From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #254 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Monday, May 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 254 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: More news from L.A. [Tejas4x4@aol.com] Ref: Wally Breese [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Many thanks from NY [Bounced Message ] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-2) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] concert length? ["Eric G. Postel" ] Re: concert length? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: concert length? [Vince Lavieri ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 ["Mike Hicks" ] Talk about weird... [Mark Domyancich ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) [MDESTE1@aol.com] joni concert - and Wally [Anne Sandstrom ] Brian Wilson's Smile (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: concert length? [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Urge for controversy [philipf@tinet.ie] California Dreamin [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Favorite Careers - njc - Ashara's [philipf@tinet.ie] life measured in joni songs...richard's review [pat holden ] Please!! Help me!! [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) ["James L. Leonard" ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Re: Please!! Help me!! [catman ] NJC You poor things... [catman ] Re: joni concert - and Wally ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] L.A. Concert Report [Lindsay Moon ] Fwd: Please!! Help me!! :) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [FMYFL@aol.com] toontown in june [Kate ] Re: Please!! Help me!! :) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] The lithos [Randy Remote ] Re: The lithos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Concord Show [Randy Remote ] Re: The lithos [Randy Remote ] Re: Concord Show [CaTGirl627@aol.com] More on the Concord show [MGVal@aol.com] L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com ["Kakki" Subject: Many thanks from NY From: "Frederick Freeman" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:10:03 -0000 Thank you to all of you on the west coast for the report. I am so excited for "ACT II" in NY on the 22nd. Hejira is one of my favorites, and "Trouble Man" was one of the highlights of Painting with Words and Music. I'm not too familiar with the songs from FTR. I'll have to do my homework before the show. I was thinking she might change things up for later shows, though. I do hope I get to hear "Hejira". Question. Did she play guitar on Hejira? If not, who did the opening riff, the orchestra? I can't imagine it without a guitar in the begining. Maybe pizzicato? I'm still hoping she adds something from HOSL like "Dont Interupt the Sorrow", or Court and Spark "Down to You" would be perfect with an orchestra. By the way, how does one get a copy of the HOSL demos. I'd love to hear them. My favorite album changes periodically, but right now it's HOSL. Counting the days to 5/22 NP: National Public Radio Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:56:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-2) In a message dated 5/14/00 12:28:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Appearances at free concerts in the park or anywhere else I have not found. Woodstock anyone ? nope. Monterrey ? nope. Leaders at anti-war rallies, protests against any of the popular causes ? havent found any. >> The Beach Boys did perform at least a couple of concerts with the Grateful Dead in the summer of '73. While I would not say the Beach Boys were a singular leader in the breakthrough music of the late '60s, "Pet Sounds" was widely acclaimed, even by the Beatles, and it can be safely said that th Beach Boys were a part of the changing tide in music in the late '60s, even if they were not at Woodstock or other such festivals. I don't think that would be an accurate criteria to base such a judgment. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:45:44 -0500 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: concert length? Thanks for all the reviews. Not counting the intermissions, about how long is Joni onstage total? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:27:26 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: concert length? In a message dated 5/14/00 3:08:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ericpostel@compuserve.com writes: << about how long is Joni onstage total? >> I believe she's about 5' 5" :~) I'm sorry Eric, just in a goofy mood today! Your question is a good one, and hopefully some of the west coast JMDLer's will answer it sans a smartass comment like I just made. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:59:23 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: concert length? Jimmy, my reply was going to be, 'not enough.' :-) (the Rev) Vince NP: Covers, again! FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/00 3:08:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ericpostel@compuserve.com writes: > > << about how long is Joni onstage total? >> > > I believe she's about 5' 5" :~) > I'm sorry Eric, just in a goofy mood today! Your question is a good one, and > hopefully some of the west coast JMDLer's will answer it sans a smartass > comment like I just made. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:17:50 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:10:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > I think that Joni will perform a nice, long solo acoustic set to open the > show, will take an intermission, and will then return with the orchestra to > perform the BSN album from start to finish. I hope you're right about the accoustic set. I will see her in Atlanta the 19th. Got a table down in the front. I can't wait. This will be my first time ever seeing her live. mike > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:55:53 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Talk about weird... The second I walked into Staples this afternoon "Come In From The Cold" started playing on the speakers! This is the second time I've heard it there. Keep those reports coming! I wish so badly I can see her but I am a poor, wayfaring college student (anyone wishing to send me a tape of any of the shows please do!) :D - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:25:27 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:10:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #249 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Unless Charlie Daniels, Doug Kershaw, or Jon-Luc Ponty are in the orchestra, Just noticed the Kershaw bit. Saw him in college. One of the best shows I ever saw. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:04:59 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) In a message dated 00-05-14 13:12:05 EDT, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I believe "Surfin' USA" (1963) pre-dates Martha and the Vandellas "Dancin' In The Streets." >> It may have predated Dancing in the Streets but it didnt predate "Sweet Little Sixteen" of which surfin USA is pretty much a knock off. They're really rockin is Boston Philadelphia PA Deep in the heart o Texas Around the Frisco bay all over manhattan and down the carribean all the cats wanna dance with sweet little sixteen Now if Surfin USA didnt duplicate everything about this song then I give up./ After this the question is not whether Brian Wilson was a tallent or even groundbreaking etc. he was. the fact that as the sixties got going Brian went tube city assurredly crippled his chances to make contributions. But the fact is the sixties were mainly political music wise. they were also cutting edge in terms of concerts and multi media presentations. The Beach Boys were missing all those elements. As all kinds of other bands from the san Francisco sound group (The Dead, Airplane, Quyicksilver, Country Joe, Santana, etc etc etc produced album after album Brian was suffering in his own world. had he been around maybe he would have been among the leaders of the whole thing. But history cant be rewritten. That is all I have said. Im not anti-beachboy. Im a realist. That doesnt necessarily diminish his career. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:02:07 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: joni concert - and Wally Jamie wrote: > Just a shortie to thank everyone for sending the reports over from California. I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous of you guys. It sounds like a gig to die for! Oh, I promised I wouldn't whine through the surgery or the lost/found cat or the chemo or anything, but WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I wanna go! When it comes down to it, I also want to make absolutely sure I'm around for a long,long time. Besides, I'd absolutely disgrace myself during Judgement of the Moon and Stars. Just reading that she did it, I started crying. They'd probably have to have security cart me away. Of all her songs, the emotional impact of hearing that one done with orchestra would be overwhelming. On a slightly different note, I'm so glad everyone is remembering Wally. I can tell you that for me (and based on what I know of his life, for him too), the biggest fear isn't dying, it's being forgotten. This isn't the same road Wally was on, but it's similar enough territory. Any of you who've been through this will likely recognize it too. Again, I'm probably assuming a lot here in thinking I know something of Wally (and please correct me Jim, if you think I'm wrong.) What looks to 'outsiders' like bravery or determination comes down to only one thing - love. One thing I do know - Jim, for Wally to withstand the physical punishment of this disease for so long, he had to have an an unending, unquestioning, unwavering source of love, you. All my best to you, Jim. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:18:00 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Brian Wilson's Smile (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBDC8.5B1561A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After getting all up in arms about the significance of Brian Wilson's contributions to the '60s earlier today, and going on and on about Brian's unfinished masterpiece, to have been known as Smile, I did a little "surfing" and found a GREAT website devoted to the non-album. It's ALOT of fun to navigate this site (please check it out, if only for that) and it gives a complete (honest) history of the sessions for the album, music clips, and much more. If you've got a little time to look it over, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. http://www.angelfire.com/mn/smileshop/start.html "Boston Jim" NP: The Beach Boys, Good Vibrations Box Set, Disc 2 (Smile material) - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBDC8.5B1561A0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Shockwave.