From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe JMDL Digest Saturday, May 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 251 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: borrowing beauty [susan+rick ] Re: [Janet Hess ] setlist ["gene mock" ] sting [dave fairall / beth miller ] news from LA [mloftus@mindspring.com] Setlist,May12@theGreek ["Kelly Loughran" ] NJC- Happy Joni day ["Paul Castle" ] Concert News (No setlist content) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Out of a dream ["Kakki" ] Re: news from LA ["lpeakes" ] Re: Out of a dream ["lpeakes" ] re:dmb and what it is ...NJC [pat holden ] I caved immediately [Deb Messling ] L.A. Concert News [Don Sloan ] Re: news from LA [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Urge for Going Controversy ["P. Henry" ] Re: dmb and what it is ...NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: The Mystery of Paprika Plains [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni-goers in CA [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] joni & wayne shorter [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: joni & wayne shorter [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: May 12th : At Last! [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: May 12th : At Last! njc [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md) ["James L. Leonard" ] RE: tori amos and a joni mondegreen (VLJC) ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: news from LA [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Carly? [Linda Worster ] Joni Covers and Austin City Limits [Bounced Message ] unhappy JMDLer ["Garret" ] Re: unhappy JMDLer [Les Irvin ] Re: Time Out. Com (NJC, definitely NJC!) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: unhappy JMDLer ["Paul Castle" ] The Time Of Our Lives [Scott Price ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:58:30 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: borrowing beauty P. Henry posted: > you tweaked me with these comments... as one of out earliest concertgoers, (I > never saw Joni perform a college concert) do you perhaps recall her playing of > "Wizard of Is'? as I have shared before, Joni wrote the entire song to the > exact tune and chords, including guitar parts, of L.Cohen's 'Suzanne'. > (although the guitaring is more akin to Judy Collins version) this would be a > prime example of what you're speaking of. Sorry Pat, I wish I had heard her sing this, but to my recollection she didn't sing anything but her well-known songs once she started playing the larger venues (and the only cover I heard her sing was Get Together) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 03:07:16 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Why don't we all make up set lists and post 'em? At 12:00 AM 5/13/2000 -0700, gene mock wrote: >Not a bad idea, getting tired playing hearts on the PC. At least we know >somebody is having fun. - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:16:27 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: setlist I can't but believe that she's going to sing some of her old songs back up by the orchestra. Especially since she's toying around with the idea of doing her next CD that way. Whoa!!! That would be neat, break out the Kleenex. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 03:27:22 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: sting To David Piekarczyk and every one who's chimed about favorite careers. Favorite Careers? Miles Advise, Frank Lloyd Wright, Andres Segovia, Pablo Casals,Patsy Cline and Joni.> What exactly defines a "favorite career"? Fame, fortune, artistic accomplishment, popularity, or lack thereof, with critical acclaim, i.e.. Joni? For my money there's always John Coltrane on the spiritual side, or Otis Redding on the soulful side, but both died young. In terms of lifetime achievement, how about Sting, aka Gordon Sumner. Lets talk for a minute about song writing and just plain vocal chops. Not to mention his ability to perform on a singularly high level for a long time, the consummate rock star with integrity. Unbelievable charisma, and a truly unique approach to both song writing and singing. Has anyone heard his version of "My One and Only Love" from the "Leaving Las Vegas soundtrack? There is no other "rock star" who has the chops to embrace that tune, and still maintain his singular style in the process. I think that many people are biased against him because of his ego, and unparalleled popularity, but he is really the shit. I'm sure Joni would agree, it's unlikely that we'll see many more fully realized careers then that of Sting. Credit where credit is due. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 04:00:41 -0400 From: mloftus@mindspring.com Subject: news from LA Hi all: Just got back from the concert in LA and thought I would post a quick note before getting some rest. As I recall, all the songs from BSN were performed in album order. There was one brief intermission about an hour into the show. After she performed Both Sides Now, Joni mentioned that she is half way through another recording project with orchestra and had a few more things to play for us. These were: Be Cool Judgement Of The Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) Hejira For The Roses Trouble Man (Marvin Gaye) Just wait until you hear Hejira with full orchestra!!! In addition to the orchestra, other performers joining Joni on stage for one or more songs were: Mark Isham, Herbie Hancock, Peter Erskine, Larry Klein (whom Joni introduced as a "Russian on Prozac"). There was a four page color program featuring some of Joni's BSN artwork given to everyone upon entry. There are BSN tshirts ($27), lithos ($50) and a fleece vest ($?) for sale, along with TTT and TI tshirts. Joni seemed to be so happy and relaxed on stage. It must have been a dream come true to work with orchestra in a live setting. The first half of the evening she wore a beautiful light purple gown. Hard for me to classify - somewhat oriental in styling, made of an ususual ribbed fabric that moved in the light breeze. The second half of the show she wore an unusual print skirt (a Hindu deity on a winged throne, rays of light, planets and stars) and a long, dark maroon jacket. BTW - If anyone has a tape of this evening, I do need a copy. