From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Websites: - Unsubscribe: JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 245 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: RT's Woodstock a "one-off" [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 ["Alison Einerson" ] careers (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] Deep Dreaming [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: Running into Dykes NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Feedback on "Creative Writing" [Louis Lynch ] tori amos (NJC) [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama [catman ] Tommy (the movie) (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama [Howard Motyl ] Re: Running into Dykes NJC [catman ] Re: careers (VLJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] music favorites part two ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: music favorites part two ["Alison Einerson" ] careers [Bounced Message ] ISO Simon ["Eric G. Postel" ] TNT Tribute - can anyone make a copy? [Les Irvin ] Re: music favorites part two (Patty Larkin NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: BSN covered ["Garret" ] Running into dykes (NJC) ["kerry" ] Re: Favorite Careers (njc) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Running into Dykes NJC ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: The JMDL SIGN ["Kakki" ] Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: music favorites part two NJC, [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:Favorite Careers NJC ["Garret" ] anne's lyrics...njc [pat holden ] Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Favorite Careers (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Careers - njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Covers Project [dsk ] Re: Deep Dreaming njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: careers (VLJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Wynonna loves Joni [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:09:11 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: RT's Woodstock a "one-off" From: "John van Tiel" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:54:40 +0200 Hi Flip, I went to Richard Thompson's concert in Groningen (NL) last Monday. Apart from the fact that he was absolutely brilliant, more or less the same happened in our beautiful city, too. He asked the audience what they wanted to hear and someone shouted 'Black Crow'. His spontaneous answer was 'How did YOU know?'. Danny Thompson started grinning and played Goodbye Pork Pie Hat on his upright bass. I'd love to see the tribute concert. Is there anyone who out there could make a copy of the tape and bring it to the Jonifest in N.O.? >From a dyke in the North of the Netherlands... John van Tiel NP. Richard Thompson - Al Bowlly's in Heaven (Live at Crawley) Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (no-relation) started their European tour last Monday and last night in Utrecht (NL) someone called out a request for Woodstock, right after their first two songs. RT made desperate suppressing gestures and replied, "I'll pay you afterwards to keep quiet about that - it's not really in the repertoire." This could be considered as an example of the European impact even of his performance at the JM-Tribute. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:32:16 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > anymore....it's all nursery rhymes and songs about > being happily married. > who wants to listen to that depressing shit??? ;-) I do. I love Shawn Colvin's last album. Seems a lot of other people like her stuff too. mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:33:51 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 this was a little tongue in cheek, mike. as i stated before, shawn colvin is one of my favorite artists. alison e. (heavy on the sarcasm...) - ---------- >From: "Mike Hicks" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 2:32 PM > >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) >From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 >Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > >> anymore....it's all nursery rhymes and songs about >> being happily married. >> who wants to listen to that depressing shit??? ;-) > >I do. I love Shawn Colvin's last album. Seems a lot of other people >like her stuff too. > >mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:30:14 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: careers (VLJC) From: "Yael Harlap" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:26:54 GMT Hello! I can't believe that of all the amazing artists and careers people have mentioned so far, NO ONE has listed Tori Amos!! I realize her "career" hasn't been that long, yet, but then again, neither has mine (I'm 25) so I figure that's ok. Tori is my absolute favorite and I have lots and lots of CDs and singles and all sorts of goodies of hers. Her cover of A Case of You is what got me into Joni (so yes, I realize I am a recent addition to the Joni fanbase!). So even though Tori has only put out 5 albums (excluding the horrific big-hair 80's pop album Y Kant Tori Read), she has morphed and changed with every album, moving from the personal diary of Little Earthquakes to the impressionistic (as she labeled it) Under the Pink, to the confrontational and dark Boys For Pele, to the experimental and electronic-influenced From the Choirgirl Hotel, to the most recent album To Venus and Back. I have a weakness for her earliest stuff but I love the changes (at least better than I used to do) - it gets so dull when artists don't allow themselves fluidity. And her concerts are spectacularly intimate - even when she is backed by a full band. If