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Shockwave.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.angelfire.com/mn/smileshop/start.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.angelfire.com/mn/smileshop/start.html Modified=C0C9742002BEBF019D - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBDC8.5B1561A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:37:18 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: concert length? In a message dated 5/14/00 12:08:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ericpostel@compuserve.com writes: << Thanks for all the reviews. Not counting the intermissions, about how long is Joni onstage total? >> She performed for under 90 minutes, I believe. Although I thought that she was fabulous, I did have problems with short show but then I was spoiled by the lengthy recent CSNY concert and my years of going to Dead shows. MG - still humming ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:50:56 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Urge for controversy Pat wrote: >Urge was one of the songs Joni taught me herself and one >which I played for years as part of my own sets. Thanks for putting this to bed, Pat. It's always fascinating to hear from you about pre fame Joni. Hope no one minded my flippant attempts at humour during this thread. The hot weather here for the past week has made me a bit giddy. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:51:58 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: California Dreamin Thanks for all the concert reports that everyone has sent in. They are a joy to read. If Joni is having such fun with this tour, maybe she will come to Europe as well. Here's hoping...... much Joni Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:54:17 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Favorite Careers - njc - Ashara's PaulC wrote > I saw them a while back at London's Fleadh (pronounced > 'Flar', I believe - Philip?). Try Flaah. > her take on Iris Dement's > 'Our Town', sung in her broad Barnsley Yorkshire accent, > gets to me every time! Me too. . Kate makes "Our Town" her own. > >4) Clannad- an Irish band featuring the Brennan family -- > >Maire Brennan.... > Apparently pronounced Moya (Philip will know). Yes in Donegal they say Moya. I just had a deep thought.... If the McGee's didn't emigrate from Donegal, Joni and Maire could have formed a band. I saw the lovely Maire on the irish language tv channel recently. She was giving a cooking demonstration on how you can make a lovely meal from seaweed and the things you find in shells on the beach. No thanks Maire or Moya, I'm not really hungry right now... Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:56:40 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: life measured in joni songs...richard's review richard goldman wrote: <> Richard, Ive heard you say this before...that your life could be measured in Joni songs. And as I said, ditto; I just HAD to throw in a "me too" here. It is so true. I may not have seen Joni perform A Case of You Live, but I sure do cry when I hear it on the BSN CD. It is so beautiful, endearing touching....everything you've said. And like you, I especially love A Case of You for the people close to me that it brings to mind. Thanks so much for sharing. OH yea, and I throw in a 'me too' with Colin and say you do look a lot younger than your years. :) Special thanks to everyone else for sharing such intimate details about the concerts, I know I wont be seeing her this time, but I feel as if I have. I can well imagine all of it! I find it fascinating to see and feel the excitement, love, tears....all the different views and feelings. As many of us have reiterated...this list is fantastic for many reasons. Our Joni community reaches out above and beyond; I love that. Thank you Les for giving us all a special place to share and to just let it all out. Special thanks to WallyB, I know I never met him cyberly or otherwise, but I feel like I did...and I also feel that his spirit lives on in each and every one of us. While Im into my own little gush mode here....a very warm welcome to all the new comers....it is true, just because i sometimes neglect to send out a special welcome or note, it doesnt mean i havent noticed...it means that my life is moving way too fast/crazy. Anyway, enjoy this wonderful group :)))) Mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:18:54 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) Brian Wilson has always credited Chuck Berry for the music to "Surfin' USA" (and shared royalties with him). I should have mentioned that in my earlier post. (A Debate Team tactic, I suppose..."only address that which the opposing team has put forth.) :-) "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) > In a message dated 00-05-14 13:12:05 EDT, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << I believe "Surfin' USA" (1963) pre-dates Martha and the Vandellas "Dancin' > In The Streets." >> > > It may have predated Dancing in the Streets but it didnt predate "Sweet > Little Sixteen" of which surfin USA is pretty much a knock off. > > They're really rockin is Boston > Philadelphia