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:15:48 PDT From: "Kelly Loughran" Subject: Setlist,May12@theGreek ok, you asked. Joni sang the songs in the order of BSN. Then she sang "Be Cool", Judgment of the Moon & Stars (Ludwigs Tune), "For the Roses", and ended with Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man". Herbie Hancock sat in on piano a few times. She was radiant as usual and appeared so very confortable with herself. It's late, I'm tired and have to fly back to Northern CA tomorow to catch her next show (5th row orchestra!) I'll let the more seasoned posters fill you in with their details and rave reviews. Looking forward,Kelly >From: "gene mock" >Reply-To: "gene mock" >To: >Subject: Re: C'mon already! I'm *BEGGING*! >Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:34:24 -0700 > >Yeah!! Didn't anybody have the foresight to take a wireless laptop with >them to the concert? Come on I can't stay up all night, but I will! >----- Original Message ----- >From: Janet Hess >To: >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:26 PM >Subject: C'mon already! I'm *BEGGING*! > > > > Please, please, please...somebody post about tonight...this is killing >me! > > > > > > ----------------- > > So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. > > And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms > > 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. > > Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:33:33 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: NJC- Happy Joni day Linda Worster I've been away from my computer for 6 weeks, but I'm back now. Welcome back, Linda. I've missed you. Hope you managed to nail some great new recordings. PaulC (you missed Carly, but hopefully she's still around) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 05:20:48 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Concert News (No setlist content) All I can say is I am glad I wore dark pants. We had an absolute blast! Kakki and Paz will probably give full-blown details. I am exhausted! No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 03:28:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Out of a dream Just got home from the Bel Air Hotel after 12 hours of fantastic partying and music. What a day, what a night - there's too much to tell for now, but all that came out of my mouth for most of the night was "oh my God, oh my God." It was unbelievable - still hasn't quite sunk in yet. Just savoring it for now. Off to dreamland and more later. Unbelievable..... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 06:45:44 -0400 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: news from LA Thnaks for the L.A. report - pretty good for "a quick note" - ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 4:00 AM Subject: news from LA > Hi all: > > Just got back from the concert in LA and thought I would post > a quick note before getting some rest. > > As I recall, all the songs from BSN were performed in album order. There was one brief intermission about an hour into the show. After she performed Both Sides Now, Joni mentioned that she is half way through another recording project with orchestra and had a few more things to play for us. These were: > > Be Cool > Judgement Of The Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) > Hejira > For The Roses > Trouble Man (Marvin Gaye) > > Just wait until you hear Hejira with full orchestra!!! > > In addition to the orchestra, other performers joining Joni on stage for one or more songs were: Mark Isham, Herbie Hancock, Peter Erskine, Larry Klein (whom Joni introduced as a "Russian on Prozac"). > > There was a four page color program featuring some of Joni's BSN artwork given to everyone upon entry. There are BSN tshirts ($27), lithos ($50) and a fleece vest ($?) for sale, along with TTT and TI tshirts. > > Joni seemed to be so happy and relaxed on stage. It must have been a dream come true to work with orchestra in a live setting. The first half of the evening she wore a beautiful light purple gown. Hard for me to classify - somewhat oriental in styling, made of an ususual ribbed fabric that moved in the light breeze. The second half of the show she wore an unusual print skirt (a Hindu deity on a winged throne, rays of light, planets and stars) and a long, dark maroon jacket. > > BTW - If anyone has a tape of this evening, I do need a copy. > > Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:08:19 -0400 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: Out of a dream I can't wait 'til you wake up and tell, Kakki - but, in the meantime, here's to a good restorative sleep and good weather when you wake! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kakki To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:28 AM Subject: Out of a dream > Just got home from the Bel Air Hotel after 12 hours of fantastic partying > and music. What a day, what a night - there's too much to tell for now, but > all that came out of my mouth for most of the night was "oh my God, oh my > God." It was unbelievable - still hasn't quite sunk in yet. Just savoring > it for now. Off to dreamland and more later. > > Unbelievable..... > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:19:15 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re:dmb and what it is ...NJC Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: <<>> Just had to say a "me too" here.....oh yea....that's it , exactly. Perfect description. Bang on . to which i would add ...passion...soul....touch.....ooooooooobaby i love his way. mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:23:05 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: I caved immediately Okay, I know I said I wanted to be surprised, but I just couldn't stand it. Can't wait to hear the blow-by-blow! Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 04:27:22 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: L.A. Concert News It's 4:00 a.m. and I'm just home after a glorious evening under the stars with Joni. (Okay. So it was L.A. and I didn't really see any stars, but I'm sure they were there.) Being exhausted at the moment, I'll not go into any detail, but wanted to say simply this for now: That VOICE!!!!! Stronger and more emotional than ever!! A powerful and confident performance, I'd say. Thanks to Kakki for the birthday card and for setting up the post-gig meeting of the tribe at the Bel Air. It was great seeing everyone. Got to close the eyes...... Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:16:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: news from LA Thanks for the report Mike! I woke up early on a Saturday cause I couldn't sleep any longer. I kept wondering how the concert went. I'm so excited that she's doing "Hejira". I can't believe it! Now I'm going to have to wait for all of you LA partiers to wake up and give us some more reports. Damn, I wish I had some of your phone numbers. I'd wake you all up right now! This is going to be a heavy Joni email weekend! Wake up LA! Wake up LA! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 05:19:21 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy lou wrote: >if she fell in love with the song and just "had to have it," she would have recorded it before Tom Rush had a chance. When recording musicians fall in love with a song, they usually record it while the passion's hot... (also) she doesn't seem to be the type of person...> an excellent point, especially considering, as I've written about more than once, if Joni had wanted to record, I know for a fact that she could have easily done so at least a year and a half before she finally signed with reprise and did STAS. several companies were sending agents who were literally hounding her at her performances trying to get her to sign with them but she wouldn't because she refused to subject her art to an 'assembly line' schedule. this doesn't seem like someone who'd claim she wrote someone else's song. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:29:50 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: dmb and what it is ...NJC hey last night i turned on the tv around midnight and dm was on with emmy lou harris, and he did the long black veil, and then two new songs that are not out yet. he's a wild man. pat np. a fan humming quietly in the background ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:38:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Mystery of Paprika Plains In a message dated 5/11/00 3:49:14 PM US Central Standard Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << One of my long-time burning Joni questions has to do with the instrumental section of PAPRIKA PLAINS. It's gorgeous--and I read that Mingus dug it--but there's unsung lyrics printed in the book, presumably meant for that section. >> Hi Nickel Chief... I've saved your e-mail for a couple of days now, wanting to respond. I'd love to see us really dig into PP and analyze it note by note, line by line. It's so dense and complex, we could literally spend months with it... But, Joni's on the road, an a Jonifest's around the corner, so bring it up again in the summer when things pipe down a little and we'll see if we can strike up some talk about PP and give it the discussion it's due. Hejira and Judgement with an orchestra...I'm almost breathless with anticipation...in the meantime, I'm REALLY digging this Brian Blade, particularly the Joni track, Steadfast, which is 8:15 long...Daniel Lanois plays guitar on it, and it has that kind of ethereal feel that he brings to his performances, like on the Peter Gabriel and U2 discs he produced. If I could get an album's worth of this stuff - SWEET! Anway, congrats to you west coasters - keep the reports coming! Bob NP: Brian Blade, "Trembling" (like I will be in a week in Atlanta) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:01:34 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Joni-goers in CA Oh, I'm SO jealous of all you lucky JMDLers going tonight, I'm green. (Well, come to think of it, I'm usually some shade of green lately :-) Have an absolutely magical time!!! And if anyone wants to tell me all about it afterwards, I'm all ears!!!! MUCH, MUCH JONI and lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:05:51 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md) In a message dated 5/12/2000 6:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << I can understand those who contend that the Beach Boys started those swinging 60s though.>>> Around the summer of 1964 we had seen that the Beatles were not only not going to go away the phenomenon of the British Wave was continuing. The Beach Boys had nothing to do with the 60s other than participating in the larger era. The 60s (being from San Francisco) began when the British wave met the political storm of the free speech movement which met the LSD-Haight Ashbury Scene. This was not going on everywhere obviously so ones view from Omaha (great song by Moby Grape) would be very different than from SF. That was why Harrison and McCartney when they came here said "woah, whats this going on here". But the free speech movement which turned into the anti-war movement was happening here with relatively little nationwide notice but the 60s had already started long before we began to wonder about surfing. Some had ignored the surfing thing altogether. <<< But I would counter that Chuck Berry was the one.>>>> No more so than Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis <<< I should define my terms I suppose. I'm thinking of the 60s as the era of Rock music, not the Rock n' Roll era.>>> The "60s" would be the Fillmore and Avalon ballrooms going off. <<< In that context then the wonderkinds from Sun Records, Elvis, Johnny Cash, and Roy Orbison yielded almost no influence at all upon those who followed. >>> I dont know how anyone could possibly say that these musicians influenced no one. <<< When I think of the 60s, I think of "Crosstown Traffic" by Jimi Hendrix and not "I Walk The Line".>>>> I dont know about Crosstown Traffic. The song that I vividly recall as heralding the 60s more than any other was Purple Haze. Out of the blue one morning my alarm clock awoke me with the strangest music I had ever heard with a voice that seemed to be from outer space. Compare Jimis voice to those truly popular at the time qand you will see what I mean. From that day on all bets were off on the music scene. <<>> I would agree with the concert itself but for a different reason. Woodstock seemed to demonstrate that our generation had community figured out. Altamont proved we were full of nonsense at woodstock. Nothing was the same after Altamont. But let us not forget that 1968 with the assaniations of Kennedy and King and the television turning the viet nam war into a nightmare for the country certainly changed the mood of the country as well. The political mood changed and the mood at the concerts changed. at that time. The 50s seemed to have been ancient history by 1969. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:15:04 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: joni & wayne shorter In the notes I am writing for the sequel to JAZZ TAKES..., I want to mention Wayne Shorter. Can someone please tell me what year he first collaborated with JM and what was the name of that project? Thanks, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:29:35 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: joni & wayne shorter I think it was Wild Things. What time's Kakki getting up ? Philip - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: joni & wayne shorter > In the notes I am writing for the sequel to JAZZ TAKES..., I want to mention > Wayne Shorter. Can someone please tell me what year he first collaborated > with JM and what was the name of that project? Thanks, DAVID LAHM > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:41:58 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: May 12th : At Last! Kakki's blow by blow isn't here yet so we might as well talk about Joni history. Paul wrote: >Without thinking I said, "Hello > Rod" like we were long lost buddies. He smiled broadly and I > walked away red-faced. Paul He was a really friendly bloke and a huge Joni fan, presumably still is. But never mind Rodney, Joni and the band were indeed brilliant that night. They kicked off with a rocking This Flight Tonight. I could never understand why that song never made it onto Miles Of Aisles. She wore jeans and shirt for the first half and changed into a long blue dress for the second half. >I SO wanted >to be Robben Ford that night. Yes, great idea. You be Robben Ford and I'll be John Guerin. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:42:42 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: May 12th : At Last! njc From: jan gyn > > You should have asked him if it was true he got his stomach pumped! > -jan > :) > That's not my style, my dear. And besides he's bigger than me :) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:53:59 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md) > In a message dated 5/12/2000 6:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jlamadoo@one.net writes: > > << I can understand those who contend that the Beach Boys started those > swinging 60s though.>>> Marcel answered, in part, by writing: > > Around the summer of 1964 we had seen that the Beatles were not only not > going to go away the phenomenon of the British Wave was continuing. The Beach > Boys had nothing to do with the 60s other than participating in the larger > era. (snip) Marcel, being the Brian Wilson fan I am, I have to take issue with this assertion. While it's true that Brian's songs were not originally "political," per se, in their earliest incarnations they did help set the stage for the "communal" era to follow. Young people the world over were suddenly honorary Californians, vicariously enjoying the thrills of surfing, drag racing, and "Girls On The Beach." Brian was also one of the first pop songwriters to address deeper, personal and confessional topics in his songs, like the insecurities he expressed in the lovely "In My Room" and "The Warmth Of The Sun," to name two early examples.(And please remember, in 1963 and 1964, The Beatles weren't writing politically- or socially-conscious songs, either.) Of course, it was Brian's landmark Pet Sounds, a highly personal album made against the wishes of the other Beach Boys, wherein Brian made his most significant impact on the music of the '60s. His arrangements and heretofore unused recording techniques still reverberate in the popular music of today. Both Lennon and McCartney are on record as having claimed Pet Sounds as they principle inspiration for Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Their longstanding but friendly rivalry with Brian really kicked into gear at that point, with Brian heading into the studio for months to construct his initial volley, "Good Vibrations," before proceeding headlong into the dark tunnel of drugs, coupled with the aforementioned insecurities, which finally ended in his inability to finish the next album, his "symphony to God, the ill-fated, still unheard (in it's final form), and legendary Smile. It's great to see Brian making music again, although the ravages of his past mental problems are still very evident. He's about to tour Pet Sounds, after all these years, with orchestra (a la Joni). You go, Bri. Peace to you. Anyway, my (more than) .02 cents on the subject (I could write an even longer essay). If anyone's interested in investigating Brian's career (which I considered listing as one of "my favorite careers") in depth, I'd highly recommend the Good Vibrations 4-CD box set, Brian's autobiography Wouldn't It Be Nice, and any of a number of other great books, including The Beach Boys And The California Myth by David Leaf. There's also a Pet Sounds box now which presents recording sessions for the album, in which you can hear Brian's genius at work as he instructs the orchestra in *exactly* what's he's looking to accomplish (some of this is also provided in a bonus Disc 5 in the Good Vibrations box). "Boston Jim" NP: Mark Knopfler, Golden Heart, "I'm The Fool" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:52:46 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: I caved immediately Deb wrote: << Okay, I know I said I wanted to be surprised, but I just couldn't stand it. Can't wait to hear the blow-by-blow! >> LOL!!!! I *knew* it, Deb!!! We are all just too "die hard" to wait even one more second! WAKE UP, LA!!