she ever tours again solo with the piano, run, don't walk, to the show. Cheers, Yael yharlap@channelsinternet.com yaelha@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:36:09 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Deep Dreaming Ann, I think this is one of your best yet. There is some very powerful, albeit sinister imagery; rather reminds me of Sylvia Plath in places. Glad you broke your cardinal rule and shared it with us before you had a chance to edit it down. I think it's brilliant. Bern DEEP DREAMING I'm marooned here in this room Festooned in flowers and floating balloons The party girl is tired Propped up with chewing gum and chicken wire With a promise of flight On fledgling wings On thinnest night Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Mail slips in on the flimsy wind And the fickle weather of others' whims The world still spins sustained By the merciless and mundane Out of sight and out of mind I chant and pray and pantimime The likeness of a life Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Hell is such a holy place Where they rip your flesh and erase your face The sinner's soul is cleaned With the acid rinse of kerosene Just a promise of flight On wings too singed To scale the night Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Copyright (c) 2000, Anne Sandstrom - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Running into Dykes NJC - --- catman wrote: > up the road there is a club called > The King's Dyke > Club! I'll probably regret asking this, but that has never stopped me before... Just what do they do at this club, pray tell? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) - --- Don Rowe wrote: > Personally -- it was Richard's arrangements of The > Carpenters songs that I always considered "sweet and > pretty." What with the ubiquitous OK Chorale, > gratuitous harp glissandos, vibraphone contapointes > and a velveteen cloak of strings -- all going on at > once no less! > Say what?? I always wondered what the purpose of Richard was... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:53:41 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Feedback on "Creative Writing" Hi Alan, Harper Lou here, responding to your request for feedback on your web site. Very interesting concept -- using Joni's work to teach people how to respond creatively to the things around them. The Joni content is wonderful, with an excellent selection of examples of writing elements such as metaphors, similes and such. Your lessons are well presented. The graphics are superb. Movement through the site is easy. Obviously, you have worked hard on it, and I think it will be an admirable course when complete. I do have one fairly strong criticism, though. As a professional writer and teacher, I am disappointed with the writing on the course itself. You spent a lot of time planning, designing and publishing. Your effort deserves a bit more time proofreading and re-reading what you wrote. Your lessons promote creative thinking, but don't truly display good creative writing. If you are serious about publishing a "course," I would recommend editing your own writing more carefully. There are quite a few misspellings. Far too many for a serious writing course. Some writing on the lessons is not good. Passive voice predominates, and some sentences are overly wordy. For example, you write: One of the explanations given for "Barangrill" is that it is a metaphor for the waitress' life. Look for instances such as "is that it is." Creative writing requires powerful words -- concise, active, clear, direct. The same sentence: "Barangrill can be perceived as a metaphor for the waitress's life." Remember, you are writing a "course" on how to create other forms of writing. That means you must use more standard English, even though the creative writing itself can ramble. As a teacher, you must set an example. Here's another example that diminishes the "course." I haven't the foggiest notion what this sentence means: Yet another theme about patterns and meaning: trails, hexagram strings, scrambles, really know, geometric, etc. The course writing needs to communicate clearly. Writing encompasses many different freestyle forms of expression, such as poetry and free verse which have no rules. Songwriters almost have to eschew rules and conventions. So you may think that I'm being a bit strict. If that's the case, though, I would recommend changing the course to "Creative Songwriting" or "Creative Poetry Writing." Most song lyrics don't even stand up to good reading. Joni Mitchell is an exception -- virtually every word she writes packs a whallop. Her lyrics make a direct point, which is especially rare for a popular songwriter. She makes it sound good AND look good on paper. As soon as you label something "Creative Writing," you enter the field of the world's most gifted creative writers. Good prose requires a little more structure. And some editing for clarity. When you create poetry, there are no rules. But a "course" in Creative Writing needs to be well written, first and foremost.. Don't misunderstand -- you have a great model and a beautifully insightful idea. In my opinion, it just needs a little more polish. Proofreading your own work is difficult, especially when you're also working on web design. Perhaps another pair of eyes would help. Or, you could print the text and read it aloud. Also, remember, Alan, that I'm one of the old fogeys who mourns the deterioration of our beautiful written language. For decades, I had problems with "thru," now I have to endure audacities such as "str8" and Prince's "4 U." So please, while you're promoting good creative writing, don't also help promote the virtual decline of literacy! Oh, and keep up the good work! Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:56:11 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: tori amos (NJC) i never really cared much for tori amos. She is talented, i think, but for some reason i just never liked her music enough to buy it, or leave it on the radio. BUT.... there is one tori song that i liked, and i think it was off a newer cd that my old roommate had. i used to get into arguements with her and she'd get really offended and angry ...saying "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE HER?" she'd say i haven't REALLY listened to her enough. well,to that, i have, b/c she was always playing all of her tori cd's. that's ok though. i'm sure everyone doesn't go all crazy for arlo guthrie either. hehe - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:58:50 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) Hi Bob! Wanted to let you know that I have a lead on a copy of the Mabel Mercer cover of BSN--I'll keep you posted! Stephen (thinking will it have to be onto Jim Nabors next :-D ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama ZZScotty@aol.com wrote: > Hear, hear Pat. (Did I get that right, Catman?) I have no idea. Maybe it's here here. The only people I hear saying it are those pratts in the Commons or the Lords. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:05:42 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Tommy (the movie) (NJC) I was just flipping through the TV Guide and noticed that Ken Russell's film version of The Who's Tommy will be shown on the Bravo! channel tonight at 8 PM EDT. TV Guide gives it three stars. I saw it once, in a theatre when it was first released, and it was quite good. The stars listed in the TV Guide snippet are Ann-Margaret (Tommy's mother), Roger Daltry (Tommy), Elton John (the Pinball Wizard), Keith Moon (Uncle Ernie, I believe), Eric Clapton (role?), and the recently-deceased Oliver Reed (role?). I also recall that Tina Turner does a show-stopping turn as "The Acid Queen." FYI. "Boston Jim" NP: Joni, w/JT 1970, "California" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:14 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------598AF186C540162F281211FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Don referred to Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style." >Then David claimed that the authors were "gratuitously condescending and >disingenuous." >Finally, Patricia came to the rescue, defending our heroes of the succinct >use of English. >Hear, hear Pat. (Did I get that right, Catman?) 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Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------598AF186C540162F281211FA-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:06:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Running into Dykes NJC I think it is a Men'sclub of some sort. probably darts or bowls. It is likely to be a working man's club. Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- catman wrote: > > up the road there is a club called > > The King's Dyke > > Club! > > I'll probably regret asking this, but that has never > stopped me before... > > Just what do they do at this club, pray tell? > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:27:46 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: careers (VLJC) you know, i never really could get into tori, in fact her whole image, the whole album that seemed to be focused on her attack & rape. just kind of put me off, i guess. i had the little earthquakes album for a year before i really listened to it. then, she hit me like a ton of bricks. for anyone who has never really listened to her, her lyrics are brilliant! she uses her voice to express emotion so well, it's truly unique. i am a VERY big fan, now, although little earthquakes is still my fav. shes another very powerful performer-totally different from but akin to ani difranco. alison e. np: tori-to venus and back (live is amazing!!!) - ---------- >From: Bounced Message >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: careers (VLJC) >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 1:30 PM > >From: "Yael Harlap" >Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:26:54 GMT > >Hello! I can't believe that of all the amazing artists and careers people >have mentioned so far, NO ONE has listed Tori Amos!! I realize her "career" >hasn't been that long, yet, but then again, neither has mine (I'm 25) so I >figure that's ok. > >Tori is my absolute favorite and I have lots and lots of CDs and singles and >all sorts of goodies of hers. Her cover of A Case of You is what got me into >Joni (so yes, I realize I am a recent addition to the Joni fanbase!). So >even though Tori has only put out 5 albums (excluding the horrific big-hair >80's pop album Y Kant Tori Read), she has morphed and changed with every >album, moving from the personal diary of Little Earthquakes to the >impressionistic (as she labeled it) Under the Pink, to the confrontational >and dark Boys For Pele, to the experimental and electronic-influenced From >the Choirgirl Hotel, to the most recent album To Venus and Back. I have a >weakness for her earliest stuff but I love the changes (at least better than >I used to do) - it gets so dull when artists don't allow themselves >fluidity. > >And her concerts are spectacularly intimate - even when she is backed by a >full band. If she ever tours again solo with the piano, run, don't walk, to >the show. > >Cheers, >Yael > >yharlap@channelsinternet.com >yaelha@hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:48:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music favorites part two Yes the Beatles should have been on my list, their song diversity is astounding. The other top favorite band of mine is Dire Straits. And Mark Knopfler's soundtracks too- anything MK. For those of you who love Jonatha Brooke and Patty Larkin, which record of each do you recommend? Have heard about Patty and saw Jonatha live and loved her songs. Thanks. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:57:58 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: music favorites part two oh, oh, i'll take this one!!! jonatha brooke-plumb the ultimate breakup album! it's a must have, with some of her most personal and gut wrenching songs. i'd start there. 10¢ wings is also very good. she has a live album, too, just called jonatha brooke live. as far as patty larkin goes, well any album is good. "live in the square" is a good introduction, "tango" is pure patty and has some amazing guitar work (all her albums do, really). i'd start with either of those two. also, some little-heard-of male contemporary folk favorites: ellis paul and richard shindell (of Cry Cry Cry). his new album "somewhere near patterson" is incredible. alison e. - ---------- >From: "Kate Bennett" >To: >Subject: music favorites part two >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 2:48 PM > >Yes the Beatles should have been on my list, their song diversity is >astounding. The other top favorite band of mine is Dire Straits. And Mark >Knopfler's soundtracks too- anything MK. > >For those of you who love Jonatha Brooke and Patty Larkin, which record of >each do you recommend? Have heard about Patty and saw Jonatha live and loved >her songs. Thanks. > >Kate Bennett >Singer/Songwriter >email kate@katebennett.com >website www.katebennett.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:50 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: careers From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:27 -0700 Oh if you are talking about careers, I think David Crosby and Neil Young have Amazing Careers, int terms of longevity and vitality. Similar to Joni in that way. NY because he has just never stopped. When my teenager son went to a music festival a few years back, NY was his favorite artist of them all. I think all of the other artists were from the 90s decade, except Neil who apparently blew them all away. David Crosby (who says Joni is the best songwriter of all time and of course he was her first producer) who has gone from the Byrds to CSN & Y, and now has a great new band CPR. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:11:51 -0500 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: ISO Simon sorry for use of bandwidth Simon, urgently trying to reach you. Sent an Email but it seemed not to work. Please advise how to reach you. this is time sensitive thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:50:13 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: TNT Tribute - can anyone make a copy? Joniphiles - Is there anyone out there that can spin a copy of the TNT tribute for my off-list friend Jan? If so, please contact her at to make arrangements. Thanks! Les NP: Dylan "Slow Train Coming" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:00:20 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: music favorites part two (Patty Larkin NJC) Hi Alison, Alison Einerson wrote: > as far as patty larkin goes, well any album is good. "live in the square" is > a good introduction, "tango" is pure patty and has some amazing guitar work > (all her albums do, really). i'd start with either of those two. Oooh, you've reminded me about Patty Larkin.......see, a couple of her songs are featured in the movie Sliding Doors, from two years back. It's one of my all-time favourite films, so I've seen it quite a few times, but the accompanying soundtrack CD doesn't include either track. I really love them - one is called something like "Tenderness On The Block" - but here in the UK I can never find any Patty Larkin albums. I actually thought "Tenderness..." was a previously unreleased track by Scottish band Texas at first! Which album of hers is this track from? If I at least know the title, I can try and track down a copy somehow, somewhere.... Thanks! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:20:36 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) hi jason! i think you might be confusing patty with shawn colvin..she did a cover of "tenderness on the block' which is actually someone else's song whose name i can't place right now... anyhow, it appeared on her "cover girl" album of a few years ago. i don't remember any patty larkin songs in sliding doors (great movie!) i could be wrong about that. i can't think of a patty song that has the word tenderness in it, but i'll go home tonight and look through them and see if i can come up with what you might be thinking of. take care, alison - ---------- >From: Jason Maloney >To: Alison Einerson , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: music favorites part two (Patty Larkin NJC) >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 4:00 PM > >Hi Alison, > >Alison Einerson wrote: > >> as far as patty larkin goes, well any album is good. "live in the square" is >> a good introduction, "tango" is pure patty and has some amazing guitar work >> (all her albums do, really). i'd start with either of those two. > >Oooh, you've reminded me about Patty Larkin.......see, a couple of her songs are >featured in the movie Sliding Doors, from two years back. It's one of my all-time >favourite films, so I've seen it quite a few times, but the accompanying >soundtrack CD doesn't include either track. > >I really love them - one is called something like "Tenderness On The Block" - but >here in the UK I can never find any Patty Larkin albums. I actually thought >"Tenderness..." was a previously unreleased track by Scottish band Texas at >first! > >Which album of hers is this track from? If I at least know the title, I can try >and track down a copy somehow, somewhere.... > >Thanks! > >Jason. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:19:30 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Favorite careers (NJC) From: "kerry" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:21:37 -0500 Mark writes: <> Mark, There are no rules!! When it comes to music, you like what you like! I think the variety of music that Joni fans like is really interesting and amazing. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:29:59 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: BSN covered Bob, no problem.... i'll send that Hole song off to you! But don't say i don't warn you!!! >- - whatever would Doris Day think of sharing CD space with Hole! LOL! Hehe, i'm SURE she'd love Hole!! Courtney is soooo sweet and nice (and articulate, and clean- in the literal sense) Just let me know where to send it:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:36:47 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Running into dykes (NJC) catman wrote: <<>> There are worse things to run into!!!!! (Like Jerry Falwell!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:40:02 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (njc) evian wrote: > Well, I won't be able to remember all of them, but the people whose > albums I always buy the minute they are released are: > > 2. Stevie Nicks -- My first love, I've been listening to her since I > was 8. Although some people think she's full of shit, I really don't > think they are listening, and are instead just feeding off the image and > a few songs. I mean, it doesn't get much better than "That's Allright" > from Mirage and "Some Become Strangers" from Rock a Little. Her last > two solo albums kinda... well, to me, they were disappointing, but I've > gotta have everything of hers, it's an addiction: "Hello, my name is > Rob, and I am a Stevie, the goddess of love, addict. It's been 14 days > since I last twirled. ROFL!!! Well, I'm not that far gone, but Stevie is....umm, just Stevie I guess. She's a one-off. I love her contributions to Fleetwood Mac's golden period from 1976-1982 (Gypsy, Sara, Storms, Beautiful Child, Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman etc etc etc), while The Wild Heart and Rock A Little are both magnificent. I agree with you, evian, that her last coupla albums maybe weren't quite up to scratch overall, but for those golden years alone she will always be worthy of my attention. > 4.) Fleetwood Mac -- Again, gotta have all of it, in every form the > group has even taken. I'm pretty much the same, except for the early Blues stuff. My FM collection does include that era (I have The Chain 25th Anniversary 4-CD set), but I usually skip those tracks (save for some of the hits!). Jeez, I must have the Rumours/Tusk songs four times over on different formats and collections! I would name the Buckingham/Nicks *axis* among my Top 10 "careers", in fact. Lindsey is one of the greats, IMHO, although agonisingly infrequent with his releases. The Mac still put out some decent albums without Lindsey & Stevie, but for me they gave the whole operation an extra dynamic and dimension. > 9.) Prince -- Haven't bought anything of his since Emancipation (who > can keep up) but still haven't given up on him. Man, you have more faith than I! I dunno.....maybe if some of the more recent albums go to "mid-price" then I could take a gamble, otherwise I may never get to hear them. > 10.) Hole -- Yeah Yeah Yeah, I know everyone here hates Courtney Love, > but I mean, give Celeb. Skin a chance -- It really is the album I listen > to more than anything else. So, I seek out anything of theirs that I > can find, even the old, recently dregged up crap. Now, this is an album I *must* listen to sometime! I keep meaning to, but I never find it at the right price (what *is* the right price anyway?). You have made me even *more* curious now! I don't know any Hole tracks. > And you know, there are a ton of others. Tell me about it!!! ;o) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:42:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) In a message dated 5/10/00 2:01:48 PM US Central Standard Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << Wanted to let you know that I have a lead on a copy of the Mabel Mercer cover of BSN--I'll keep you posted! >> Excellent work, Captain Stephen...now go in for the kill - like they say, a JMDL'er always gets their Cover! :-) Bob NP: Brian Blade, "Evinrude-Fifty (Trembling)" Frickin' excellent! And btw, here's Brian's note to Joni in the liner notes: "To Joni - Here's to Cowboys and Angels on Highway 1 - Shine on your witness. My Love Always" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:35:44 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Running into Dykes NJC What about the Black Dyke Mills Band? I believe they were at Glastonbury in 1992. I couldn't tell you about them, must be the hash cakes at the time.... Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: catman To: Catherine McKay Cc: Lori R. Fye ; Sent: 10 May 2000 21:06 Subject: Re: Running into Dykes NJC > I think it is a Men'sclub of some sort. probably darts or bowls. It is > likely to be a working man's club. > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > --- catman wrote: > > > up the road there is a club called > > > The King's Dyke > > > Club! > > > > I'll probably regret asking this, but that has never > > stopped me before... > > > > Just what do they do at this club, pray tell? > > > > ===== > > Catherine (in Toronto) > > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:38:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The JMDL SIGN Brian wrote: > I think lap-sized signs are probably more appropriate for inside the concert venues. Before the show >starts, if we jmdlers hold up our signs, we will be easily identified to each other. And for those of us >second-row occupants, Joni will also be able to identify us during the show. I have the sense it's going to be a fancy deal at the Greek so signs may not be a good idea in this instance. (Don't want to bring any undue attention to ourselves, ahem, plus we will also be busy holding large boxes of Kleenex ;-) I feel Joni will know we are there - we will be the ones making the most raving and gushing noises ;-) Many of the L.A. show jmdlers either know each other already, or will be meeting at a big party beforehand, but if there are any more out there going to the show who would like to meet up or see our seat locations, please let me know. >I'm not sure what the story is with the first row seats. When the ticket window opened, the first >person to buy was assigned second row seats. Is the first row held out for VIPs? Or left empty? Or >for the press? You are lucky they only take one row there - here it will be one entire front section of them!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:48:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) In a message dated 5/10/00 4:12:48 PM US Central Standard Time, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << she did a cover of "tenderness on the block' which is actually someone else's song whose name i can't place right now... >> Warren Zevon, from his most excellent record, "Excitable Boy"... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:50:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: music favorites part two NJC, In a message dated 5/10/00 2:50:28 PM US Central Standard Time, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << oh, oh, i'll take this one!!! jonatha brooke-plumb >> Oh, Oh, I'll second that one...an AMAZING record from start to finish, buy it - - well, what are you waiting for? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:01:37 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:Favorite Careers NJC I hope i'm not too late to jump on this bandwagon. besides Joini wo ho do i love? Well, in no particular order (i'm not that organised) My traditional diva is probably Janet Jackson. this is a sentimental connection as much as anything else- my first CD was her album Janet, which i still consider one of the best summer albums. wheter she's cranking out eighties pop, or nineties r'n'b (as they call it) she's a beaut. Then there's Bob Dylan. need i say anymore?? Simon and Garfunkel. truly splendid. tracks like America, The Boxer, Only Living Boy in New York, and Homeward Bound prove that something sublime ws happeneing. later, Paul Simon on his own impressed me greatly- Mohter and Child Reunion, Me and Julio...., Kodachrome, you get the picture. R.E.M. are definitely my idea of musical beauty. i consider myself a long time fan, and it's Monster that i really adore....Tongue, You, Whats the frequency Kenneth. as if Nightswimming or World Leader Pretend didn't place them way up top!! Cher- i like the music, but it's the woman that i really love. She's fun. i think that if her message is anything it's this; no matter how many people hate you, no matter how crappy everything seems just keep struggling on and at some pointhe wheel of fortune will turn and put you back at the top!! Believe era is interesting, but doesn't beat the Sonny and Cher dynamic, nor seventies Cher. all time best track- Walking IN Memphis- her delivery is impeccable. not a bad actress eihter. Joan Osbourne deserves special mention here. her strong, throaty vocals, catchy tunes, and loud music make this one unmissable to me. Relish is great. every track on there gets me singing along. going back though, i find that her earlier work is equally as thrilling- Get Up Jack, What You Gonna Do, and her live version of Son of a Pracher Man! her presence certainly endears her to me. Diana Ross- a good voice, great songs, and big hair! what more could you need? Hole- Evian you're not alone! I've loved Courtney and hole since before Kurt died!! they hit their peak wiht Live Through This (Doll Parts, and Miss World). though i must admit a certain affinity for the more radio friendly Celebrity Skin album!!! however, their destrucion of BSN (called Clouds) is almost unforgiveable!!!!! Alanis- major obsession two years back. the latest album far surpassed Jagged Little Pill creatively. Blondie- Debbie, Debbie,Debbie...Clem, Chris and all the rest!! Maria to Picture this to Dreaming. pure pop at its best!!!!! And who'd forget Fleetwood Mac. though i loved the Spencer/Kirwan/green years (man of the world, the green manalishi), its Steive and Lyndsey that get me going!! Divine Comedy, David Gray, Paddy Casey, Bjork, Jewel,FionaApple, Tori Amos, RADOIHEAD (British perfecton!!!!!!!!), Smashing Pumpkins, Jeff Buckley, Texas,.all deserve to be mentioned, and i know that i'm probably leaving out someone major. GARRET Madonna- Human Nature Ok, so i didnt mention Placebo- one of the most innovative and original rock bands that i've heard. the middle of Nancy Boy is their best moment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:58:46 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: anne's lyrics...njc <> I'm so glad you did Anne, as with the others lyrics you've shared with us along the way, I love them....so beautiful and meaningful. hugs to you! (and lots of light too) mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:07:16 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) music slut to the rescue!!! thanks, bob. ol' warren doesn't deserve to be forgotten... alison e. - ---------- >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: alisone@kirkhams.