PA > Deep in the heart o Texas > Around the Frisco bay > all over manhattan > and down the carribean > > all the cats wanna dance with > sweet little sixteen > > Now if Surfin USA didnt duplicate everything about this song then I give up./ > > After this the question is not whether Brian Wilson was a tallent or even > groundbreaking etc. he was. the fact that as the sixties got going Brian went > tube city assurredly crippled his chances to make contributions. But the fact > is the sixties were mainly political music wise. they were also cutting edge > in terms of concerts and multi media presentations. The Beach Boys were > missing all those elements. > As all kinds of other bands from the san Francisco sound group (The Dead, > Airplane, Quyicksilver, Country Joe, Santana, etc etc etc produced album > after album Brian was suffering in his own world. had he been around maybe > he would have been among the leaders of the whole thing. But history cant be > rewritten. That is all I have said. Im not anti-beachboy. Im a realist. That > doesnt necessarily diminish his career. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:36:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! :) Hi Juliana, Yes, the TNT Tribute to Joni Mitchell will be available, free, on video tape with the stereo tracks intact. This means that if you have a nice home theater system, the music will come through the front two channels in stereo! You are going to have to be patient if you choose to wait for the next installment of the official JMDL video tape tree though. It's being compiled by Santa's elves in their off-season but should be available soon. In the mean time, if you'd like a copy of the Tribute on cassette, send me an email and I can fix you up, free. What could be better? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:53:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! I think it is safe to assume that this person would really like a tape of that show. Ju Neitzke e Lea wrote: > Hello, > I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it > showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni > Mitchell". > I was so sad when I knew it. > Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this > event. > This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? > I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so > much, > Juliana Neitzke. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - and unlike his passengers who were screaming in terror and hanging onto their seats!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:01:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC You poor things... ....must be getting bored with al,k this concert talk by now so i thought I would tell you what a thrilling weekend we had. First of all the weather has gone from cold to in the 80's overnight. My brand new pc blew up this morning. Or rather the monitor did. It went pop pop pop and died. So i can't use it(this monitor won't go on it) till it is replced. ALL my imoprtant stuff is on the other one-like the stuff to make and print the UKJMDL gathering cd's. I bathed and grromed dogs. Oh and hoovered the lawn and did a load of laundry. So I pity you people really, you could have had the weekend i had but instead you had suffer thru those concerts. What a shame. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:05:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: joni concert - and Wally Anne, Did you notice Kakki's brief mention that the JMDL community uhh..... acquired...... some superlative tapes of the LA show? That means that you'll hear the LA version of "Judgement of the Moon and Stars" very shortly. I guarantee that. The folks who uhmmm..... acquire these tapes are not a vocal bunch (stunning understatement) but they are tenacious and dedicated and love Joni. Stay tuned Anne. BTW, I'm working on your "HOSL Demos" tape. I'll have it in the mail Monday but the artwork will take longer. Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:55:56 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com I am curious if anyone had read the postings Jim has on the website about other reactions to the LA concert and your reactions. Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be the stuff a long thread is made of! I didn't recogize any of the posters as JMDL gang members. Could be wrong about that, still being a newbie. Happy Sunday....the close to a fun weekend. I was sure when I woke this AM I needed a cane, iron lung, and someone to pray over me. These LA folks know how to party, and I even skipped the second half of last night's session which I understand ended only when the Sunday LA Times was plopped on Kakki's stoop! (BTW, one of my cardinal rules: Always be home before the morning paper is delivered! No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:40:05 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: L.A. Concert Report Well, so sorry to take so long to come through with a report! My life other than Joni precluded my speedy reportage. Drove up to L.A. in horrendous traffic (took me 4 hours -- a trip that usually takes about 2 1/2). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:48:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Fwd: Please!! Help me!! :) if there's anyone out there who has the tape and the duplicataing capability, can you please help this poor soul??? ...and, while you're at it, could you also please help *this* poor soul as well? (me) pat - --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:12:43 From: Ju Neitzke e Lea To: philipf@tinet.ie, "P. Henry" Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:25:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com Coyote writes: << I am curious if anyone had read the postings Jim has on the website about other reactions to the LA concert and your reactions. Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be the stuff a long thread is made of! >> Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't think this person is from the JMDL. He/She didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think this person knew what this concert was all about! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:55:07 -0600 From: Kate Subject: toontown in june Would everyone attending the Mendel opening consider wearing a nametag identifying themselves as a JMDL member? You'll know me -- I'll be the one accompanying the kid on silver crutches -- but how will I know you? It sounds like a good number of us will be going; we should agree to meet somewhere afterward. I wonder where Joni will be going. My son, Emil, said "I'm going to meet Joni, and then afterward we'll go to her house and get to know each other." Ever so matter-of -factly. I have been enjoying your posts about the concert the other night. It sounds like a wonderful way to experience Joni. I saw her at the Edmonton Folkfest some six years back, but couldn't really enjoy it as much as I wished because people kept walking in front of me and this one woman stood right up in front of the stage with her kid on her hip, blocking out many people's view, and two women not far from me kept hollering at her to sit down, and the exchange between the three of them got distressingly rude -- I was insulted for Joni's sake, thought if these people were such great fans of hers they should have had more respect for her than that, and all three of them should have shut the hell up, and the one in front should have shown some consideration and gotten herself out of the way, and I really wished the security people would have done their job better and removed her themselves. If *I* ran the world ...!!! I'd love to see her -- in assigned seating!! Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:49:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! :) Hi Juliana, I can see from your persist requests that you love Joni. So do we all. I just bought a second VCR to help out with duplicating the Tribute show. It will be distributed free but it hasn't been mastered yet. I can't duplicate it for you today but I WILL make one for you. Gentle music lover, please stop posting this request hourly. I'm glad you're share the enthusiasm of the group. You don't know me but I will not let you down. You're going to have to trust me and find placid waters, a quiet still place to wait. Try listening to For The Roses. There is no signup list today for the next Video Tree but I will take special care of you- I'll make sure, damn sure, that you get a copy of the Tribute along with what ever Joni appearances on TV will fit. Okay? Won't you post a message about how you discovered Joni.... while you're listening to "For The Roses"..... and waiting patiently? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:01:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: The lithos READ THIS IF YOU PLAN TO BUY LITHOS After fighting a hurrendous 10 mile long traffic jam, my wife and I arrived at the Concord Pavillion shortly before 8PM. The t-shirt booth was jammed, 30-40 people trying to buy and only 2 attendants. I happily noticed they had signed lithos for $100, but after waiting in line awhile, decided I would sneak back quickly during the concert and grab one. Oops. They only had 35 signed lithos in Concord, and the last one was being rolled up and sold as I approached. So I bought a shirt.... Anyway, the moral of this story, jmdlers, is, if they have signed lithos, and you want one, don't wait. I ended up finding my seat at 8PM and sitting there while the show didn't start 'til 8:30. What I should have done, I realized later, was to find the 2nd t-shirt booth, which was further away from the entrance. Unsigned lithos (essentially $50 posters, sorry) were of 4 of Joni's works 1. Cover art of BSN (without lettering) 2. Rear cover of BSN (ie the back of her head) 3. Yellow roses still life 4. Joni and whassisname tonqueing The only signed litho I actually saw was the BSN cover, and I suspect that was the only type available. I don't know if they were numbered/limited editions. They were sold, as far as I could tell, without any sort of protective packaging, I would advise you to bring a 24" cardboard mailing tube to keep it from damage. A few impressions of the concert will follow... Luv, RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:14:40 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The lithos In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:02:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << The only signed litho I actually saw was the BSN cover, and I suspect that was the only type available. I don't know if they were numbered/limited editions. They were sold, as far as I could tell, without any sort of protective packaging, I would advise you to bring