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:58:04 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: news from LA In a message dated 5/13/00 5:19:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << This is going to be a heavy Joni email weekend! Wake up LA! Wake up LA! >> Hey, I'm with you on this one!! At least we have the set list and I am dumbfounded! I was thisclose to backing out of going to tonight's concert but now am so glad that I decided to load up on coffee! Only 7AM and I'm ready to go to the Concord show!!! MG - waiting, waiting, waiting... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:01:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: The Mystery of Paprika Plains The Guy from South Carolina said: << But, Joni's on the road, an a Jonifest's around the corner, so bring it up again in the summer when things pipe down a little and we'll see if we can strike up some talk about PP and give it the discussion it's due. >> No rest for the weary on this list!!! The only reason I haven't been plugging the New England Labor Day Jonifest, is because we are so busy with these two things. But after May we will have the Mendel show AND theTopsfield Jonifest!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:16:01 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Two tickets for MD concert 5/25 I have two tickets for the MD concert which I unfortunately need to sell. They are in row H, right of center, seats 34 and 36. If anyone is interested, please email me or Lori Fye . Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:17:27 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: tori amos and a joni mondegreen (VLJC) It's so strange how people's likes and dislikes can be so different. I think this is a good thing really though. I, for instance, thought BOYS FOR PELE was Tori's worst album. I still think LITTLE EARTHQUAKES is her best album and I thought FROM THE CHOIRGIRL HOTEL and TO VENUS AND BACK was more like LITTLE EARTHQUAKES. I like TO VENUS AND BACK a lot. dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Bounced Message [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 5:53 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE:tori amos and a joni mondegreen (VLJC) > > List Archives: > Unsubscribe: > -------------------------------- > > From: "Yael Harlap" > Subject: RE:tori amos and a joni mondegreen (VLJC) > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:37:00 GMT > > Garret said, regarding Tori Amos: > > >i didn't consider the latest album to be up to much though. it almost > > >makes you think that she has passed her creative peak. Choirgirl > >Hotel, > >Boys for Pele, Under the Pink are all superb and leave one in >no doubt > >that a truly major creative force is at work. > > I like To Venus and Back better than Choirgirl, I think! So to each their > own, I guess :) I *was* a little disappointed with the live album part of > it but that is just because I have been to so many amazing concerts that a > produced version can't hold up. And all the songs I was hoping would be on > it aren't. (Except Cooling). > > >she is truly original. have u heard her cover Stevie Nicks' > >Landslide?? > >that is really good. though she adds the Tori >fingerprint "and if you > >see my erection in the ...". well i may be >hearing it wrong. hope not > >after sayign that! > > I do love her version of Landslide, but I never heard "erection"! I always > thought she said "reflection" (which of course is what Stevie says.) > > Speaking of mondegreens, I was very amused with myself... thinking that > Joni > said "I was running like a wide-assed deer." I found myself trying to > visualize how a wide-assed deer would run. Somehow the image doesn't map > onto Joni very well! > > -Yael > > np (in my head) "I was running like a wide-assed deer" on repeat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:07:10 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: May 12th : At Last! I wrote >>I SO wanted >>to be Robben Ford that night. Philip philipf@tinet.ie wrote: >Yes, great idea. You be Robben Ford and I'll be John Guerin. Hey, wait a minute, changed my mind. Guerin had the best job - he got to date the singer as well. PaulC (pushing Philip off the drum stool!) PS Aren't they awake yet? Goodness, those LAers sleep more than the Canadians. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:38:55 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: news from LA mloftus@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > BTW - If anyone has a tape of this evening, I do need a copy. You, and 600 other people. Jerry 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:25:58 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: NJC Carly? PaulC said: >(you missed Carly, but hopefully she's still around) somebody wanna fill me in on this?????? pleease? Linda, also anxiously waiting for LA to put the coffee on ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:39:49 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni Covers and Austin City Limits From: "Happy The Man" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:09:31 -0500 Just received my Joni Covers cds from Catherine. Great stuff some of that I have been collecting on my own but of course some will be impossible to purchase. I really enjoyed the Fairport material and one of my favorites was the Natalie Merchant cover. Thanks for all this is what make this list a great community. I caught another Austin City Limits last night, probably a repeat but is was great. Emmylou Harris, Dave Matthews, Patti Griffith, Buddy and Julie Miller. Emmylou does a duet with Dave Matthews called "Gulf Coast Highway" that she originally did with Willie Nelson on her album "duets". All I can say it was pretty close to the emotion I felt when I heard "Both Sides Now" on KGSR a couple of months ago for the first time. Patti was good. Buddy and Julie were probably more showcased by Emmylou. Dave does a couple of songs off his new album. All and all a typical Austin City Limits show. No wonder the tickets go in 2 minutes. If you get a chance check it out, you will enjoy. Peace, Craig NP: Covers, Covers and more Covers. Heading towards New Orleans, that is if I can get my old pickup moving. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:59:54 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: unhappy JMDLer i wasn't sure whether i should mark this NJC or not. ultimately i decided not to. but be warned, this is not about Joni. A few weeks ago i read a message on this list from a new memeber. after about a day and a half i sent a welcome message, and happened to mention what a great reception i had recieved. it was around the time of the TNT tribute. it turned out that i was the only person to say this. we emailed each other off list a few times, and it transpired that he was a really nice guy. Ramcey was afraid he had offended everyone here by saying what other songwriters he considers great. (trust me, many of you would have agreed with his tastes) i assured him this was not the case, and that perhaps it was just tthe excitement of the tribute show getting to everyone that resulted in nobody responding to his post. that seemed to make sense. but just after this quite a few new members announced themselves on-list, and they did seem to be welcomed with the warmth i have come to love of this list. this really added to my Ramceys agitation i imagine. in the whole exam rush that i had recently (just four days and then they are finished!!!!) i didn't get a chance to email him for about two weeks. yesterday i did, and to my horror doscovered that this guy seemed a little upset. he seems to have been dropped off of the list somehow, and hasn't been recieving it at all. he tried to rejoin but found that he couldn't. i don't know the technological ins and outs of a thing like this, so i can't really make any suggestions. he fears that he has been banned from the JMDL, and he doesn't konw why. i just thought i'd share this. it made me fell rather bad. i'm not trying to ruin the buzz that the live show is creating. i will ask him to try again to join. although i would not be too surprised if the situation has turned hom off of the idea. sorry for whinging guys, GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:18:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: unhappy JMDLer At 5/13/2000 09:59 AM, Garret wrote: >yesterday i did, and to my horror doscovered that this guy seemed a little >upset. he seems to have been dropped off of the list somehow, and hasn't >been recieving it at all. he tried to rejoin but found that he couldn't. I don't recall this particular case, but very often certain addresses that are sub.scribed to the list begin to "bounce" - that is, their email servers have a problem and all their mail begins flooding back to me. I have an automatic filter set up so that, after a certain number of bounces, the address is un.sub.scribed from the list. This is simply to stop the flood of mail back to me and is NEVER a decision based upon anything other than that. The person can't be contacted about the problem because that would bounce too! So they are usually removed without notice. If you ever suspect you've been removed because of this problem, simply resub.scribe. The easier way is to head to the website and take care of it: http://216.247.66.89/subscribe.cfm No hard feelings, Ramcey? Come on back... Les NP: Van Morrison "The Master's Eyes" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:29:05 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Time Out. Com (NJC, definitely NJC!) Catherine McKay wrote: > You sound like my husband! He's also 51 and with a > full head of darker brown/auburn hair with nary a > strand of grey and not too many wrinkles. I'm 5 years > younger than him and, if it weren't for the Clairol > and L'Oreal companies, I'd probably be completely grey > - and it's not even a nice silvery grey - it's that > mouse-coloured stuff. Cripes, it's irritating... I've just come across my first wisps of grey hair this week......three weeks shy of my 29th birthday. I've always admired that silvery-streaked look like George Clooney and (before he went completely grey) Richard Gere, but I didn't think I'd be on my way there so soon... ;o) Jason. NP. Bruce Springsteen - Streets Of Philadelphia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:13:05 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: sting (NJC) dave fairall / beth miller wrote: > In terms of lifetime achievement, how about Sting, aka Gordon Sumner. > Lets talk for a minute about song writing and just plain vocal chops. > Not to mention his ability to perform on a singularly high level for a > long time, the consummate rock star with integrity. > Unbelievable charisma, and a truly unique approach to both song writing > and singing. Hear Hear! (or is it "here here"?, I never know which!).........Sting would be among my numbers 6-10 of favourite careers - not because I don't rate him among my top 5, but I've already listed my first five :-) I think there are definite parallels with, say, Joni or Paul Simon in the consistent high quality of his recorded output. The Police look like being one of the few iconic bands NOT to succumb to reformation (for whatever reasons), and as such their music has not been tempered by posthumous follies. Having said that, it doesn't take too much stretching of the imagination to picture a lot of Sting's solo work as how The Police might themselves have evolved (assuming Sting had remained the main creative force in the band). If I Ever Lose My Faith In You, The Soul Cages, Desert Rose, Seven Days...even Englishman In New York. > I think that many people are biased against him because of his ego, and > unparalleled popularity, but he is really the shit. I'm sure Joni would > agree, it's > unlikely that we'll see many more fully realized careers then that of > Sting. Credit where credit is due. Indeed. I completely agree. There does finally seem to be a *grudging* respect (or at least acknowledgement) of his achievements, and Brand New Day has managed to thrive fairly impressively in the UK charts. Jason. NP : New Order - Blue Monday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:38:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) "Boston Jim" who, of course, has a special place in my heart because of his moniker, said: <> Since I am sitting here at my computer with bated breath, waiting for the LAers to wake up, (SOMEONE RUN SOME NO-DOZE DOWN TO THEM!!! Fergoddessessake, how long can you sleep?) I finally have time to jump on this thread. (And of course, you have not much else to read while you are waiting.) My faves, and ones I would rush out to buy without hearing a not beforehand: 1) Steeleye Span- an INCREDIBLE folk/rock band from the late 60's/early70's. They are still going strong today, and have an extensive discography. I have bought every album of theirs as soon as it came out since I was in High School. And yes, I was looked at as though I had 2 heads (are you listening, Sara?) for my weird tastes."Steely Dan?" my Stones/Hendrix/Beatles friends would say to me. "No," I would sigh for the umpteenth time, "Steeleye Span!!!" 2) Cheryl Wheeler- A wonderful singer/songwriter who has me constantly either in tears with her gorgeous ballads, or in stitches with her totally irreverent humor. (NOTHING is sacred!) If she ever comes around to where you are, she is really an incredible person to see live! 3) Cappercaillie- a Scottish band. Only been around since the mid 80's, but they are gooooood!!! 