead of by mail. If you don't know what Napster is, > it's a trading center for Mp3 files. You use a search engine using > either 'artist' or 'song' as the search criteria to find all the mp3 > files listed by all the other users who are on line at the time. Then > you download directly from them. The good points for this is that unlike > tapes which lose quality from retaping, mp3s being digital keep there > quality.The bad points are you need a pretty big hard drive and you need > a pretty fast conection for this to be viable but once you have them on >> > > Another bad point is that you would be using what will probably turn out to > be an illegal operation that routinely violates copyright laws, though the > litigation is still pending. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:57:04 -0700 From: "Scott Tennell" Subject: New voice on the list and request Hi, I've only written a few times to the list. However, I really enjoy reading all of the commentary on Joni. Steve, an old friend of mine, introduced me to Joni in the mid-eighties. My first Joni album was For the Roses. Wow! What an amazing artist she is. Then, one by one I aquired the catalog. I was so dissapointed when she was on tour with Bob Dylan and Van. I found out late in the game (two hours after the tickets went on sale) to find that it was sold out. I thought that was my one chance to see her. You can probably imagine how thrilled I was to be waiting in line (with all the NSync fans) for Joni tickets before they went on sale. Now I can breathe easier that I have in fact seen Joni in concert. I'm still floating after seeing Joni's performance at the Concord Pavillion. It was an amazing show. I thought for sure the concert was going to be over after Both Sides Now. I was stunned for what came after. I have to say the twist on Hejira has stuck with me the most. I've read some other views on this and I understand them. At first, I thought, "What is going on with this song?" But the more she sang, the more into it I was. I think she brought some beauty back to that song, some kind of life that it didn't have before. It was more uplifting, more hopeful. Hmm. I wonder what the recorded version will be like. P.S. I recently found the tape trading info on the JMDL website. Would anyone be willing to email me about these tapes, cds, and videos. Without sounding selfish or desperate, I really need these recordings!!!! Please help. Sincerely, Scott :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:10:21 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: New voice on the list and request Scott wrote: << I recently found the tape trading info on the JMDL website. Would anyone be willing to email me about these tapes, cds, and videos. Without sounding selfish or desperate, I really need these recordings!!!! Please help. >> For Scott, and all the rest of the newbies out there: The best thing is to first go to: and read all about tape trees. VIDEOS: So far there are 3 videos that are offered. You can read about videos 1 and 2 on that page. (It only says video 1, but it is both). The 3rd one is A Day in the Garden, her performance at Woodstock, August 15, 1998. The videos are offered for only the cost of tapes and postage, and are offered not to make a penny, but for the love of Joni. So...here are the instructions if you would like all 3: 1. Buy three (highest quality for best results) 2-hour video tapes. 2. Unwrap the plastic, attatch each white label with these words: "A Day in the Garden- 8/15/98," "Video Tree #1," and "Video Tree #2," Please make sure your name is on the label as well. 3. Put this in a PADDED envelope 4. Address THIS envelope to yourself, WITH postage (STAMPS- NOT the white label postage) PLEASE DO NOT SEAL!!!! Put my name and address as the return address. 5. Enclose a slip of paper with your name, e-mail address, and a note saying which videos you are asking for. 6. Place that envelope INSIDE a second envelope, slightly larger than the first. This one does not need to be padded. 7. Address this envelope to me: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 That's it! If you would like to show your appreciation for the time/energy/expense of doing this, you can enclose a check payable to Les Irvin for the JMDL website, and/or a check for Jim Johanson for the Jonimitchell.com website, to help keep them going. This is not at all required for the video, just a little something I am trying to do for them to help keep the websites going, and to show our appreciation for all the wonderful and tireless work they've done. Let me know if you have any questions. :-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:13:27 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: PAL Videos For those that use PAL format, and don't have the videos of the previous post I just sent, I have 1 set of Video Tree 1 & 2 left, and 7 copies left of A Day in the gardenn in PAL format. I would love to recoup my money on this PAL project. Please e-mail me for details. There are some exciting things in the future for PAL version listers! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:31:17 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Barangrill I'm listening to FTR and have always wondered something. Now, I have somebody to ask. :-) Is there a real place named Barangrill, or is that just a pun on Bar and Grill? "Boston Jim" NP: Lesson In Survival ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #191 > Last night I had a dream that the whole art exhibit in Saskatoon was a ruse. We all got there and JM >was in the gallery laughing her crinkled dress off. She told us the whole reason she and the Mendall >cooked up the scheme was because she wants us to be there to hear her perform seven hours of >music from her entire catalogue at the alleged jazz fest. - --What a great dream. It reminds me of a dream I had a while back, that the line from California, "he cooked good omelettes and stews," was written for me. "You make fluffy omelettes and savory stews," she told me, beaming. Just as I was inspired to whip up an omelette for her, the dream ended. [Without wishing to get too dishy, are we to assume that that line was really meant for James Taylor, the red red rogue?] In my dweems we fwy. Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:02:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Happiness is the best facelift I didn't think of it as corny but as true! Happiness from within is certainly better than risking one's life to look 'better' on the outside. As for the t-shirt, well it is a good message. kerry wrote: > I was just wondering how other people interpret the line, "Happiness is the > best facelift." I take it as Joni saying this to her mother sort of "tongue > in cheek" because to me it's kind of corny...something our moms would have > said to us. Then I just read that it's on a T-shirt at her concerts. Could > they have thought of a better Joni quote to use??? > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:06:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster I don't think this will work well. It would work better for those in countries where on line time is not paid for. I use napster occasionally. One has to rely on the fact the the pc you are getting the files from satys on line. Nothing for frustrating than downloading half a song and the person at the other end goes off line! just my thoughts. Ken (slarty) wrote: > I was wondering how people feel about trading Joni's tape trees > through Napster instead of by mail. If you don't know what Napster is, > it's a trading center for Mp3 files. You use a search engine using > either 'artist' or 'song' as the search criteria to find all the mp3 > files listed by all the other users who are on line at the time. Then > you download directly from them. The good points for this is that unlike > tapes which lose quality from retaping, mp3s being digital keep there > quality.The bad points are you need a pretty big hard drive and you need > a pretty fast conection for this to be viable but once you have them on > your computer it's pretty easy to transfer them through the output of > your sound card to the input of your sound system and a tape deck or if > your lucky enough to have a cd burner directly to CD. > Now so as not to have every Tom, Dick and Harry downloading our Joni > tape tree's we could list them by a code instead of by name. We could > set up a web page to list all the different songs off the tape tree's > and then give a code for each song, for instance Sex Kills from Tape > tree #2 could be called JMDLTT2-2-1. This would be simple enough but > would keep everyone else on Napster from finding out the stuff we have > since people looking for Joni Mitchell's comercial stuff certainly > wouldn't be using JMDL to search for Joni. > > Any thoughts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:50:02 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: JONI Revolution Beautiful people. Is this like a revolution or am I imagining things. THIS is power to The People if I ever felt it. This list is like a sky every new poster is another star appearing !! This is after all the New Millenium and Joni - always a crusader - is a force in this Art & Soul revolution. We know - still, that if all people were involved in this kind of giving, empowering exchange there would be no time for "mean street kick ass" . The spirit of Joni's music instills respect, kindness, honesty, reward. No need to "disgrace' or "defend". I'm sorry I write so long, you guys. Long live the Queen !!! Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Muller (Perception) [mailto:bobm@kayaker.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:28 AM > To: 'peves@marlboro.edu' > Subject: RE: BSN Tour > > > "The Case of the Dissolving Address" :~) > > Bob Muller > 309 West Prentiss Ave. > Greenville, SC 29605 > > Thanks, Peg - you rule! > I'll let you know if yours dissolves...right now it appears to be > holding up > fairly well. :~) > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: peves@marlboro.edu [SMTP:peves@marlboro.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:21 PM > > To: Bob Muller (Perception) > > Subject: Re: BSN Tour > > > > Bob, It's Peg from Vermont Can you toss me that address again so > > I can send you the records?seems to have dissolved somehow. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peg > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:11:47 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Boone's and Bel-Air (NJC) The Coyote wrote: >The only reason Ms. Los Angeles and I didn't make you drink it was because >you behaved. The bottle is still in my possession (in the vault) and could >be used as a tonic at our next gathering (Brad's birthday) if you misbehave. Right! It wasn't *me* who knocked the table over! :) Boone's Farm - Threat or promise? And Kakki wrote: > I tell you, some of the amazing realities I've experienced since > joining this list have far exceeded any of my wildest dreams! To which the only possible reply is: Amen, sister! In a nice piece of Joni synchronicity, Sunday's LA Times Travel section had a "weekend getaway" article on....The Hotel Bel-Air! Let's see..."Howard Hughes closed big deals in the dark, clubby bar." Rooms start at $325, suites at $855...the couple in the article only spent $87.59 on dinner..."Humph! Obviously didn't drink any wine" says Michele. Oh yes, Marilyn Monroe spent months living in rooms 133 and 135. Still high from a great weekend! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy - --- Peg Eves wrote: > Hmmmmmm. She's even got it in her book "Joni > Mitchell, The Poems & Lyrics" > ; First page - Urge For Going. That came out in, > what/ '96? I don't wonder > who wrote it. She wrote it. I don't need to hear > that from her. It's not > consistant with who she is to put someone elses > lyrics in her book without > crediting them. I can't doubt it just 'cuz someone > said such a thing. Out > of the question. Of course it's Joni's song. Since Peg brought it up... I was going to just let this one go, but something was simmering in the backrooms of my brain so, now that it has come up again, here you go... Some listers have made the comment that "it's a man's song". I'm not quite sure what that means although, if it means a *man* could sing it (in basso profundo for example), then I say, sure, why the heck not? But on the other hand, women DO get the urge for going too, y'know - I do all the time, and I don't mean to the bathroom. Sometimes I just want to run away, get the hell out of wherever. In fact, I am often thrown into a panic at the thought that I've stayed at the same job for more than 3 years, and I've been married to the same person for 20. A lot of Joni's songs are about travelling, moving on, whether it's from man to man, or town to town. "I'm a wild seed - let the wind carry me". The whole of Hejira. And so on... To me, there's nothing Un-Joni-like about this song at all. Now, maybe you could argue that the music isn't as Joni-ish as some of her other stuff. On the other hand, it is one of her earlier (or earlier as far as most of us are aware) songs, and perhaps the influence of others' song-writing, including the public domain folk songs, was more keenly felt at this time. On the other hand (by now that would be a foot, since I think I've already used up my hands, unless we include that extra one growing out of back of my neck that no one likes to talk about ;) ), I find echoes of some of her other around-the-same-time music in it (or maybe it's the other way 'round) - for example, there are similarities (to me) between its sound and that of "Tin Angel" and a lot of the stuff from Clouds in particular (not so much, IMO, as in STAS). I'm no musicologist so I can't explain it other than "echoes of". It's a Joni song, dammit - Joni has too much integrity to steal from someone else, and she doesn't need to. (Joni Mitchell never lies.) Peace and all that... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:15:28 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: souvenirs from toontown? From: "cassy" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:13:45 -0400 I was wondering if anyone who is attending the art exhibit in toontown would be willing to pick up souvenirs for me? please email me offlist if you are in a position to do this. Thanks Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:20:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Hopefully" (was Re: Joni and the Dalai Lama) (NJC) What seems to be eons ago, I wrote: > > life is too short to get hung up on what is > ultimately not that important. To which, wiseass Bill Dollinger wrote: > Excuse me, but shouldn't it be > "life is too short to get hanged up" Only if it's by the neck until dead, dead, dead! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:22:34 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy <> It means there's a line in the song that goes "I had a girl in summertime, with summer-colored skin".... Likewise, Joni wrote "Winter Lady" which she says was written for a man to sing to a woman, but she liked it so much she sang it herself, at least in her live performances... And in regards to the 'ply the fire with kindling' controversy, I notice in Travis' version they sing "pile the fire with kindling", which makes a WHOLE lot more sense to me than 'ply' or 'apply'! Bob, with the Urge for Going on his lunch break! :~) NP: Count Basie, "Lafayette" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mother's day ...njc - --- pat holden wrote: > I had to work this past Sunday, our Mother's Day > here > in Canada, so my daughter decided that we could > share > the day on Saturday instead. What a great story! So glad you shared it! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:15:52 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: Woodstock '69 ? NJC ymmij, I'm new to The List (that's a good t-shirt, eh) too. Started with Joni in 1968. I wonder what else the JMDLers have in common. For instance, how many were at Woodstock '69? How many are parents, how many are musicians . It was interesting to see what favored artists we had in common. Long live the Queen!! Peg/VT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > FMYFL@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:12 AM > To: Seulbzzaj@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: New Lister Here > > > In a message dated 05/16/2000 10:24:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Seulbzzaj@aol.com writes: > > << I've also just joined the list - Joe's post was the first I > received. I've > been listening to Joni for 30 years, I bought Ladies Of The > Canyon when it > was first released, and listened to everything she's done since. > I listen to > all types of music - predominately jazz >> > > Welcome to the list Scott! I see that you do like Jazz and Blues > quite a bit > when I noticed your "backwards" email name :~ > > Enjoy the JMDL, > ymmiJ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:15:54 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Hilburn interview I love this interview. Thank you for posting it. " a committee can not make a work of art ! ! !" Tell it like it is girlfriend!! Long live the Queen !!! Peg/VT > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Deb > Messling > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:47 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Hilburn interview > > > I don't think this brief interview has been posted. It appears > in today's > Miami Herald Online. > > Old-fashioned love songs > By Robert Hilburn > Los Angeles Times > Published: Wednesday, May 10, > 2000 > JONI MITCHELL'S latest album, released early this year, is a career > vacation of sorts for one of the most acclaimed singer-songwriters of the > modern pop eranot that the album is in any way a casual affair. > Discouraged by the state of society and the reality of the > conglomerate-dominated music business these days, Mitchellwho plays the > Concord Pavilion on Saturdaywanted to step back and do something that > totally enchanted her. > The result, "Both Sides Now" (named for one of her first hits), is a > collection of standards woven together ambitiously to reflect on > the early > glow and final ashes of relationships. The albumfeaturing such vintage > tunes as "Stormy Weather," as well as two of her own songswas > recorded with > the London Symphony Orchestra. The arrangements, by Vince > Mendoza, evoke in > places the signature sounds of such jazz masters as Duke > Ellington and Gil > Evans. > Some listeners may lament the absence of more Mitchell material, but > Mitchell herself is so pleased with working with the orchestra > that she is > now planning to record an entire album of her own old songs this way. > In an interview, Mitchell, 56, speaks about the album, the music business > and her own latest relationship. > Q Why didn't you want to do an album of new Joni Mitchell songs? > A Because my music is drawn from my feelings, and I just didn't > want to be > a social commentator at this time. I feel these are difficult times, and > we all need to develop some type of . . . discipline or soul > nourishment or > strength to deal with all the problems facing the world, problems > that are > coming to a head in every department. Even I wouldn't want to > hear an album > of that stuff right now. I just feel my point of view is too realistic, > and reality is too bleak. > Q What about the state of pop music these days? > A I think it is in a horrible state. I don't even think of it as music > anymore but just the "ic" business. It's "icky" because the "muse" has > gone out of it. The divinity that it once contained is gone. > Q Why? > A Part of it is the capitalistic feeding frenzy. Music today is viewed by > corporations as simply a sales line that is either going up or down. . . > . It's just a graph for shareholders. > We don't even know who is at the top anymore of all these > corporations. There used to be the chairman, who was as high up in a > company as you could go, but now the chairman is just a pissant in the > larger corporation. > The other thing I notice is that music is being made by committees. I > received a lifetime-achievement award recently from Sony, and they played > the year's big songs. They were horrible, one after the other. . . . And > when people got up to receive the awards, you could see why: There were > four to eight people getting up, and sometimes there was a businessman > among them. A committee cannot make a work of art. Art is created by one > person or two people working in unity. > Q So how did you get enthusiasm to make the new record? > A I decided to do it after singing "Stormy Weather" at the Don Henley > benefit in Los Angeles in 1998. It was liberating just to sing someone > else's music. Plus, I wanted to make an album that represented a romantic > journey with musical ideas culled from some of the most creative music of > the 20th century. > Q What about the romantic journey? > A It's the one we've all been on. First, you are smittenwhich is > the first > song, "You're My Thrill," which was a