a 24" cardboard mailing tube to keep it from damage. >> Thanks for the heads up on the lithos. I was planning on buying mine early and then put it in the car. That is IF I can leave and come back in again. The idea of a shipping tube is very smart thinking. I have a few lying around so will do that as well. What do the T-shirts look like and how many styles were there? Catgirl getting very excited!! WHOO-HOOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:40:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Concord Show As you have figured out by now, the show was wonderful. Joni was relaxed and in fine voice, and made humorous, generally short comments to preface each song. The audience in Concord was enthusiastic and supportive, and were very much enjoying themselves, and Joni was picking up on the energy. The five minute or so orchestral piece preceeding her appearance on stage was nice enough, but I think that an instumental rendition of one of her songs would have been a better choice. When Joni hit the stage, the audience gave her the first of several standing ovations, with sustained applause and cheers. I must say that her long crinkled coat appeared to be of the same material as kd lang's pants, and it looked like someone had taken a paint roller and gone over it in gold paint. Another standing ovation followed ACOY and prompted Joni to comment that 'I guess it brings you to your feet too', or something close to that. One thing I had not really thought about, but became aware of immediately, was that, unless you were in the first 20 rows, the sound you heard of the orchestra was totally from the loudspeakers, and while the sound system was first rate, it did give it an electronic sounding edge, and made me wish once again that they had booked this show in Davies Hall or someplace similar, that is set up for symphonies. The two double basses, for instance, were very 'up' in the mix, which sounded great but a tad unnatural at the same time. Another thing that has not been mentioned was the difference in crowd response to the standards as opposed to Joni's own compostions. While all the music was well received and applauded, the originals were greeted with 10 times more enthusiasm, and for my money, were 10 times better. So, I will say this: the BSN album was just a warm up for what's to come! My only slight reservation was for Hejira. This is a wonderful song with, I feel, a very mystical vibe to it. I've seen Joni perform it a few times before. Klein's absolutely gorgeous bass playing notwithstanding, trying to fit a steady swinging beat to this song didn't really work that well. I thought. The other originals were mind blowing, and Joni's compositions and lyrics blow those standards out of the water! After the Marvin Gaye song, the lights went up, and the crowd, on it's feet, shouted, clapped, and stomped for a solid five minutes. They wanted more. But hey, this kind of a band can't wing it. When you're done, there ain't no more. The orchestra remained seated, making us all wonder if maybe there would be an encore. Finally, conductor Vince Mendoza reappeared, motioned for the orchestra to stand up and take another bow, then took the first violinist (another of the musical directors, forgot his name), by the hand and led him out, to let everyone know that was a wrap. Beautiful, and we had the pleasure on Sunday of viewing a rare showing of Magritte's paintings at the SF museum of modern art, which runs to Sept 5. It was as moving as the concert (heresy!)and I recommend it highly if you are going to be in SF. My Joni synchronicity moment: on the way to the concert, stopped by a liquor barn to stock up on a couple bottles of red wine. The guy in line before me was only buying a bag of ice. The cashier looked at him and asked "Just ice?" RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:47:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The lithos The t shirts ($27) are very nice, short sleeve. The Turbulent Indigo cover Van Gogh, which I am modeling right now, is a rich dark teal. To the best of my recollection, the Taming the Tiger was a dark green and the BSN brown. I think. Nice heavy fabric, which came in handy at the frigid pavillion. RR CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the heads up on the lithos. I was planning on buying mine early > and then put it in the car. That is IF I can leave and come back in again. > The idea of a shipping tube is very smart thinking. I have a few lying > around so will do that as well. What do the T-shirts look like and how many > styles were there? > Catgirl getting very excited!! WHOO-HOOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:50:04 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Concord Show In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << My Joni synchronicity moment: on the way to the concert, stopped by a liquor barn to stock up on a couple bottles of red wine. The guy in line before me was only buying a bag of ice. The cashier looked at him and asked "Just ice?" RR >> How adorable!! Oh..nad thanks for the great post! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:25:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: More on the Concord show I gave myself plenty of time to get to the venue what with leaving Davis at noon on Saturday. Actually, I stopped off in Martinez for a long lunch with an old friend and then headed off to the CP. As I waited at the entrance for my friend, Rich, fortified with 3 library books, one concert goer turned to me and told me how excited she was to finally be seeing Joni live. She hadn't heard her new album but loved, loved, loved Joni's work. Hopefully, she said, Joni will do that "Judy Collins song" this evening. "Oh, do you mean "Someday Soon?" I sweetly asked. "No, that other one that she is always singing, you know...bows and flows of angel hair." "Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but that is actually a JM composition." "No way!" "Yep, I'm fairly certain that Joni wrote the song herself." "Really? All these years I never knew that." Another person set straight on what's what. One thing that I regret about the evening was that I procrastinated too long about making a small sign for JMDL members in the audience. I was lucky enough to locate the Mixons and the extremely handsome Mark Scott, but with the except of Russ, (who cleverly wore his JMDL denim shirt), didn't locate a soul. A sign, "JMDL Spoken Here," would have been perfect. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:29:48 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) Well, I got a little heavy-handed with the Send button earlier and only sent about a sentence of this post. New Joni Lore: Overhead a man near me telling someone that Joni had gone to Woodstock two days (Phylliss heard four days from someone else) before the event to do a sound check. Anyone ever heard this? Show me the tape and I'll believe it. Okay. So the traffic was bad. Met up first with Phyliss and Kakki both of whom looked just lovely -- oh, forgot, this is about Joni. And got to meet Scott and Shawn Price and Clark. Great to meet new faces to me. Beautiful orchestral piece to begin (unidentified) with Vince Mendoza conducting. At times to me it almost sounded like something I'd heard from an old movie soundtrack, but couldn't put my finger on it. Wish they'd identified it. Fashion Report: Joni in purple, just-below-knee length dress with cape falling over back which floated in the night breeze and was very pretty. To me, it looked like satin, but someone else said they thought it was a ribbed fabric. I can't be sure; I just couldn't see it that well. I'm not sure if I thought the dress was right for her. Maybe it's just not the kind of thing I'm used to seeing her wear. Kakki mentioned she thought Myrtle might have been sitting in the front row. I thought maybe Myrtle had suggested the dress for her. I think Joni was going for a '30s and '40's chaunteuse look. I thought the dress was ill-fitting around her hips and awkward for her as she kept tugging at various parts of it. She looked more comfortable in the long skirt, fitted top and long sweater she came out in after the intermission. She remarked that this was such an adult thing to do and a thrill of a lifetime to have this great orchestra on a beautiful night. Couldn't agree more. A female heckler yelled out, "Joni, you are *so* beautiful!" Nicely put. The songs were just wondrous in person. I swayed in my seat with all the wonderful swing rhythms. Just great. I noticed, as Rick reported, that she needed the lyric sheet for "I Wish I Were in Love Again." I don't blame her; it's kind of a wordy piece. Felt she really perked up when Herbie came on-stage -- just in from an airplane she announced. She got a standing ovation after "BSN," which was just beyond belief. I just live for every word of it coming out of her mouth. Kakki remarked that we should have seen "Ludwig's Tune" coming after her story about Beethoven selling out on writing a piece of music that would be popular and make him a lot of money, but being 'humiliated because it was the worst piece of shit he'd ever written.' No clue ever hit me of what was to come, and I was stunned, absolutely stunned, when she introduced the song. As the orchestra went into the musical segment of it and she stood listening, I thought I hope she is appreciating what an amazing piece of music this is, to have been written at such an early point in her musical development or career, and how it is so musically complex and advanced that it just translates into an orchestral piece. I can't quite get my thought clear on that, but maybe you understand what I'm saying. I feel like many singers' compositions might need to be embellished, padded, for an orchestra, but Joni's original composition was pretty much orchestral. Folksinger, my, uh, rear-end. Mind-boggling. "For the Roses," I felt, lacked a little cohesiveness, but I might feel differently if I heard it a few more times. It was just so thrilling to hear it performed after so long. In this setting especially, much of her music struck me as so theatrical, little dramas, their complex images and music composition. Who reported that the trumpet player they met up with afterwards at the gas station ('the guy at the gas pumps/he's got a lot of soul ...') was not sure he was playing the right notes because of the music's sometimes discordant nature. Sometimes she even seemed to have trouble keeping up with the words! Am still wondering about some of the crowd. I was amazed at how many times people were in and out of their seats in the middle of her songs. If anyone in my row had tried it, I might have lost control of a metal nail file into someone's thigh ... (I know, I