4) Clannad- an Irish band featuring the Brennan family -- Maire (vocals, harp), Ciaran (vocals, guitar, bass, keyboards), Pol (guitar, percussion, flute, vocals) -- began playing at their father Leo's tavern with two of their uncles, Padraig Duggan (guitar, vocals, mandolin) and Noel Duggan (guitar, vocals) 5) Johnny Clegg- from Africa. Great rhythms, powerful lyrics! If you've never heard his music before, go to cdnow.com, and listen to some sound samples! 6) Amy Grant- Already gushed about her here. 7) James Taylor- What can I say? 8) Fairport Convention- They have been through many incarnations, but I am a die-hard fan! 9) Loreena McKennit- Some of the most beautiful, haunting melodies I've ever heard. 10) Dougie MacLean- a James Taylorish singer/songwriter from Scotland. And I must mention Melissa Ferrick, even though her career is just beginning. Not only because she is an excellent and talented singer/songwriter, but also because when she was in high school, she came over every week to take trumpet lessons from my ex. ::grin:: Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:55:24 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: unhappy JMDLer Garret sprout@eircom.net wrote >Ramcey was afraid he had offended everyone here by >saying what other songwriters he considers great. (trust >me, many of you would have agreed with his tastes) i >assured him this was not the case, and that perhaps it > was just the excitement of the tribute show getting to >everyone that resulted in nobody responding to his post. I thought the only contribution I could make to try and persuade Ramcey to give it another chance was by posting a copy of an off-list note I sent to a UK newbie who wrote to me via Cathy in Oregon recently - Annie, hope you're still here! (and hi Cathy, you logger-hugger, you!) I wrote: "I've been on the jmdl for nearly a year now and felt very much like you do when I started. There are references and shared anecdotes from some of the regulars that go way back, and somedays, I'm sure, you'll say to yourself,"why are they all talking about this or that so intently" and then one small thing will catch you eye, and if Joni and her music really get to you, your interest will be off again. I'm sure many people come and go as time allows, but to me it has been like reading a really long book that I just can't put down. Really hope you decide to stick around and get the urge to post. Whilst often no one replies, which can make you feel a little isolated, in fact I've learnt that all of us spend most of the time 'listening' and loving the next enthusiastic burst of wonderment. Very best - to Ramcey and Annie PaulC PS. re Ramcey's favourite songwriters Bruce Cockburn - as some will have sussed, he is one of my all time favourites after hearing 'Salt Sun and Time' one afternoon in a house in Winnipeg back in 1974. That is still the one BruceC album I'd choose if I had one choice but I've had, have or heard most of them. Must pick up 'Sunwheel Dance' on CD. Greg Brown - I've heard one track off a Sing Out! Magazine compilation CD which I can't put my hand to right now but the track was something about "the small dark movie of your life". I like this track a lot and have included it on compilations I've made for friends. Great deep voice and fine guitar playing. Another one I don't know where to start. And Bobby Dylan - from day one. In the UK at the time, with the Beatles it was either John or Paul that you liked best - - same with Dylan and Donovan. I was a Dylanite, but with great respect for Don. If you've seen 'Don't Look Back' you'll probably remember the cheeky feud Bob and Albert Grossman were spinning during that tour. Never saw him in the early days although I had a school friend who did. I also knew a London busker back then who claimed to have hung out with him down at Les Cousins on Greek Street (who knows?) I know he went down to The Troubadour (Jamie's Jonifest gig) in Earl's Court to see Martin Carthy one night and played a few songs. And recently he had a house in Crouch End which is not far from me. He is supposed to drink in a boozer round the back where none of the old codgers who go in there every night have ever heard of him. And I hear he's been seen in a local curry house, although when asked if this was true, the Indian waiter said "Oh yes! Mr Dylan eat in here sometimes. But so does Nigel Havers!!" Perhaps Nigel is a big Bollywood star or something. I've seen Dylan several times in more recent years at places like Earl's Court, Blackbush, Wembley Arena and Hammersmith (the latter, at the time of Oh Mercy being the best ever - was he ever on form that night. I've never felt such a rush from an audience before or since. Sorry I didn't write all this at the time, Ramcey. Sometimes you're busy, sometimes you expect someone else will jump in with something, and sometimes the thread just organically picks up somewhere else. There is never any offence intended, I'm sure. As you say in your parts, "You come back now, y'hear! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:10:05 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: The Time Of Our Lives On a warm night under starry skies Joni kicked off her BSN 2000 tour before a full house at L.A.'s beautiful Greek Theatre. The small and intimate venue proved to have stunning acoustics and this jewel of an amphitheater is simply a first class arena. First off, for those who have lamented the "loss" of Joni's vocal abilities, this just in--she's still got it! Her presentation was crystal clear throughout the evening, no raspiness whatsoever, and covered a broad range of notes, including several long and very long sustained passages...absolutely no shortness of breath...just effortless and silky-smooth expression. There is a huskiness that wasn't there years ago but she stood up on that stage and belted the renditions with total control. Joni seemed to have a youthful energy that infected everyone on stage as well as the audience. I thought that she was in better voice last night than she was when the album "Both Sides Now" was recorded. Although there was only limited rehearsal time due to the logistics of putting together a large orchestra like that, I wonder if Joni hasn't been exercising her voice and practicing her breathing techniques because there was a degree of clarity which has been absent for the past little while. I thought Joni was nervous when she first came out and spoke a few words before taking off with "You're My Thrill." Prior to this the orchestra warmed up the crowd with about a six-minute prologue, a piece I'm not familiar with. Perhaps due to unusually heavy traffic, the concert started a half-hour later than scheduled, beginning at 8:30 p.m. Towards the end of this orchestral introduction the crowd began buzzing in anticipation of Joni taking the stage. If she was apprehensive it quickly vanished once she began singing, and SIQUOMB seemed very much at ease throughout the evening. After the first song was over she gave a little gesture of clenched fists as if to say "I nailed it!" And indeed she did. There was a radiance from the stage, not just from Joni but the entire orchestra was obviously having a great time, or in the words of one 74-year-old orchestra member whom we spoke to after the show, "the time of my life!" She proceded through all the songs, in order, from the "Both Sides Now" album: "At Last," "Comes Love," "You've Changed," "Answer Me, My Love," "A Case of You," "Don't Go To Strangers," "Sometimes I'm Happy," "Don't Worry About Me," "Stormy Weather," "I Wish I Were In Love Again," and "Both Sides Now." They were faithful to the album, but Joni added several new vocal nuances for this live performance which kept the concert from being an exact duplicate of the album, which, given the fact that the music is all scored and played note for note each time, would be expected. What made this so much better than listening to the album, aside from it being Joni in a live concert, was the superior Greek Theatre sound system. There is a small amount of ambient noise throughout much of BSN which is due to it being recorded with very few microphones in an attempt to capture the concert hall sound. This (IMO) extraneous hiss was completely eliminated last night by placing the mikes closer to the instruments and allowing that fantastic p.a. system to deliver the music in an extremely pure form. I can't offer up enough superlatives about the sound quality of the Greek Theatre and its equipment. Special guests Herbie Hancock, Mark Isham, and Larry Klein each injected some magic when called upon. Herbie, in particular, cast an entirely new jazz feel over the top of the "standards" orchestra, and Isham's solos were a bit more subdued and at the same time varied from what he has been doing with Joni recently. Klein took the stage for "Hejira" and displayed a technically challenged set of bass riffs that perfectly complemented this song. As the unannounced song began I thought the bass notes were sounding like a nebulous version of "Hejira" but I couldn't believe they were going to tackle this one. Quickly though Klein launched into those familiar lines and my surprise turned into shock. The minimalist orchestral accompaniment on this song allowed a more focused interplay between Joni and Larry, recreating that "one-on-one" feel that Joni had with Jaco on the original version. It was a bold choice. To me the songs on the album "Hejira" have a solitary feeling, one borne from that solo cross-country journey. So how does a large orchestra convey this feeling and allow those powerful and brilliant lyrics to take the fore? By laying back and simply adding a few colors here and there, the moment was clearly Joni's and Larry's. Sublime. The whole concert was one highlight after another but I was especially moved by the treatment of one of my all-time favorite compositions, "Judgement of the Moon and Stars." After telling a story about Beethoven's disenchantment with the music "biz" during his time, Joni announced that she would perform "Ludwig" next. A gasp went up from those of us who had only dreamed of this moment. As soon as the first notes were taken up by the orchestra a spell was cast...truly mesmerizing as this huge song was built up and up and up by the players, reaching an awesome crescendo with all the instruments literally screaming before settling gently down for the bridge. Too soon it was over, but the message had been sent. This orchestral piece, composed by Joni Mitchell, is musical genius. "Be Cool" was to me a surprise choice but arranger Vince Mendoza threw in a bluesy feel and it worked beautifully. "For The Roses" was put to a dissonant arrangement that captured the inner clashes Joni originally wrote about. I was so happy that she is revisiting some of the songs off this great album after not playing any of them seemingly forever. Frankly, I thought she had forgotten about many of these albums and songs but sitting there listening to her sing FTR made me consider that she has been spending time going back through her catalog trying to figure out where to go next. I'm glad that she chose to give us this new opportunity to appreciate these gems. She closed with Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man," a song she has now done live several times and is very comfortable with. At that point it was almost anti-climactic because she had given us a succession of surprises and delights. Nonetheless, this song had everyone beaming. Despite a prolonged standing ovation Joni and the musicians did not return for an encore. But I don't think anyone felt cheated. It was a special night in a special place and Joni showed us the time of our lives. Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #251 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?