Billie Holiday recording. > Then you go > through facets of pleading and making concessions along the way. > Then the > romantic love goes away, and the album ends with "Both Sides Now," which > says you don't know love at all. > Q The album brings us to the debate over songwriting traditions the > pre-World War II tradition, and the more introspective and complex > tradition that you and Bob Dylan helped create. How do you rate those > traditions? > A It's interesting, because "Both Sides Now," which was one of the first > songs I wrote, clearly has one foot in each camp . . . old > songwriting and > new songwriting. The old songs were very symbolic. They used the > weather a > lot because they were coming out of an agrarian culture. There was a > tremendous amount of references to the sky to denote emotion -- > "You Are My > Sunshine," "Stormy Weather." But there was very little of the intimate > soul-scraping of the new tradition. > Q Let's go back to the album's theme. What have you learned about > romantic > love over the years? > A Romantic love is a trick of nature, fueled by anxiety and > insecurity. The > moment the thing is secured, it dissipates. It's a trick of nature to get > us to procreate. There are other kinds of love, however, that are more > stable. Romantic love goes out. The Sinatra song "I Wish I Were in Love > Again" deals with it well. . . . "The quick toboggan when you reach the > heights.". . . It's all downhill. But you end up saying, "Oh, I want > another hit of it." It's kind of like drug addiction. > Q So how about yourselfare you optimistic about lasting > relationships? Are > you in a relationship? > A I have a very good relationship with a man from my hometown. He still > lives there. We get together and travel. We are old enough where we are > comfortable with a long-distance romance. In our youth, I don't think we > could have done it. It's a growing, flowering relationship of > nearly seven > years. Plus, I have really good friends whom I love. I have cats > I love. I > have a daughter I love. I have grandchildren I love. These are all > different kinds of love, but lasting love. > > > > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~there are only three kinds of people: > those who can count, and those who can't. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:12:43 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: "Hopefully" (was Re: Joni and the Dalai Lama) (NJC) Catherine, I'm sorry if I offended you, I only meant this in the most lighthearted way. I guess you did write this eons ago, but I have been away for such a long time that I have literally thousands of unread messages. I hadn't posted in so long that it was just my way of poking my head back into the room to see what was up. Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Bill Dollinger" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: Re: "Hopefully" (was Re: Joni and the Dalai Lama) (NJC) > What seems to be eons ago, I wrote: > > > > life is too short to get hung up on what is > > ultimately not that important. > > To which, wiseass Bill Dollinger wrote: > > Excuse me, but shouldn't it be > > "life is too short to get hanged up" > > Only if it's by the neck until dead, dead, dead! > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:14:12 -0600 From: Kate Subject: joni evokes Scott: "Her singing is aong the most emotional thing I've ever heard." Hear, Hear! Joni is the only musician I have listened to virtually every day since I was fifteen and bought my first Joni album -- Court and Spark. There is always at least one of Joni's cds on my carousel. I keep an online journal that I update every day, and sometimes when I sit down to write I feel void of anything worth saying. My remedy for that is to put on some Joni, and before I know it I am filled with emotion and a sense of the profundity of life. Not that this always comes through in the journal entries! But her songs - everything about them, from the sophisticated arrangements and harmonies to the intelligent, insightful lyrics and beautiful, original melodies - somehow bring my aliveness to the fore. She's incredible. Kate of the North http://www.connect.ab.ca/~katej/auntkate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:23:54 -0700 From: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster "Ken (slarty)" wrote: > I was wondering how people feel about trading Joni's tape trees > through Napster > The good points for this is that unlike > tapes which lose quality from retaping, mp3s being digital keep there > quality. They keep their quality, which in the case of MP3's is pretty poor to start with. I am certain Napster will be shut down soon, although they say that if forced to, they will start paying licence fees. I don't know how that will work, or if they can survive the millions they will be asked to pay in damages. Downloading a 90 minute selection seems more hassle than sending it in the mail, plus if you download, you will have to either listen to it on your computer or have a way to get it off your computer. The two methods (analog dupe/electronic download) can both coexist though, if people feel it (e.d.) serves a purpose. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #261 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?