look so innocent). The two women to my left never once clapped after songs, although I think they did for "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now," leading me to think they might have been expecting Joni to do all her old stuff. Then after the concert some guy two rows down was complaining about "Joni Stupid Mitchell." Looking at me with my beatific grin he said, "did *you* like it?" I said I *loved* it, and he remarked to his friend, well, I'll find someone who hated it as much as I did. My stars! What was he expecting? Some of his reaction might have been due to the drink in his hand, which I think was not his first. As I remarked to a few people, on my way in I heard a guy telling a group of friends he wished she'd play the dulcimer again. Hon! Where have you been?? I returned to the entryway to retrieve a BSN program (mine had fallen out of my purse) and met up with the Dulsons, met Michael Paz (glad to meet up with some of the invetarate listers!) Never did get a shirt which I probably should have. Slogged my way down Sunset Blvd. to our next hot spot, the Hotel Bel Air. The traffic, again, was so horrendous. The Hotel Bel Air was a lovely spot for our group and we had a fun time. I could just imagine Joni lounging on one of the overstuffed couches, smoking cigarettes and regaling all of us with her latest escapades. Glad to meet Catherine Turley, whose ingenuity defies the imagination (I'll leave it at that ; ) Glad to meet Rick and Brad (and so sad to learn of the great party I had to miss at their reportedly stunning home). Great to meet Frank from San Antonio, a very friendly person. I'm just sorry I didn't chat with everyone as much as I'd liked. Wished I could have turned the clock backwards a few hours to start partying, but at 2 a.m., I couldn't go on. As Rick says, Note to Self: Have *got* to do this more often! Best wishes to all you going to her upcoming shows. You will be blown away. Guaranteed. Sorry to go on so long, but I know you're the only ones who'll listen. SIQUOMB -- again! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:45:16 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com In a message dated 5/14/00 7:28:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't think this person is from the JMDL. He/She didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think this person knew what this concert was all about! >> I, too, was surprised to read such differences. I thought I would see some differing favorites and all, but the one that Jimmy is talking about seemed as though they were at a different show altogether. About the only thing I agree with was her smoking on stage. May as well have her up there pumping a needle in her arm, but I also know that from my past experience, I tend to have a hard view on drug addiction. Still, smoking notwithstanding, her voice was more than capable of doing the songs. Some of the LA people remarked about people in the audience moving about throughout the songs. I think that at the Concord, the majority of the audience was simply spellbound. There were, of course, the dragged along partners, (I had one to my immediate right), but they were well trained and stayed in their seats. (:-D Again, the more I think back over last night, the more I love the mini-dramas of "Judgment of the Moon and Stars," and "For the Roses." Makes me really look forward to the next CD. MG - waiting for the Melotin to kick in ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:46:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com Coyote and Jimmy wrote: >>Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be >>the stuff a long thread is made of! > > Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't >think this person is from the JMDL. He/She >didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts >right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think >this person knew what this concert was all about! I just went over to JM.com and read those reviews and feel compelled to take exception with a few things written so far. The Greek was pretty much full capacity as far as I could see - there were very few empty seats. Also, not all late arrivers were being rude or "typically L.A.". The traffic Friday afternoon and evening in L.A. was brutally horrendous. It took me well over an hour in the early afternoon to get to Rick's house taking my best short cuts (normally a 20 minute drive). The entire central city was in gridlock. By the time people were heading to the concert they were faced with not only the usual brand of horrible Friday night traffic, but a Dodger baseball game near by and a closure of Hollywood Blvd., a huge main artery, for some special event and construction work on the Academy Awards' new facility and subway station. Most of our group managed to arrive early but at starting time, 8:00 p.m., there were many empty seats due to the traffic jam. The concert was started a half hour late purposely to allow people more time to arrive. And no, she did not, as one reviewer noted, perform either "Let The Wind Carry Me" or "Refuge of the Roads" (although I would have loved that! ;-) I will be sending my own review to JM.com when I get back to "normal" and can do a proper job of it ;-D Kakki NP: Joni - Barangrill ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #254 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?