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 4:48 PM > >In a message dated 5/10/00 4:12:48 PM US Central Standard Time, >alisone@kirkhams.com writes: > ><< she did a cover of > "tenderness on the block' which is actually someone else's song whose name i > can't place right now... >> > >Warren Zevon, from his most excellent record, "Excitable Boy"... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:03:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Please Help ! (SJC) In a message dated 5/9/00 2:50:21 AM US Central Standard Time, alorimer@tassie.net.au writes: << Just spend ten minutes or so playing with it and see what you think. >> OK, Alan, I finally got around to it...you did a nice job. Like Harper Lou said, you need to go in and police those grammar and misspelled gremlins, like "throught" instead of "throughout"...but the site was easily navigable. At first I thought "Close This Book" would shut down the site, until I did it and found that it returned you to home. I would suggest changing that to "Home". The lessons all looked to be very interesting - surprising to me that you include nothing from DJRD or Mingus, which are wildly creative... Anyway, I enjoyed seeing your work - you did a nice job! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:00:02 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Creative Writing Project (SJC) Just a few notes on some of the feedback I've received. - - This is just a *concept*. Despite some excellent input and help from fellow JMDL members, there is a serious lack of content for the 'lessons'. - - I've just re-read the lessons and had another serious go at getting all the spelling right. (Just found assignment, portrayal, magdalene, against, journalistic, desperate and internally spelt incorrectly) - - Thanks for all the positive feedback on the graphics and navigation through the site. - - Some of the graphics files are fairly large and take a fair bit of computing power to handle properly. I noticed myself that using FTP to transfer nearly 200 files to a Server on the other side of the world through a modem takes a fair bit of time! Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:08:56 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: patty larkin/tenderness on the block (njc) Psst...Uncle Bob! ;-) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << she did a cover of "tenderness on the block' which is actually someone > else's song whose name i can't place right now... >> > > Warren Zevon, from his most excellent record, "Excitable Boy"... Wow, the plot thickens. I have a couple of Warren Zevon CDs from the early 90s (Mr Bad Example, in particular, is brilliant). Is Excitable Boy a more recent release? Looks like yet another CD I need to get... ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:12:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Running into dykes (NJC) kerry wrote: > > catman wrote: > << the title'running into dykes'. I wrote the mail before I chose the > title.>>> > > There are worse things to run into!!!!! (Like Jerry Falwell!) If only I had the opportunity. I was most upset when he laid into my friend, the purple Teletubbie. > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:19:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (njc) Well, this won't surprise anyone, but since one or two of us old-timers have chimed in, I might as well do the same, especially since very few of mine have had much mention. In no order whatsoever: Sam Cooke: What a voice, and a heckuva good songwriter to boot! The way he bent notes and emoted gives me chills every time, and his "Change is Gonna Come" was WAYYY ahead of its time. Led Zeppelin: Every time I hear one of their crunchers, it immediately takes me back to wherever I was the first time I heard it...these guys played in every style there was, and killed in all. Tom Waits: One of the best songwriters around, has surpassed Joni imo as she has been on hiatus for awhile. He can break your heart and your funny bone in the same song. A true original - an acquired taste, to be sure, but once acquired, man it's nice! XTC: Starting as British Power Pop in the seventies, but always with a cutting melodic, rhythmic, and lyrical sense, XTC always challenges & delights me in the same way Joni does. Their songs run the gamut from heavy political opinion to the simple joys of working in one's shed. Another lister recently told me that "Apple Venus Vol. 1" is simply one of the best records made, ever. While I agree with him, it's still ony my 3rd or 4th fave from them, and AV2 is out in a couple weeks! Bruce Springsteen: The hardest working blue-collar rocker turned Woody Guthrie of our generation. He can write an anthem for a generation the way you or I write a thank-you note. One of the few rockers to mature and let us share the "growing up" process, from being a restless high schooler out on the backstreets to being a parent and a responsible citizen of the planet. Elvis Costello: Again, like Joni, his songwriting talents are simply amazing! He has grown and explored genre after genre, some with more success than others, but never satisfied to repeat himself. Obviously, there's a slew of others, but these are the ones that will draw me to the record store the day their new stuff comes out... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:58:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Careers - njc Speaking of piano men, when I was watching Win Ben Stein's Money > the other night, there was a question about a jazz pianist who got his start > at a Jazz at the Philharmonic concert at Carnegie Hall and formed a trio > with Herb Ellis...no one could answer the question. The answer was Oscar > Peterson and Ben had never heard of him. His exact quote was "I've never > even heard of him. That was a really hard one". I wouldn't have known the answer but as a collector of all things Holiday, I know very well that he was a wonderful pianist who played on many of Billie's sessions for Verve in the 50s. Boston Jim, I will get to a response to your email about Billie soon, I promise. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:03:13 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Covers Project Bob, I've just opened up the box of CDs you sent me and I am blown away by the effort you've put into this! I'm waiting until tomorrow to listen, loudly, to these during the day when my apartment-house neighbors are all at work, but out of curiosity opened up one of the jewel cases to see the actual CD. What a surprise! It was so pretty, I had to look at them all. How did you print directly onto the CD? And I love the painting on Volume I. Who did that? I don't remember mention of it on the list, ever. And to go to the trouble of putting labels even on the skinny side edges, well, I am mightily impressed (a southernism if I remember correctly). :-) So, thank you, very much. This is truly a gift of love. I have a concern though, one that you may already have thought of and that's already been discussed thoroughly with Les or Jim or even on the list (I'm hundreds of messages behind). It's this: the fact that these recordings are NOT FOR SALE isn't written anywhere on the packages or on the CDs. I think it should be, all over the place, maybe as a border on the front insert and especially directly onto the CD itself. Your name is not on them so there's some protection in that, but it doesn't seem like enough. We all know what these CDs are for, a sharing among Joni fans, but my thinking is, Who knows where these may end up 5, 7, whatever years from now? All it would take is one artist rep or lawyer wondering about their client not getting paid for this recording. There are so many artists on these CDs, that's a lot of eyes. Right now we also know there will be only a few hundred copies, but that may make them even more valuable years from now. Didn't something Catgirl record for somebody already end up on e-bay? At least with NOT FOR SALE (beautifully done design-wise, of course :-) all over these CDs, it would be clear no money was meant to be made from these by anyone. I would truly hate to see your generous gift be a cause of trouble for you or anyone else later down the road. Let me know what you think, privately if you wish, and if you need help redoing and remailing inserts to everyone that's already received these, I'm willing (now, you know I'm really serious in my concern about this). And if you've figured all this out already or there's no need to be concerned about this for reasons I'm not aware of, I'm curious about that too. And tomorrow, I get to listen to all this great music! Thank you thank you thank you. I'll let you know my favorites. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:06:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Deep Dreaming njc > Ann, I think this is one of your best yet. There is some very powerful, > albeit sinister imagery; rather reminds me of Sylvia Plath in places. Glad > you broke your cardinal rule and shared it with us before you had a chance to > edit it down. I think it's brilliant. > Bern > > > DEEP DREAMING Just have to post a 'me too' on this one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:16:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: careers (VLJC) > you know, i never really could get into tori, in fact her whole image, the > whole album that seemed to be focused on her attack & rape. just kind of put > me off, i guess. i had the little earthquakes album for a year before i > really listened to it. then, she hit me like a ton of bricks. for anyone who > has never really listened to her, her lyrics are brilliant! she uses her > voice to express emotion so well, it's truly unique. i am a VERY big fan, > now, although little earthquakes is still my fav. shes another very powerful > performer-totally different from but akin to ani difranco. Somebody gave me a tape that had some of Tori's music on it. Some of the songs were 'God', 'Past the Mission', 'Cornflake Girl' and one that starts out 'Wake up, Mr. Microphone.' I thought she was interesting, nice voice & piano playing but I couldn't figure out what the hell the lyrics were supposed to be about most of the time. I do think 'God' is a hoot. I love the lines 'God sometimes you just don't come through/Do you need a woman to look after you?' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:57:33 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Wynonna loves Joni My apologies if this has been mentioned already. I've been necessarily using my delete key a lot lately. A friend of mine who was actually with me when I met Joni the first time called me last night. My friend happens to be into country music. I love her anyway. She said she was watching a Wynonna Judd Special on TV recently and Wynonna sang a couple of Joni's songs and during the intro went on and on about how wonderful Joni Mitchell was and how she loved her. Did anyone else see this? Any closet country music fans out there on the list? ; - ) My friend said she thought of me immediately, and the day I met Joni. She went to work the next day and told her co-workers about it and was all teary eyed, as she had been that day. Aaaah, friends... memories....and more to come... Phyliss, looking forward to Friday in L.A. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #245 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?